Great and Removed: What are they?
Ubiquitous
relative (as opposed to "grand") and a nth-"removed" relative?
Roland
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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> I'm always unclear about this so maybe you all know. What is a "great"
> relative (as opposed to "grand") and a nth-"removed" relative?
>
I just finally figured it out yesterday myself :)
let's start with my dad(hypothetical)
Bob. His cousin(i.e. 1st cousin) is Tony.
I would be Tony's 1st cousin once removed.
My child(Fred) would be Tony's 1st cousin twice removed
Fred's child would be Tony's 1st cousin 3X removed and so on down the line.
Tony's child(Hank) would then be my 2nd cousin.
My child(Fred) would be Hanks 2nd cousin once removed.
Fred's child would be Hanks 2nd cousin twice removed and so on down that
line.
Hank and Fred's children would then be 3rd cousins and use the same formula
above for the nth-removed.
Grand indicates 2 generations ahead of you(i.e. grandparents). For each
additional generation a "great" is added to indicate generations further
back(i.e. great-grandparents are your granparents parents). A common error I
find is that when talking to people most of them call their grandparents
siblings their "great-aunt/uncle" when it should be grand-aunt/uncle to
indicate the 2 generations ahead of you.
Hope this helps(and that I am correct)
Roland
workerbee
> A common error I
>find is that when talking to people most of them call their grandparents
>siblings their "great-aunt/uncle" when it should be grand-aunt/uncle to
>indicate the 2 generations ahead of you.
>
>Hope this helps(and that I am correct)
>Roland
This is not an error. Grand indicates a direct line of descent, which
does not include aunts and uncles. Parents of various generations are
grands or great-grands. Siblings of grands and great-grands are just
greats.
Jeanne Connell
same thing. However, I don't know if it is a regional thing or what
as to which one is used. I have always used "grand-aunt" to mean the
sister of my grandparent and "great-aunt" to mean the sister of my
great-grandparent. It just seems to make it more clear who you are
talking about.
Jeanne
Eric & Jamie Simmons
confusing.
I have a *Cuz Vi* (Violet) long since dead, but growing up, that was her
*title* Cuz Vi.
Her mother was our *Aunty Did* (short for ??? can't remember at this moment)
Anyway, you would assume one was my Aunt & her daughter my cousin.
Nope, Aunty Did was my Grandma's sister and Cousin Vi her daughter. Since
they were so much older and a *title* was needed for Vi, (for my mother to
call her as she was older...yet her cousin) for polite-ness sake my Mother
grew up calling her Cuz Vi...but so did I.
The kicker, before she passed away, my oldest children knew her...and also
called her Cuz Vi (Their great Aunt!!!)
We won't even get into the mess *my* children will untangle as they call our
close friends *Aunt and Uncle* as Mr & Mrs are too formal for such close
friends and no title would go against what I believe about never calling an
elder by their first name.
J
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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f/f george
Argyle
On 29-Apr-2004, Jeanne Connell <siobh...@rcn.com> wrote:
> I find in the dictionary that "grand-aunt" and "great-aunt" mean the
> same thing. However, I don't know if it is a regional thing or what
> as to which one is used. I have always used "grand-aunt" to mean the
> sister of my grandparent and "great-aunt" to mean the sister of my
> great-grandparent. It just seems to make it more clear who you are
> talking about.
The only difference in your usage and mine is that I would call your
"great-aunt" "great-grand-aunt" since she is still related through your
"great" grandparent.
IMO, only!
Rob
workerbee
<eric...@telus.net> wrotE:
>We won't even get into the mess *my* children will untangle as they call our
>close friends *Aunt and Uncle* as Mr & Mrs are too formal for such close
>friends and no title would go against what I believe about never calling an
>elder by their first name.
We kind of lucked out with this one. Since my husband is from Germany
my children called all genuine aunts and uncles (even on my side)
Tante and Oncle. Then they could call our close friends Aunt and
Uncle. This made it easy to explain to them who was who when they got
a little older.
toot...@webtv.net
siblings as my "great" aunts and uncles. But it's so much clearer if you
use the same prefix for the aunts and uncles as you do for the
"parents."
Siblings of your parents are your uncles or aunts
Siblings of your grand-parents are your grand-uncles or grand-aunts
Siblings of your great-grandparents are your great-grand-uncles or
great-grand-aunts, etc., etc.
Makes it so much clearer what generation you are speaking of, plus it
seems to be the standard in genealogy. Well, in my software anyway. Run
a "kinship" report on yourself and see what these people are called in
your software.
Steve W. Jackson
toot...@webtv.net wrote:
:> Before I got started in genealogy, I always referred to my grandfather's
There is no difference between a great uncle/aunt and a grand
uncle/aunt, except for personal preference. If your software is worth
owning, it will allow you to choose between these usages. While you
consider "great grand uncle" to be a "better indicator" of generation, I
fail to see how it's any more clear than the "great great uncle" I would
use for that same person.
= Steve =
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama
D. Stussy
> I'm always unclear about this so maybe you all know. What is a "great"
> relative (as opposed to "grand") and a nth-"removed" relative?
Removal is easy and applies only to cousins: It marks the amount of
generational INEQUALITY between the two people back to the common ancestor they
are measured from. That is, if they are removed, then they are NOT of the same
descendency generation from the measured common ancestor, and the amount of the
removal indicates how many generations they differ by.
Great: [generationally] More than grand. That's why one's grandparents'
parents are called great-grandparents. The latter's parents are the
great-great-grandparents. Add one "great-" for each successive ancestral
generation; however, one usually counts - i.e. "third-great-grandparents."
Stephen Hayes
Jeanne Connell wrote in a message to All:
JC> From: Jeanne Connell <siobh...@rcn.com>
JC> I find in the dictionary that "grand-aunt" and "great-aunt" mean
JC> the same thing. However, I don't know if it is a regional thing or
JC> what as to which one is used. I have always used "grand-aunt" to
JC> mean the sister of my grandparent and "great-aunt" to mean the
JC> sister of my great-grandparent. It just seems to make it more
JC> clear who you are talking about.
I use great aunt and grand aunt to mean the sister of my grandparent.
The sister of my great grandparent I would call my great grand aunt.
Steve Hayes
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