Vampires feeding from garou
Mika Sutinen
Just started to play this game and I have guestion. In our first
session there was a vampire. Now he was going to feed from one
of our players character (garou) but she was lucky and got away.
Now the guestion, what would have happen if that vampire
would have feeded from her? I think garou and human blood has
some little differences? Any ideas?
MS.
DeanSpartn
Very much so. Garou blood is very potent (each blood point drained is
worth two,) but the kiss becomes so ecstatic for the kindred that he must
make a Self-Control roll to avoid becoming addicted. He may also frenzy to
get more.
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Mika Sutinen (elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi) wrote:
: Now the guestion, what would have happen if that vampire
: would have feeded from her? I think garou and human blood has
: some little differences? Any ideas?
Garou blood gives (1) double its value in Blood Points
(2) much easier chance to Frenzy while the
vampire has the Garou Blood in his/her system
(3) temporary powers of Potence and/or Celerity
(if and only if the Garou has Pure Breed)
Hope that helps.
-- S. Skoog
last name: Anthony
Mika Sutinen wrote:
>
> Just started to play this game and I have guestion. In our first
> session there was a vampire. Now he was going to feed from one
> of our players character (garou) but she was lucky and got away.
> would have feeded from her? I think garou and human blood has
> some little differences? Any ideas?
>
The only place I've ever seen that information is in the V:tDA manual,
and I'm not sure if you can find it anywhere else. Here's what the DA
manual says:
<p.247, V:tDA>
"Drinking Werewolf Blood:
Vitae taken from werewolves has an unusual and troublesome effect on
the unwary Cainite. For every Blood Point of Lupine blood ingested, the
difficulty level of any rolls to avoid frenzy increases by one. A
vampire who has drunk deeply of a Lupine may find herself on the verge
of frenzy all night, and even if she manages to avoid frenzy, she will
be paranoid and jittery until the blood is out of her system.
In spite of the dangers, werewolf blood is very potent, twice as
potent as normal kine blood. So if a vampire drinks two points of
Lupine vitae, she receives four Blood Points for her Blood Pool. While
Cainites may savor potent blood like fine wine, Lupine blood may be the
drink of last resort.
Rumors abound that drinking from werewolves can temporarily grant
levels of Celerity or Potence. This is not a matter of the vitae, per
se, but a factor of the Lupine's Pure Breed Background. The more pure
the werewolf's lineage, the more powerful the blood to the Cainite.
Some tell tales of insane Kindred deliberately hunting pure-bred Lupines
for their blood."
I can't find any other reference to drinking Garou blood, and there is,
to my knowledge, no system denoting how to measure the gain in Celerity
or Potence as per the last paragraph.
-Chris "DerF" Anthony
Torsten Beck
On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Mika Sutinen wrote:
>
>
> Just started to play this game and I have guestion. In our first
> session there was a vampire. Now he was going to feed from one
> of our players character (garou) but she was lucky and got away.
> Now the guestion, what would have happen if that vampire
> would have feeded from her? I think garou and human blood has
> some little differences? Any ideas?
>
There some differences from Kindred feeding from Garou and Kine:
1. Garou blood is far more potent than Kine one (1BP equals 2)
2. Garou got 25 BP
3. It's far easier to Frenzy with Garou Blood in your system (+1 Diff to
resist Frenzy per BP)
4. For Pure bred Garou it may be possible that some Disciplines (like
Potence, Celerity...) may also be transferred with the Blood
Hope this helps...
Torsten Beck
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Further-Down-The-Spiral
Chris,
Chris,
According to the Vampire : the Masquerade or the player's guide, one
blood point of garou blood equals 10 normal blood points. Thus, a
thirteenth gen vampire can get a full meal from one bite into a garou,
assuming that he survives.
Further-Down-The-Spiral
last name: Anthony
> According to the Vampire : the Masquerade or the player's guide, one
> blood point of garou blood equals 10 normal blood points. Thus, a
> thirteenth gen vampire can get a full meal from one bite into a garou,
> assuming that he survives.
That's a really big number, and everyone else seems to agree that garou
blood is double-strength... I can see Elder blood being worth a 10-1
ratio, and _possibly_ the blood of very very old Garou, but it just
doesn't seem practical from the point of view of gameplay. All you'd
have to do would be to Dominate a Lupine so hopelessly that they
couldn't tell right from left without you, and you'd be set for
eternity.
-Chris "I'll probably get bashed for this" Anthony
Mika Sutinen
>According to the Vampire : the Masquerade or the player's guide, one
>blood point of garou blood equals 10 normal blood points. Thus, a
>thirteenth gen vampire can get a full meal from one bite into a garou,
>assuming that he survives.
Dont they also describe Garous in Vampire: the Masquerade
brainless killing machines? Havent played WereWolf much
yet but it seems to me that they are much more than that.
MS.
Overlord of Darkness
Mika Sutinen (elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi) wrote:
: >According to the Vampire : the Masquerade or the player's guide, one
In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the generic
"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
Rat-Bastard
Robert Douglas
Overlord of Darkness (evan...@wfu.edu) wrote:
: In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
: "Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
And they are both right.
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Mika Sutinen
>In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
>killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the generic
>"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
MS.
Brian Wilson
On 8 Sep 1996 22:12:47 GMT, evan...@wfu.edu (Overlord of Darkness) wrote:
>Mika Sutinen (elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi) wrote:
>: >According to the Vampire : the Masquerade or the player's guide, one
>: >blood point of garou blood equals 10 normal blood points. Thus, a
>: >thirteenth gen vampire can get a full meal from one bite into a garou,
>: >assuming that he survives.
>: Dont they also describe Garous in Vampire: the Masquerade
>: brainless killing machines? Havent played WereWolf much
>: yet but it seems to me that they are much more than that.
>In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
>killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the generic
>"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
>Rat-Bastard
This is a very good point. The description of a mage is probably the most
acceptable to the offended party of the other creatures that are mentioned by
the V:tM book. Now IMHO, any creature that can even act somewhat human and be
able to transform into a huge, powerful beast and back again is much more than
mindless. Vampire's are not all evil as portrayed by so many movies and the
description from W:tA either. The W:tO 2nd Ed. probably gives each group their
proper respect with it's descriptions....er moreso than the others....I haven't
read C:tD or M:tA enough to make that a blanket statement.
However, to address the original post, we always played it out so that Lupine
blood acted much like PCP for a Kindred....ie super-edgy, gain a point in
Potence for a short amount of time....*maybe a scene*....unless that was a
regular feeding habit...then the Potence may become a permanent discipline....,
and very feral if provoked....the transference of the beast and all. Anyway,
there's my little throw in.....Hope it helps...
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Mika Sutinen (elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi) wrote:
: >In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
: >"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
: Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
: good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
Depends on who she is, and if she asked first. :)
Seriously though, each sourcebook is ,natch, told from the perspective of
that group of beings. Therefore, to werewolves, all vampires are tainted
with the Wyrm and, therefore, agents of the Wyrm. The are, therefore,
evil. QED. From the Vampire point of view, werewolves are big,
brainless creatures that can shapeshift and enjoy killing things.
Therefore, they are simple beasts, and best either manipulated or
avoided. From a Mage's point of view... well that depends on the mage or
their tradition, but that's something altogether different.
Werewolves are basically supernatural ecoterrorists.
Vampires are supernatural bloodsuckers.
Changelings are supernatural invaders from another dimension.
Mages are humans gifted with the ability to bend reality to thier will
(or at least try).
Now that we have those basic points down, can't we all just get along? :)
Ghost
William Scott Owen
In article <512t72$g...@ankka.csc.fi>, elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi (Mika Sutinen) writes:
> >In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
> >killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the generic
> >"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
>
>
> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
> good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
>
>
How narrow... Not all Vampires wanted to be vampires.... Think about it...
> MS.
>
>
>
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Mika Sutinen
-> >In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than
-> brainless >killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the
-> generic >"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
->
-> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone good if he
-> would be sucking blood from your neck?
Depends on whether she bought me dinner first.
Mika Sutinen
>> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
>How narrow... Not all Vampires wanted to be vampires.... Think about it...
Well if they hate it why dont they make suicide?
MS.
Kellie Patrick-Getty
It is much like asking why don't all terminally ill patients who are in
great pain commit suicide, there are many reasons and they vary from
person to person. A few reasons a vampire who hates his existance would
not commit suicide are:
1) he fears death, the afterlife, or lack of afterlife more than he hates
being a Vampire
2) he feels they have obligations which must be fulfilled before he can
commit suicide
3) his religion considers suicide to be a sin
4) he believes that those who kill themselves are "weak" and he is
"strong"
5) he has discovered that he can still do "good" while being a Vampire.
That is, he hates what he has become but recognizes its benefits.
Kellie
K Kuhn
> >In the generic "Vampire" viewpoint, Garou are little more than brainless
> >killing machines. It's all a matter of perspective. In the generic
> >"Werewolf" viewpoint, Vampires are all evil.
>
>
> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
> good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
(Sarcasm mode on)
Well, the Kiss is probably a much more pleasant way to go than having your
guts ripped out by a werewolf while you're gibbering in hopeless panic,
and leaves a much better class of corpse, if you want an open-casket
funeral. Of course, a true Garou just murders a person because there are
too many apes around anyway, and since they don't do it because they're
hungry, they're good instead of evil.
(Sarcasm mode off)
>
>
> MS.
>
Hazmat
On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:30:40 GMT, I overheard Mika Sutinen say:
: >> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
: >> good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
: Well if they hate it why dont they make suicide?
Well, say you were devoutly religious and got Embraced. Say you believed
that committing suicide is a mortal sin, and to do so would cause you to
be utterly lost to salvation. You might consider your new condition a
trial sent by God (or Goddess, or whatever), rather like what happened to
Job. :>
Lisa
(who used to have a Nossie with that sort of bent...)
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Brian Thomas Habing
>: Well if they hate it why dont they make suicide?
The beast thinks its funnier if it stops them from succeeding...
>Well, say you were devoutly religious and got Embraced. Say you believed
>that committing suicide is a mortal sin, and to do so would cause you to
>be utterly lost to salvation. You might consider your new condition a
>trial sent by God (or Goddess, or whatever), rather like what happened to
>Job. :>
That's silly, everyone knows that vampires are already the Damned servents
of Satan. (At least thats what the prince of Milwaukee told us before
his house burned down and the over 150 garou came running over the hill...)
Brian
hab...@stat.uiuc.edu
Jay Mehaffey
Hazmat wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:30:40 GMT, I overheard Mika Sutinen say:
> : >> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
> : >> good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
> : >How narrow... Not all Vampires wanted to be vampires.... Think about it...
>
There is a big difference between hating yourself and not choosing to
be a vampire. A lot of Kindred wouldn't choose their fate, but they
arn't
going to seek death either.
>
> Well, say you were devoutly religious and got Embraced. Say you believed
> that committing suicide is a mortal sin, and to do so would cause you to
> be utterly lost to salvation. You might consider your new condition a
> trial sent by God (or Goddess, or whatever), rather like what happened to
> Job. :>
The beast within every vampire is very determined to survive, many hold
that
this is a side effect of Cain's curse. Not only can't he die, but he
can't
even try. Few vampires can kill themselves, even if they don't enjoy
being
a vampire.
Another thing to keep in mind is that it's actually fairly hard for
vampire
to kill themselves. You can't slash your wrists, overdose, shoot
yourself,
or any of the obvious choices. Unless you can get major overkill the
best
you can do that way is to put yourself in torpor, where you wait for
some
fool to wake you up.
The few ways that are death to a vampire are hard to do and give the
vampire
many chances to back out. Any attempt to kill youself is going to take
a
lot of willpower and courage, something sorely laking in many vampires.
Jay Mehaffey
Mika Sutinen
>> Well if they hate it why dont they make suicide?
>that committing suicide is a mortal sin, and to do so would cause you to
Hmm.. Hard to believe any god that wants his followers to feed blood
of others and curse him to live in eternal darkness.. Doesnt sound
very religious to me... But then again, if you would be fanatic you
propably wont think it that way.
MS.
Veronica and Corey
elvi.vtk...@memo.vtkk.fi (Mika Sutinen) wrote:
> MS.
Try reading some of the Path/Road descriptions. Some of them say that
the vampire is gods servant on earth, sent to be an evil thing to
scare the mortals and keep them in line...etc, etc. A few of the
Paths/Roads sound like religions.
Corey Rose
Minion
Narak approached the bed, shrouded in darkness of his own creation.
Sara brushed briefly at her face and turned over to lie on her side.
Narak stepped closer to the bedside, casting a shadow over the white
sheets from the moonlight shining in through the open window behind
him. He reached out to graze a finger down her cheek, then knelt
forward, his mouth opened wide, displaying his gleaming fangs. She
stirred, then suddenly shot up in bed and stared at him with
disbelieving eyes. For a moment he feared she might run and he'd be
forced to restrain her, but slowly her expression of shock gave way to
one of annoyance. She glared at him, looking over his horrifying white
features, then stood up and shoved him with surprising strength. Narak
fell on his back, amazed by her actions. Sara loomed over him, looking
down at him with a gaze coated in hatred. Narak found himself backing
away from her, despite his obvious greater strength and power.
"Well," she finally spoke. "I suppose you intend to embrace me. ME!"
Narak could only nod dumbly. "And what, may I ask, would I be getting
out of this?" Narak slowly twitched his shoulders in an appologizing
shrug. "Did you simply assume I wished to shed my amazing beauty to
look like you??!! Look at that complection, mister! If I didn't know
better, I'd say you were dead. And those ears! Even as far as
Nosferatu go, you are HIDEOUS!" Narak could only sniff and mumble a
pitiful appology.
"Oh no, don't even TRY to make amends now! You make me SICK! You
people think you can just have the run of the world," she flung her
arm out in a wild gesture, "turning anyone you want to vampires!"
A tear slipped down Narak's cheek. "I- I'm s-so sorry." He burried
his face in his hands and began to cry.
"Oh sure, NOW you're sorry. Now get out of here! I don't EVER want to
see you again! If you want to Embrace me, you had better send a clan
of a bit higher class. Maybe a Ventrue, or a Tremere..." She stopped
shouting momentarily to consider what sh wished to become. "Oh, and
don't even try to slip some 13th Generation Neonate in here wasting my
time. If you think I've got the time to spend diablerising people to
lower my generation, you're smoking crack! I have a VERY active social
life, and this must not infringe on it. Now go, before I have to
enforce my words!"
Narak could only choke out a few words as he stumbled ou the window and
disappeared down the street.
~Minion
MATTHEW VAN DIJK
On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Mika Sutinen wrote:
> >> Well arent they all evil? Or would you consider someone
> >> good if he would be sucking blood from your neck?
> >How narrow... Not all Vampires wanted to be vampires.... Think about it...
>
> Well if they hate it why dont they make suicide?
>
>
> MS.
>
Mr. Sutinen, if you, for example, had a problem with some part of your
life, and couldn't stand it and had no way of changing it, would you want
to commit suicide? I know I wouldn't, no matter how loathesome I found it.
Ever time I have a problem or something goes wrong in my life, I don't go
out with the intention of jumping under the bus or picking a fight with a
horde of drunken rednecks. And after all, isn't that part of the tragedy
of being vampire? Not everyone who ever got embraced wants to suffer an
instatiable hunger for blood, and those who decide to make the most of
their new unlives and play it for all it's worth are usually the first to
either spiral into the maw of the Beast or die quick, violent deaths when
the bite off more than they can chew (pun intended). The same is for
Werewolf, Mage and Wraith. Not everyone wants to be a warrior for a losing
cause or a creature that can warp the fabric of reality itself. I can
almost certainly say the Wraiths didn't die by choice. So Mr. Sutinen,
suicide is not the answer to a problem that you can't or aren't willing to
solve. I'm sure they want to watch the sun rise again about as much as you
wish to drink a Drain-O cocktail.
regards,
Monsieur Matteus van Dijk
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