Question: Gangrel leaving the Camarilla - when?
Shadowchaser
I don't think there is a precise day, but an approximate date could be useful. I know it happened in 1999, but this is all.
Thanks
Raffaele aka Shadowchaser
Soph
wiadomosci
>A friend of mine asked me the exact date,
Saturday 7 August 1999 - +- 12:30 AM ;)
Soph
Michael Dracon
Give or take a few minutes...
Michael Dracon
"You are aware that it lists everything in US dollars,
being a US site and all."
"No it doesn't. It's in Canadian, as I'm in Canada.
All web sites convert to Canadian dollars in their
pricing when you visit them from Canada."
From: www.ActsOfGord.com
(Thanks to: Richard Clayton for the link)
[12:30 AM? That's 30 minutes after midnight right?]
Shadowchaser
> >
> > Saturday 7 August 1999 - +- 12:30 AM ;)
> >
> > Soph
> >
>
> Give or take a few minutes...
>
>
> Michael Dracon
>
I'll tell him ;)
gbye
Shadowchaser
CrackerBob
question. Please forgive me, I'm a newbie
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Richard Clayton
> So is Gangrel an independent clan now? I realize this may be a dumb
> question. Please forgive me, I'm a newbie
On paper, most Cainites probably consider them independants, like
the Giovanni or (what's left of) the Ravnos. In practical terms,
however, there is little difference. The Gangrel, now as always, kinda
do their own thing. They scarcely have any /clan/ solidarity, let alone
allegiance to a larger group like the Camarilla or the Sabbat.
And newbies are always welcome here in alt.games.whitewolf. (^_^)
--
Richard Clayton (for...@earthlink.net)
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
-- Aldous Huxley
CrackerBob
edition sourcebook so I'm learning alot as I go.
Thanks again =)
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Richard Clayton
> Thank You /very/ much. At this point pretty much all I know is in The 3rd
> edition sourcebook so I'm learning alot as I go.
> Thanks again =)
My pleasure. Please feel free to post again, about anything you'd like-
more traffic is always welcome. (^_^)
Brandon Quina
> > question. Please forgive me, I'm a newbie
>
> On paper, most Cainites probably consider them independants, like
> the Giovanni or (what's left of) the Ravnos. In practical terms,
> however, there is little difference. The Gangrel, now as always, kinda
> do their own thing. They scarcely have any /clan/ solidarity, let alone
> allegiance to a larger group like the Camarilla or the Sabbat.
I'd say the only real difference is that various Camarilla vampires are
extra nasty at them because of the apparent 'defection', to the point of
being a bit more vigorous in gobbling up Gangrel holdings in various cities
and what not. Which alienates those Gangrel that didn't leave, naturally,
but hey -- few Vampires can give up a legitimate reason to be a bad-ass and
increase their own powerbase.
> And newbies are always welcome here in alt.games.whitewolf. (^_^)
Now Richard, you know very well that we sacrifice Newbies in our bi-monthly
rites to the Story God.
CrackerBob
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marc17
>
> > So is Gangrel an independent clan now? I realize this may be a dumb
> > question. Please forgive me, I'm a newbie
>
> On paper, most Cainites probably consider them independants, like
> the Giovanni or (what's left of) the Ravnos. In practical terms,
> however, there is little difference. The Gangrel, now as always, kinda
> do their own thing. They scarcely have any /clan/ solidarity, let alone
> allegiance to a larger group like the Camarilla or the Sabbat.
>
I have some trouble with the metaplot reguarding the Gangrel.
Personally, I don't think any single gangrel, even the justicar could
withdraw the clan from the Camarilla. Personally, I read the clan
books and found the entire "Ride of the Gangrel Brigade" story to be
silly and quite stupid (along with most of the Eye of Hazamel plot)
and would like to downplay it as much as possible in my chronicle.
I figure, that the Justicar, Xavier(?) got pissed and split form the
Camrilla, while the Gangrel Inner Circle member either won't or can't
be bothered with comenting on the situation. Overall, it's a big blow
to the Gangrel's status in the Camarilla that probably won't be
settled one way or another till the next meeting of the Inner Circle
when and if a Gangrel shows up to be in it. In the mean time, many
Gagrel have followed Xavier's lead and split, Princes with grudges
have used this "formal" leaving of the Camarilla to dismiss Primogen
or other Gangrel vampires they may not have liked, but most have
simply ignored the happenings and will wait a few years at least
before determining what has happened.
To add spice to events, there are rumors that the Gangrel antedeluvian
is the only one to have contact with it's clan in the recent years
(vaguely remembered from the original Vampire rule book) at one of
their "gathers" and it is said this is all part of her plan for the
clan or at least inspired by something she said.
The Gangrel have always been protrayed as outsiders that did what they
wanted and stuck to the wilderness outside the domain of most princes
anyway. Even Sabbat gangrel seemed to not see too much of a difference
between the Gangrel of the two sects and the happenings at many
gathers sound much like some of the Sabbat fire rituals. In the past,
before the last century or so, this could easily be because of lack of
communication and command within the sects. Such wilderness vampires
may only be loosely aligned with their sects at all and hardly ever
came into contact with other sect members that would reinforce their
hatred for their opposites. In modern days, when an event in Europe
can be known within hours to those in the rest of the world, sect
politics are becoming more important in relation with local politics.
In the past, "those vampires over there" could be ignored if they
ignored you simply because there was no real reason to do anything
about them. With mordern methods of communication, both sects are
being pulled together and brought under a more firm command by those
in charge. Where in years past, the Sabbat Regent could only issue
general policy statements reguarding Sabat actions that most Sabbat my
not hear for years or even till after contradictory orders had been
given, no the regent can oversee the day to day operations of hunderd
of packs personally by post, phone or the even the internet. This
would put more and more pressure in recent years on the Gangrel to
give up their solitary and separte ways and fall into sect lines. This
is probably some of the cause of the anger the Gangrel are seeing with
the Camarilla. While most recently created vampires will fall inline,
many older Gangrel are going to resent being forced to choose between
old freindships, understandings, and policies for those dictated by
the sect.
Raoul Borges
Camarilla. They don't need it, after all.
I believe the Gangrel leaved the Camarilla because
someone in WW thought they would have never entered
it at the beginning
(I remember the first edition core book, with the
first Chicago by Night, before the Player Guide to
the Sabbat, when the Camarilla were the civilized
Kindred, and the Sabbat were all the vampires that
embraced the Beast: The Gangrel were, thus,
Camarilla members by default... Now, the Sabbat has
its own Clans, and there are independant Clans...
thus changing the first 'political arena', I
believe).
(It's my humble opinion, through)
Still, as for Xaviar making the whole Clan leaving,
I don't like how it was ''described'' in the Clan
Novels. The Eye of Hazimel seems too much ''magical
item'' too me (reminds me of AD&D...), and I would
have prefered to read the unearthing of secrets
(lost passages from the Book of Nod, etc.) than
the quest of a Setite (quite impressive, it's
true...) to find a (still) mysterious magical
artifact.
But I believe that if the justicar of a Clan has
enough evidence, and/or the Clan is somehow
dissatisfied by the system, it is easy, in the end,
to make the Clan quit the Camarilla. No Elder in
the Inner Council, no more Justicar, most Elders
quiting what they believe to be a sunking boat,
and it means that even those wainting to remain
become less and less respected, if only because
they have no ''legal'' representation.
Note that the Camarilla could do nothing to prevent
that: The Gangrel are survivors and warriors, caring
nothing about socialities, which mean that no one
had a way to keep them ''interested'', or to
threaten the Clan. And it is better to have one
Clan quit the boat to become independant than to
have it officially join the Sabbat.
In the end, the Brujah won a lot. Who will be the
armed hand of the Camarilla, now? The remaining
Gangrel who will probably be more and more
abused by elders now that they have no Justicar?
The newly arrived Assamite?
And just by hinting that they could do the same,
and thus frighten those who believed just years
ago that the Gangrel and the Brujah were the
''canon fodder'' of the Camarilla, the Brujah has
a lot to win...
Raoul Borges
http://wod.augias.org/
Janus
>withdraw the clan from the Camarilla.
But no one Gangrel does this. A good chunk of them decide to up and leave
though.
>Personally, I read the clan
>books and found the entire "Ride of the Gangrel Brigade" story to be
>silly and quite stupid (along with most of the Eye of Hazamel plot)
>and would like to downplay it as much as possible in my chronicle.
This isn't necessarily the same reason they left as the books aren't to be
taken as gosple. Not that core books or suppliments are either, but the Clan
Novels are even less so.
>I figure, that the Justicar, Xavier(?) got pissed and split form the
>Camrilla, while the Gangrel Inner Circle member either won't or can't
>be bothered with comenting on the situation.
Assuming there is an Inner Circle member that is Gangrel. And if there was,
what's to say that person didn't leave too? It isn't an issue that would be
likely to appear in a game anyway, as no one knows who that Gangrel could be.
>Overall, it's a big blow
>to the Gangrel's status in the Camarilla
True, but there wasn't a lot of status there before hand either.
>that probably won't be
>settled one way or another till the next meeting of the Inner Circle
>when and if a Gangrel shows up to be in it.
If it was a big deal, the Inner Circle could meet to appoint a new Justicar
since the current one has left. I think that it more likely shows that the
Inner Circle just never really cared about the Gangrel.
>To add spice to events, there are rumors that the Gangrel antedeluvian
>is the only one to have contact with it's clan in the recent years
>(vaguely remembered from the original Vampire rule book)
Meh, that depends on what you mean. Meeting with the /members/ of the clan,
then no as several others do have some sort of contact.
>This
>is probably some of the cause of the anger the Gangrel are seeing with
>the Camarilla. While most recently created vampires will fall inline,
>many older Gangrel are going to resent being forced to choose between
>old freindships, understandings, and policies for those dictated by
>the sect.
That's questionable. If the neonate vampires are Gangrel then it's questionable
they will fall into any sort of line if they haven't had much contact with the
Camarilla to begin with.
There are of course those that keep contacts within the city might by "default"
fall in line with the Camarilla, or even Sabbat depending on the city.
I don't think that older Gangrel are being forced to choose between the two
necessarily. As vampires don't really have friends, but rather contacts, the
ocassional ally, or someone they can use, I think the split doesn't change as
much as many think. Because it's not as though the Camarilla is saying, "if you
aren't with us you are against us" though individual vampires may take it like
that. It all depends more on why you think some of them left, as there are
still some older and rather loyal members in the Gangrel.
~Janus
SASA
Kane Motri
<bran...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> > So is Gangrel an independent clan now? I realize this may be a dumb
>> > question. Please forgive me, I'm a newbie
>>
>> On paper, most Cainites probably consider them independants, like
>> the Giovanni or (what's left of) the Ravnos. In practical terms,
>> however, there is little difference. The Gangrel, now as always, kinda
>> do their own thing. They scarcely have any /clan/ solidarity, let alone
>> allegiance to a larger group like the Camarilla or the Sabbat.
>
> I'd say the only real difference is that various Camarilla vampires are
>extra nasty at them because of the apparent 'defection', to the point of
>being a bit more vigorous in gobbling up Gangrel holdings in various cities
>and what not. Which alienates those Gangrel that didn't leave, naturally,
>but hey -- few Vampires can give up a legitimate reason to be a bad-ass and
>increase their own powerbase.
I still wonder why the Gangrel even joined the Camarilla in the first
place, how they all could ever accept someone to talk for them all and
why the Giovanni didn't join..
(I guess I should finally read the Transylvania and Giovanni
Chronicles)
>> And newbies are always welcome here in alt.games.whitewolf. (^_^)
>
>Now Richard, you know very well that we sacrifice Newbies in our bi-monthly
>rites to the Story God.
Would you mind not saying that stuff in front of the newbies, Brandon?
I mean, if they get hold of that information, they won't stay long.
And how are we then ever supposed to capture them?
And only because wie sa_ri_ic_ them that doesn't mean that they aren't
welcome... it's rather the opposite of that.
Kane
--
"The time of Kane and Bob is near!"
- Wiley Bob @alt.games.whitewolf
Brandon Quina
> I mean, if they get hold of that information, they won't stay long.
> And how are we then ever supposed to capture them?
>
> And only because wie sa_ri_ic_ them that doesn't mean that they aren't
> welcome... it's rather the opposite of that.
Of course! Welcome, Newbies! Come, talk in a.g.ww! We won't Sacrifice you
to the Story God! Those are just vicious rumors, started by those people
who hate White Wolf Roleplayers, with no basis in fact!
Brandon,
A.G.WW Veteran
WE DON'T SACRIFICE PEOPLE!
Janus
>place, how they all could ever accept someone to talk for them all
Considering the time period when the Camarilla came together, they didn't
really join as a clan, or at least no more then any other clan. I think too
often we get the idea that all the clans came together and everyone said "this
is a good idea" and the ones that didn't would form the Sabbat.
I'm more inclined to believe that some elder Gangrel though the Camarilla in
theory was a good idea. And it was more than likely presented to them as a
larger governing body. Most Gangrel just shrugged it off, as it didn't really
effect them, but I would wager that some saw it as a good idea as a way to get
a voice, or protection from the expanding cities.
>and
>why the Giovanni didn't join..
That wouldn't be "keeping it in the family."
~Janus
SASA
Richard Clayton
> > Now Richard, you know very well that we sacrifice Newbies in our
> bi-monthly
> > rites to the Story God.
> >
> EEP!!!!!
Oh, nice. Way to go, Brandon. Now you've scared him off. And he would have
been the first juicy fresh newbie I devoured for WEEKS.
Brandon Quina
> > > bi-monthly rites to the Story God.
> > >
> > EEP!!!!!
>
> Oh, nice. Way to go, Brandon. Now you've scared him off. And he would
have
> been the first juicy fresh newbie I devoured for WEEKS.
Sowwy.
*downcast face*
Not that this means we sacrifice people, mind you! We would never do such a
thing.
marc17
> I always wondered why the Gangrel were in the
> Camarilla. They don't need it, after all.
The Gangrel do indeed make a better independant clan if you ask me.
They are the perpetual outsiders. As to why they joined the Camarilla?
There are several points that the Camrilla stand on, and several more
that distinguish it from the Sabbat. The masquerade being the largest.
During the days of the anarch revolt, the Gangrel may have felt that
they should help create the masquerade, but now, after all these
centuries, the masquerade is in place and their input in the larger
effort is no longer needed.
>
> (It's my humble opinion, through)
>
> Still, as for Xaviar making the whole Clan leaving,
> I don't like how it was ''described'' in the Clan
> Novels. The Eye of Hazimel seems too much ''magical
> item'' too me (reminds me of AD&D...),
*bingo*
plus there are only so many "threats that threaten to destory the
world" you can pull before people get bored of them. I could have
handled the entire eye of Hazamel thing if it wasn't written in an
AD&D power gamer method. It was done completely like the DM that ups
the power and scale (as well of the treasure) exponentially in his
campain because they can't manage a decent storyline to keep the
players entertained.
> And just by hinting that they could do the same,
> and thus frighten those who believed just years
> ago that the Gangrel and the Brujah were the
> ''canon fodder'' of the Camarilla, the Brujah has
> a lot to win...
Especially after the loss of Russia. That's one thing I have felt was
lacking was more information of a few vampires from the time before
Baba Yaga awakened. From the way the Brujah Council was originally
described, I would have placed them as another sect (although already
fallen). Surely not all the Russian vampires would have been destroyed
and some probably fled to the US. Vampires from a place where the
Brujah were in control and most likely compareing it to the "new
Carthage".
marc17
> >settled one way or another till the next meeting of the Inner Circle
> >when and if a Gangrel shows up to be in it.
>
> If it was a big deal, the Inner Circle could meet to appoint a new Justicar
> since the current one has left. I think that it more likely shows that the
> Inner Circle just never really cared about the Gangrel.
>
Well, theoretically, at least one Inner Circle member did (the one
from Gangrel). that there aren't rumors or information on who they
were or what they think casts suspition on the entire situation.
Either those involved just don't consider it important enough to push
up the schedule (what's another ten years to elders centuries old?) or
something's up that isn't common knowledge. It could be that the
(ex)inner Circle member attibuted to Gangrel agrees with Xavier and
has also left. Or she could be incapable of making a decision. Could
be dead or incapacitated. COuld be that they Gangrel determine this
person by some method that can't be done without much notice. I do
find it suspicious that the Gangrel quit with the Camrilla in the
middle of a new Sabbat offensive
> >To add spice to events, there are rumors that the Gangrel antedeluvian
> >is the only one to have contact with it's clan in the recent years
> >(vaguely remembered from the original Vampire rule book)
>
> Meh, that depends on what you mean. Meeting with the /members/ of the clan,
> then no as several others do have some sort of contact.
>
Well, since it was in the original rule book, I suspect that it meant
of the Camrilla clans. Although Tremere is still around, he is in
torpor. Lasombra, Venture, Set, and Brujah are suposedly destroyed or
incapcitated beyind the reach of clan members. Nobody really believes
that Tzimicse is alive except Ruthven. I suspect any meeting of clan
nosferatu with their antedeluvian is only for it's feeding purposes. i
can remember no information on Toreador or Malkav.
Shane T. Graves
> edition sourcebook so I'm learning alot as I go.
That's mostly how it goes with RPG stuff. And for what it's worth, the
Gangrel's big move didn't come until AFTER the Revised book came out. If
you're at all interested, I'd turn my attention to the Camarilla and Sabbat
Guides which get into the more meaty bits of each group. Guide to the
Camarilla was where the Gangrel made their big move.
Shane T. Graves
a
> thing.
At least that's what our lawyers have told us to say.
Janus
>> since the current one has left. I think that it more likely shows that the
>> Inner Circle just never really cared about the Gangrel.
>>
>Well, theoretically, at least one Inner Circle member did (the one
>from Gangrel).
Sure, theoretically, but that's a lot of "ifs." You can of course run your game
how you want, keep in mind that I'm basing my points off of your arguement that
the CN meta-canon is bunk, and what we do or may know from other books.
Theoretically, there is a Gangrel in the Inner Circle, of course no one really
knows. Check out the recent thread about Inner Circle. Sure some think there is
a represenative from each clan, but that's not necessarily the case. Especially
when you are talking about a clan that in your opinion doesn't belong in the
Camarilla.
>that there aren't rumors or information on who they
>were or what they think casts suspition on the entire situation.
The Inner Circle you mean? I don't think this casts any undue questions about
who they are, or the situation of the Gangrel at all. They are elders who may
or may not care.
>Either those involved just don't consider it important enough to push
>up the schedule (what's another ten years to elders centuries old?)
Very true, but for an organization that prides itself on structure, if it was
an important issue they would do it now. I believe there have been instances
when a Justicar meets final death that they have reconveined.
>It could be that the
>(ex)inner Circle member attibuted to Gangrel agrees with Xavier and
>has also left.
This could be the case, I agree, and it would go a long ways to explaining why
nothing is done. Of course now you have to go back to what "it" is, and why so
many Gangrel believe in "it."
> Or she could be incapable of making a decision. Could
>be dead or incapacitated. COuld be that they Gangrel determine this
>person by some method that can't be done without much notice.
I'm confused, are you saying that maybe the Gangrel decided to remove their
Inner Circle member from the action? That would be interesting, but now you
/really/ need a motive.
>I do
>find it suspicious that the Gangrel quit with the Camrilla in the
>middle of a new Sabbat offensive
True, which is why I'm saying that the books aren't that far fetched. Sure some
of the Eye stuff is a little out there, but that doesn't discount everything
that happened to the Gangrel.
Otherwise you need to come up with some sort of idea why they left. Not that
making up things is bad mind you, but for something as far reaching as the
possible assassinaion of a Gangrel Inner Circle member known by a fair number
of Gangrel can have rather large implications in a game.
Given the situation though I think it would be easy to see the Gangrel in the
middle of the Sabbat attacks going "ok fuck this, they are throwing us out
there while the prissy ass Ventrue hide in big buildings."
I think that seems like a reason to leave.
~Janus
SASA
Kane Motri
lawyers? *burp*
Kane
--
"It's not my fault, I was hungry."
Darien Drake
them to me. Next I'll probably shell out the cash for the guides to the
camarilla and sabbat
"Shane T. Graves" <thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Richard Clayton
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:51:19 GMT, "Shane T. Graves"
> <thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >> Not that this means we sacrifice people, mind you! We would never do such
> >a
> >> thing.
> >
> >At least that's what our lawyers have told us to say.
>
> lawyers? *burp*
DAMMIT KANE, what have I told you about eating lawyers? NEVER IN THE HOUSE!!
Adrian D. Rainman
To update the state of some of the antedilluvians, Tremere is actually walking
around somewhere. During his stay in torpor, Saulot, the antedilluvian whom he
diablerized, battled him for control. Tremere eventually fled his own body
and displaced Goratrix's soul, taking over his shell. In Mexico, he nuked
every Tremere antitribu for reasons unknown. For more details, check out
Nights of Prophecy.
Discerning from the Tremere-Saulot struggle, it's entirely possible that
Tzimisce is still up and walking. Perhaps he was never even diablerized in the
first place... you never know...
From what I understand, the Nosferatu antedilluvian Absimilliard is personally
responsible for the Niktiku and their plight to destroy every other Nosferatu
in existence. One of the recorded first to fall to my knowledge was, in fact,
Baba Yaga. Again, the privy is in Nights of Prophecy.
As for Malkav, he's supposedly was destroyed, but instead of dying, he
translated himself into the Malkavian Madness Network.
"Now son, let me get this straight. You were alone in your room with a girl
in skin-tight spandex--and all she did was sign some comic books?"
-concerned dad, Gen13 #5
My fanfics are at:
http://lwf58.tripod.com/fan_fiction/raemowse
Frederic SO
wrote:
>
>To update the state of some of the antedilluvians, Tremere is actually walking
>around somewhere. During his stay in torpor, Saulot, the antedilluvian whom he
>diablerized, battled him for control. Tremere eventually fled his own body
>and displaced Goratrix's soul, taking over his shell. In Mexico, he nuked
>every Tremere antitribu for reasons unknown. For more details, check out
>Nights of Prophecy.
We learn in Transylvania Chronicles IV that Tremere did that to
powered a ritual that will enable him to access and maintain 3rd gen
even in the corpse of Goratrix for a time.
After the jumping of corpse, Saulot also get free and is running
somewhere over here.
>
>Discerning from the Tremere-Saulot struggle, it's entirely possible that
>Tzimisce is still up and walking. Perhaps he was never even diablerized in the
>first place... you never know...
he/it is under NY, playing Azatoth...
>
>From what I understand, the Nosferatu antedilluvian Absimilliard is personally
>responsible for the Niktiku and their plight to destroy every other Nosferatu
>in existence. One of the recorded first to fall to my knowledge was, in fact,
>Baba Yaga. Again, the privy is in Nights of Prophecy.
>
sill inTransylvania Chronicles IV, we saw Absimilliard tentative to
nuke N.Y, it seems that he mistoke Tzimisce for the Toreador
Antideluvian.
Shane T. Graves
such
> >a
> >> thing.
> >
> >At least that's what our lawyers have told us to say.
> lawyers? *burp*
> Kane
> --
> "It's not my fault, I was hungry."
Ewwwwww...that's disgusting...which reminds me...did anyone hear about the
leopard going through the jungle eating elephant droppings? He just ate a
lawyer and wanted to get the taste out of his mouth.
Ahh...Murphy Brown was a funny show in it's day.
Adrian D. Rainman
>On 01 Jan 2002 14:12:18 GMT, raem...@aol.com (Adrian D. Rainman)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>To update the state of some of the antedilluvians, Tremere is actually
>walking
>>around somewhere. During his stay in torpor, Saulot, the antedilluvian whom
>he
>>diablerized, battled him for control. Tremere eventually fled his own body
>>and displaced Goratrix's soul, taking over his shell. In Mexico, he nuked
>>every Tremere antitribu for reasons unknown. For more details, check out
>>Nights of Prophecy.
>
>
>We learn in Transylvania Chronicles IV that Tremere did that to
>powered a ritual that will enable him to access and maintain 3rd gen
>even in the corpse of Goratrix for a time.
Well, that would make sense.
[snip]
>>From what I understand, the Nosferatu antedilluvian Absimilliard is
>personally
>>responsible for the Niktiku and their plight to destroy every other
>Nosferatu
>>in existence. One of the recorded first to fall to my knowledge was, in
>fact,
>>Baba Yaga. Again, the privy is in Nights of Prophecy.
>>
>sill inTransylvania Chronicles IV, we saw Absimilliard tentative to
>nuke N.Y, it seems that he mistoke Tzimisce for the Toreador
>Antideluvian.
Heh. I bet Tzimisce really appreciated being mistaken for Arikel... ^_^
Tzi: Do I _look_ like some flighty girl with an out-of-control artistan
fetish?!
Abs: Well, I dunno... After a few millenia, all you guys start to look alike to
me...
A snake cannot eat a dragon.
-from Cowboy Bebop episode #12
Kane Motri
<for...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Kane Motri wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:51:19 GMT, "Shane T. Graves"
>> <thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Not that this means we sacrifice people, mind you! We would never do such
>> >a
>> >> thing.
>> >
>> >At least that's what our lawyers have told us to say.
>>
>> lawyers? *burp*
>
> DAMMIT KANE, what have I told you about eating lawyers? NEVER IN THE HOUSE!!
butbutbut, the poncho.....
and, I wanted to take him outside... and he was bad to me... and he
said something about sueing us, and telling everyone about what we do
with newbies (AND OF COURSE IT'S NOT SACRIFICING!),... he was soo
scary..... so I ate him
Kane Motri
<thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >> Not that this means we sacrifice people, mind you! We would never do
>such
>> >a
>> >> thing.
>> >
>> >At least that's what our lawyers have told us to say.
>
>> lawyers? *burp*
>
>> Kane
>> --
>> "It's not my fault, I was hungry."
>
>Ewwwwww...that's disgusting...which reminds me...did anyone hear about the
>leopard going through the jungle eating elephant droppings? He just ate a
>lawyer and wanted to get the taste out of his mouth.
hehe... :)
well, If you're hungry, you'll eat absoultely anything...
and I ate about 200 tic-tac's afterwards. (hope that works...)
Richard Clayton
::comfort:: Oh, I'm so sorry... I didn't realize the bad lawyer scared you, Kane.
Don't be afraid, sweetheart. Remember, humans are merely prey. Say it with me: Humans
are merely prey... humans are merely prey...
Kane Motri
<for...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Kane Motri wrote:
>> butbutbut, the poncho.....
>>
>> and, I wanted to take him outside... and he was bad to me... and he
>> said something about sueing us, and telling everyone about what we do
>> with newbies (AND OF COURSE IT'S NOT SACRIFICING!),... he was soo
>> scary..... so I ate him
>
> ::comfort:: Oh, I'm so sorry... I didn't realize the bad lawyer scared you, Kane.
>Don't be afraid, sweetheart. Remember, humans are merely prey. Say it with me: Humans
>are merely prey... humans are merely prey...
<monotone whisper>
humans are merely prey..... humans are merely prey....
</monotone whisper>
but if they are prey, why don't we just go out and eat them all? they
are yummy (except for the lawyers)...
Richard Clayton
For the same reason human hunters are only licensed to take a few deer per season- we
want to keep the human numbers down without actually threatening their survival. If we eat
ALL the humans today, what would we eat TOMORROW?
Mavis Fitzpatrick
<shadowcha...@edisons.it> wrote:
>> > >A friend of mine asked me the exact date,
>> >
>> > Saturday 7 August 1999 - +- 12:30 AM ;)
>> >
>> > Soph
Except they were already out in early 1999, and some probobly
1998...see GttC and V:tM.
It was awile before August of 99
Kane Motri
<for...@earthlink.net> wrote:
.... uhm.. grass?
well, but who says that we aren't allowed to...? if we would start
eating every human on the earth, would someone stop us?....
Richard Clayton
> .... uhm.. grass?
> well, but who says that we aren't allowed to...? if we would start
> eating every human on the earth, would someone stop us?....
Well, the humans would probably /try/ to stop us... ::snicker::
But mostly it's a matter of pragmatism, my dear Kane. Humans are a convenient food source;
pushing them to extinction through overhunting would be silly.
Kane Motri
<for...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Kane Motri wrote:
>
>> .... uhm.. grass?
>> well, but who says that we aren't allowed to...? if we would start
>> eating every human on the earth, would someone stop us?....
>
> Well, the humans would probably /try/ to stop us... ::snicker::
but they are merely prey, they can't do us any harm.... you said
so?....
> But mostly it's a matter of pragmatism, my dear Kane. Humans are a convenient food source;
>pushing them to extinction through overhunting would be silly.
oh... I guess you're right.... but
were do the little, screaming humans come from anyway? I mean, if we
could take over the human-production plant, we could have as many
humans as we'd like to........
Juho Lankinen
news:ycw1POyKfyPG4xwBenQ2=mZE...@4ax.com...
> oh... I guess you're right.... but
> were do the little, screaming humans come from anyway? I mean, if we
> could take over the human-production plant, we could have as many
> humans as we'd like to........
As much as I am aware from interrog- I mean discussions with the said
creatures, the factory can get real messy and disgusting. We should keep a
small population of humans to run it for us, and as an instant snack if we
get more hungry than always.
Myself, I'd prefer the cellular regeneration over reproduction, but thats
humans for you. Always doing things the hard way around.
By the way, I found out a formerly unused resource of human beings. It seems
that sometimes they go into ground in small boxes. Packed snacks could be
nice, sometimes...
--
JpmL
--
Kane Motri
wrote:
>"Kane Motri" <kane....@gmx.at> wrote in message
>news:ycw1POyKfyPG4xwBenQ2=mZE...@4ax.com...
>> oh... I guess you're right.... but
>> were do the little, screaming humans come from anyway? I mean, if we
>> could take over the human-production plant, we could have as many
>> humans as we'd like to........
>
>As much as I am aware from interrog- I mean discussions with the said
>creatures, the factory can get real messy and disgusting. We should keep a
>small population of humans to run it for us, and as an instant snack if we
>get more hungry than always.
hmm... yeah, I think that would work... but how do we get the humans
to work like we want them to?
>Myself, I'd prefer the cellular regeneration over reproduction, but thats
>humans for you. Always doing things the hard way around.
couldn't we make them do the other, better re-thingy?....
>By the way, I found out a formerly unused resource of human beings. It seems
>that sometimes they go into ground in small boxes. Packed snacks could be
>nice, sometimes...
oh
I tried to dig one out once but big-Richard sait that this is bad, so
I didn't eat it... although it smelled good.... :)