BACK TO ADAM [BACK TO THE FUTURE]
Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr.
correctly defines genealogy as:
1. A record or table of the descent of a family group
or person from an ancestor or ancestors.
QUESTION: Is the lineage of Adam and Eve valid for
consideration as an authentic pedigree in genealogical
research, as the ancestor for descent of the human
family group?
ANSWER:
From a Mormon [LDS] standpoint, in The Articles of Faith,
#8. "We believe in the Bible to be the word of God as far
as it is translated correctly." Selections from the Book of
Moses and Abraham, independent of the Bible, are published
as The Pearl of Great Price. In said latter documents, mention is
made that God said: "And the first man of all men have I [God]
called Adam, which is many." According to said reference,
Chapter 5 of Moses in The Pearl of Great Price, #2,
"And Adam knew his wife, and she bare unto him sons
and daughters, and they began to multiply and to replenish
the earth." Verse #3 states: And from that time forth,
the sons and daughters of Adam began to divide two and two
in the land, and to till the land and to tend flocks, and they
also begat sons and daughters." Verse #12 states: "And
Adam and Eve blessed the name of God, and they made
all things known unto their sons and their daughters."
THEN, WAY DOWN IN VERSE #16 and #17,
mention is made " . . . And Adam knew Eve his wife,
and she conceived and bare Cain . . . And she again
conceived and bare his brother Abel . . ."
So, according to this record there were numerous
children that were born before Cain and Abel came
along. Their posterity also had children, with no laws
against inter family marriages, before Cain and Abel
were born. Then, using the Biblical chronology
and relying on the Biblical account:
"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and
begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called
his name Seth."
According to the public, published LDS [Mormon] records,
from the Doctrine and Covenants, ADAM-ONDI-AHMAN,
is a geographic location, where three years previous to
Adam's death, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel,
Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah. According to Section 116
of said Doctrine and Covenants, Spring Hill is named by
the Lord: Adam-ondi-Ahman, because, said He, it is the
place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the
Ancient of Days shall sit, as spoken of by Daniel the
prophet. Spring Hill is in Daviess County, Missouri, USA.
All these records were quoted to show that according to
the LDS [Mormon] standpoint, [from public records to
be published unto all people upon all the face of the earth],
there is from a genealogical standpoint, MANY confirming
evidences as to the validity of the original ancestor, including
dates [years given], places or geographic locations, family
connections and personal relationships, as well as family
histories. These family histories even include the most
intimate and personal Patriarchal Blessings, such as those
given to the sons of Israel, as recorded in the Bible.
This IS a Family Genealogy to believing Mormons.
What is missing is subsequent connections. However,
according to another LDS record, The Book of Mormon,
circa 600 B.C., a man by the name of Laban, in the City
of Jerusalem, had a record of the Jews and a genealogy
of their forefathers, "and they are engraven upon the plates
of brass." This suggests to the Mormon, or LDS mind, that
a valid genealogical record of descent for the Jews was kept
down to at least the time of 600 B.C. Modern secular records
are available from this period forward to validate the general
descent of mankind and nations in general. However, to my
best knowledge, the connective relationships are not available.
Therefore, they cannot be used as such and do not pass the
professional genealogical standards of credibility.
Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/geneal.htm
Listed in: Who's Who In The West, 1998/1999
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry,
[both editions]
RSy2717
>
>The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
>correctly defines genealogy as:
>1. A record or table of the descent of a family group
>or person from an ancestor or ancestors.
>
>QUESTION: Is the lineage of Adam and Eve valid for
>consideration as an authentic pedigree in genealogical
>research, as the ancestor for descent of the human
>family group?
>
>ANSWER:
>From a Mormon [LDS] standpoint, in The Articles of Faith,
Even from a Christian or Orthodox Jewish standpoint the genealogies of the OT
are valid. The ancient Jews kept accurate records of genealogy as part of
their faith. These records were part of the temple records which,
unfortunately, were destroyed by the Roman General Titus in 70AD. The problem
is not with the existing genealogies of the Bible, but rather making the
connection, with certainty through the dark ages to ancient times to the few
genealogies that are recorded there.
Even if the Temple records were somehow saved from the destruction (like the
Dead Sea Scrolls) and some day turn up in an archeological excavation, they
would only be helpful to those of Jewish ancestry.
To those of Anglo-Saxon ancestory there are some ancient records from the AS
kings of Britain that were unearthed. A review of those records can be found
in an article in Ex Nihilo Technical Journal, Vol 5 1991, "The Early History
of Man - Part 2" by. Bill Cooper.
Address of Publisher: P. O. Box 710039, Santee, CA 92072
Bob S
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LADM
descended from Adam and Eve. Incest is wrong. How did they get past
Adam and Eve's kids?
Lauré
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So many interests, so little time.
All opinions welcome, even opposing opinions
Jim
> descended from Adam and Eve. Incest is wrong. How did they get past
> Adam and Eve's kids?
> Lauré
Is it possible that Adam and Eve weren't the "first" humans but simply the
first of a "chosen" people?
Biblical dates I've seen place Adam and Eve about 4,000BC. Doesn't Chinese
history go back about 10,000 years?
Personally, I don't think the land of Nod(?) (where Cain went and "took a
wife") was populated by his brothers and sisters.
If Adam and Eve were the first humans or there was a major disaster and a
brother and sister were the only survivors, would survival of the species be
"wrong"? Doesn't "purpose" often determine "right" or "wrong"?
More recently, about 2,000BC, if one tries to strictly interpret the Bible,
we all came from Noah.
Sincerely,
Jim
Steven Mix
Jim wrote in message <93481331...@proxy3.bigplanet.com>...
>More recently, about 2,000BC, if one tries to strictly interpret the Bible,
>we all came from Noah.
>Sincerely,
>Jim
True, except that Noah's sons also had tickets on the boat,
and were married to unrelated spouses. I imagine that Noah's
grandchildren then would all have to have married first
cousins.
The Bible Flood story of Noah is likely a direct borrowing of
the Greek mythology about Deucalion. Here is the Greek
story, from Microsoft Encarta 98:
"Deucalion was king of Phthia in Thessaly when the god Zeus, because of the
wicked ways of the human race, destroyed them by flood. For nine days and
nights Zeus sent torrents of rain. Only Deucalion and his wife, Pyrrha,
survived drowning. They were saved because they were the only people who had
led good lives and remained faithful to the laws of the gods. Having been
warned by his father, Prometheus, of the approaching disaster, Deucalion
built a boat, which carried him and Pyrrha safely to rest atop Mount
Parnassus. The oracle at Delphia commanded them to cast the bones of their
mother over their shoulders. Understanding this to mean the stones of the
earth, they obeyed, and from the stones sprang a new race of people."
The Greek myth was probably in turn borrowed from myths
of Bronze Age agricultural peoples, who lived before 2000 BCE,
Myceneans in Greece and Minoans on Crete. They in turn
may have borrowed it from the Neolithic people of the Ice Age.
The original Great Flood may have been a real event. It could
possibly have been the gradual filling of the Mediterranean
Sea experienced by the Neolithic people over only several
generations of living along the seashore, when the minor Ice
Age ended around 8,000 BCE.
As glaciers melted, the people would have had to keep
relocating to higher ground as the climate warmed and the
oceans rose. The Mediterranean Sea would have risen much
more than the Atlantic Ocean.
Steve
Jim
Re Noah:
My "assumption" is that the sons and all of their descendents would be
descendents of Noah. My "belief" is that there was a great flood that
covered all of the world "known" to the author of the story - - - not the
entire earth within the last, oh, 100,000 years or so.
Thanks again,
Jim
EskyMoe
>descended from Adam and Eve.
You are starting from the false assumption that the Bible is a literal truth.
The Bible is a collection of stories that were trying to explain the world when
humanity was just beginning to think about itself and question its reason for
being.
Honni soit qui mal y pense.