WoD Pronunciations
Michael Fink
In article <5fdgrq$a...@news-central.tiac.net>, ch...@inline-design.com
(Chris Basken) wrote:
> okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
> one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
>
>
> sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
> caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
> altogether?
> lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
> but with a softer "s")
> toreador: "tore-re-uh-dor"
> metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
> brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
> malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
> thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
> verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
> gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
>
> i'm sure there're more, but these are all that come to mind at the
> moment...
It's spelled Verbena and pronounced "ver-BE-nah". It's a real word.
It's spelled Gnosis and pronounced "NO-sis". It, too, is a real word.
"Inconnu" is a real French word, and it's hard to spell out just how
to pronounce it unless you are French. Very approximately, it's
"ankh-ah-NEW"
Everybody I know pronounces "Brujah" the way you did. However, that
would be the Spanish way [it's a real Spanish word after all] but
according to WW the word Brujah existed long before Spain or Mexico, i.e.
the word's pronounciation existed before those cultures and languages.
Admittedly the argument is shaky [the letter "J" didn't even exist until
after the Roman Empire] but in my game I have Spanish-speaking vampires
say "Brroo-hah" and most everyone else "Broo-jah".
This is a guess, but "caern" _might_ be pronounced "SEE-urn" or
"SEERN" based on how some other words starting with cae are spoken.
And "Arete" is pronounced "AIR-uh-tay". It's a real Greek word.
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Chris Basken
James Desborough
Caern is pronouced a couple of different ways and has a couple of different
interpretations within these Isles alone.
You can pronounce it Cerne (Sern)
Or as Caern (care-nuh)
GRIM (GREEM) :)
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Ian Turner
Chris Basken wrote:
> sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
Yep.
> caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
> altogether?
I pronounce it like I was saying Karen and forgot the 'e.'
> lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
> but with a softer "s")
I say Cry-noss.
> toreador: "tore-re-uh-dor"
> metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
This is a horrible racist slur in some parts of Canada I have
heard. Stick to 'mettis.'
> brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
The jury is out, but that's how I say it.
> malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
> thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
To be pretentious change the emphasis and say Thaw-MAH-tur-gee.
Use the tone of voice one uses when making 'Buffy' jokes.
> verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
Verb*E*na I pronounce ver-bay-na.
> gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
The 'g' is mostly silent. It is a subtle thing, skip it
entirely and no one will notice but a linguist or gnostic...
Ian Turner.
tar...@imap2.asu.edu
James Desborough (Gr...@postmort.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Caern is pronouced a couple of different ways and has a couple of different
: interpretations within these Isles alone.
: You can pronounce it Cerne (Sern)
: Or as Caern (care-nuh)
Why not like "cairn"? That's almost certainly the word they're getting
at.
Ben B.
Croatan
Here's more
Tzimisce(sha-MEE-zay)
Lasombra(La-SOM-bra)
Kitsune(Kit-soo-ney)
Garou(GA-roo)
Ananasi(A-na-NA-zi)
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Joshua Dyal
Thus spoke Ian Turner <itu...@wpine.com>:
> Yep.
> I say Cry-noss.
>> verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
> Verb*E*na I pronounce ver-bay-na.
>Ian Turner.
You could save yourself a lot of trouble by looking up these words in
a dictionary. Except for the clan names, they are all normal words
that any good dictionary should have.
Joshua Dyal
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Norsk / Hoaxers
>okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
>one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
hehe.. Im from NORWAY :) .. let me give it a try
>sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
agreed.
>caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
I go, ka-ern the
>lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
loo-piss? :) he.. I would vote on lu-puss, might be dead wrong though
>metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
metis straight ahead.
>brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
Think so, but I still say "brujahh" Fast "jah" like bbrruujah ..
pffft, no way in hell i'l manage to explain that :)
>thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
I would go "thaw-mah-ter-jee" .. I think-
>gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
I always pronounce it WITH g
Wow this was fun. how about a wod definitive lexica, with a casette
where they read all the words? hehehe.. Milk the cow while you can!
later
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Chris Basken
>loo-piss? :) he.. I would vote on lu-puss, might be dead wrong though
hey, i'm from new england, what do i know about pronuciation? ;)
>>metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
>metis straight ahead.
you're the only other person i know to use it like that. what's that
about a racial slur in canada?
>>thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
>I would go "thaw-mah-ter-jee" .. I think-
right, wasn't breaking up my syllables correctly.
>>gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
>I always pronounce it WITH g
hm. sounds a bit clumsy like that, tho... but then, there's the word
"gnu."
>Wow this was fun. how about a wod definitive lexica, with a casette
>where they read all the words? hehehe.. Milk the cow while you can!
i agree, or at least provide a dictonary-like pronunciation guide in
future editions for us STs who want to say these words to our players
without adding, "...at least. that's how I *think* it's pronounced..."
a few others...
Nephandi: nef-AN-dee or nef-AN-die? i like the latter.
Rotschreck: rot-shrek?
Arcanum: ar-kan-um or ar-kayn-um?
Impergium: im-purj-ee-um or im-per-ee-um (silent "g")?
Ali-I-Batin: ah-lee-ee-bat-tin?
Mokole: is the "e" silent?
heh, this is fun...
smco...@idt.net
Gnosis is from the greek word that speaks about knowledge. It should be
pronounced, following normal rules, with the "g" being silent.
Arete is the Greek word for "skill". If using the proper pronunciation
of the Greek, one would stress the first syllable, making it Ah-re-te as
opposed to ah-RIT, as I have heard some pronouce it.
It is true, however, if you get a large dictionary, you will find most if
not all of the words that White Wolf uses, and some of them are funny
("numina" to describe "phenomena", for example, if you understand Kant).
Chris Pinard
Chris Basken <ch...@inline-design.com> wrote:
>>>metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
>>metis straight ahead.
I tend to go with me-tis.
>>Wow this was fun. how about a wod definitive lexica, with a casette
>>where they read all the words? hehehe.. Milk the cow while you can!
>i agree, or at least provide a dictonary-like pronunciation guide in
>future editions for us STs who want to say these words to our players
>without adding, "...at least. that's how I *think* it's pronounced..."
I rather agree, however, this always gets to a common peeve about
White Wolf 'round here: "Buy more books! Buy more books!..." (Sounds
better with the spoken presentation. :-)
>Nephandi: nef-AN-dee or nef-AN-die? i like the latter.
Well, Nephandi is the plural for Nephandus, which, as "nefandus," is a
real Latin word (meaning "abominable"). So, given Latin pronunciation,
I'd go with ne-FAN-doos (singular) and ne-FAN-dee.
>Arcanum: ar-kan-um or ar-kayn-um?
Another Latin word: arcanum, from arcanus ("shut, closed," thus
"silent, secret"). So, ar-CAHN-oom.
>Impergium: im-purj-ee-um or im-per-ee-um (silent "g")?
I pronounce it im-PUR-gee-um (hard G), but I've heard it pronounced as
im-purj-ee-um as well.
>Ali-I-Batin: ah-lee-ee-bat-tin?
I though it was Ahl-I-Batin? Which'd make it all-ee-Ba-TEEN, but if
it's Ali, than I'd pronounce it ah-lee-ee-Ba-TEEN (capital B because
I'd stress the B, but not the whole syllable).
>Mokole: is the "e" silent?
I use mah-KO-lay (long O), but YMMV.
>heh, this is fun...
I agree, although it'd be nice if we had a definitive, official list,
so this wouldn't be a problem in games...
Chris Pinard
Who, for all he's read and learned and discussed about White Wolf
cosmologies, finds that he doesn't play in very many White Wolf
games. Then again, I don't play many actual games of any other system,
either, so it all works out, sorta...
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Alison Young
In article <5fg5tm$e...@news-central.tiac.net>, ch...@inline-design.com
says...
>>>metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
>>metis straight ahead.
>
>you're the only other person i know to use it like that. what's that
>about a racial slur in canada?
Pronounced may-TEE, metis was a french derogatory term for someone who was
part native. There's more to it than that, but since history is not my
strong suit, I'll stop there. Since it seemed to my group that the
crossbreed aspect of the word is what White Wolf was going for, we've
pronounced it the Canadian way. It always drives me nuts at American
conventions to hear the s at the end!
Ian Turner
Chris Basken wrote:
> hey, i'm from new england, what do i know about pronuciation? ;)
So am I! Are you from Bah-ston, Riv-e-a or somewhere else? :)
> you're the only other person i know to use it like that. what's that
> about a racial slur in canada?
Mean half-breed or something. It is apparently still used in some
provicial areas.
> Nephandi: nef-AN-dee or nef-AN-die? i like the latter.
Dee not Die.
> Rotschreck: rot-shrek?
> Arcanum: ar-kan-um or ar-kayn-um?
Ar-Kan-um is official but Ar-Kayn-um sounds more like something
a buch of pretentious scholars would say.
> Impergium: im-purj-ee-um or im-per-ee-um (silent "g")?
Never heard any hint that the G was silent.
> Ali-I-Batin: ah-lee-ee-bat-tin?
> Mokole: is the "e" silent?
Nope, it is the first word of the African (Congoese?) term
Mokole-Mbembe (Mo-ko-lay m-Bom-bay), a swamp monster rumored to be a
modern brontosaur of some sort by some otherwise sane scientists.
Ian Turner.
Daniel Reece Buhler
Chris Basken (ch...@inline-design.com) wrote:
: okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
: one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
: sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
Yup.
: caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
: altogether?
I pronounce it as in Cairn.
: lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
: but with a softer "s")
I pronounce it CRY-no-s
: toreador: "tore-re-uh-dor"
: metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
It's originally French (possibly only the Canadian version of French). It
is pronounced may-TEE. It is not a "racial slur", but a word that refers
to someone of mixed white/native heritage, and originally it was
specifically refering to French/native crossbreeds.
: brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
: malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
: thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
: verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
Ver-BE-nuh
: gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
NO-sis
: i'm sure there're more, but these are all that come to mind at the
: moment...
Later,
D.R. Buhler
Daniel Reece Buhler
Ian Turner (itu...@wpine.com) wrote:
: > metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
: This is a horrible racist slur in some parts of Canada I have
: heard. Stick to 'mettis.'
The term is pronounced "may-tee". It is a French word created a
couple of hundred years ago to describe someone of mixed French/native
heritage. Now it simply refers to anyone of mixed other/native heritage.
It is not inherently racist, any more than the words black, white, Anglo,
etc.
Later,
D.R. Buhler
(a Canadian)
Granger Marc
Michael Fink (mike...@concentric.net) wrote:
: "Inconnu" is a real French word, and it's hard to spell out just how
: to pronounce it unless you are French. Very approximately, it's
: "ankh-ah-NEW"
The first syllable is a single nasal vowel (a sound you don't have in
English). It sounds approximately like a nasal "ey". The first "n" isn't
pronounced.
The "o" is more opened than a "o" but more closed than a "a" (like in the
word "ball")
The "u" is another sound English doesn't know. It's like a "oo (eg: in the
word "too")", except it's a front vowel, while "oo" is a back vowel.
("front" and "back" refer to the position of the tongue in the mouth)
I hope my English isn't too bad...
Marc, a future Malkavian
Erik Nielsen
Croatan <cro...@home.stlnet.com> wrote:
>>Kitsune(Kit-soo-ney)<<
Kee tsoo neh. (From the Japanese word for "fox.")
Eh-rik (or, as my students say, Ay-ree-koo)
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Erik Nielsen
Urk. Try "quality" and "honor," or a kind of Golden Mean version of
the two. "Superior" quality, perhaps?
Erik
Michelle the Elf
You say Shaw-me-say
And I say Tsa-me-tsee
You say ka-Tief
and I say Kay-tiff
Shaw-me-say
Tsa-me-tsee
Ka-tief
Kay-tiff
Let's call the whole thing off!
((Like you didn't see that comming.))
As far as I'm conserned it's all right nomatter how you pronounce
something. ((Except for pronouncing the "j" in "Brujah" I just can't abide
that.:)) What you call something on you're own time is your own choice.
However you can use the different ways of saying various words to help
with characterisation. Kinda like useing an accent without having to
listen to dialect tapes.
-Michelle "the Elf"
Am I rambling again?
Sorry.
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Chris Basken
isn't that like -- gasp -- looking in the manual or something?
seriously, i'm sure they would, but then we wouldn't be having this
conversation :)
Chris Basken
Ian Turner <itu...@wpine.com> wrote:
>Chris Basken wrote:
>> hey, i'm from new england, what do i know about pronuciation? ;)
>So am I! Are you from Bah-ston, Riv-e-a or somewhere else? :)
born in Dah-ches-tah, raised in Stonnum (Stoneham), work in Beffud
(Bedford), and currently reside in Wint-ches-tah.
you?
Paul F. Glenn
Michelle the Elf (elb...@robles.callutheran.edu) wrote:
: You say Shaw-me-say
: And I say Tsa-me-tsee
Am the only one who pronounces "Tzimisce" as if it wer a Russian word?
That is "Tsee-meh-she," with a heavy emphasis on the first syllable.
Of course, pronouncing like a Russian word doesn't work perfectly, 'cause
it ISN'T a Russian word, but that just seems close to me.
Paul Glenn
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Ian Turner
Chris Basken wrote:
> born in Dah-ches-tah, raised in Stonnum (Stoneham), work in Beffud
> (Bedford), and currently reside in Wint-ches-tah.
> you?
Nashuah, New Hampcha. I used to LARP in Boston at Northeastern
University but the head ST graduated and the whole thing went
embarassingly limp without him. Sigh. But a LARP COULD happen in
Nashua soon. And In Nomine 2nd Edition is coming REAL SOON NOW...
Ian Turner.
BLAKE 1001
Erik Nielsen wrote:
>
> In article <331BF3...@idt.net>, <smco...@idt.net> wrote:
> >>Arete is the Greek word for "skill". <<
>
> Urk. Try "quality" and "honor," or a kind of Golden Mean version of
> the two. "Superior" quality, perhaps?
>
> Erik
>
The one I read (In Gene Wolfe's "Soldier of Arete") was something like
'having/possesing the qualities of the God Ares... including Courage,
Strength, Skill in battle, and cleanliness. Since it was taken from the
name Ares, I always assumed it was pronounced with a long e. But, I've
heard it pronounced 'Artay' and 'Air-et-tay' as well as 'Air-reet' YMMV.
Pope Paisley Lemming, the, etc.
Paul F. Glenn wrote:
>
> Michelle the Elf (elb...@robles.callutheran.edu) wrote:
>
> : You say Shaw-me-say
> : And I say Tsa-me-tsee
>
> Am the only one who pronounces "Tzimisce" as if it wer a Russian word?
> That is "Tsee-meh-she," with a heavy emphasis on the first syllable.
>
"Gym-shoe".
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Paul F. Glenn
BLAKE 1001 (Op...@october.com) wrote:
: Erik Nielsen wrote:
: > In article <331BF3...@idt.net>, <smco...@idt.net> wrote:
: > >>Arete is the Greek word for "skill". <<
: >
: > Urk. Try "quality" and "honor," or a kind of Golden Mean version of
: > the two. "Superior" quality, perhaps?
: >
: > Erik
: The one I read (In Gene Wolfe's "Soldier of Arete") was something like
: 'having/possesing the qualities of the God Ares... including Courage,
: Strength, Skill in battle, and cleanliness.
From what I understand, it means "virtue," both in the moral and non-moral
senses (i.e. the quality posessed by a virtuoso). In pre-Platonic Greece,
it referred to the things which made one excel at their given role. So
for a warrior, arete includes courage etc., but for a scholar, a ruler, or
a wife, the qualities of arete would vary a great deal. It was with
Socrates that the term began to acquire its moral meaning--namely, what is
the arete/virtue of being a human, as opposed to the qualities of any
particular societal role.
Rich Harkrader
Along this same topic...how do you pronounce Troile?
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Paul F. Glenn (pgl...@orion.it.luc.edu) wrote:
: From what I understand, it means "virtue," both in the moral and non-moral
: senses (i.e. the quality posessed by a virtuoso). In pre-Platonic Greece,
: it referred to the things which made one excel at their given role. So
: for a warrior, arete includes courage etc., but for a scholar, a ruler, or
: a wife, the qualities of arete would vary a great deal. It was with
: Socrates that the term began to acquire its moral meaning--namely, what is
: the arete/virtue of being a human, as opposed to the qualities of any
: particular societal role.
I have my Attic Greek book in front of me. It reads:
APETH (alpha rho epsilon tau eta, transcribed arete)
/ah-reh-TAY/ virtue, goodness, excellence.
It primarily refers to a more masculine prowess in battle and the rest of
life.
That answer everyone's questions?
crys
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> ch...@inline-design.com (Chris Basken) writes:
> okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
> one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
>
>
> sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
> altogether?
> but with a softer "s")
> metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
> malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
> thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
> verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
>
> moment...
>
>
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Rich Harkrader (crh...@pop.tamu.edu) wrote:
: Along this same topic...how do you pronounce Troile?
I think that's actually the French version of the Greek name that's
conventionally rendered as "Troilus" in English, so I guess it would sound
like "trwahl" (uvular 'r' of course). If you don't want to destroy your
vocal cords, you probably might as well rhyme it with "royal" though :).
Ben B.
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ch...@inline-design.com (Chris Basken) wrote:
Oh wow, I've been considering posting something like this, but never
got around to it.
>okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
>one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
>sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
>caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
>altogether?
I always thought it /kayrn/ like one syllable.
>lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
>but with a softer "s")
I've always used homid as /hoe-mid/
I've also heard Crinos pronounced /Cree-nos/ and /Cry-nos/
>toreador: "tore-re-uh-dor"
>metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
During the time of the fur traders, the people born of a native woman
and a european trader was called a Metis (pronounced met-ees, rhymes
with fleece) They are still around and are about 300,000 strong. I
saw a post mentioning someone heard it was a racial slur. I don't
believe it is, but I've never been to Canada. I learned of this term
in a Native American History class and the instructor never mentioned
that it was a racial slur, and he used it freely (maybe out of
ignorance?)
>brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
I think so, in the clan book, they mention the similarity between
their clan name and the Spanish word bruja (which is pronounced
broo-hah, and means witch, for those who didn't know)
>malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
I always had used the latter, but the group I just joined uses the
former.
>thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
>verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
spelt verbena of course :)...I've heard it /Ver-been-ah/ and
/Ver-ben-ah/
>gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
I believe the G is silent.
>i'm sure there're more, but these are all that come to mind at the
>moment...
Some of them i don't think there is a right or wrong. WW recognizes
the /SA-but/ and /sa-BOT/ pronunciation of Sabbat...like /toe-may-toe/
and /toe-mah-toe/ some people end up pronouncing things differently.
My current character pronounces Camarilla different than I'd like to,
simply the Prince of the city told him what it was (and he'd never
heard the term before). I like that aspect, with any society, accents
do develop.
Unless their's an official ruling (like a pronuciation guide in the
lexicon) then go with what fits . . . if you're worried about
conversing with other gamers, it should be too hard to figure out what
word is being said.
Z
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"Toreador" was the name given to the 'bull-jumpers' on an ancient Minoan
wall fresco. (Yes, they'd wait until the bull charged, and then vault
over the horns) ~Dig out your old art history text book, it'll be in
there.
"Tremere" is (I believe) based on the Latin word meaning 'to tremble'
"Brujah" is based on the Spanish word for witch, so it's safe to go with
the Spanish pronunciation (broo-hah). Besides, I'm in San Jose [anarch
territory] - we should know ;-)
I don't think that White Wolf 'made-up' any of them, I think they
were set-up so that you'd find a "WoD word" in a dictionary and only see
a definition that partially applies.
Ever notice that 'kine' follows 'kindred' in the dictionary. Makes
you wonder if they find 'kindred' as the term for vampires, and then
look down at the word below it (which comes from the Old English word
for 'cattle') and just drool.
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Atalanta Pendragonne
Z wrote:
>
> Unless their's an official ruling (like a pronuciation guide in the
> lexicon) then go with what fits . . . if you're worried about
> conversing with other gamers, it should be too hard to figure out what
> word is being said.
Some people's pronounciation makes my flesh creep. I played with a group
who pronounced Protean "pro-teen", Gangrel "gan-gre-el" Malkavian
"malk-a-vain-ian", Tzimsce "tremitz" (NO clue how the got that" and
Bastet "basset"
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Wyylder
Atalanta Pendragonne <Atal...@death-star.com> wrote:
>Some people's pronounciation makes my flesh creep. I played with a group
>who pronounced Protean "pro-teen", Gangrel "gan-gre-el" Malkavian
>"malk-a-vain-ian", Tzimsce "tremitz" (NO clue how the got that" and
>Bastet "basset"
<shiver> Ick.
I've so far avoided this thread, cause I have too many anal preferences
(shut up) about how things should be pronounced. But now I see I'm in
good company, so I'll crawl out of the woodwork.
Sidhe -- "SHEE" not sith, not sidth...unexcusable really, considering they
put the pronunciation RIGHT IN THE BOOK.
Kithain -- "KITH-ain"...not Kith-ee-an
Garou -- "gah-ROO" not GAY-roo...I just imagine a wolf howl
Verbena -- "ver-BEN-a" a preference really...too lazy to look it up :)
Nephandi -- "nef-AN-dee" I don't know where that "neef-an-DIE" stuff
comes from...
...just cause this one really get's to me
Melee -- "MAY-lay" not MEE-lee...not ma-LAY ...come on, look that one up
if you disagree...
<phew> I feel like I just completed a 12-step...
A lot of time, accents fall naturally. Having studied one language for 7
years (Spanish), and another for a year (Russian), you learn quite a bit
about how people pronounce things. It usually falls to the placement of
accent. It's no glitch that the sounds of syllables change when stressed.
I don't blame people for making my ears bleed with really screwed up
pronounciation, I just educate them, tolerate the looks and insults, and
move on...
======================================
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Be a pooka and pull a werewolf's tail.
So take my advice,
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Or take your viscera home in a pail.
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tar...@imap2.asu.edu
Wyylder (wyy...@aol.com) wrote:
: Garou -- "gah-ROO" not GAY-roo...I just imagine a wolf howl
: Nephandi -- "nef-AN-dee" I don't know where that "neef-an-DIE" stuff
: comes from...
That second pronuciation is actually more consistent with traditional
Anglicized Latin pronunciation. The first is typical of Ecclesiastical
Latin or the late movement towards imitating reconstructed Classical
phonology. Either one has tons of precedent behind it.
: ...just cause this one really get's to me
: Melee -- "MAY-lay" not MEE-lee...not ma-LAY ...come on, look that one up
: if you disagree...
: <phew> I feel like I just completed a 12-step...
: A lot of time, accents fall naturally. Having studied one language for 7
: years (Spanish), and another for a year (Russian), you learn quite a bit
: about how people pronounce things. It usually falls to the placement of
: accent. It's no glitch that the sounds of syllables change when stressed.
I don't know what a "glitch" is in this context, but the way stress works
varies drastically from language to language. As an example, French tends
to have rather flat stress within words, but most English speakers find it
almost impossible not to impose some kind of strong stress pattern, so
when English speakers adopt a French word like Garou, they almost
invariably give it a stress-final pattern which is their only alternative
(in bisyllabic words) to the stress-first pattern which is "normal" for
English. Your example pronunciation for Garou is only correct in the
sense that it's the way English speakers usually mispronounce French
words :). Meelee, being a French word originally, would have been pronounced
stress-final at one time, but as French borrowings become more fully
assimilated over time they tend to relax into more natural stress
patterns. If garou persists in the English lexicon, you would expect
that it would eventually become GARE-oo, just like "garage" is undergoing
or has underwent that relaxation (to "GARE-azh") in some English dialects.
Ben Buckner
Wyylder
tar...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
[snip real educated-man stuff]
Well yeah...that goes without saying...
*sigh*
Let's call the whole thing off...
Wyylder
tar...@imap2.asu.edu wrote:
[snip some stuff]
>Meelee, being a French word originally, would have been pronounced
>stress-final at one time, but as French borrowings become more fully
>assimilated over time they tend to relax into more natural stress
>patterns.
Correct Pronunciation
oo Prime
A OoH high school French teacher, tired of hearing her first hour class
butcher the language, created this rote to fuel the stress patterns of the
French language tripping off her pupil's tongues into the way it was MEANT
to be spoken...
Eborium
> >>gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
> >I always pronounce it WITH g
>
> hm. sounds a bit clumsy like that, tho... but then, there's the word
> "gnu."
Its a real word... and you don't pronounce the "g".
J
=
Laurence
In article <5fkuuk$7...@artemis.it.luc.edu>, pgl...@orion.it.luc.edu (Paul F.
Glenn) wrote:
> Am the only one who pronounces "Tzimisce" as if it wer a Russian word?
> That is "Tsee-meh-she," with a heavy emphasis on the first syllable.
That's pretty close to the way I have my character Jonathon say it
(Tsee - MEESH), but then he's British. Perhaps I should let one of my
other characters (Steven Czyzyk) try it.
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wyy...@aol.com (Wyylder) once said:
>A lot of time, accents fall naturally. Having studied one language for 7
>years (Spanish), and another for a year (Russian), you learn quite a bit
>about how people pronounce things. It usually falls to the placement of
>accent. It's no glitch that the sounds of syllables change when stressed.
> I don't blame people for making my ears bleed with really screwed up
>pronounciation, I just educate them, tolerate the looks and insults, and
>move on...
hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
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Laurence wrote:
>
> In article <5fkuuk$7...@artemis.it.luc.edu>, pgl...@orion.it.luc.edu (Paul F.
> Glenn) wrote:
> > Am the only one who pronounces "Tzimisce" as if it wer a Russian word?
> > That is "Tsee-meh-she," with a heavy emphasis on the first syllable.
>
> That's pretty close to the way I have my character Jonathon say it
> (Tsee - MEESH), but then he's British. Perhaps I should let one of my
> other characters (Steven Czyzyk) try it.
>
that's the same.
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tar...@imap2.asu.edu
Kim Robert Blix (kb...@sn.no) wrote:
: wyy...@aol.com (Wyylder) once said:
: >A lot of time, accents fall naturally. Having studied one language for 7
: >years (Spanish), and another for a year (Russian), you learn quite a bit
: >about how people pronounce things. It usually falls to the placement of
: >accent. It's no glitch that the sounds of syllables change when stressed.
: > I don't blame people for making my ears bleed with really screwed up
: >pronounciation, I just educate them, tolerate the looks and insults, and
: >move on...
: hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
Hey, watch that sexism...
Ben B.
Dante
In article <na.ccf0744769....@argonet.co.uk>, Laurence
<stan...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5fkuuk$7...@artemis.it.luc.edu>, pgl...@orion.it.luc.edu (Paul F.
>Glenn) wrote:
>> Am the only one who pronounces "Tzimisce" as if it wer a Russian word?
>> That is "Tsee-meh-she," with a heavy emphasis on the first syllable.
>
>That's pretty close to the way I have my character Jonathon say it
>(Tsee - MEESH), but then he's British. Perhaps I should let one of my
>other characters (Steven Czyzyk) try it.
>
I always did it "Tseeme-she"
DAnte
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Kim Robert Blix
tar...@imap2.asu.edu once said:
>: hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
>
>Hey, watch that sexism...
Oh, sorry. If you are male, marry me too! ..
Wait a minute. .. That didnt sound right.
apollyon
You know, most of the words you're questioning can be found in any
decent dictionary. White Wolf didn't just pull these words out of their
asshole (well, not many of them) so you can do plenty of research on
them. Which can actually be quite fun if you're into the study of word
origins (etymology).
apollyon
Ian Turner
apollyon wrote:
> Which can actually be quite fun if you're into the study of word
> origins (etymology).
Hm, that's true.
> apollyon
Apollyon? The Apollyon Fungi Esophagus, lead singer of the N-Testynz?
Ohmigawd, you are sooo kewl! I have all your stuff, even that track by
Cranial Hemmorhage where they sample you saying, "Eat this, you
scuttling little &^$#*!" to that reporter just before you hit him!
Or are you that other guy, the like naked Greek statue sun-god sorta
thang?
Ian,
whose dosage must be off.
skar...@sprynet.com
> tar...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
> : hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
>
> Hey, watch that sexism...
>
>
it's sexist for a man to want to marry a woman? That's a first.
Dominic Parry
In article <5fpotd$aao$2...@juliana.sprynet.com>, skar...@sprynet.com
writes
>> ch...@inline-design.com (Chris Basken) writes:
>> okay, this kind of thing has been bothering me for a bit. how does
>> one pronounce certain WoD words? this what i've got so far...
required this is what The Oxford English Dictionary and my latin
dictionary revealed
>>
>>
>> sept: the "p" is pronounced, like the first syllable in "september"
>> caern: is it "kern" or is it "kay-ern" or is it something else
>> altogether?
>> lupus, homid, crinos: "loo-piss", "haw-mid", "crin-noes" (like "limos"
>> but with a softer "s")
>> toreador: "tore-re-uh-dor"
Tohh-ree-uh-door (with the first vowel sound short, like pot.)
>> metis: i say "mee-tis" although everyone else i know says "mettis"
>> brujah: it is "broo-hah," right?
>> malkavian: "mahl-kah-vee-un" or "mal-kay-vee-un"?
>> thaumaturgy: "thaw-mah-terj-ee"
Thoww-mat-er-gee. (Thoww like bough from a tree)
>> verbana: "vur-bahn-uh"
Ver-bay-na (from the herb)
>> gnossis: "naw-sis" or is the "g" spoken?
>>
>> i'm sure there're more, but these are all that come to mind at the
>> moment...
>>
>>
>>>>>
>Argentinan woman) that Lasombra is a Spanish word,
>pronounced La-SAWM-Brra (or was it La-SOHM-Brra) which literally means "The
>Shadows". No wonder they took to
>Obtenebration so well, eh?
The guides to pronuciation given with Changeling seem to clear things up
and get all players on the same track but there are a few I would
disagree with.
However, the domain of language is everyone's playground and from the
hours we had of coming up with new pronuciations of Melnibone
(Meel-nye-bonn-ee-ay-uh, was one of my favourites!) and from the man who
talked for ages about these new beings called Ogg-rees and Gowls (how
long did it take us to figure out that the latter were undead?)
whatever you like to pronounce it like is as correct as you want it to
be.
--
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Kim Robert Blix
skar...@sprynet.com once said:
>> tar...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>>
>> : hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
>>
>> Hey, watch that sexism...
>>
>> Ben B.
>>
>it's sexist for a man to want to marry a woman? That's a first.
They all pick on me you see.. *Sniff*
:)
Mark Grover
skar...@sprynet.com wrote:
: > tar...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
: >
: > : hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
: >
: > Hey, watch that sexism...
: >
: > Ben B.
: >
: it's sexist for a man to want to marry a woman? That's a first.
: ========================================================
tar...@imap2.asu.edu
Mark Grover (mag...@mail.usask.ca) wrote:
: skar...@sprynet.com wrote:
: : > tar...@imap2.asu.edu writes:
: : >
: : > : hehehe... If you are female, then please marry me :]
: : >
: : > Hey, watch that sexism...
: : >
: : > Ben B.
: : >
: : it's sexist for a man to want to marry a woman? That's a first.
: But I'm not surprised
At last! Firm evidence that my fiendish genetic experiments have
succeeded in ridding the human race of its capacity to detect humor
without a smily face in the post! Wa-hahahaha!
Ben B.
Kraig Blackwelder
But to take this to a slightly subversive philosophical level, what you
should be looking for in a marriage partner is someone you get along with
exceptionally well, whom you love, and who is a help-mate with regard to
things you want to accomplish, likewise, someone whose goals you can also
help further. -In theory- the dynamic between the two people should come
first, not the gender of the people involved.
Just a thought.
K.
Ian Turner
Kraig Blackwelder wrote:
> But to take this to a slightly subversive philosophical level, what
> you should be looking for in a marriage partner is someone you get
> along with exceptionally well, whom you love, and who is a help-mate
> with regard to things you want to accomplish, likewise, someone whose
> goals you can also help further. -In theory- the dynamic between the
> two people should come first, not the gender of the people involved.
> Just a thought.
> K.
You seem to be implying that people CHOOSE who they are going to try
(often unsuccessfully) to spend the rest of their lives with. If
you look around you will see that the mating game seems to involve
no sort of discrimatory selection process more advanced than, "Og like
big hooters."
Besides didn't I just post a while ago how the Technocracy was pushing
androgyny and the blurring of sexual lines as part of their insidious
plot to take away individuality and self-pride from the genders and
merge them into faceless asexual drones??? Back vile Technocrat!
Someday Humanity may be advanced enough to accept differences and take
pride in their particular ones without denigrating others. Until then
perhaps everyone should wear a bag and a voice-modulator like some
twisted Harrison Bergeron future so that predjudice becomes all too
difficult to maintain...
Ian Turner.
If I don't give a fuck, am I asexual?
skar...@sprynet.com
> kra...@nwu.edu (Kraig Blackwelder) writes:
>
> But to take this to a slightly subversive philosophical level, what you
> should be looking for in a marriage partner is someone you get along with
> exceptionally well, whom you love, and who is a help-mate with regard to
> things you want to accomplish, likewise, someone whose goals you can also
> help further. -In theory- the dynamic between the two people should come
> first, not the gender of the people involved.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> K.
sv...@ll.mit.edu
Kraig Blackwelder wrote:
> But to take this to a slightly subversive philosophical level, what
> you should be looking for in a marriage partner is someone you get
> along with exceptionally well, whom you love, and who is a help-mate
> with regard to things you want to accomplish, likewise, someone whose
> goals you can also help further. -In theory- the dynamic between the
> two people should come first, not the gender of the people involved.
Except, of course, for the fact that same-sex marriages are not
(currently) legal in the United States. ;)
Ah, the vagaries of the soulmate versus time-to-breed argument...
-- S. Skoog
(Wait... I can see it all now.
We're both pompous and arrogant;
We're both Mage fanatics;
We both like Coupland, debate,
Chicago pizza, and New Order.
Let's get married, Kraig!)
Ian Turner
sv...@ll.mit.edu wrote:
> Except, of course, for the fact that same-sex marriages are not
> (currently) legal in the United States. ;)
>
> Ah, the vagaries of the soulmate versus time-to-breed argument...
>
> -- S. Skoog
>
> (Wait... I can see it all now.
> We're both pompous and arrogant;
> We're both Mage fanatics;
> We both like Coupland, debate,
> Chicago pizza, and New Order.
> Let's get married, Kraig!)
I think that Johnny Mayall likes a lot of this stuff too (at least New
Order I am sure of). Might have to make it a threeway marriage, I mean
as long as one is discarding the notion of gender exclusion, the whole
monogamy thing seems kind of '-ist' anyway. Why doesn't everyone on the
planet just marry everyone else? It would save time (specially for
those people in Hollywood) and the notion of cheating on someone would
fly right out the window. (Must remember smiley for the humor-impaired)
:)
Ian Turner.
Kraig Blackwelder
> Ah, the vagaries of the soulmate versus time-to-breed argument...
>
> -- S. Skoog
>
> (Wait... I can see it all now.
> We're both pompous and arrogant;
> We're both Mage fanatics;
> We both like Coupland, debate,
> Chicago pizza, and New Order.
> Let's get married, Kraig!)
Hey, how'd you know I like Chicago pizza?
Actually, I don't know about this marriage thing (these long distance
things never work out), but I'm going to be in Boston (at Radcliffe) for a
course this July. Maybe we could, you know, (giggle)(blush) play some
Mage? (I feel so emotionaly exposed...)
K.
(With this five dot, six Arete circular
gold Mind/Spirit talisman I thee wed...)
Kraig Blackwelder
>
> I think that Johnny Mayall likes a lot of this stuff too (at least New
> Order I am sure of). Might have to make it a threeway marriage, I mean
> as long as one is discarding the notion of gender exclusion, the whole
> monogamy thing seems kind of '-ist' anyway. Why doesn't everyone on the
> planet just marry everyone else? It would save time (specially for
> those people in Hollywood) and the notion of cheating on someone would
> fly right out the window.
Gosh, Ian, you're such a romantic.
It's enough to make me wax poetic (deep inhale):
Ah, spring, when a young gamer's fancy lightly turn to thoughts of...er,
Verbena Chantries...and, um, the Easter Pooka (and characters all start
using Better Body to make up for the fact that none of them has exercised
off that spare 5 lbs from the big Yule dinner....)
K.
Johnny Mayall
>In article <333B4D...@wpine.com>, Ian Turner <itu...@wpine.com> wrote:
>
> I think that Johnny Mayall likes a lot of this stuff too (at least New
> Order I am sure of). Might have to make it a threeway marriage, I mean
> as long as one is discarding the notion of gender exclusion, the whole
> monogamy thing seems kind of '-ist' anyway. Why doesn't everyone on the
> planet just marry everyone else? It would save time (specially for
> those people in Hollywood) and the notion of cheating on someone would
All I want to know is one thing-- where's my dowry?
---Johnny Mayall---jmayall@jove.acs.unt.edu---http://people.unt.edu/~jmayall---
When I was a very small boy, very small boys talked to me;
Now that we've grown up together, they're afraid of what they see.
-New Order, "True Faith"
Prince Nightchilde
Shawn Connolly <con...@rpi.edu> wrote in article <3366E3...@rpi.edu>...
> Here's my big grumble:
>
> Brujah: BROO-zhah, NOT Broo-hah.
>
> I know, in Spanish the word for "witch" is brujah, pronounced without
> the J. But if you're a dinosaur like me and have V:tM 1st Ed., it's
> right there on one of Tim Bradstreet's drawings.
>
> -Shawn Michael Connolly
> -http://www.rpi.edu/~connos
> -"Be nice to other people; they outnumber you 5.5 billion to one."
Now let's really get you confused...in the Dark Ages, the "letter J" wasn't
really in existence, so the "proper" pronounciation would be Broo-YAH.
And, yes, I do agree with you on the pronounciation for Brujah. I, too,
use the first edition pronounciation.
nkshivan*
Prince Nightchilde wrote:
>
> Shawn Connolly <con...@rpi.edu> wrote in article <3366E3...@rpi.edu>...
> > Here's my big grumble:
> >
> > Brujah: BROO-zhah, NOT Broo-hah.
> >
> > I know, in Spanish the word for "witch" is brujah, pronounced without
> > the J. But if you're a dinosaur like me and have V:tM 1st Ed., it's
> > right there on one of Tim Bradstreet's drawings.
> Now let's really get you confused...in the Dark Ages, the "letter J" wasn't
> really in existence, so the "proper" pronounciation would be Broo-YAH.
>
> And, yes, I do agree with you on the pronounciation for Brujah. I, too,
> use the first edition pronounciation.
>
I always compared it to the pronounciation of Elijah. Seemed to fit with
the origins of the clan & Kindred better.
LenaFalk
"Prince Nightchilde" <nght...@gte.net> writes:
>Now let's really get you confused...in the Dark Ages, the "letter J"
wasn't
>really in existence, so the "proper" pronounciation would be Broo-YAH.
>
>And, yes, I do agree with you on the pronounciation for Brujah. I, too,
>use the first edition pronounciation.
Speak the Broo-hah version over and over again and you will find yourself
enjoying it more than the -zah or -ya versions - at least, thats what I
experienced. I like the sound of it (but I have never seen the first ed.).
Lena