Happy New Year
Graham Brown
New Year.
Now that that's out of the way, on to my first post of 2002. Everyone go
grab your copy of the Guide to the Traditions. Now look at the picture on
the cover. On the left side, there's a gothy-lookin' long-haired brunette
with a pair of goggles, a V.A. symbol on her shoulder, a pistol, and some
pretty tight-fitting clothing. She's standing at not quite 90 degrees from
the plane of the cover, but we can all see both of her legs and both of her
shoulders. The trouble is, she only seems to have one boob. Am I the only
one who notices this?
G.B.
--
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Asmodai
CainsCurse
Devin
Cains...@aol.com
"Cain, you must know, of course, of the Cainites?"
"Can't say that I do..."
Neil Gaiman, "The Sandman: Season of Mists"
GarmFang
Happy New Year!
</delurk>
Stephenls
*Stephenls lunges, but fails to grab the lurker before he dives back
under his [thing that lurkers hide under]*
Hey! Come back out here! No fair mooching off the rest of the
conversation without contributing to it!
It's easy. Start with an introduction or something, say what games you
play and what lines you collect. If you want to get really ambitious,
you can do a "My Shelf Is Bigger Than Yours" post, saying which books
you /own/. After that, further conversation is easier.
Puleeeeze? This newsgroup /really/ needs more traffic. Why, I remember
when...
*Stephenls dissolves into incoherent nostalgia*
--
Stephenls
Geek
We wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for your stupid evil.
--Jhonen Vasquez
Nimrod Jones
Nimrod...
Brian R. Boyko
"Graham Brown" <gtcb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:trkY7.10309$li.2...@read1.cgocable.net...
> Hey, wherever in the world you are, I hope you've had a happy and healthy
> New Year.
>
> Now that that's out of the way, on to my first post of 2002. Everyone go
> grab your copy of the Guide to the Traditions. Now look at the picture on
> the cover. On the left side, there's a gothy-lookin' long-haired brunette
> with a pair of goggles, a V.A. symbol on her shoulder, a pistol, and some
> pretty tight-fitting clothing. She's standing at not quite 90 degrees
from
> the plane of the cover, but we can all see both of her legs and both of
her
> shoulders. The trouble is, she only seems to have one boob. Am I the
only
> one who notices this?
>
> G.B.
I don't have it in front of me, but from the way you describe it - she could
just be at an odd angle with her torso twisted.
Brian.
Asmodai
> conversation without contributing to it!
>
> It's easy. Start with an introduction or something, say what games you
> play and what lines you collect. If you want to get really ambitious,
> you can do a "My Shelf Is Bigger Than Yours" post, saying which books
> you /own/. After that, further conversation is easier.
>
Well in that case, hello :)
I've started reading usenet posts again after a long time and have included
a.g.ww in my subscribe list...
I've been reading for about a month and it ain't bad :) You probably noticed
i posted some posts by now...
I play Werewolf & Vampire, and collect their books (No i cannot compete with
the others :)) I've been playing D&D but i find it shallow & boring in
comparison with WOD games... I prefer Werewolf...
And yes i love the Year of the Lotus supplements :)
After trekking the web, speaking with a couple of friends and reading about
the Technocracy...
What should i get of the books if i want to start playing Mage?
I've heard that the 2nd ed is better then revised but i don't know where to
start...
--
Asmodai
Interrogator chaplain of the Ravenwing
"... I will save your soul even if you die in the process."
Stephenls
> Well in that case, hello :)
> I've started reading usenet posts again after a long time and have
> included a.g.ww in my subscribe list...
> I've been reading for about a month and it ain't bad :) You probably
> noticed i posted some posts by now...
Yes, in The Misbegotten Thread. Oh, well.
> I play Werewolf & Vampire, and collect their books (No i cannot
> compete with the others :)) I've been playing D&D but i find it
> shallow & boring in comparison with WOD games... I prefer Werewolf...
HEY! Don't go knocking D&D!
^_^
No, seriously, I understand where you're coming from even if I don't
agree.
> And yes i love the Year of the Lotus supplements :)
As do I. There really hasn't been any bad Lotus supplements released,
although I speak as someone who hasn't read all of them (just most).
> After trekking the web, speaking with a couple of friends and reading
> about the Technocracy...
> What should i get of the books if i want to start playing Mage?
> I've heard that the 2nd ed is better then revised but i don't know
> where to start...
That really depends on what you want out of it.
Honestly, as much as I'd like to say otherwise, you should probably
start with Revised. For more info on the Techs, pick up Guide to the
Technocracy.
Still, M2nd is a good book, and if you can find a copy for cheap I'd
advise picking it up.
How much do you care about metaplot and canon?
Shane T. Graves
healthy
> > New Year.
Feliz navi-dah!
> > Now that that's out of the way, on to my first post of 2002. Everyone
go
> > grab your copy of the Guide to the Traditions. Now look at the picture
on
> > the cover. On the left side, there's a gothy-lookin' long-haired
brunette
> > with a pair of goggles, a V.A. symbol on her shoulder, a pistol, and
some
> > pretty tight-fitting clothing. She's standing at not quite 90 degrees
> from
> > the plane of the cover, but we can all see both of her legs and both of
> her
> > shoulders. The trouble is, she only seems to have one boob. Am I the
> only
> > one who notices this?
I noticed, but being homosexual, decided not to care about her booby. Which
is also rather round. I do believe it is a flotation device of some sort.
Oh...and I'm sorry...I'm SICK of those "I have long blonde hair and dress
angelicly" Celestial Chorus men. I think the reason people don't like the
Celestial Chorus is that there aren't any cool pictures of them out there.
> I don't have it in front of me, but from the way you describe it - she
could
> just be at an odd angle with her torso twisted.
Nope. She has one booby.
Stephenls
> Nope. She has one booby.
Actually, I'm looking at the picture right now. She's standing sideways
with her head turned. The left breast is visible and the right breast
is presumably behind it. This would indicate some significant size
difference, though.
It's not my favorite picture, for reasons unrelated to that. I wish
they'd commissioned Shy or something.
Asmodai
worlds... any supplements with major plots to look at?
Year of the lotus
KOE, Hengeyokai & Demon Hunter X... that's what i read and i love it :)
Stephenls
> Well i'd like to know as much as I can but ultimately i make my own
> worlds... any supplements with major plots to look at?
Well, after the corebook, Tales of Magick: Dark Adventure is quite
good. It uses the second edition ruleset, but it's easy to convert if
you chose to start with MRev.
And see if you can dig up a copy of Beyond the Barriers: The Book of
Worlds.
> Year of the lotus
> KOE, Hengeyokai & Demon Hunter X... that's what i read and i love it
> :)
I would also recommend Dharma-book: Devil Tiger. It's The Splatbook
Against Which All Other Splatbooks Are Judged, for one, and the info
contained within is almost a necessity if you want a portrayal of the
Devils of Heaven as more than snarling psychopaths.
Nimrod Jones
news:3C3243D5...@shaw.ca...
> "Shane T. Graves" wrote:
>
> > Nope. She has one booby.
>
> Actually, I'm looking at the picture right now. She's standing sideways
> with her head turned. The left breast is visible and the right breast
> is presumably behind it. This would indicate some significant size
> difference, though.
Perhaps she's a neo-Amazonian woman. They used to cut off their right
breasts so that they could better and quickly draw their bows. Of course,
with laser guns (et al) the reasoning behind this in a contemporary setting
seems a little odd, but hey. There could be some twisted logic behind it for
anyone who wants to contrive it.
Nimrod...
Nimrod Jones
>
> I would also recommend Dharma-book: Devil Tiger. It's The Splatbook
> Against Which All Other Splatbooks Are Judged, for one, and the info
> contained within is almost a necessity if you want a portrayal of the
> Devils of Heaven as more than snarling psychopaths.
Arg! You just reminded me that I need to read that book... soon. I'm playing
a Devil Tiger in an upcoming KOE game set in Japan. I'm very reluctant to
have him as the typical psycho, but I do want to lend some of the Japanese
flavour to his character: a member of one of those infamous Japanese biker
gangs, the only rite he knows is the one that allows him to create Bakémono,
with which he (OK, *I*) wants to create a Bakémono biker gang to exact his
vengeance on those responsible for his death. At the heart of it, however, I
want to portray a more complex character. This is, surprisingly (or maybe
not), the first vaguely combat-style character that I'll have played,
usually opting for the less grunt 'n' kill orientated concepts -- even my
Exalted character wasn't a fighter (and yes, found that out the hard
[bloodied, clawing, crawling hand away from the battle, playing dead] way
many a time).
Nimrod...
Mekhet
I would delurk more often, but much of what I have to say is already
mirrored by the time I get around to posting. The past month or so has been
hectic, with my being home before 3am occurring only 25% of the time.
This'll be the first night in about 2 weeks that I haven't gone out...[1]
Besides the monthly breach of the Things That Shall Not Be Posted In A.G.WW,
many of the conversations have indeed suffered from a lack of traffic. It
just seems that things have dwindled to the "hanging by a thread" point. [2]
--
Mekhet the Tech-God
[1]...but the night is still young
[2] oooh, oooh, I've got a New Year's resolution: to post more
often...wonder how long that'll last [3]
[3] likely longer than my friends' resolutions to quit smoking [4]
[4] though I do support them, I really do...but optimism the second, third,
and fourth times around is hard to come by
Kane Motri
wrote:
>Well in that case, hello :)
heya!
hey everybody, a sacrifice-vic^H^H^Hnewbie!!
>I play Werewolf & Vampire, and collect their books (No i cannot compete with
>the others :)) I've been playing D&D but i find it shallow & boring in
>comparison with WOD games... I prefer Werewolf...
Well, it all depends on the Storyteller... (or Dungeon Master)..
but, you're right, 'Storyteller' sounds mor b4d @$$ :)
>And yes i love the Year of the Lotus supplements :)
You should read Blood & Silk [5]. It's great...
>After trekking the web, speaking with a couple of friends and reading about
>the Technocracy...
>What should i get of the books if i want to start playing Mage?
I know next to nothing about Mage, but I suppose that if you want to
create your own worlds and stuff (as read in one of your postings),
the core book would be enough. I heard that Sorcerer Revised is good,
but I didn't have a chance to check it out yet.
(Actually I didn't read the core book either ;p)
>I've heard that the 2nd ed is better then revised but i don't know where to
>start...
It depends wether you like to be called a "troll" for sticking with
2nd or a "White Wolf-sucker" for going with Revised...
(NO, THAT'S NOT SERIOUS.... heck, I don't know anything about either
Mage)
>--
>Asmodai
>Interrogator chaplain of the Ravenwing
>"... I will save your soul even if you die in the process."
am I right, when I assume that that Ravenwing is like in "Dark
Angels-Ravenwing"?
Kane, who wrote the rest of the post, just as an excuse to ask this
one question [1][4]
--
"The time of Kane and Bob is near!"
- Wiley Bob @alt.games.whitewolf
[1] I just realised, that I've read almost none of the books you
or I wrote about... :) [2]
[2] Not, that it bothers me. I'm happy with my un-read Changeling
colleciton.....[3]
[3] It's my first foot note using. Do I do it right?
[4] Just noticed that almost my whole posting is pointless
bullshit. Maybe I should go to bed.....
[5] I've read this one... REALLY!
Shane T. Graves
> > Actually, I'm looking at the picture right now. She's standing sideways
> > with her head turned. The left breast is visible and the right breast
> > is presumably behind it. This would indicate some significant size
> > difference, though.
That's just the same as one booby in my mind. Mind you, I'm not exactly the
expert when it comes to breasts.
> Perhaps she's a neo-Amazonian woman. They used to cut off their right
> breasts so that they could better and quickly draw their bows. Of course,
> with laser guns (et al) the reasoning behind this in a contemporary
setting
> seems a little odd, but hey. There could be some twisted logic behind it
for
> anyone who wants to contrive it.
But, her left one is the one that's missing.
Stephenls
> I would delurk more often, but much of what I have to say is already
> mirrored by the time I get around to posting.
That's OK. Saying the same thing someone else already said, but in your
own words, is fine. How often are simple little turns of phrase or
minor points spun off into completely different threads. Just look at
the abomination that was produced when Richard Clayton replied to some
spam and mentioned ghouled bees.
> The past month or so has been hectic, with my being home before 3am
> occurring only 25% of the time. This'll be the first night in about 2
> weeks that I haven't gone out...[1] Besides the monthly breach of the
> Things That Shall Not Be Posted In A.G.WW, many of the conversations
> have indeed suffered from a lack of traffic. It just seems that
> things have dwindled to the "hanging by a thread" point. [2]
Well, yes. But we don't want it to progress from "hanging by a thread"
to "the thread has snapped", now do we?
> [1]...but the night is still young
> [2] oooh, oooh, I've got a New Year's resolution: to post more
> often...wonder how long that'll last [3]
> [3] likely longer than my friends' resolutions to quit smoking [4]
> [4] though I do support them, I really do...but optimism the second,
> third, and fourth times around is hard to come by
--
Stephenls
"Overquotings R Us"
Sean Riley
> It's not my favorite picture, for reasons unrelated to that. I wish
> they'd commissioned Shy or something.
God no. I remember Mage Revised's stuff, and while we're at it, the Guide to
the Technocracy's before that.
David Leri, maybe.
Cheers,
Sean.
President of the Anti-Shy Society.
Brandon Quina
> breasts so that they could better and quickly draw their bows. Of course,
> with laser guns (et al) the reasoning behind this in a contemporary
setting
> seems a little odd, but hey. There could be some twisted logic behind it
for
> anyone who wants to contrive it.
Maybe she suffered from Breast Cancer and had surgery? I can actually see
an interesting Mage-ly concept in that kind of deal, seeing the
psychological effects that particular surgery can have on a person and the
desire to reconnect with your feminitity. Instead of grieving, you discover
some kind of inner female power and Awaken.
Stephenls
> God no. I remember Mage Revised's stuff, and while we're at it, the
> Guide to the Technocracy's before that.
Yes. And I'd like him to continue the trend. I much prefer Shy to,
say, Leif Jones.
> David Leri, maybe.
Who?
> President of the Anti-Shy Society.
Well, I think that the Society is misguided. To say the least.
SFryar
Hope we'll have some great new game books from WW to talk about here! :)
Stephie
"Don't think you are - know you are."
Morpheus---The Matrix
Vis Sierra
> "Shane T. Graves" wrote:
> > Nope. She has one booby.
What a thread to start the new year...in front of the newbies and
everything.
> Actually, I'm looking at the picture right now. She's standing sideways
> with her head turned. The left breast is visible and the right breast
> is presumably behind it. This would indicate some significant size
> difference, though.
It may be a Paradox Flaw. Using magic to perform third-person
action-adventure game stunts, the Virtual Adept character will
gradually begin to look like Lara Croft - one spline at a time.
> It's not my favorite picture, for reasons unrelated to that. I wish
> they'd commissioned Shy or something.
I think it would have been a plus to make it match the Guide to
the Technocracy (and the Book of Madness), just as the Guide to
the Camarilla and Guide to the Sabbat match in their cover art.
Vis Sierra
Stephenls
> I think it would have been a plus to make it match the Guide to
> the Technocracy (and the Book of Madness), just as the Guide to
> the Camarilla and Guide to the Sabbat match in their cover art.
Unfortunately, that would not have been possible, as the GttTechs and
the BoM don't have matching cover art.
Still, I will continue to promote Christopher Shy as The Mage Art Guy.
Especially now that they've gotten him to lay off the facial tattoos
[1].
[1] Yes, I know. That comment is three years too late. I don't care.
Kane Motri
wrote:
>Vis Sierra wrote:
>
>> I think it would have been a plus to make it match the Guide to
>> the Technocracy (and the Book of Madness), just as the Guide to
>> the Camarilla and Guide to the Sabbat match in their cover art.
>
>Unfortunately, that would not have been possible, as the GttTechs and
>the BoM don't have matching cover art.
>
>Still, I will continue to promote Christopher Shy as The Mage Art Guy.
>Especially now that they've gotten him to lay off the facial tattoos
>[1].
Chris Shy is the guy (hey that rhymes!) that did the
Character-portaits in the Revised Vampire Clanbooks, isn't he? If so,
then I comepletly agree with you.
Otherwise, THAT is imho the Mage Art Guy.. (although, I keep repeating
myself, I have never read a Mage book) He hast that flurry (you know
what I mean) strangeness that I associate with Mage.....
>[1] Yes, I know. That comment is three years too late. I don't care.
Hey, at least you did comment it...
btw, I never saw facial tatoos did by him, since I wasn't playing WW
games 3 years ago..... did I miss anything?
Kane
Katherine F.
<thebl...@prodigy.net> typed into his/her/its computer the
following:
Maybe she's left-handed?
--
Katherine F. Diary: http://puritybrown.diaryland.com/
"According to official Camarilla doctrine, the Sabbat does not exist....
Needless to say, expounding on this question of logistics while a Sabbat
pack is pouring into your haven, guns blazing, is about as effective a
defensive tactic as putting a bag over your head and shouting, 'Nanny
nanny boo boo.'" -- _Guide to the Camarilla_
Francois Gombault
wrote:
> Still, I will continue to promote Christopher Shy as The Mage Art Guy.
> Especially now that they've gotten him to lay off the facial tattoos
> [1].
>
> [1] Yes, I know. That comment is three years too late. I don't care.
More largely outdated question :
Why did they drop Tim Bradstreet ? I love his artwork for Vampire, err,
1st ed ? And the cover of the Setite clanbook, oh my... :p~
Anyway, what happened to him ?
Francois
PS:
Happy New Year, everyone !
PPS:
Oh yeah, I almost forgot :
I'm Francois, from France. (crowd: *Hello Francois!*)
I play Vampire and Mage. (doctor: "Good...")
I own 7 books. (crowd holds breath in horror. doctor: "oh.")
Gieljan de Vries
Stephenls wrote:
> GarmFang wrote:
>
> > <delurk>
> > Happy New Year!
> > </delurk>
>
> *Stephenls lunges, but fails to grab the lurker before he dives back
> under his [thing that lurkers hide under]*
>
> Hey! Come back out here! No fair mooching off the rest of the
> conversation without contributing to it!
[Gieljan kicks open the door, letting bright, hurtful sunlight enter the
Lurker's cellar.]
"Rest assured, citizen Stephenls, we'll apprehend your Lurker."
[pulls impossibly large quantum-etheric nodal interference*) blaster from
Poke-Cthulhu-backpack and hoses down the room]
Uhm...
Where'd he go?
Anyway, happy new year to all of you! It seems Google hasn't delivered the
post I made on december 25th yet. Whups.
> Puleeeeze? This newsgroup /really/ needs more traffic. Why, I remember
> when...
>
> *Stephenls dissolves into incoherent nostalgia*
[does the dance-of-harano]
Stephenls! Buddy! Get a grip! Write! Post!
Gieljan
*) Ask Richard. I'm busy blasting.
Today I wear these chains and am /here/.
Tomorrow I shall be fetterless, /but where/?
-Edgar Allan Poe, The Imp of the Perverse
===========================================
Spectre seeks mortal host to possess and start Oblivion
cult. Give me the use of your body and in return I'll pump
you full of my raging hate for all that lives.
'Coldheart'
From: the Oblivion Connection, by Richard Clayton
Kane Motri
<dvr...@phys.uu.nl> wrote:
>
>
>Stephenls wrote:
>
>> GarmFang wrote:
>>
>> > <delurk>
>> > Happy New Year!
>> > </delurk>
>>
>> *Stephenls lunges, but fails to grab the lurker before he dives back
>> under his [thing that lurkers hide under]*
>>
>> Hey! Come back out here! No fair mooching off the rest of the
>> conversation without contributing to it!
>
>[Gieljan kicks open the door, letting bright, hurtful sunlight enter the
>Lurker's cellar.]
>"Rest assured, citizen Stephenls, we'll apprehend your Lurker."
>[pulls impossibly large quantum-etheric nodal interference*) blaster from
>Poke-Cthulhu-backpack and hoses down the room]
>*) Ask Richard. I'm busy blasting.
*asks Richard*
Jonas Schmidt
I'm used to being the silent lurker. When I'm reading news I'm almost
every time much too tired to post. Working in a hospital can sap your
strength....
It's also a bit tiring that there is not much constructive going on
here....
Greetings!
P.S.: I and GarmFang are identical.
Shane T. Graves
> >> breasts so that they could better and quickly draw their bows. Of
course,
> >> with laser guns (et al) the reasoning behind this in a contemporary
> >setting
> >> seems a little odd, but hey. There could be some twisted logic behind
it
> >for
> >> anyone who wants to contrive it.
> >
> >But, her left one is the one that's missing.
>
> Maybe she's left-handed?
I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I am the only left
handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out "Oh my
God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
Hmmm...a left handed, post-Amazonian Virtual Adept? What are the chances of
THAT?
Shane T. Graves
> Sean Riley wrote:
> > God no. I remember Mage Revised's stuff, and while we're at it, the
> > Guide to the Technocracy's before that.
> Yes. And I'd like him to continue the trend. I much prefer Shy to,
> say, Leif Jones.
> > David Leri, maybe.
> Who?
Look at the the story in Mage Revised that is before the table of contents.
David Leri did that...and I might say, quite well. He's probably my
favorite artist White Wolf is using right now.
> > President of the Anti-Shy Society.
> Well, I think that the Society is misguided. To say the least.
I don't know. The signature pics for Mage Revised aren't that great.
Though his stuff in CB: Setite and MtR are very sexy.
Clogar
>
[snip]
> left handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out
> "Oh my God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
Pretty close. Natural selection tells us that, in time, all
the left-handed people will die off and only the superior right-handed
people will be around. That's why the right-handed people made such
wonderful products as right-handed scissors, right-handed gear-shifts,
and (my favorite) right-handed ergonomic mice for computers - they
wanted to speed up the process. ];) You're a dying breed, man.
Kevin
> Puleeeeze? This newsgroup /really/ needs more traffic. Why, I remember
> when...
Not that you were speakin' to me, but if you *insist*...
I bought Adventure! as a Christmas gift for my roommate. And, of course,
before giving it to him I had to spend frog-knows-how-many hours reading it
myself.
Once again, any game that includes giant robots, dinosaurs, and carnivorous
ape-men in it's appendix /has/ to get a thumbs-up grade.
The 'mate is a big Call of Cthulu fan, and now he's despairing about whether
or not he should run a prohibition-era street chronicle game of Adventure!
or CoC. The torment is amusing to see. <insert evil laugh here>
One thing. How come no one mentioned Bruce Willis' "Last Man Standing" in
the source material? I would've thought that a two-fisted, guns a-blazin'
tale of prohibition mafia war couldn't get more pulp-y.
I mean, after all, when Bruce shoots people in that movie, they go flying
about twenty feet from a single shot. If that's not screaming 'daredevil', I
don't know what is. :)
Regards,
Kevin
P.S. Happy new year.
Stephenls
> More largely outdated question :
> Why did they drop Tim Bradstreet ? I love his artwork for Vampire,
> err, 1st ed ? And the cover of the Setite clanbook, oh my... :p~
> Anyway, what happened to him ?
You know, I have no idea.
Likely, we won't /ever/ know. Either it's something boring, like he
stopped doing that style of art or wanted to concentrate on something
else, or it's something personal like a dispute with WW, in which case
it's not really our business.
I agree, though. He really helped define the early WoD image, back when
it was largely /about/ image.
> PS:
> Happy New Year, everyone !
Back at you.
> PPS:
> Oh yeah, I almost forgot :
> I'm Francois, from France. (crowd: *Hello Francois!*)
> I play Vampire and Mage. (doctor: "Good...")
> I own 7 books. (crowd holds breath in horror. doctor: "oh.")
Heh. Good to have you here. Which seven books?
Stephenls
> Look at the the story in Mage Revised that is before the table of
> contents. David Leri did that...and I might say, quite well. He's
> probably my favorite artist White Wolf is using right now.
Oh, that guy.
Yes, he's cool. I'm not fond of his picture of a Man in Black (which is
a shame, because I like the fact that it's a /rea/ mage Man in Black,
complete with trenchcoat and fedora), but all of his other stuff is
great.
> I don't know. The signature pics for Mage Revised aren't that great.
> Though his stuff in CB: Setite and MtR are very sexy.
I love most of the signature pics. Especially when they're in color.
The Euthanatos picture is especially stunning. Pretty much the only one
that I'm not fond of is the Verbena, but that's probably because it's
just all various shades of brown.
Oh, and I don't understand why the Dreamspeaker is wearing a breastplate
[1].
[1] Does this bring this post back on topic for this thread?
Shane T. Graves
*GASP* YOU ARE THE REASON I'VE HAD TO LEARN TO DO DIGITAL MANIPULATION
WITHA RIGHT-HANDED TRACK BALL!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
DIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Frighteningly enough, if I weren't a solid non-breeder, I would FORCE my
children to be left handed. Cause I'm an ass. Also, I'd like to point out
how in everything in my life except write and paint, I can do right handed
from holding a baseball bat/tennis raquet/fire arm (I'm actually
ambi-dexterous when it comes to those activities), to wearing a watch (I
wear it on my left wrist....so I can look at the time while writing).
Also..most people can READ my handwriting because I know how to properly
hold a pen, which lots of left handed people are unable to do. In
fact...the only reason I'm not right handed or abidexterous is because when
it comes to signing my name, I can ONLY do it in my left hand.
Shane T. Graves
> > contents. David Leri did that...and I might say, quite well. He's
> > probably my favorite artist White Wolf is using right now.
> Oh, that guy.
Yup.
> Yes, he's cool. I'm not fond of his picture of a Man in Black (which is
> a shame, because I like the fact that it's a /rea/ mage Man in Black,
> complete with trenchcoat and fedora), but all of his other stuff is
> great.
He's had a few pics I'm not stunned with, but I love the last pic of the
story, with the guy at the bar.
> > I don't know. The signature pics for Mage Revised aren't that great.
> > Though his stuff in CB: Setite and MtR are very sexy.
> I love most of the signature pics. Especially when they're in color.
> The Euthanatos picture is especially stunning. Pretty much the only one
> that I'm not fond of is the Verbena, but that's probably because it's
> just all various shades of brown.
See...my problem is that each Tradition of Mages should be remarkably
different. I'm just so blase towards the pictures, never mind the fact that
everyone is in techno-armor in an ultra-future technology setting. It was
very a propos for Guide to the Technocracy (I liked all those) but I must
say I was VERY dissapointed with the main Mage book pictures. The only pics
I think are tolerable are the Akashic Brotherhood (well...I mean at least
the picture is of someone of Asian descent) and the Cult of Ecstacy (very
trippy...but appropriate I think). And a big MAYBE for the Virtual Adepts.
Everyone else...I'm sorry to say...it just sucked.
Sean Riley
> Yes. And I'd like him to continue the trend. I much prefer Shy to,
> say, Leif Jones.
See, I love Leif Jones. My favorite artist. Jones reads art notes. Jones
conveys ideas in his art. Jones actually pays attention. As a result, Jones
creates brilliant pieces like the Akshaic sig, his Kindred of the East
stuff, and the stunning Sabbat "prophet" from Guide to the Sabbat.
> Who?
As Shane observed. And /wow/ we look for different things in art. The Man in
Black was his best piece, thought I. :-)
> Well, I think that the Society is misguided. To say the least.
Your time of sympathy is over, Mr. Ls! This world cannot continue along your
idealistic path and prosper! Only FEAR will restore civility to our people,
and between my own sadly misunderstood genius, Leif Jones artwork and a
relic of human hate and fear -- Mary Kelly's detached breast, torn from its
shelf by none other than Jack the Ripper -- I have created the weapon that
the society will use to conquer the world! And then, we will have one bo...
Cheers,
Sean.
Sean Riley
> Still, I will continue to promote Christopher Shy as The Mage Art Guy.
> Especially now that they've gotten him to lay off the facial tattoos
And take up power armor.
The society strikes again!
Sean.
Shane T. Graves
> > Why did they drop Tim Bradstreet ? I love his artwork for Vampire,
> > err, 1st ed ? And the cover of the Setite clanbook, oh my... :p~
Tim Bradstreet's style became a bit "dated." Which is to say when you look
at his pics, for the most part, they scream "early 90's." The art for the
clan pictures was aimed at lasting a while, so they went with a painter who
could create images that had a sense of longevity.
> > Anyway, what happened to him ?
> You know, I have no idea.
> Likely, we won't /ever/ know. Either it's something boring, like he
> stopped doing that style of art or wanted to concentrate on something
> else, or it's something personal like a dispute with WW, in which case
> it's not really our business.
Actualyl Tim is up doing other things. I have his book "Maximum Black"
which has stuff from a variety of other publishers. And his last job was to
work as production designer for Blade 2.
> I agree, though. He really helped define the early WoD image, back when
> it was largely /about/ image.
He did help define early WoD. I think there should be a few more pictures
of snow covered cemeteries in Vampire books, but that's just me.
Stephenls
> He's had a few pics I'm not stunned with, but I love the last pic of
> the story, with the guy at the bar.
Yes. Totally.
> See...my problem is that each Tradition of Mages should be remarkably
> different. I'm just so blase towards the pictures, never mind the
> fact that everyone is in techno-armor in an ultra-future technology
> setting. It was very a propos for Guide to the Technocracy (I liked
> all those) but I must say I was VERY dissapointed with the main Mage
> book pictures. The only pics I think are tolerable are the Akashic
> Brotherhood (well...I mean at least the picture is of someone of
> Asian descent) and the Cult of Ecstacy (very trippy...but appropriate
> I think). And a big MAYBE for the Virtual Adepts. Everyone
> else...I'm sorry to say...it just sucked.
Well, then I guess we have a difference of opinion. Nothing wrong with
that.
You're still wrong. ^_^
Shane T. Graves
> > different. I'm just so blase towards the pictures, never mind the
> > fact that everyone is in techno-armor in an ultra-future technology
> > setting. It was very a propos for Guide to the Technocracy (I liked
> > all those) but I must say I was VERY dissapointed with the main Mage
> > book pictures. The only pics I think are tolerable are the Akashic
> > Brotherhood (well...I mean at least the picture is of someone of
> > Asian descent) and the Cult of Ecstacy (very trippy...but appropriate
> > I think). And a big MAYBE for the Virtual Adepts. Everyone
> > else...I'm sorry to say...it just sucked.
> Well, then I guess we have a difference of opinion. Nothing wrong with
> that.
> You're still wrong. ^_^
LOL...you wanna fight? I just used fightin' words. ^_^
Stephenls
> See, I love Leif Jones. My favorite artist. Jones reads art notes.
> Jones conveys ideas in his art. Jones actually pays attention. As a
> result, Jones creates brilliant pieces like the Akshaic sig, his
> Kindred of the East stuff, and the stunning Sabbat "prophet" from
> Guide to the Sabbat.
Fine, I'll admit that Leif does some good stuff. Almost all of the
sample character pictures from the revised Clanbooks, for example.
But I think his mage stuff is too distorted. I'd much prefer the
semi-realistic/bizzare stuff that Shy does.
And I'll say that I agree with you that the Akashic pic is good. As is
the Virtual Adept. But the Verbena is only average, and the Euthanatos
is /so/ irritating...
> As Shane observed. And /wow/ we look for different things in art. The
> Man in Black was his best piece, thought I. :-)
I like it except for the facial expression. The MiB looks, to put it
bluntly, stupid. Maybe he's supposed to be an old style hivemind clone
Man in Black, but I'm not fond of those.
Also, his gun looks like something out of a gangster movie.
<snip incoherency>
OK, that /was/ funny.
Bruce Baugh
wrote:
> Likely, we won't /ever/ know. Either it's something boring, like he
> stopped doing that style of art or wanted to concentrate on something
> else, or it's something personal like a dispute with WW, in which
> case it's not really our business.
Go to your local comics store. Look at the covers for Punisher (Marvel),
Hellblazer (DC), and many others. It's very simple: Bradstreet got
commercial work in a more lucrative field, and judging from his output,
all he could handle and then some. He's one of the current crop of hot
illustrators, in fact.
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Stephenls
> Go to your local comics store. Look at the covers for Punisher
> (Marvel), Hellblazer (DC), and many others. It's very simple:
> Bradstreet got commercial work in a more lucrative field, and judging
> from his output, all he could handle and then some. He's one of the
> current crop of hot illustrators, in fact.
Good for him, then, for what it's worth.
I don't keep up with the world of comics as much as I'd like to.
Frederic SO
Hekate Trismegista
Bruce Baugh wrote:
>
> In article <3C336CB9...@shaw.ca>, Stephenls <step...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Likely, we won't /ever/ know. Either it's something boring, like he
> > stopped doing that style of art or wanted to concentrate on something
> > else, or it's something personal like a dispute with WW, in which
> > case it's not really our business.
>
> Go to your local comics store. Look at the covers for Punisher (Marvel),
> Hellblazer (DC), and many others. It's very simple: Bradstreet got
> commercial work in a more lucrative field, and judging from his output,
> all he could handle and then some. He's one of the current crop of hot
> illustrators, in fact.
Tim Bradstreet has also done some conceptual design work for Blade 2:
Bloodhunt (look for the Ron Perlman starring as Scary Black Hand Face).
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Mekhet
Shane T. Graves <thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > >> Perhaps she's a neo-Amazonian woman. They used to cut off their right
> > >> breasts so that they could better and quickly draw their bows. Of
> course,
> > >> with laser guns (et al) the reasoning behind this in a contemporary
> > >setting
> > >> seems a little odd, but hey. There could be some twisted logic behind
> it
> > >for
> > >> anyone who wants to contrive it.
> > >
> > >But, her left one is the one that's missing.
> >
> > Maybe she's left-handed?
>
> I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I am the only left
> handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out "Oh my
> God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
>
My friend, you are not the only southpaw in this ng. I, too, have gotten the
weird reactions you have, and, like you, am right-hand dominant. I throw,
catch, etc. as a righty.
--
Mekhet the Tech-God
"I spent way too much time playing Pikmin today"
Sean Riley
> Fine, I'll admit that Leif does some good stuff. Almost all of the
> sample character pictures from the revised Clanbooks, for example.
>
> But I think his mage stuff is too distorted. I'd much prefer the
> semi-realistic/bizzare stuff that Shy does.
In the spirit of fair play, I'll also mention that yes, there's some stuff
Shy has done that I like. It's just none of it is for White Wolf. However,
his stuff for All Flesh Must Be Eaten is superb, and gave the whole zombie
horror stuff a wonderful twist.
Oh, all right. His Orphans and Disparites picture was really nice too. But
that's as far as I go!
> And I'll say that I agree with you that the Akashic pic is good. As is
> the Virtual Adept. But the Verbena is only average, and the Euthanatos
> is /so/ irritating...
But at least his Cultist of Ectasy looks, well, ecstatic. I can think of a
lot of things the cultists should be: Decadent, lustful, sadistic, kind,
vibrant and intriguing. Any and all of the above. But never jaded, and
that's exactly what Shy's picture looks like.
> I like it except for the facial expression. The MiB looks, to put it
> bluntly, stupid. Maybe he's supposed to be an old style hivemind clone
> Man in Black, but I'm not fond of those.
>
> Also, his gun looks like something out of a gangster movie.
Disagree on the gun, but the face... well, OK. I can kinda see your point. I
still like it. :-)
Then again, ignore me. I'm a freak. I didn't even like Lord of the Rings:
Fellowship of the Ring. Bleh.
Cheers,
Sean.
Nimrod Jones
news:67IY7.6851$RY6.166...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
>
> handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out "Oh my
> God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
Strange. I'm not left-handed myself but I know quite a few people who are.
Several, in fact, that I swear change hands every now and then just to
confuse the hell out of me; i.e. "When the hell did you become left-handed?
You wrote that last note with your right hand!"
> Hmmm...a left handed, post-Amazonian Virtual Adept? What are the chances
of
> THAT?
About a million to one. Which if I'm not mistaken is about the same as
Awakening.
Nimrod...
Stephenls
> In the spirit of fair play, I'll also mention that yes, there's some
> stuff Shy has done that I like. It's just none of it is for White
> Wolf. However, his stuff for All Flesh Must Be Eaten is superb, and
> gave the whole zombie horror stuff a wonderful twist.
I should really at least /glance through/ a copy of AFMBE, shouldn't I?
> Oh, all right. His Orphans and Disparites picture was really nice
> too. But that's as far as I go!
One of my favorites, actually.
> But at least his Cultist of Ectasy looks, well, ecstatic. I can think
> of a lot of things the cultists should be: Decadent, lustful,
> sadistic, kind, vibrant and intriguing. Any and all of the above. But
> never jaded, and that's exactly what Shy's picture looks like.
Ecstatic, yes. But too cartoony.
I see your point, though. What would be really cool was if they had
different artists do the pictures for each Trad. I can't really think
of one that's perfect for all of them.
> Disagree on the gun, but the face... well, OK. I can kinda see your
> point. I still like it. :-)
And I still disagree.
> Then again, ignore me. I'm a freak. I didn't even like Lord of the
> Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. Bleh.
Heretic!
Shane T. Graves
> > handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out "Oh my
> > God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
> Strange. I'm not left-handed myself but I know quite a few people who are.
> Several, in fact, that I swear change hands every now and then just to
> confuse the hell out of me; i.e. "When the hell did you become
left-handed?
> You wrote that last note with your right hand!"
Oh I know a few...but it's one of those few things that make me feel like
"Gee...you are the only one."
> > Hmmm...a left handed, post-Amazonian Virtual Adept? What are the
chances
> of
> > THAT?
> About a million to one. Which if I'm not mistaken is about the same as
> Awakening.
Ok...the number of left handed, post-modern Amazonian Virtual Adepts who've
Awakened?
Shane T. Graves
> > stuff Shy has done that I like. It's just none of it is for White
> > Wolf. However, his stuff for All Flesh Must Be Eaten is superb, and
> > gave the whole zombie horror stuff a wonderful twist.
> I should really at least /glance through/ a copy of AFMBE, shouldn't I?
I like AFMBE. How can you go WRONG with a game title like that?
And Shy's work is very nice in it.
> > Oh, all right. His Orphans and Disparites picture was really nice
> > too. But that's as far as I go!
> One of my favorites, actually.
A very neat pic, I think.
> > But at least his Cultist of Ectasy looks, well, ecstatic. I can think
> > of a lot of things the cultists should be: Decadent, lustful,
> > sadistic, kind, vibrant and intriguing. Any and all of the above. But
> > never jaded, and that's exactly what Shy's picture looks like.
> Ecstatic, yes. But too cartoony.
It was neat, I think.
> I see your point, though. What would be really cool was if they had
> different artists do the pictures for each Trad. I can't really think
> of one that's perfect for all of them.
I still think Shy could have done all of them...if he had a good description
of what the Traditions were about and got off the Techno-armor trip he was
on (which he managed to do for stuff outside of the main Mage book) I'm sure
the Tradition pictures would have been much better.
> > Then again, ignore me. I'm a freak. I didn't even like Lord of the
> > Rings: Fellowship of the Ring. Bleh.
> Heretic!
You will bow down before the falming vagina of DEATH!
Francois Gombault
> Francois Gombault wrote:
>> Why did they drop Tim Bradstreet ? I love his artwork for Vampire, err,
>> 1st ed ? And the cover of the Setite clanbook, oh my... :p~ Anyway,
>> what happened to him ?
>
> You know, I have no idea.
>
> Likely, we won't /ever/ know. Either it's something boring, like he
> stopped doing that style of art or wanted to concentrate on something
> else, or it's something personal like a dispute with WW, in which case
> it's not really our business.
You're probably right, we'll never know. BTW, is WW a faceless entity, or
do we have a friendly representative here to ask our silly questions ?
> I agree, though. He really helped define the early WoD image, back when
> it was largely /about/ image.
Indeed ! I remember the early days, when I discovered the Vampire and
Shadowrun core books. Both were partly illustrated by Tim. Both made me
feel like I had found the Graal of RPGs. The portraits had such an
incredible depth ! MOOD !! I want MOOD, no stinking eight-eyed beholder
floating around fireballing people !
Then there was this Tremere with auspex, telekinesis and walk of flame,
and... ;)
Bah, forget it. I want Blowshitupus ! Way to go, richard ! :P
>> PPS:
>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot :
>> I'm Francois, from France. (crowd: *Hello Francois!*) I play Vampire
>> and Mage. (doctor: "Good...") I own 7 books. (crowd
>> holds breath in horror. doctor: "oh.")
>
> Heh. Good to have you here. Which seven books?
Let's see. I have M2nd and Book of Shadows. Great game. Awesome game. I
found the Book of Shadow to be very nice and useful in some ways
(traditions novels, new backrounds), and pretty boring in some others
(certamen, who cares ?).
I also bought an english Werewolf 1st ed, with a few supplements (you
know, the tribebooks have that litle silly/funny comic at the beginning.
How far are we from Tim BradStreet. Sigh...). These are the five books I
never use - except for throwing the occasional Ananasi in our Sabbat
chronicle, the beholder effect, you know.
My friend has Vampire 2nd, Guide to the Sabbat, and Player's guide. We
don't know much about any "metaplot", except for the very well known (and
sometimes controversial) issues discussed here - the Tremere Antitribu,
the Gangrel leaving, the Week of Nightmares, Tzimisce can't beat Cthulhu,
etc. ;)
Well, my books. How boring.
As for you and Richard being like "stock footage" for the moments where
the group is silent, I have been lurking for 4 months here, and you are
very entertaining - the bees and all, prefect. Please feel free to
continue. :)
Francois
Francois Gombault
T. Graves" <thebl...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Tim Bradstreet's style became a bit "dated." Which is to say when you
> look at his pics, for the most part, they scream "early 90's." The art
> for the clan pictures was aimed at lasting a while, so they went with a
> painter who could create images that had a sense of longevity.
Maybe.. But they could have directed him into that "longevity" style. Or
maybe they did, and he wasn't please. Who knows.
> Actualyl Tim is up doing other things. I have his book "Maximum Black"
> which has stuff from a variety of other publishers. And his last job
> was to work as production designer for Blade 2.
I also have Maximum Black (signed by the artist, number 250/500 !), how
great is that ! :)
> He did help define early WoD. I think there should be a few more
> pictures of snow covered cemeteries in Vampire books, but that's just
> me.
No, that's not just you... :p
Francois
Sean Riley
> I should really at least /glance through/ a copy of AFMBE, shouldn't I?
No product with a statistic called "Spreading the Love" is all bad.
> Ecstatic, yes. But too cartoony.
>
> I see your point, though. What would be really cool was if they had
> different artists do the pictures for each Trad. I can't really think
> of one that's perfect for all of them.
Nah, I disagree. The chapters being done by the same artist is a really
easy, useful way to ensure that a book graphically looks consistent and
unified. I see your point though, the traditions are ultra-varied. Still, so
are the tribes in Werewolf to large degrees, and the variations are subtler
sometimes. Yet Prescott nailed every last one of them. I thought one or two
weren't very attractive to look at, but hey, neither are all werewolves. And
the Glass Walker one is just so damned cool.
> Heretic!
It /bored/ me.
Cheers,
Sean.
Nimrod Jones
>
> > About a million to one. Which if I'm not mistaken is about the same as
> > Awakening.
>
> Ok...the number of left handed, post-modern Amazonian Virtual Adepts
who've
> Awakened?
Well, statistically, out of all the left-handed, post-modern Amazonian
Virtual Adepts in the world, I see no reason why the chances of them
Awakening should be any different than all the right-handed, post-modern
Amazonian Virtual Adepts.
Nimrod...
Shane T. Graves
> > look at his pics, for the most part, they scream "early 90's." The art
> > for the clan pictures was aimed at lasting a while, so they went with a
> > painter who could create images that had a sense of longevity.
> Maybe.. But they could have directed him into that "longevity" style. Or
> maybe they did, and he wasn't please. Who knows.
I think it's more along the lines that his pictures tended to be of a
certain motif, which after a while, becomes dated. I still like Bradstreet
though.
> > Actualyl Tim is up doing other things. I have his book "Maximum Black"
> > which has stuff from a variety of other publishers. And his last job
> > was to work as production designer for Blade 2.
> I also have Maximum Black (signed by the artist, number 250/500 !), how
> great is that ! :)
Very awesome.
> > He did help define early WoD. I think there should be a few more
> > pictures of snow covered cemeteries in Vampire books, but that's just
> > me.
> No, that's not just you... :p
Good. Cause honestly everytime I run Vampire, I always have a random trip
to a snow covered cemetery. Old habits, eh? :D
Richard Clayton
> Shane T. Graves wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I am the only
> > left handed person in the world, as everyone I know seems to point out
> > "Oh my God...You're LEFT HANDED!" like I'm a circus freak.
>
> Pretty close. Natural selection tells us that, in time, all
> the left-handed people will die off and only the superior right-handed
> people will be around. That's why the right-handed people made such
> wonderful products as right-handed scissors, right-handed gear-shifts,
> and (my favorite) right-handed ergonomic mice for computers - they
> wanted to speed up the process. ];) You're a dying breed, man.
Actually, there's a fascinating article on handedness in the January
2002 issue of Discover. Highly recommended, to southpaws as well as
righties. I left it at my post last night so the next two duty shifts could
grope through it and perhaps edumacate themselves a bit, but I'll post a
summary and a few quites tonight when I come off-duty. (^_^)
--
Richard Clayton (for...@earthlink.net)
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
-- Aldous Huxley
Richard Clayton
> Also, I'd like to point out
> how in everything in my life except write and paint, I can do right handed
> from holding a baseball bat/tennis raquet/fire arm (I'm actually
> ambi-dexterous when it comes to those activities), to wearing a watch (I
> wear it on my left wrist....so I can look at the time while writing).
> Also..most people can READ my handwriting because I know how to properly
> hold a pen, which lots of left handed people are unable to do. In
> fact...the only reason I'm not right handed or abidexterous is because when
> it comes to signing my name, I can ONLY do it in my left hand.
Oddly enough, I'm right-handed, but left foot and left eye dominant. I also
shoot left-handed.
Richard Clayton
> > Well, then I guess we have a difference of opinion. Nothing wrong with
> > that.
>
> > You're still wrong. ^_^
>
> LOL...you wanna fight? I just used fightin' words. ^_^
Ready... FIGHT!!
On the subject of a WoD fighting game... why not an a.g.ww fighting game?
(^_~) We're quite a colorful lot. Stephenls can have the deadly 8 Million Ton
Book Collection attack (hold Weak Kick, Up, Up, Down, Fierce Kick) which
causes his massive bookshelve to fall from the sky and crush his opponent.
Meanwhile, Shane has the Well-Greased Fist of Auspicious Penetration (Fierce
Punch, Back, Forward, Back, Forward, Back, Forward...) (^_~)
Shane T. Graves
with
> > > that.
> > > You're still wrong. ^_^
> > LOL...you wanna fight? I just used fightin' words. ^_^
> Ready... FIGHT!!
> On the subject of a WoD fighting game... why not an a.g.ww fighting
game?
> (^_~) We're quite a colorful lot. Stephenls can have the deadly 8 Million
Ton
> Book Collection attack (hold Weak Kick, Up, Up, Down, Fierce Kick) which
> causes his massive bookshelve to fall from the sky and crush his opponent.
> Meanwhile, Shane has the Well-Greased Fist of Auspicious Penetration
(Fierce
> Punch, Back, Forward, Back, Forward, Back, Forward...) (^_~)
*BIG Sigh* Great...first I was known as the flaming idiot of
alt.games.whitewolf, now I'm the Crisco-paws of alt.games.whitewolf. I need
a image consultant.
And Richard, you are one sick dude. Although the "back, forward, back,
forward" move is amusing. lol
Dirk Timm
wrote:
>"Stephenls" <step...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>news:3C32216A...@shaw.ca...
>> Puleeeeze? This newsgroup /really/ needs more traffic. Why, I remember
>> when...
>
>Not that you were speakin' to me, but if you *insist*...
>
>I bought Adventure! as a Christmas gift for my roommate. And, of course,
>before giving it to him I had to spend frog-knows-how-many hours reading it
>myself.
YAY! Adventure!
First time I do storytelling and the players really beckon me to
continue... I have found the perfect game for me to storytell...
>
>Once again, any game that includes giant robots, dinosaurs, and carnivorous
>ape-men in it's appendix /has/ to get a thumbs-up grade.
>
>The 'mate is a big Call of Cthulu fan, and now he's despairing about whether
>or not he should run a prohibition-era street chronicle game of Adventure!
>or CoC. The torment is amusing to see. <insert evil laugh here>
>
I'm using an antique edition of CoC for some background material (nice
tables in there concerning distances and travel-times
>One thing. How come no one mentioned Bruce Willis' "Last Man Standing" in
>the source material? I would've thought that a two-fisted, guns a-blazin'
>tale of prohibition mafia war couldn't get more pulp-y.
>
>I mean, after all, when Bruce shoots people in that movie, they go flying
>about twenty feet from a single shot. If that's not screaming 'daredevil', I
>don't know what is. :)
Yes, Last Man Standing is a great source-material for clothing and
cars... but if you get down to it it's a Western...only a few decades
late... but I watched the movie after reading A! and in the first
firefight I shouted: "Enhanced Impact!!!!!"
>
>Regards,
>Kevin
>
>P.S. Happy new year.
See Ya,
Dirk
P.S. ...this is a delurk to, methinks...
Richard Clayton
> *BIG Sigh* Great...first I was known as the flaming idiot of
> alt.games.whitewolf, now I'm the Crisco-paws of alt.games.whitewolf. I need
> a image consultant.
Heh. Hey, you're the one who brought it up. (^_~) I personally like a very
vast spread of sexual acts that most would consider odd, if not downright
DEVIANT, but I carefully refrain from enumerating them in the newsgroup.
Anything posted on usenet is de facto public information, and thanks to Google
it can come back to haunt you at any future time... (^_^)
> And Richard, you are one sick dude. Although the "back, forward, back,
> forward" move is amusing. lol
Heh heh heh heh... I aim to please.
Kevin
> YAY! Adventure!
>
> First time I do storytelling and the players really beckon me to
> continue... I have found the perfect game for me to storytell...
My group only seems to have time for around one game a week. Schedules (work
and social) always get in the way. Feh! I still would love to give this game
a try. Hence why I purchased it for a friend instead of for myself. ;)
> Yes, Last Man Standing is a great source-material for clothing and
> cars... but if you get down to it it's a Western...only a few decades
> late... but I watched the movie after reading A! and in the first
> firefight I shouted: "Enhanced Impact!!!!!"
I can see it being a western, but it still gives me plenty of inspiration.
:) Nothing wrong with the 'pale stranger' archetype in Adventure! is there?
Regards,
Kevin
Stephenls
> No product with a statistic called "Spreading the Love" is all bad.
Note to self: buy copy of "All Flesh Must Be Eaten".
> Nah, I disagree. The chapters being done by the same artist is a
> really easy, useful way to ensure that a book graphically looks
> consistent and unified. I see your point though, the traditions are
> ultra-varied. Still, so are the tribes in Werewolf to large degrees,
> and the variations are subtler sometimes. Yet Prescott nailed every
> last one of them. I thought one or two weren't very attractive to
> look at, but hey, neither are all werewolves. And the Glass Walker
> one is just so damned cool.
No, I agree on the chapter headings.
I was talking (typing) about the pictures that go with each Tradition
description. If they were done by different artists but given the same
guidelines, such as "must be such high by such wide", "must embody [this
tradition, and artist is given description of tradition to work off]",
and "must clearly be one character (so no fights of watercolor blurs)",
/I/ think it would look cool.
> It /bored/ me.
Oh. Well, that's fine, I suppose.
Shane T. Graves
> > alt.games.whitewolf, now I'm the Crisco-paws of alt.games.whitewolf. I
need
> > a image consultant.
> Heh. Hey, you're the one who brought it up. (^_~) I personally like a
very
> vast spread of sexual acts that most would consider odd, if not downright
> DEVIANT, but I carefully refrain from enumerating them in the newsgroup.
> Anything posted on usenet is de facto public information, and thanks to
Google
> it can come back to haunt you at any future time... (^_^)
I'm not ashamed. It's kinda like that girl on Six Feet Under will always be
pointed out in public as "Hey! You're the girl who stole the foot!" She
did it once, and will live with that forever. Now I must find something
even MORE outrageous in attempt to make people associate me with something
other than Crisco....maybe if I shot Ronald Regan for the attention of Jodie
Foster...
<Geek Speak> I declair the Social Trait "Nosey" </Geek Speek>. So Richard
Clayton is a sexual deviant, eh? Does this have anything to do with why
PetCo banned you from the store and wouldn't allow you to return gerbils?
> > And Richard, you are one sick dude. Although the "back, forward, back,
> > forward" move is amusing. lol
> Heh heh heh heh... I aim to please.
I've managed to silence one of the most disgusting comments to come out of
my mind this year. Consider all of yourselves lucky.
Sean Riley
> Note to self: buy copy of "All Flesh Must Be Eaten".
I just wish I'd preordered. I wanted one of those chocolate bars.
> I was talking (typing) about the pictures that go with each Tradition
> description. If they were done by different artists but given the same
> guidelines, such as "must be such high by such wide", "must embody [this
> tradition, and artist is given description of tradition to work off]",
> and "must clearly be one character (so no fights of watercolor blurs)",
> /I/ think it would look cool.
Oh, right.
Wierd theory though: In each Leif Jones picture, there's only one person.
Discuss.
Cheers,
Sean.
Vis Sierra
> > I was talking (typing) about the pictures that go with each Tradition
> > description. If they were done by different artists but given the same
> > guidelines, such as "must be such high by such wide", "must embody [this
> > tradition, and artist is given description of tradition to work off]",
> > and "must clearly be one character (so no fights of watercolor blurs)",
> > /I/ think it would look cool.
>
> Oh, right.
>
> Wierd theory though: In each Leif Jones picture, there's only one person.
>
> Discuss.
Unless you're trying to be metaphysical, t'aint so. There are a
number of Leif Jones pieces with more than one person. The most
controversial art in Montreal by Night is the first to come to
mind, along with a few memorable Trinity pieces. Almost all of
his templates and clan signature characters have a single person,
but that's to be expected.
> Cheers,
> Sean.
Vis Sierra
Stephenls
> Unless you're trying to be metaphysical, t'aint so. There are a
> number of Leif Jones pieces with more than one person. The most
> controversial art in Montreal by Night is the first to come to
> mind, along with a few memorable Trinity pieces. Almost all of
> his templates and clan signature characters have a single person,
> but that's to be expected.
I believe he meant a metaphysical approach to the tradition portraits on
pages 49 through 80 of Mage: The Ascension Revised. Several of them,
specifically Cult of Ecstasy, the Euthanatos, the Sons of Ether, the
Verbena, and the Virtual Adepts have two people in each portrait.
The Virtual Adept is easy. The one on page 76 is the VA's physical
body, while the one on page 77 is the Icon she's projecting into the
Digital Web.
The Verbena embodies the dualistic male/female division, showing how
each Verbena has a bit of both within them. This is not necessarily
something that exists in canon, but might make a neat spin on the
concept.
The Son of Ether, Cultist of Ecstasy, and Euthanatos are each somewhat
simpler than that, in that each is a picture of a mage with visible
avatar. The Etherite is guided by his Lady of Science, who rubs her
hands together in the background as all Mad Scientist should, the
Euthanatos uses the hindu traditions her Avatar teaches her but herself
reflects the modern world in her dress and her martial leanings in her
stance (not that her Avatar is wholly without martial leanings or modern
trappings himself, as he cradles his handgun), and the Ecstatic dances
to the beat of her ethereal drummer.
Sean Riley
news:qlja3uslslvdr38oo...@4ax.com...
> Unless you're trying to be metaphysical, t'aint so. There are a
> number of Leif Jones pieces with more than one person. The most
> controversial art in Montreal by Night is the first to come to
> mind, along with a few memorable Trinity pieces. Almost all of
> his templates and clan signature characters have a single person,
> but that's to be expected.
Oh, gack.
Redefining the question.
In each of Leif Jones' Tradition splat pictures, there's only one person.
Discuss.
Cheers,
Sean.
Christopher Adams
> and cars... but if you get down to it it's a Western...only a few
> decades late... but I watched the movie after reading A! and in
> the first firefight I shouted: "Enhanced Impact!!!!!"
"Last Man Standing" is a Western, yeah. It's "Un Pugno Di Dollari" ("For A
Fistful Of Dollars").
Oh, wait. "For A Fistful Of Dollars" is the Kurosawa movie "Yojimbo."
Oh, darn! "Yojimbo" is Dashiell Hammett's "Red Harvest."
--
Chris Adams
Does the Chair Leg of Truth look stupid to you?
- Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #50
Richard Clayton
> I'm not ashamed. It's kinda like that girl on Six Feet Under will always be
> pointed out in public as "Hey! You're the girl who stole the foot!" She
> did it once, and will live with that forever. Now I must find something
> even MORE outrageous in attempt to make people associate me with something
> other than Crisco....maybe if I shot Ronald Regan for the attention of Jodie
> Foster...
I'm not ashamed of what I do either, but I consider sex a very private
thing, and therefore don't discuss it in a forum as public as a.g.ww. I may not
be ashamed of my credit card, but that doesn't mean that I'm posting the number.
(^_~)
> <Geek Speak> I declair the Social Trait "Nosey" </Geek Speek>. So Richard
> Clayton is a sexual deviant, eh? Does this have anything to do with why
> PetCo banned you from the store and wouldn't allow you to return gerbils?
>
> > > And Richard, you are one sick dude. Although the "back, forward, back,
> > > forward" move is amusing. lol
>
> > Heh heh heh heh... I aim to please.
>
> I've managed to silence one of the most disgusting comments to come out of
> my mind this year. Consider all of yourselves lucky.
Methinks I could guess what you were thinking. (^_^)
Shane T. Graves
> thing, and therefore don't discuss it in a forum as public as a.g.ww. I
may not
> be ashamed of my credit card, but that doesn't mean that I'm posting the
number.
> (^_~)
I'm VERY ashamed of my credit card...the number is as follows....
Besides, I haven't said anything that hasn't been photographed by
Maplethorpe.
> > <Geek Speak> I declair the Social Trait "Nosey" </Geek Speek>. So
Richard
> > Clayton is a sexual deviant, eh? Does this have anything to do with why
> > PetCo banned you from the store and wouldn't allow you to return
gerbils?
Oooh...dodged that one huh? Is silence an admittance of truth? ;D
> > > > And Richard, you are one sick dude. Although the "back, forward,
back,
> > > > forward" move is amusing. lol
> > > Heh heh heh heh... I aim to please.
> > I've managed to silence one of the most disgusting comments to come out
of
> > my mind this year. Consider all of yourselves lucky.
>
> Methinks I could guess what you were thinking. (^_^)
Probably not by a long shot. ; )
Richard Clayton
> I'm VERY ashamed of my credit card...the number is as follows....
Amazon dot com shopping spree with somebody else's credit card, here I
come... (^_~)
> Oooh...dodged that one huh? Is silence an admittance of truth? ;D
I have no comments at this time.
> > Methinks I could guess what you were thinking. (^_^)
>
> Probably not by a long shot. ; )
You might be surprised...
Shane T. Graves
> Amazon dot com shopping spree with somebody else's credit card, here I
> come... (^_~)
At least be smart about it and buy all the stuff I have for sale on
half.com, so that way I can get SOMETHING out of the deal.
> > Oooh...dodged that one huh? Is silence an admittance of truth? ;D
> I have no comments at this time.
Another comment I feel you'd rather not have me post. ; )
> > > Methinks I could guess what you were thinking. (^_^)
> > Probably not by a long shot. ; )
> You might be surprised...
On a semi-OT point, on a 500 question purity test I scored a miraculous 14%.
Vis Sierra
> Vis Sierra wrote:
> > I think it would have been a plus to make it match the Guide to
> > the Technocracy (and the Book of Madness), just as the Guide to
> > the Camarilla and Guide to the Sabbat match in their cover art.
>
> Unfortunately, that would not have been possible, as the GttTechs and
> the BoM don't have matching cover art.
You're right. I can't find the art I was thinking of - I thought
Shy had done an assembly of Technocrats for the cover, having
forgotten about Baxa's MiB on the cover. I might've been thinking
of Shy's interior art for the GttTech, mixed with Leif Jones' "You
Are the Weapon" art with the different Trinity Psion Orders, as
I can't find an exact match to what I was thinking was the cover.
> Still, I will continue to promote Christopher Shy as The Mage Art Guy.
> Especially now that they've gotten him to lay off the facial tattoos
> [1].
>
> [1] Yes, I know. That comment is three years too late. I don't care.
I like some of his stuff, but art direction is too important. I
read in an interview that the cover art for the Bitter Road was
very important to him, and I'm sure it carries significant meaning
- to him - but among everyone else, the comment I have heard has
been an overwhelming "Huh?"
The Mona Lisa's a nice portrait, too, but, it doesn't advertise a
guide to Adepts' lives in the post-Ascension War setting for Mage
that would distinguish it from other art that could have been used
for the cover.
Vis Sierra
Sean Riley
> The Virtual Adept is easy. The one on page 76 is the VA's physical
> body, while the one on page 77 is the Icon she's projecting into the
> Digital Web.
Yep, that's what I got out of it too.
> The Verbena embodies the dualistic male/female division, showing how
> each Verbena has a bit of both within them. This is not necessarily
> something that exists in canon, but might make a neat spin on the
> concept.
Nice! That's a really neat take on it. I like that a lot. Taking it further,
it's the dichotomy of the old and the new, with the classical looking woman
in the background and the less traditional man in the foreground. All very
Verbena, in my opinion.
> The Son of Ether, Cultist of Ecstasy, and Euthanatos are each somewhat
> simpler than that, in that each is a picture of a mage with visible
> avatar.
This was my take on most of them, but I love how you went further with it.
> The Etherite is guided by his Lady of Science, who rubs her
> hands together in the background as all Mad Scientist should
Of course!
>, the
> Euthanatos uses the hindu traditions her Avatar teaches her but herself
> reflects the modern world in her dress and her martial leanings in her
> stance (not that her Avatar is wholly without martial leanings or modern
> trappings himself, as he cradles his handgun),
Her handgun, you mean. ;-) She holds his knife, he holds her gun. The two
are entwined.
> and the Ecstatic dances
> to the beat of her ethereal drummer.
About how I saw the image, too.
Cheers,
Sean.
Sean Riley
> The Virtual Adept is easy. The one on page 76 is the VA's physical
> body, while the one on page 77 is the Icon she's projecting into the
> Digital Web.
Yep, that's what I got out of it too.
> The Verbena embodies the dualistic male/female division, showing how
> each Verbena has a bit of both within them. This is not necessarily
> something that exists in canon, but might make a neat spin on the
> concept.
Nice! That's a really neat take on it. I like that a lot. Taking it further,
it's the dichotomy of the old and the new, with the classical looking woman
in the background and the less traditional man in the foreground. All very
Verbena, in my opinion.
> The Son of Ether, Cultist of Ecstasy, and Euthanatos are each somewhat
> simpler than that, in that each is a picture of a mage with visible
> avatar.
This was my take on most of them, but I love how you went further with it.
> The Etherite is guided by his Lady of Science, who rubs her
> hands together in the background as all Mad Scientist should
Of course!
>, the
> Euthanatos uses the hindu traditions her Avatar teaches her but herself
> reflects the modern world in her dress and her martial leanings in her
> stance (not that her Avatar is wholly without martial leanings or modern
> trappings himself, as he cradles his handgun),
Her handgun, you mean. ;-) She holds his knife, he holds her gun. The two
are entwined.
> and the Ecstatic dances
> to the beat of her ethereal drummer.
About how I saw the image, too.
Cheers,
Sean.
Sean Riley
> The Virtual Adept is easy. The one on page 76 is the VA's physical
> body, while the one on page 77 is the Icon she's projecting into the
> Digital Web.
Yep, that's what I got out of it too.
> The Verbena embodies the dualistic male/female division, showing how
> each Verbena has a bit of both within them. This is not necessarily
> something that exists in canon, but might make a neat spin on the
> concept.
Nice! That's a really neat take on it. I like that a lot. Taking it further,
it's the dichotomy of the old and the new, with the classical looking woman
in the background and the less traditional man in the foreground. All very
Verbena, in my opinion.
> The Son of Ether, Cultist of Ecstasy, and Euthanatos are each somewhat
> simpler than that, in that each is a picture of a mage with visible
> avatar.
This was my take on most of them, but I love how you went further with it.
> The Etherite is guided by his Lady of Science, who rubs her
> hands together in the background as all Mad Scientist should
Of course!
>, the
> Euthanatos uses the hindu traditions her Avatar teaches her but herself
> reflects the modern world in her dress and her martial leanings in her
> stance (not that her Avatar is wholly without martial leanings or modern
> trappings himself, as he cradles his handgun),
Her handgun, you mean. ;-) She holds his knife, he holds her gun. The two
are entwined.
> and the Ecstatic dances
> to the beat of her ethereal drummer.
About how I saw the image, too.
Cheers,
Sean.