2nd, 3rd cousins? Removed?

ke...@globalnet.co.uk

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Oct 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/7/96

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An easy way to define cousins; cousins (or first cousins) have
grandparents in common, 2nd cousins have greatgrandparents in common,
3rd cousins have great-great grandparents in common, and so on, and so
on.
Removed defines the generations, ie my mothers cousin is my cousin
once removed, my grandmothers cousin is my cousin twice removed, my
grandmothers 2nd cousin is my 2nd cousin twice removed, etc.

ke...@globalnet.co.uk

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From: ke...@globalnet.co.uk
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 18:47:47 GMT

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Richard Pownall

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96

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ke...@globalnet.co.uk wrote:

>Removed defines the generations, ie my mothers cousin is my cousin
>once removed, my grandmothers cousin is my cousin twice removed, my
>grandmothers 2nd cousin is my 2nd cousin twice removed, etc.

Ah, but at which level do you count the cousins?

Using your example, your mother's cousin is also your 2nd cousin's
parent, and thus could also be your 2nd cousin once removed.

I would guess the answer ought to be at the highest level (which
therefore produces the nearest cousin), but is that the case? And what
distinguishes your 2nd cousin's son (2nd cousin once removed) from
your father's 2nd cousin (also 2nd cousin once removed)?

Richard Pownall

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96

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From: rpow...@dp.powernet.co.uk (Richard Pownall)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:52:33 GMT

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Phil Marris

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Oct 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/9/96

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Richard Pownall (rpow...@dp.powernet.co.uk) wrote:

: ke...@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
:
: >Removed defines the generations, ie my mothers cousin is my cousin
: >once removed, my grandmothers cousin is my cousin twice removed, my
: >grandmothers 2nd cousin is my 2nd cousin twice removed, etc.
:
: Ah, but at which level do you count the cousins?
: Using your example, your mother's cousin is also your 2nd cousin's
: parent, and thus could also be your 2nd cousin once removed.

Although true that "your mother's cousin is also your 2nd cousin's
parent", it does not follow that "your mother's cousin ... could also
be your 2nd cousin once removed". Whether you and someone else are
1st or 2nd cousins depends *only* on the number of intervening
generations between the two of you and your most recent common ancestor.
In the event that the number of generations is different, it is the
one of you who is nearest (generation-wise) to the common ancestor
who defines whether the two of you are 1st, 2nd etc cousins. Then,
it is simply the difference in generations which defines the
"removedness". (I think that's right.)

Phil Marris

ke...@globalnet.co.uk

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Oct 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/11/96

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Yes Phil, that's what i was "trying" to explain!!!
Thanks

ke...@globalnet.co.uk

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Oct 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/12/96

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Richard,
My mothers cousin would be my cousin once removed, her cousin's child
would be my second cousin as we would have great grandparents in
common. My mothers cousin could not be my second cousin once removed,
as she would not be my mothers second cousin

piglet

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Oct 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/16/96

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Richard Pownall wrote:

> I would guess the answer ought to be at the highest level (which
> therefore produces the nearest cousin), but is that the case?

Yes.

> And what
> distinguishes your 2nd cousin's son (2nd cousin once removed) from
> your father's 2nd cousin (also 2nd cousin once removed)?

In other words, can you tell what kind of second cousin once removed a
person is just from the term? No.

megan

ke...@globalnet.co.uk

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Oct 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/20/96

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An easy way to define cousins; cousins (or first cousins) have
grandparents in common, 2nd cousins have greatgrandparents in common,
3rd cousins have great-great grandparents in common, and so on, and so
on.

Removed defines the generations, ie my mothers cousin is my cousin

once removed, my grandmothers cousin is my cousin twice removed, my
grandmothers 2nd cousin is my 2nd cousin twice removed, etc.

Also it has to be remembered that removed works both ways ie, my
mothers cousin is my cousin once removed, and also I am their cousin
once removed. This means that these are two possible relationships
depending on which cousin you chose eg. What relationship is the son
of a cousin once removed? My mothers cousin is my cousin once
removed, s/he is to my son cousin twice removed, but the child of my
mothers cousin who remember is my cousin once removed, is my second
cousin.