Werewolf: the Wild West
The Saint of Killers
non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
(http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
Is this accurate?
SoK
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someone!
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>The Saint of Killers wrote:
>>
>> I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
>> non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
>> (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
>>
>> Is this accurate?
<BR> Someone I spoke to from WW, and i shall keep the name silent so as not to
get them in trouble, Said so.<BR>
mir...@lascruces.com
Dragon9 <Dra...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> The Saint of Killers wrote:
> >
> > I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
> > non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
> > (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
> >
> > Is this accurate?
>
> someone!
I'm pretty sure that the writer posted to the group a couple of months ago and
said it had been canceled. Fact, I believe the entire WW:tWW has been
discontinued (which is too bad, since I really liked the setting.) Might be
wrong, of course.
>
Matt Roberts
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discontinued by White Wolf.
The line has since (or perhaps before then) been handed over to Arthus along
with Changling: the Dreaming.
It was likely rescheduled (albeit at a later date) since then.
Disclaimer
---- running off of memory and rumors, so possibly innacurate---
The Saint of Killers wrote in message <369D33...@earthlink.net>...
>I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
>non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
>(http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
>
>Is this accurate?
>
>SoK
>
Justin R. Achilli
>
> I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
> non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
> (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
>
> Is this accurate?
Yep.
I had contracted James Moore for the book back when Wild West was still
a vital part of the White Wolf line. The line was subsequently retired,
but picked up by Arthaus.
Long story short: Mexico's a go.
Regards,
Justin
P.S. I believe it's being developed by Ethan.
--
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Kintaro Oe
>a vital part of the White Wolf line. The line was subsequently retired,
>but picked up by Arthaus.
>
>Long story short: Mexico's a go.
Moore's still on it as well? Great!
>
>Regards,
>Justin
>
>P.S. I believe it's being developed by Ethan.
good. : )
I like WW:tWW.
and for those with TNT, I think you should try to catch "Purgatory". A
bunch of bank robbers end up riding into Purgatory after a failed
heist when they are fleeing through a sandstorm. When they come upon a
town, a rather nice plot unfolds. Despite the happy ending.
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J Dyer
|> >I had contracted James Moore for the book back when Wild West was still
|> >a vital part of the White Wolf line. The line was subsequently retired,
|> >but picked up by Arthaus.
|> >
|> >Long story short: Mexico's a go.
|>
|> Moore's still on it as well? Great!
|>
|> >
|> >Regards,
|> >Justin
|> >
|> >P.S. I believe it's being developed by Ethan.
|>
|> good. : )
|>
|> I like WW:tWW.
Me too. Despite being beset by problems, some editorial (the choice of material
in the core rulebook making Frontier Secrets and Wild West Companion pretty much
necessities for play), some unforseen (Deadlands challenging for the same
market), I'd like to see the game survive. Good to hear that a new product is on
the cards.
My only problem is with the Arthaus imprint idea. I remember when Games Workshop
farmed out Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay to its Flame Publications imprint which
inevitably caused the death of that game until its resurrection by Hogshead
Games. I hope that doesn't happen to Changeling and Werewolf: the Wild West. I'd
rather see the games farmed out to small independent companies than to an
imprint which will have unreasonable budget strictures asked of it as GW did of
Flame.
Jim.
cor...@chronic.lpl.arizona.edu
"Justin R. Achilli" <jach...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The Saint of Killers wrote:
> >
> > I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
> > non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
> > (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
> >
> > Is this accurate?
>
> Yep.
>
> Long story short: Mexico's a go.
Ya know, I didn't like modern-day werewolf, and though I love the old-west
setting, I never bothered with Werewolf: Wild West. But if that sourcebook
is a good one, I might buy it anyway. Down here in Tucson, Mexican culture
is all around and it's absolutely fascinating. If done properly, it could be
absolutely incredible.
If done improperly, of course, it's merely par for the course.
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mir...@lascruces.com
"Justin R. Achilli" <jach...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The Saint of Killers wrote:
> >
> > I noticed 'Tales from the Trails: Mexico Sourcebook' mentioned on the
> > non-official White Wolf coming attractions guide
> > (http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/FAQ/WHEN.html).
> >
> > Is this accurate?
>
> Yep.
>
> a vital part of the White Wolf line. The line was subsequently retired,
> but picked up by Arthaus.
>
This is one of those few times I'm glad that I was wrong.
(And heres hoping they'll do an Iron Riders tribebook!)
>
> Regards,
> Justin
>
> P.S. I believe it's being developed by Ethan.
>
> --
> [Justin R. Achilli]
> [Author/Developer/Miscreant]
> [jach...@mindspring.com]
> "I would go out tonight, but
> I haven't got a stitch to wear."
> -- The Smiths, "This Charming Man"
>
Matt Roberts
-
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The Saint of Killers
> Long story short: Mexico's a go.
I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
tomes as Clanbook Giovanni, Clanbook Setites and World of Darkness :
Gypsies. As such, I offer the following new stats:
Beanermobile (new background)
The Beanermobile is a special kind of fetish used by Mexican werewolves.
It is a small, contained horseless wagon with a metal clotheshanger
sticking out from the front, and the letters P_CER written on the side.
The level of the Beanermobile determines just how many people can fit
into it.
x And ape, two tapes and a man made of blocks.
* You and your brother.
** You and your close family.
*** You and your 'posse'.
**** The city of Juaziero.
***** Three and a half LARPers, but the stench, my god!
Border Patrol Lore (new knowledge)
Border Patrol Lore represents the accumulated knowledge of years of
hiding from the border patrol as you sneak your way across the Rio
Grande to steal our GOOD AMERICAN JOBS!
* You know when not to run.
** You know a guy who can get you a passport. (It's for a Swedish man
named Hans, though.)
*** You know which trains are safe to sneak a ride on.
**** You know the names of all the dogs. (And their favorite treats.)
***** You could teach a class at the INS academy.
SoK
The previous post was not a racial slur, but was simply a poke at the
aforementioned WW suppliments. No flied lice jokes in Year of the Lotus,
fortunately. (Dammit. Me rikey flied lice.)
Ethan Skemp
>
>
> > Long story short: Mexico's a go.
>
> I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
> to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
> tomes as Clanbook Giovanni, Clanbook Setites and World of Darkness :
> Gypsies.
I don't do ethnic slams. Everybody's an asshole, in a sort of way that
transcends cultural boundaries.
Oh, in the book, I mean.
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
cor...@chronic.lpl.arizona.edu
stofk...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Justin R. Achilli wrote:
>
> > Long story short: Mexico's a go.
>
> I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
> to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
> tomes as Clanbook Giovanni, Clanbook Setites and World of Darkness :
You are a terrible, terrible, terrible person.
That's why I like you.
Seriously, ahem, (imagine very bland monotone voice, like reading from cue
cards): "Oh you bad people. A lot has changed in White Wolf games since then.
Look at the new Vampire book. It is so different. They are much better
about. Things like this now. Give it a chance. You guys are so mean. You
should be nice. Especially to people from White Wolf. They work hard."
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Nuwisha420
a previous source book. They would make for good NPC's in a Mexico setting.
Kokopelli-Laughs-at-Fools
Robert Scott Martin
Nuwisha420 <nuwis...@aol.com> wrote:
>Maybe it'll say more about the "Infeelies" They seemed to interest me a bit in
>a previous source book. They would make for good NPC's in a Mexico setting.
Hmm, that would be cool. Jim...?
Justin R. Achilli
>
> Justin R. Achilli wrote:
>
> > Long story short: Mexico's a go.
>
> I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
> to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
> tomes as Clanbook Giovanni,
That was the point. All the prejudice was in-character.
God forbid vampires be something other than _nice_ or politically
correct.
> As such, I offer the following new stats:
>
> Beanermobile (new background)
>
> The Beanermobile is a special kind of fetish used by Mexican werewolves.
> It is a small, contained horseless wagon with a metal clotheshanger
> sticking out from the front, and the letters P_CER written on the side.
> The level of the Beanermobile determines just how many people can fit
> into it.
>
> x And ape, two tapes and a man made of blocks.
> * You and your brother.
> ** You and your close family.
> *** You and your 'posse'.
> **** The city of Juaziero.
> ***** Three and a half LARPers, but the stench, my god!
>
> Border Patrol Lore (new knowledge)
>
> Border Patrol Lore represents the accumulated knowledge of years of
> hiding from the border patrol as you sneak your way across the Rio
> Grande to steal our GOOD AMERICAN JOBS!
>
> * You know when not to run.
> ** You know a guy who can get you a passport. (It's for a Swedish man
> named Hans, though.)
> *** You know which trains are safe to sneak a ride on.
> **** You know the names of all the dogs. (And their favorite treats.)
> ***** You could teach a class at the INS academy.
Ooh, I've got one.
Net Pundit (New Background)
Net Pundit is a twisted form of Status, but rather than being predicated
on merit or social ability, it relies on ignorance, limited cogency and
prolific posting. Net Pundit is a tricky Background, as it comes into
use only in cold, dark rooms lit by CRT monitors and far from other
people, who often mock Net Pundits' physical declivities or inability to
communicate face-to-face.
* You know your opinions are, in truth, facts.
** You loiter in chatrooms and newsgroups, spouting incendiary screed in
order to garner the attention your parents never gave you "IRL."
*** You have adopted a self-indulgent or paraliterary online handle.
**** You post followups to others' ideas immediately, going for the
"quantity over quality" and because, what the hell, it's not like you
have anything _real_ to do.
***** You have put behind you such pointless trappings as courtesy,
comprehension of the topics you discuss, understanding that others'
ideas are equally as valid as your own, and the ability to distinguish
connotation from denotation.
NOTE: Characters acquiring the Net Pundit background should adjust their
Perceived Human Worth by multiplying their Actual Human Worth by the
level of Net Pundit they have achieved. After all, they know how much
they contribute to the matter at hand -- it's everyone _else_ who's
stupid.
> The previous post was not a racial slur, but was simply a poke at the
> aforementioned WW suppliments. No flied lice jokes in Year of the Lotus,
> fortunately. (Dammit. Me rikey flied lice.)
The fact that you had to say this to us is indicative of something
larger.
Regards,
Justin
The Saint of Killers
> > Justin R. Achilli wrote:
> >
> > > Long story short: Mexico's a go.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
> > to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
> > Gypsies. As such, I offer the following new stats:
>
> You are a terrible, terrible, terrible person.
>
> That's why I like you.
Us net pundits must stick together.
SoK
Erik Stutzman
Justin R. Achilli wrote in message <36A0F8AD...@mindspring.com>...
>The Saint of Killers wrote:
>>
>> Justin R. Achilli wrote:
>>
>> > Long story short: Mexico's a go.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to a treatment of the peoples and culture of Mexico
>> to rival the ethnic sensitivity White Wolf has demonstrated in such fine
>> tomes as Clanbook Giovanni,
>
>That was the point. All the prejudice was in-character.
>
>God forbid vampires be something other than _nice_ or politically
>correct.
What about the other books mentioned, like Gypsies? Was that all IC?
[snipped snide comments from everyone]
>> The previous post was not a racial slur, but was simply a poke at the
>> aforementioned WW suppliments. No flied lice jokes in Year of the Lotus,
>> fortunately. (Dammit. Me rikey flied lice.)
>
>The fact that you had to say this to us is indicative of something
>larger.
>
>Regards,
>Justin
Didn't you make a similar statement in the Giovanni book? Are you saying
that the poster used a disclaimer because of the NG's perceived opinion of
him before now (IOW he seems like a bigot) or because he's protecting
himself from morons (like you felt you had to)?
Justin R. Achilli
> >That was the point. All the prejudice was in-character.
> >
> >God forbid vampires be something other than _nice_ or politically
> >correct.
>
> What about the other books mentioned, like Gypsies? Was that all IC?
I didn't write them, nor did I work on them, so I feel no particular
compunction to comment there.
> >> The previous post was not a racial slur, but was simply a poke at the
> >> aforementioned WW suppliments. No flied lice jokes in Year of the Lotus,
> >> fortunately. (Dammit. Me rikey flied lice.)
> >
> >The fact that you had to say this to us is indicative of something
> >larger.
> Didn't you make a similar statement in the Giovanni book? Are you saying
> that the poster used a disclaimer because of the NG's perceived opinion of
> him before now (IOW he seems like a bigot) or because he's protecting
> himself from morons (like you felt you had to)?
My Giovanni book didn't attack someone for (incorrect, BTW)
insensitivity and then proceed to be insensitive. It was written from
the point of view of an insensitive character, and I included the
disclaimer to make that plain.
Il Santo then came after me decrying the book as insensitive (hmm...
must not have read the disclaimer, but then, I suspect he doesn't read
everything on which he comments, as he has stated in other threads).
After he slandered my book, he then proceeded to do the exact same
thing. That's either stupidity or double standard, and the Saint isn't
stupid.
Additionally, I'm none to enthusiastic about the double standard,
either. Just because I do this as a profession doesn't mean I have to
take the abuse of every filth-dwelling cretin who fancies himself a
Johnsonian wit. Any individual is entirely capable of liking or
disliking any given book, and that opinion has no quantifiable relation
to a book's quality. If you said, "Book X sucks because I didn't like
it," I could reply with equal validity, "You suck because I don't like
you."
The Saint of Killers
> Il Santo then came after me decrying the book as insensitive (hmm...
> must not have read the disclaimer, but then, I suspect he doesn't read
> everything on which he comments, as he has stated in other threads).
Enough of -that-, Mister Achilli.
I said that I had not read all of Vampire Revised. Later, I specifically
noted that I hadn't read the prose bits at the beginning, but that I had
read through all of the systems changes. If you continue to hold that in
the setting information there are important systems caveats, then I -do-
apologize. However, I was writing an essay on problems I found with the
systems, not problems I found with the setting. I didn't write "oh, and
having the Koy-djinn popping in in the west is stupid" and then say "I
didn't actually read that part, I just made an assumption". It's the
difference between pointing out a mathematical error without having
actually been on a train leaving from Boston at 2:30 am going at
fifty-five miles an hour.
> After he slandered my book, he then proceeded to do the exact same
> thing. That's either stupidity or double standard, and the Saint isn't
> stupid.
It was parody, Justin. I was parodying insensitivity, I was parodying
the need for disclaimers, and I was parodying immediate accusations. I'm
pretty sure that two of the three responses 'got it', unless Ethan and
Corley were hiding their pain. I'm sorry that you took what I said so
seriously. Giovanni clanbook? Not my favorite, but I don't fault it
because I don't like the way it portrays Italians.
SoK
"The gravest insult you can offer to any ethnic group is the truth." Det
Munsch
cor...@chronic.lpl.arizona.edu
stofk...@earthlink.net wrote:
> It was parody, Justin. I was parodying insensitivity, I was parodying
> the need for disclaimers, and I was parodying immediate accusations. I'm
> pretty sure that two of the three responses 'got it', unless Ethan and
> Corley were hiding their pain.
I was hiding my pain, but it had nothing to do with your post.
Nuwisha420
Well not anymore. Now it's arguing. Just make some characters and duke it out.
No cheating.
Kokopelli-Laughs-at-Fools
Ethan Skemp
>
> In article <36A3A7...@earthlink.net>,
> stofk...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > It was parody, Justin. I was parodying insensitivity, I was parodying
> > the need for disclaimers, and I was parodying immediate accusations. I'm
> > pretty sure that two of the three responses 'got it', unless Ethan and
> > Corley were hiding their pain.
>
> I was hiding my pain, but it had nothing to do with your post.
I have more hidden pain than you do. Except on Saturdays.
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
cor...@chronic.lpl.arizona.edu
Justin R. Achilli
: cor...@chronic.lpl.arizona.edu wrote:
: >
: > In article <36A3A7...@earthlink.net>,
: > stofk...@earthlink.net wrote:
: >
: > > It was parody, Justin. I was parodying insensitivity, I was parodying
: > > the need for disclaimers, and I was parodying immediate accusations. I'm
: > > pretty sure that two of the three responses 'got it', unless Ethan and
: > > Corley were hiding their pain.
: >
: > I was hiding my pain, but it had nothing to do with your post.
:
: I have more hidden pain than you do. Except on Saturdays.
Guys, what are you talking about? Huh? Hey, guys...? Guys!
Dammit.
J
[Justin R. Achilli]
[Vampire: The Masquerade Developer]
[White Wolf Game Studio]
[jach...@white-wolf.com - www.white-wolf.com]
"They had names such as Dracon, Ahor, Mangelred, and Blutong"
-- Tom Wolfe, _The Bonfire of the Vanities_
Brandon Quina
>
> WWGS
What happens on Saturdays??
Brandon,
in no way affiliated with WWGS
Brandon Quina
>
> Dammit.
This is the WEREWOLF thread. We don't want you sissy vampire
people around here. Go 'way.
Brandon,
who is, by the way, just kidding.
Ethan Skemp
>
> > I have more hidden pain than you do. Except on Saturdays.
> >
> > Ethan Skemp
> > WWGS
>
> What happens on Saturdays??
A combination of getting to sleep in and eating lunch at the delicious,
balm-for-the-soul Monterrey restaurant just around the corner. The
combination of warm, light chips and tasty salsa, followed by honest
Mexican fare, is enough to assuage the inner torment that wracks the
lightless core of my wretched soul. Sometimes I even get the afternoon
off, too.
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Justin R. Achilli
<alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
: > What happens on Saturdays??
:
: A combination of getting to sleep in and eating lunch at the delicious,
: balm-for-the-soul Monterrey restaurant just around the corner. The
: combination of warm, light chips and tasty salsa, followed by honest
: Mexican fare, is enough to assuage the inner torment that wracks the
: lightless core of my wretched soul. Sometimes I even get the afternoon
: off, too.
Plus, no dealing with Justin usually.
Foo Fighter
Ratspaw
Brandon Quina wrote:
> This is the WEREWOLF thread. We don't want you sissy vampire
> people around here. Go 'way.
Hey, Ethan's as werewolfy as it gets.
Ratspaw
The humble rat stands as proof that survival of the
fittest is about so much more than mere strength.
Brandon Quina
> > people around here. Go 'way.
>
> Hey, Ethan's as werewolfy as it gets.
Yeah, but Justin's vampirey. ::nodsnodsnods::
Ethan Skemp
Yeah. He has piercings. So he's Goth. And a vampire.
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Justin R. Achilli
<alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
: > > Hey, Ethan's as werewolfy as it gets.
: >
: > Yeah, but Justin's vampirey. ::nodsnodsnods::
:
: Yeah. He has piercings. So he's Goth. And a vampire.
Silence, rustic. You drive an American pickup truck.
Marizhavashti Kali
>
> Brandon Quina wrote:
> >
> > > > This is the WEREWOLF thread. We don't want you sissy vampire
> > > > people around here. Go 'way.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, but Justin's vampirey. ::nodsnodsnods::
>
> Yeah. He has piercings. So he's Goth. And a vampire.
Does he wear rolled up black jeans? Has he pierced his skull?
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
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Ratspaw
Achilli) wrote:
>: Yeah. He has piercings. So he's Goth. And a vampire.
>Silence, rustic. You drive an American pickup truck.
<DING> In this corner, weighing in at an undisclosed number of
pounds... :)
Nuwisha420
b) a Redcap. heh heh heh
Kokopelli-Laughs-at-Fools
Sir Ole
have never been the Storyteller befor and i am having trouble writing an
adventure I have four players Thank you
Kallini
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Nuwisha420
ties, n such.
Kokopelli-Laughs-at-Fools
The Saint of Killers
Hey, don't talk about Werewolf the Wild West here! This thread is all
about funny Goth jokes!
SoK
Ratspaw
<looks left, looks right, turns and looks behind> The WWtWWers seem
to have abandoned the thread. I don't see any, anyway. Might as well
use it for something.