What went wrong with the movie
Jerry Ku
just you fighting a war. If I remember it well... it was pretty. well. realistic.
wasn't much of a story. was more of "hey. you're a fighter pilot in a war. go
fight." Like real war, you don't have fighter pilots that defy immense odds and
save the world from disaster in a single battle.
I'm a big TV nut.. and everytime someone talks about "Saving Private Ryan", I
watch. They always say "After that first D-day scene, the movie turns into a more
adventure-story like other movies. Gotta have plot and a story.. not realistic,
but dramatic and cinematic!"
somethin like that.
i thought Wing Commander 2's plot was much better than WC3's. WC 3 just seemed to
destroy too much of the world Roberts setup up for us in WC 1 and 2.
Remember how we started out in WC 2? Your character demoted... dishonored..
disgraced.. accussed of blowing up all of your friends! yeesh!
i forgot who died on the Tiger's Claw. Bossman? Iceman? who else?
Anyway, you go off to a lame station.. your skills gone to waste as the war rages
elsewhere.. but the Kilrathi change that! they bring the war to you.. the Concordia
arrives and needs help.. you save her, but your buddy gets fried. Yep, it's back to
Wing Commander. Fighting and fighting.. mourning and mourning.. repeat cycle.
but ah, it's deeper than that! there's a traitor on the ship! who is it..? is it
Spirit.. who's lover is captured by the Kilrathi somewhere? she'd have a good
reason to leak intel to the enemy.. to keep her lover alive! What about this guy
who thinks he's better than you? and what the hell happened to your ship's
flight-cam data?? Will Tolwyn ever trust you?
ah. a new friend. Hobbes. he's cool. plays poker with ya. funny guy. interesting
too!
kinda like Worf :)
and what's all this about Thrakath and his father? wonder what he'll do..
anyway, the story was great IMO!
didn't like WC3 cuz it killed Hobbes. :( made Tolwyn more bastardly. maybe the
Fleet Action book ruined a lot for me. grumble. shrug.
shrug
Xwing884 wrote:
> Number 1 problem that should not have been with Wing Commander, the movie:
> Budget.
> Fox definitely could have poured more moola into the process. It would have
> resulted in better costumes, and better actor quality.
>
> Number 2: Plot.
> I truly believe they should have picked up with the plot from Wing Commander 3.
> That game just struck me when I played it. I mean, the live action filming,
> everything. And, when it gets down to it, the original Wing Commander didn't
> exactly have an swesome plot. I mean, the game was simply, the Kilrathi Empire
> met the Terrans. ok. War breaks out. ok. Not exactly Epic.
> Wing Commander 3 gave us a more complex plot, a battered and old Blair, tired
> of the war, and an ending that knocked my socks off.
>
> Number 3: Cast.
> This is partly related to the budget problem. They could have gotten Mark
> Hamill, assuming they did the WC3 plot, and to say nothing of John Rhys Davies,
> who did an awesome Paladin. Malcolm McCdowell was a great Tolwyn.
>
> Another problem was the ship designs. They looked nothing like in the game!
> what's wrong with CR? I would have loved to see a Rapier, or a hornet that
> looked just like in the games.
>
> ~Steve
> Ok, I think I've vented enough steam.
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Kris Vanhecke
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>Another problem was the ship designs. They looked nothing like in the game!
>what's wrong with CR? I would have loved to see a Rapier, or a hornet that
>looked just like in the games.
They couldn't base the movie ships on 10 year old bitmaps...
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Edward Pang
>Number 1 problem that should not have been with Wing Commander, the movie:
>Budget.
>Fox definitely could have poured more moola into the process. It would have
>resulted in better costumes, and better actor quality.
For $30 million, that wasn't so bad.
>Number 2: Plot.
>I truly believe they should have picked up with the plot from Wing Commander 3.
>That game just struck me when I played it. I mean, the live action filming,
>everything. And, when it gets down to it, the original Wing Commander didn't
>exactly have an swesome plot. I mean, the game was simply, the Kilrathi Empire
>met the Terrans. ok. War breaks out. ok. Not exactly Epic.
>Wing Commander 3 gave us a more complex plot, a battered and old Blair, tired
>of the war, and an ending that knocked my socks off.
WC3? But Roberts wanted to do WC1 all over again,
and I'd say that WC4 had more plot than WC3 did... =)
>Number 3: Cast.
>This is partly related to the budget problem. They could have gotten Mark
>Hamill, assuming they did the WC3 plot, and to say nothing of John Rhys Davies,
>who did an awesome Paladin. Malcolm McCdowell was a great Tolwyn.
All of whom were either unavailible or uncastable due to
the story.
>Another problem was the ship designs. They looked nothing like in the game!
>what's wrong with CR? I would have loved to see a Rapier, or a hornet that
>looked just like in the games.
Because he wanted Das Boot.
"We can alter the universe to co-incide with itself, but not to fit with
our preconcieved notions. It is the most holy element of our calling."
-- The First Law of LOAF from The Book of LOAF
Karl "CFF" Frank
> They couldn't base the movie ships on 10 year old bitmaps...
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> WC3? But Roberts wanted to do WC1 all over again,
> and I'd say that WC4 had more plot than WC3 did... =)
movie and especially if you don't know anything about the war yet.
Christopher Reid
>
> Kris Vanhecke wrote:
> > They couldn't base the movie ships on 10 year old bitmaps...
>
> Why not? Especially as you wrote 'based on', not identical.
Then they could say the fighters they came out with were 'based on'
those 10 year old bitmaps.. (mixed in with the British fighters they had
to work with).
Chris Reid Wing Commander CIC
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Christopher Reid
>
> i forgot who died on the Tiger's Claw. Bossman? Iceman? who else?
Neither.. Bossman was dead before the Claw went down and Iceman
lived.. he took command of the remaining wings and directed them to the
TCS Austin in the aftermath of the Claw's destruction.
Edward Pang
<kfr...@cosy.sbg.ac.at.DELETEME> scribbled:
>Kris Vanhecke wrote:
>> They couldn't base the movie ships on 10 year old bitmaps...
>Why not? Especially as you wrote 'based on', not identical.
I think they were going for 'identical'.
Edward Pang
<kfr...@cosy.sbg.ac.at.DELETEME> scribbled:
>Edward Pang wrote:
>> WC3? But Roberts wanted to do WC1 all over again,
>> and I'd say that WC4 had more plot than WC3 did... =)
>It had, but I think wc3 would appeal to more people. Especially for a
>movie and especially if you don't know anything about the war yet.
But then we could do Star Wars comparisions... ;)
Paladin: "Now, laddie.. your strike wing will be flying
down to Kilrah and along this trench, where you'll have to
deliver the Temblor bomb on this 2-meter wide spot RIGHT
here. Exactly."
Karl "CFF" Frank
> > Kris Vanhecke wrote:
> > > They couldn't base the movie ships on 10 year old bitmaps...
> > Why not? Especially as you wrote 'based on', not identical.
> those 10 year old bitmaps.. (mixed in with the British fighters they had
> to work with).
that the source of the idea was bad so the result has to be bad just
does not hold.
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Edward Pang wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:19:34 +0100, Karl \"CFF\" Frank
> <kfr...@cosy.sbg.ac.at.DELETEME> scribbled:
>
> >Edward Pang wrote:
> >> WC3? But Roberts wanted to do WC1 all over again,
> >> and I'd say that WC4 had more plot than WC3 did... =)
>
> >It had, but I think wc3 would appeal to more people. Especially for a
> >movie and especially if you don't know anything about the war yet.
>
> But then we could do Star Wars comparisions... ;)
>
> Paladin: "Now, laddie.. your strike wing will be flying
> down to Kilrah and along this trench, where you'll have to
> deliver the Temblor bomb on this 2-meter wide spot RIGHT
> here. Exactly."
I've always gotten a chuckle out of the fact "Luke Skywalker" is guarding a
planet-killer which is vulnerable to shots at a very specific area; "Luke
guarding the Death Star" would probably have Obi Wan rolling in his grave!
:)
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Edward Pang
scribbled:
Imagine the scandal. ;)
Emperor Tolwyn: "Join the Dark Side, Luke." ;)
Delance
>Number 1 problem that should not have been with Wing Commander, the movie:
>Budget.
>Fox definitely could have poured more moola into the process. It would have
>resulted in better costumes, and better actor quality.
It did great for 30 million...
>Number 2: Plot.
>I truly believe they should have picked up with the plot from Wing Commander 3.
>That game just struck me when I played it. I mean, the live action filming,
>everything. And, when it gets down to it, the original Wing Commander didn't
>exactly have an swesome plot. I mean, the game was simply, the Kilrathi Empire
>met the Terrans. ok. War breaks out. ok. Not exactly Epic.
>Wing Commander 3 gave us a more complex plot, a battered and old Blair, tired
>of the war, and an ending that knocked my socks off.
They wanted to start from the beginning.. then why not place it on
WCIV, which had the best storyline??
Because the WCIV storyline would not have as much sense w/o the
Kilrathi war.. It's like the return of the jedi w/o the 2 other
movies..
>Number 3: Cast.
>This is partly related to the budget problem. They could have gotten Mark
>Hamill, assuming they did the WC3 plot, and to say nothing of John Rhys Davies,
>who did an awesome Paladin. Malcolm McCdowell was a great Tolwyn.
Mark Hammil is too old for WC1...
>Another problem was the ship designs. They looked nothing like in the game!
>what's wrong with CR? I would have loved to see a Rapier, or a hornet that
>looked just like in the games.
Well, at lest they used the same ships...
>> Delance <<
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Locke
> Jerry Ku wrote:
> > i forgot who died on the Tiger's Claw. Bossman? Iceman? who else?
> Neither.. Bossman was dead before the Claw went down and Iceman
> lived.. he took command of the remaining wings and directed them to the
> TCS Austin in the aftermath of the Claw's destruction.
Then got cut to pieces in the B'shriss system...
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> On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:19:34 +0100, Karl \"CFF\" Frank
> <kfr...@cosy.sbg.ac.at.DELETEME> scribbled:
> >Edward Pang wrote:
> >> WC3? But Roberts wanted to do WC1 all over again,
> >> and I'd say that WC4 had more plot than WC3 did... =)
> >It had, but I think wc3 would appeal to more people. Especially for a
> >movie and especially if you don't know anything about the war yet.
> But then we could do Star Wars comparisions... ;)
> Paladin: "Now, laddie.. your strike wing will be flying
> down to Kilrah and along this trench, where you'll have to
> deliver the Temblor bomb on this 2-meter wide spot RIGHT
> here. Exactly."
Why does that sound so familiar? If he said "use the force, Luke", I
think that'd be blaint... =\