Meerlinda information wanted!
Michael Zwiers
anything, no matter how small.
I already know the things that are in the Tremere clanbook (not the
revised one). But there must be more stuff on her in other books.
I especially like to know more on Thaumaturgy paths she might have,
or has used.
Thanks,
NightWing
(-=\V/=-)
Robert LeMoyne
No stats, but she's mentioned in a few books.
Libellus Sanguinis 2's section on the Tremere has IC fiction that
features Meerlinda, so you can get an official interpretation of her
personality. She's also mentioned briefly in D.C. by Night, and there's
an IC letter written by her in Nights of Prophecy...
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Shawn Gaston
> Any stats or other information on Meerlinda out there? I can use
> anything, no matter how small.
>
> I already know the things that are in the Tremere clanbook (not the
> revised one). But there must be more stuff on her in other books.
> I especially like to know more on Thaumaturgy paths she might have,
> or has used.
i don't think WW has ever published stats for her
maybe in Transylvania by night, but she's be alot nastier by now
here's a few tips:
4th gen
thaumaturgy 9
(most every published path: 5)
dominate 8 or 9
auspex 8 or 9
enough rituals to fill a book
or you could just not give her stats and assume that
unless you're running a really pumped up elder's game,
if the players are dense enough to pick a fight,
she smacks them around like 2 dollar whores pushed to the 3 dollar limit
hope that helped
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Michael Zwiers
about that.
Michael Zwiers wrote:
>
> Any stats or other information on Meerlinda out there? I can use
> anything, no matter how small.
>
> I already know the things that are in the Tremere clanbook (not the
> revised one). But there must be more stuff on her in other books.
> I especially like to know more on Thaumaturgy paths she might have,
> or has used.
>
> Thanks,
>
> NightWing
> (-=\V/=-)
Julian Mensch
>
> Libellus Sanguinis 2's section on the Tremere has IC fiction that
> features Meerlinda, so you can get an official interpretation of her
> personality. She's also mentioned briefly in D.C. by Night, and there's
> an IC letter written by her in Nights of Prophecy...
... and there's a whole ancient pact of mages and fae
deticated to pissing her off in Isle of the Mighty. :)
-- Julian Mensch
Kinkaid
Kinkaid resopnds, Merlinda is defenitly 4th gneration, in
Contantinople by night give a breif write up of her Childe Aboritus
who is listed as 5th generation. makin merlinda 4th generation.
Kinadi Noddist historian
Michael Zwiers
I can read HTML messages, so that ain't it...
NightWing
(-=\V/=-)
Tina
> ... and there's a whole ancient pact of mages and fae
> deticated to pissing her off in Isle of the Mighty. :)
Ooooh, cool. I almost pity her, but she's Tremere, so I don't have all
that much sympathy for her. They're one of my favorite clans to pick
on. ;)
Tina
dagon
> unless you're running a really pumped up elder's game,
> if the players are dense enough to pick a fight,
> she smacks them around like 2 dollar whores pushed
> to the 3 dollar limit
Hah! That's funny. Can I roll in a few extra
bucks to see how that looks in practice?
Christina Waldeck
just one question,
i used to believe that the 7 councilors introduced in the Tremere Clan
book were the same 7 who were turned into vampires along with ol'
Tremere, apart from Grimgroth who was embraced later to take the place
of Goratrix the Traitor; but Transylvania Chronicles IV states that of
the original Seven, only Meerlinda, Etrius and Goratrix are left (well,
and now Goratrix is kind of... gone... too).
That means that 4 of the original 7 magi-turned-vampire companions of
Tremere died.
Is there any supplement who gives their names and an explanation of how
they died?
And who embraced the "next" generation of councilors? Or a list of the
children of the Councilors, and their generations?
I have never read anywhere that anyone of Clan Tremere is an actual
childe of Tremere himself, all existing Tremere seem to descent from the
members of the Council of Seven. (Does that not mean that Clan Tremere
is in reality not a single Clan, but an amalgam of 7 bloodlines, bound
by the blood of Tremere given to the Councilors when the Clanfounder
bloodbonded them? IMO if Tremere disappeared or were killed, Clan
Tremere would still be able to function as long as their enemies don't
hear about the antedeluvian's demise.)
I am asking because when i invented lineages for Tremere characters, so
far i had always chosen Etrius or Meerlinda as the 4th gen sources,
because they are the Councilors about whom the most details are known.
And admitting to having Goratrix as your great-great-(...)-grand-Sire is
not always a wise choice. But it would be nice to have a bit more
variety to choose from.
So far, direct (!) childes of Etrius (4th gen) i have seen mentioned in
supplements include
- Abetorius (6th gen)
- Lotharius (6th gen)
- Celestyn (6 gen)
- Astrid Thomas (5th gen)
Childes of Meerlinda (4th gen):
- Geraint de Montfort (? gen)
- Ulugh Beg (5th gen)
More? I'd be interested, let me know.
This "5th-generation gap" in some of Etrius' lines makes the matter of
quoting one's lineage really interesting... any non-Tremere prince who
silently counts a visiting Tremere's Sires to find out the visitor's
generation will come to wrong conclusions about the other Kindred's
strength, unless he knows Clan Lore (Tremere).
It also is a proof that the first Tremere vampires committed massive
diablerie, since Tremere and the Seven most likely started out as
equivalents of 6th, 7th or even 8th generation... who knows. And it
means that, when hearing a Tremere's lineage, you not only have to know
who the Sires are but the YEAR they were embraced, because the history
of Clan Tremere makes it entirely possible that a childe of, say,
Etrius, embraced in e.g. 1070 AD is of weaker blood than one embraced in
1200 AD.
Christina
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Christina Waldeck
according to kinkaid, Abetorius is a 5th gen childe of Meerlinda?
*mumbles* alright, my info about him so far was only that he existed,
sorry for listing him as childe of Etrius.
christina
Michael Zwiers
That's okay ;)
Anyone else have more info on those first Tremere Vampires??
It is really strange that most of Etrius' childs are gen 6 and
Meerlinda's are gen 5.
I'd say the first 8 Tremere were gen 6, and Tremere himself got
extremely lucky when he 'diablerized' Saulot, and went upto gen 4.
NightWing
(-=\V/=-)
Jochem Spermon
Tremere <?-3> (:1022) Head of the clan and the House Tremere. Diablerized Saulot around 1200. Now lies in torpor in the
Vienna chantry. Tall, dark and foreboding. [Cb-Tr,p63] [CotI,p51]
Etrius <4> (:1022) Sire of Anastasia, Peter Spizzo. Member of the Inner Council from the start. Is responsible for Eastern
Europe. Watches Tremere愀 sleeping body in Vienna. [CotI,p51] [Cb-Tr,p64]
Goratrix <4> (:1022) Tremere Antitribu and head of the House Goratrix. Discovered how to turn the House Tremere into
vampires. Also researched ritual that created the Gargoyles. Tall and handsome. [Cb-Tr,p68].
Meerlinda <4> (:1022) Sire of John Diamond (late 18th cent.), and probably John Dee (1608). Member of the Original
Inner Council. Responsible for North America. Appears as an attractive, mature women in her late thirties. [Cb-Tr,p65]
Grimgroth <4> Member of the Inner Council. Responsible for Western Europe including the British Isles and Australia. Hashis chantry in Rome. [Cb-Tr,p64]
Abetorius <4> Member of the Inner Council. Responsible for Asia. [Cb-Tr,p66]
Xavier de Cincao <4> Member of the Inner Council. Responsible for South America. [Cb-Tr,p65]
Thomas Wyncham <4> Member of the Inner Council. Responsible for Far Asian Realm. [Cb-Tr,p66]
Elaine de Calinot <4> (:15th cent.) Member of the Inner Council. Responsible for Africa. She is the third Councilor to
Africa. The Brocken, the failed attempt to return lost mortality in 1993. She was not present in person, but followed the
events telepathically. Lived in a chantry in Algiers, missing since a couple of weeks. [Cb-Tr,p67] [UhA]
This came from www.patman.org
Michael Zwiers
Tremere in the inner council is gen 4. Only Tremere, Etrius, Goratrix
and Meerlinda are listed with (:1022), meaning they of are the first 8
Tremere Vampires.
I have a question to add:
How do so many Tremere vampires get to be generation 4, asuming they
were not of the first 8 Tremere? To my knowledge there aren't many
generation 4 Vampires around, not to mention that they are most
probably hidden away and/or laying in torpor.
So, does a 5th gen Vampire turn into 4th gen by drinking a lot of 5th
gen blood or something??
NightWing
(-=\V/=-)
Michael Zwiers
In the list below there are 8 Tremere listed as gen 4, not counting
Tremere himself. Since there were 8 original Tremere Vampires,
/including/ Tremere himself, that must mean /at least/ one of them has
diablerized his way up to gen 4.
Note: This is asuming that his list is correct about all of them being
gen 4, which I doubt.
NightWing
(-=\V/=-)
Jochem Spermon wrote:
>
> As far as I know all the council members are Fourth Generation.
>
> Tremere <?-3> (:1022) Head of the clan and the House Tremere. Diablerized Saulot around 1200. Now lies in torpor in the
> Vienna chantry. Tall, dark and foreboding. [Cb-Tr,p63] [CotI,p51]
> Etrius <4> (:1022) Sire of Anastasia, Peter Spizzo. Member of the Inner Council from the start. Is responsible for Eastern
> Europe. Watches Tremere´s sleeping body in Vienna. [CotI,p51] [Cb-Tr,p64]
Jochem Spermon
books with page number where you can find them. There were eight forth
gen before goratrix was death. But he wasn't a member of the inner
council anymore and had to be replaced by another Fourth gen.
Michael Zwiers wrote:
>
> Just a little nitpicking afterwards:
> In the list below there are 8 Tremere listed as gen 4, not counting
> Tremere himself. Since there were 8 original Tremere Vampires,
> /including/ Tremere himself, that must mean /at least/ one of them has
> diablerized his way up to gen 4.
>
> Note: This is asuming that his list is correct about all of them being
> gen 4, which I doubt.
>
> NightWing
> (-=\V/=-)
>
> Jochem Spermon wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know all the council members are Fourth Generation.
> >
> > Tremere <?-3> (:1022) Head of the clan and the House Tremere. Diablerized Saulot around 1200. Now lies in torpor in the
> > Vienna chantry. Tall, dark and foreboding. [Cb-Tr,p63] [CotI,p51]
> > Etrius <4> (:1022) Sire of Anastasia, Peter Spizzo. Member of the Inner Council from the start. Is responsible for Eastern
> > Europe. Watches Tremere愀 sleeping body in Vienna. [CotI,p51] [Cb-Tr,p64]
KaVir
<mrzw...@usa.net> wrote:
>From what I see, the person at www.patman.org just assumed that
every
>Tremere in the inner council is gen 4. Only Tremere, Etrius,
Goratrix
>and Meerlinda are listed with (:1022), meaning they of are the
first 8
>Tremere Vampires.
>
>I have a question to add:
>How do so many Tremere vampires get to be generation 4, asuming
they
>were not of the first 8 Tremere? To my knowledge there aren't
many
>generation 4 Vampires around, not to mention that they are most
>probably hidden away and/or laying in torpor.
Well, Tremere could (in theory) make as many 4th gen snacks as
he likes...
However, I was under the impression that there weren't that
many 4th generation Tremere, even within the inner council.
>So, does a 5th gen Vampire turn into 4th gen by drinking a lot
of 5th
>gen blood or something??
Nope, although I suppose in theory they could develop some sort
of ritual to do it, in the same way the Assamites were able to.
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Shawn Gaston
<lam...@draculamail.zzn.com> wrote...
> As far as I know all the council members are Fourth Generation.
<snippity snip>
actualy- all the ORIGINAL councilors are 4th
IIRC that's Etrius, Meerlinda and Goratrix
(maybe one or 2 more, i don't have CB Tremere in front of me)
the replacements would be 5th or even 6th gen
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Christina Waldeck
>
> From what I see, the person at www.patman.org just assumed that every
> Tremere in the inner council is gen 4. Only Tremere, Etrius, Goratrix
> and Meerlinda are listed with (:1022), meaning they of are the first 8
> Tremere Vampires.
>
> I have a question to add:
> How do so many Tremere vampires get to be generation 4, asuming they
> were not of the first 8 Tremere? To my knowledge there aren't many
> generation 4 Vampires around, not to mention that they are most
> probably hidden away and/or laying in torpor.
>
> gen blood or something??
Perhaps the Tremere learned a thing or two from the Assamites... like
the ritual to lower one's generation permanently by mixing up Vitae of
your own generation. Of course, the Councilors would not want to give
that knowledge to any neonate and apprentice.
It would be a neat explanation, only drawback is that I personally HATE
this Assamite ritual because it is totally illogical and can be abused
in so many ways that i don't have enough fingers to count 'em.
Ok, the example: Ritual says Mr. Assamite (9th gen) must collect X
points of Vitae from 9th gen or lower. (X might be 200, i am not sure
anymore and too tired to go looking in my Assamite clanbook file.) Mix
it, stir it, allow to settle, add a lemon slice and drink. *bing* Mr.
Assamite is now 8th gen.
So... I know how the minds of players work. I asked myself: "if i was
Mr. Assamite the PC, what would i do?" The ritual never mentions where
the blood has to come from. So, I'd have several options:
a) Use someone else's blood. Traditional, but it lacks innovation, and
you have to collect a lot of bloodpoints from a lot of victims. And up
until recently, you had to give your tithe of collected blood to your
vizir, the stoned dog. Naah.
b) Use parts of your own blood (which is, after all, of your own
generation *cough*)... this makes it a Perpetuum Mobile, you can lower
your own generation to 3 by using your own blood and a little alchemy
and some time. Oh dear.
b ) Did your Sire create more childer but you? Great, go and ask your
brother/sister in Haqim for a little donation, and in exchange give them
some of your blood. Big happy Family.
c) Create a lot of childer of gen 10. Use the blood of half of them
(killing them in the process, but hey, their blood will be consumed by
other Assamites and thus return to Haqim, so who cares?) to create
potions for the other half, let them drink it, they all become gen 9.
NOW, take the little worthless neonates and use their blood to give
daddy a boost.
d) Find one worthless 8th gen non-Assamite vampire and take some of his
blood (you may diablerize the rest, as a little appetizer. Grab a
mortal. Suck mortal's blood, force dying mortal to drink the bloodpoint
of the non-Assamite. *ping* Feed the newly created vampire with cheap
human and animal blood. Kill neonate, use his 9th gen blood for your
potions. Enjoy.
e) If you have the fortune to lay your hands on some blood of lower than
8th gen (You asking me how? It's not me who is called the Thief of
Bagdag, isn't it?), say from a 7th gen Camarilla elder/primogen. Use
this blood to create an 8th gen vampire (see above, d) ) and do the
old-fashioned diablerie on it. *ping* congrats, you are now 8th gen.
f) If the blood happens to be even lower, say 5th gen, don't despair!
Use it to create a 6th gen neonate, use part of _his_ blood (make sure
you don't kill him) to create a 7th gen vampire (same here), use _his_
blood to create an 8th gen vampire. Diablerize 8th gen neonate, then
diablerize 7th gen neonate, then diablerize 6th gen neonate. *ping* You
are now 6th gen. See? That wasn't so difficult. And all it took was one
night and some hidden lab and 3 mortals who won't be missed anyway. Oh,
and you can show off your black diablerie-streaks in your aura and boast
to Assamites of the other gender about how many Camarilla pigs you
sucked dry.
Of course, every true roleplayer should be retching in annoyance by now.
But this IS how a player could and probably would exploit the way the
ritual was written, after all, when you play an Assamite or Sabbat,
lowering your generation by diablerie IS an accepted goal, isn't it? Who
cares about all that angst-and-humanity-and-darkness stuff of the
Camarilla? [*heavy sarcasm*]
*sigh*
Christina
"Welcome to the 20th century, fangface!"
- Anita Blake
Christina Waldeck
>
> Just a little nitpicking afterwards:
> In the list below there are 8 Tremere listed as gen 4, not counting
> Tremere himself. Since there were 8 original Tremere Vampires,
> /including/ Tremere himself, that must mean /at least/ one of them has
> diablerized his way up to gen 4.
The ORIGINAL Councilors are supposed to be 4th gen. Etrius and Meerlinda
are 4th gen, that is confirmed, see the supplements 'Wiener Blut' and
Transylvania Chronicles IV for Etrius and TCIV for Goratrix, too, can't
give any quote for Meerlinda right now.
Goratrix was replaced with Grimgroth, after Goratrix fled in 120d AD. I
wish i knew who created Grimgroth...
But, as TCIV tells us, the other 4 Councilors are 'new', too, not of the
original 7, and some, like Abetorius, are childer of Etrius or
Meerlinda. They _might_ have gen 4 by now... that they started out as
gen 5 is very likely.
And yes, confimation that the first 8 Tremere used massive diablerie is
to be found in Transylvania by Night, the chapter about the origins of
the Tremere Clan in 1022 AD.
No wonder the Camarilla mistrusts the Tremere, but then, the Tremere
were one of the leading forces behind the foundation of the Camarilla.
You pay the minstrel, he sings your tune...
Christina
Samiel Spiral
>> Tremere himself. Since there were 8 original Tremere Vampires,
>> /including/ Tremere himself, that must mean /at least/ one of them has
>> diablerized his way up to gen 4.
>The ORIGINAL Councilors are supposed to be 4th gen. Etrius and Meerlinda
>are 4th gen, that is confirmed
>But, as TCIV tells us, the other 4 Councilors are 'new', too, not of the
>original 7, and some, like Abetorius, are childer of Etrius or
>Meerlinda. They _might_ have gen 4 by now... that they started out as
>gen 5 is very likely.
And there is always Tremere himself, being of 3rd gen, who would just hand over
his blood to all the council members to use the ritual to become 4th gens, and
incidently bonding them to him, that's the most likely explination of how the
origionals were 4th gens.
~Janus
SASA
Alexander Bateman
Christina Waldeck <c.wa...@tu-bs.de> wrote in message
news:39134A...@tu-bs.de...
> Michael Zwiers wrote:
> >
> Perhaps the Tremere learned a thing or two from the Assamites... like
> the ritual to lower one's generation permanently by mixing up Vitae of
> your own generation. Of course, the Councilors would not want to give
> that knowledge to any neonate and apprentice.
I always assumed the Assamites Stole the Ritual of the Tremere. (But there's
no cannon for that I just like the Idea.)
This is easily fixed by saying the Blood must be of a Different Clan.
> d) Find one worthless 8th gen non-Assamite vampire and take some of his
> blood (you may diablerize the rest, as a little appetizer. Grab a
> mortal. Suck mortal's blood, force dying mortal to drink the bloodpoint
> of the non-Assamite. *ping* Feed the newly created vampire with cheap
> human and animal blood. Kill neonate, use his 9th gen blood for your
> potions. Enjoy.
>
> e) If you have the fortune to lay your hands on some blood of lower than
> 8th gen (You asking me how? It's not me who is called the Thief of
> Bagdag, isn't it?), say from a 7th gen Camarilla elder/primogen. Use
> this blood to create an 8th gen vampire (see above, d) ) and do the
> old-fashioned diablerie on it. *ping* congrats, you are now 8th gen.
>
> f) If the blood happens to be even lower, say 5th gen, don't despair!
> Use it to create a 6th gen neonate, use part of _his_ blood (make sure
> you don't kill him) to create a 7th gen vampire (same here), use _his_
> blood to create an 8th gen vampire. Diablerize 8th gen neonate, then
> diablerize 7th gen neonate, then diablerize 6th gen neonate. *ping* You
> are now 6th gen. See? That wasn't so difficult. And all it took was one
> night and some hidden lab and 3 mortals who won't be missed anyway. Oh,
> and you can show off your black diablerie-streaks in your aura and boast
> to Assamites of the other gender about how many Camarilla pigs you
> sucked dry.
None of these Work, You can only embrace Directly from a Vampires Body.
> Of course, every true roleplayer should be retching in annoyance by now.
> But this IS how a player could and probably would exploit the way the
> ritual was written, after all, when you play an Assamite or Sabbat,
> lowering your generation by diablerie IS an accepted goal, isn't it? Who
> cares about all that angst-and-humanity-and-darkness stuff of the
> Camarilla? [*heavy sarcasm*]
Oh and in Time of Thin Blood there is a Assamite Ritual Called "From
Marduk's Throat" That Permently Lowers your Generation without any need of
Blood at All.
Alex.
Christina Waldeck
>
> None of these Work, You can only embrace Directly from a Vampires Body.
Really? Hm... Where is that written?
> > Of course, every true roleplayer should be retching in annoyance by now.
> > But this IS how a player could and probably would exploit the way the
> > ritual was written, after all, when you play an Assamite or Sabbat,
> > lowering your generation by diablerie IS an accepted goal, isn't it? Who
> > cares about all that angst-and-humanity-and-darkness stuff of the
> > Camarilla? [*heavy sarcasm*]
>
> Oh and in Time of Thin Blood there is a Assamite Ritual Called "From
> Marduk's Throat" That Permently Lowers your Generation without any need of
> Blood at All.
WHAT??
*yells in annoyance at the writer who came up with THAT munchkin twink
idea*
It's in Time of Thin Blood? Err, I own that supplement, but i never saw
that ritual... are you sure?
I guess i'll have to reread the supplement (at the moment it's loaned
out to a friend).
Thomas Weinbrenner
> Alexander Bateman wrote:
[...]
> > Oh and in Time of Thin Blood there is a Assamite Ritual Called "From
> > Marduk's Throat" That Permently Lowers your Generation without any need of
> > Blood at All.
>
> WHAT??
> *yells in annoyance at the writer who came up with THAT munchkin twink
> idea*
>
> It's in Time of Thin Blood? Err, I own that supplement, but i never saw
> that ritual... are you sure?
No, it's in Blood Magic: Secrets of Thaumaturgy
--
Thomas Weinbrenner
Christina Waldeck
(snip)
> >original 7, and some, like Abetorius, are childer of Etrius or
> >Meerlinda. They _might_ have gen 4 by now... that they started out as
> >gen 5 is very likely.
>
> And there is always Tremere himself, being of 3rd gen, who would just hand over
> his blood to all the council members to use the ritual to become 4th gens, and
> incidently bonding them to him, that's the most likely explination of how the
> origionals were 4th gens.
uh oh... another thought...
IF Tremere Himself ever created childer (and you know, IMO he never did,
because I think such a think would have been mentioned!), now that we
know....
oh wait
[SPOILER FOR Transylvania Chronicles IV]
.
.
.
.
.
now that we know that Saulot's soul shared Tremere's body with him all
those centuries, what kind of clan would such a child have been? A
Tremere? A Salubri? A Trilubri?
Perhaps that's why Tremere's blood was never used in clanbonding...
remember they only used the blood of the seven Councilors to clanbond
unruly clammembers or those potentially dangerous knowledge or powers.
And while the Councilors are rumored to be bloodbonded directly to
Tremere (or Tremere/Saulot?? No, Etrius, was loyal to Tremere alone in
TCIV), we never see any mention of a 4th gen as direct childe of ol'
Tremere. Maybe he didnt want to risk it.
Christina
Alexander Bateman
Thomas Weinbrenner <t.wein...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Oops.
Sorry.
Alex.
Samiel Spiral
>> >original 7, and some, like Abetorius, are childer of Etrius or
>> >Meerlinda. They _might_ have gen 4 by now... that they started out as
>> >gen 5 is very likely.
>> And there is always Tremere himself, being of 3rd gen, who would just hand
>over
>> his blood to all the council members to use the ritual to become 4th gens,
>and
>> incidently bonding them to him, that's the most likely explination of how
>the
>> origionals were 4th gens.
>uh oh... another thought...
>IF Tremere Himself ever created childer (and you know, IMO he never did,
>because I think such a think would have been mentioned!), now that we
>know....
>oh wait
>[SPOILER FOR Transylvania Chronicles IV]
>now that we know that Saulot's soul shared Tremere's body with him all
>those centuries, what kind of clan would such a child have been? A
>Tremere? A Salubri? A Trilubri?
Well the difference would really be negliable, after all neither clan had a
true weakness inhearant in their being. The Childe would be a 4th gen and would
be Tremere as that more then likely would have been his teacher or one of
Tremere's helpers.
>And while the Councilors are rumored to be bloodbonded directly to
>Tremere (or Tremere/Saulot?? No, Etrius, was loyal to Tremere alone in
>TCIV),
But then again it would seem that by this time the bonds to Tremere and the
Councilors were gone, and it was really just Etrius's devotion.
~Janus
SASA