The Rokea
Falk Yew
I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in, and I
figured this would be the best place to look.
1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on them?
2) Has anyone made any house rules to use them in a campaign?
Thanks for any help you can give me,
Kevin
Ryan Clarke
> I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in, and
I
> figured this would be the best place to look.
>
> 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on them?
> 2) Has anyone made any house rules to use them in a campaign?
Unfortunately, there is no Rokea Breedbook, but look to the future...
Excellent information about Rokea can be found in the Werewolf Player's
Guide. But even better data can be found in Hengeyokai (pg 89) under the
title Same-Bito. It really has a basis on the Oriental aspect of the Rokea;
but it is on hell of a good read. There are gifts, form data, breed
information, but no rites. Even the views on the other breeds are
fascinating. A short section, but well done.
Actually, Hengeyokai: Shapeshifters of the East is an incredible book
for all breeds. If you don't own it, try to pick it up. No one I know that
owns the books has ever complained. In fact, that book has been one of the
more popular presents that I give people outside of Ghouls:Fatal Addiction.
It contains Tengu, Zhong Lung, Hakken, Nezumi, Nagah, Kumo, Khan and
Kitsune.
REZcat
Falk Yew <fal...@aol.com> wrote
> Hey all,
> I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in, and
I
> figured this would be the best place to look.
Not a bad idea
> 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on them?
Try the revised Werewolf player's guide, Hengeyokai is also very useful.
Blood Dimmed Tides has quite a bit of info as well.
> 2) Has anyone made any house rules to use them in a campaign?
Not I, though I still want to know how their relationship w/ dolphins will
be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
associate w/ them)
If I were to ever get around to any sea-faring "were" chronicle, I may just
write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
definitely have ideas for them.
> Thanks for any help you can give me,
> Kevin
Your welcome, hope the books listed above are of some use to you.
Ethan Skemp
In article <01bfe7b8$dca40a40$d14939d1@michaels>, "REZcat" <rez...@gwis.com>
wrote:
> Not I, though I still want to know how their relationship w/ dolphins will
> be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
> associate w/ them)
Might as well ask why Stag is a totem to a bunch of friggin' wolves. There's
stags, and then there's Stag; there's wolves, and then there's werewolves;
and there's dolphins, and then there's Rorqual.
> If I were to ever get around to any sea-faring "were" chronicle, I may just
> write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
> definitely have ideas for them.
Nasty little bastards.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
REZcat
REZcat wrote:
though I still want to know how their relationship w/ dolphins will
> > be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
> > associate w/ them)
Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> Might as well ask why Stag is a totem to a bunch of friggin' wolves.
There's
> stags, and then there's Stag; there's wolves, and then there's
werewolves;
> and there's dolphins, and then there's Rorqual.
True enough, I just hope that the issue is addressed in /some/ fashion.
There are few other animal "feuds" that are as well documented as that
between sharks and dolphins. Lions and hyenas maybe, and we know how /that/
turned out WoD style.....
I'm looking forward to breedbook Rokea.
> > If I were to ever get around to any sea-faring "were" chronicle, I may
just
> > write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
> > definitely have ideas for them.
>
> Nasty little bastards.
Yup. :)
Silverfeet
it is only very occasional meetings anyway. This has nothing to do with the
relationship between sharks and dolphins in the slightest.
Silverfeet
"REZcat" <rez...@gwis.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Falk Yew <fal...@aol.com> wrote
> > Hey all,
> > I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in,
and
> I
> > figured this would be the best place to look.
>
> Not a bad idea
>
> > 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on
them?
>
> Try the revised Werewolf player's guide, Hengeyokai is also very useful.
> Blood Dimmed Tides has quite a bit of info as well.
>
> > 2) Has anyone made any house rules to use them in a campaign?
>
> Not I, though I still want to know how their relationship w/ dolphins will
> be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
> associate w/ them)
> If I were to ever get around to any sea-faring "were" chronicle, I may
just
> write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
> definitely have ideas for them.
>
REZcat
Silverfeet <Silve...@btinternet.com> wrote in article
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> Rorquals are wandering caerns, that is why they associate with Rokea -
and
> it is only very occasional meetings anyway. This has nothing to do with
the
> relationship between sharks and dolphins in the slightest.
>
> Silverfeet
I realize that Rorqual are all rather spiritual, etc. I just wondered
why they would ever take the form of Dolphins in any dealings w/ Rokea to
begin with, that's all. It just seems a bit odd. Imagine if a wandering
Bastet(Simba) caern took the form of a hyena, wouldn't that get a bit
strange? An elephant maybe, but a hyena? It just strikes me as going
against the grain to take the form of the direct natural enemy. I do like
Whale Rorqual though. I think they're a neat idea.:)
Spiritually, none of this should matter, but seeing as how shifters are
half spirit, half physical, and the physical halves of the creatures
involved here are commonly directly opposed to one another....... Dolphin
Rorqual don't work for me that's all, which is why I, if ever running an
aquatic shifter chronicle, would use dolphins in another manner, either as
Kami, or a shifting breed themselves. YMMV :)
§pectreWolf
Falk Yew wrote:
> Hey all,
> I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in, and I
> figured this would be the best place to look.
>
> 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on them?
Umm as far as i know, The Changing Breed Book: Rokea, isn't out yet. the place
to get information is the WereWolf Player's handbook
>
> 2) Has anyone made any house rules to use them in a campaign?
>
Nope :-) I havent used em yet. Sea based animals dont intrest me :-)
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me,
> Kevin
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Ethan Skemp
In article <01bfe842$359b02a0$264939d1@michaels>, "REZcat" <rez...@gwis.com>
wrote:
> REZcat wrote:
> though I still want to know how their relationship w/ dolphins will
>> > be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
>> > associate w/ them)
>
> Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
>> Might as well ask why Stag is a totem to a bunch of friggin' wolves.
> There's
>> stags, and then there's Stag; there's wolves, and then there's
> werewolves;
>> and there's dolphins, and then there's Rorqual.
>
> True enough, I just hope that the issue is addressed in /some/ fashion.
I think you can count on that. The Rorqual are a fairly serious issue in
Rokea life, so it would be interesting to see just how much of a Rorqual is
"the spirit in charge" and how much is influenced by the actual host animal.
> There are few other animal "feuds" that are as well documented as that
> between sharks and dolphins. Lions and hyenas maybe, and we know how /that/
> turned out WoD style.....
Heh. Lions are such *bastards*, really. I mean, yes, their lot in life
sucks, and only the ruthless get ahead, but even so...
> I'm looking forward to breedbook Rokea.
As am I.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Chris Campbell
> True enough, I just hope that the issue is addressed in /some/ fashion.
> There are few other animal "feuds" that are as well documented as that
> between sharks and dolphins. Lions and hyenas maybe, and we know how /that/
> turned out WoD style.....
You know how it turned out in 1984. Wait'll you see the fallout, and current
events. <Wicked Grin>
Silverfeet
spirits that took over animals, animals that never lost their spirit half,
or *something else* - like shapeshifters are. But I'll say this. There are
few things in the ocean as intelligent as a cetacean or a cephalopod. Since
the Chulorviah seemed to get the cephalopods, maybe the Rorquals are a
strategic choice? Afterall, sharks don't bother the majority of the animal
forms the Rorquals choose - the dolphin types are actually the rarer forms -
the forms the Rorquals take are immune to sharks by the time they are a year
or so old, with the exception of a few. *only* the relationships between a
couple of shark species and a couple of dolphin species have been noticed -
most sharks and ceatcean species actually seem to ignore each other. But
that aside. If you absolutely have to choose a form that doles out Gnosis to
such a fearsome race as the Rokea, wouldn't *you* choose the one race that
stands an excellent chance of dealing with them on equal or even superior
terms?
Silverfeet
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REZcat
Silverfeet <Silve...@btinternet.com> wrote
(snip intelligent post for sake of brevity. regarding Dolphins as Rorqual)
If you absolutely have to choose a form that doles out Gnosis to
> such a fearsome race as the Rokea, wouldn't *you* choose the one race
that
> stands an excellent chance of dealing with them on equal or even superior
> terms?
>
> Silverfeet
Which is why I like Whales as Rorqual for just that reason. That is a valid
point though.
Falk Yew
and I can't find information anywhere!
Thanks for all the other replies tho, I'll try to get a hold of the Hengeyokai
Kevin
Kish
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>On what page is the Rokea information located? I just got the
werewolf book,
>and I can't find information anywhere!
>
The Werewolf /book/ or the Werewolf Players Guide?
The Rokea are in the Werewolf Players Guide, Hardcover Second Edition.
(They're technically also in the first edition softcover players
guide, but, eh...)
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Falk Yew
have no idea what I'm getting into...
Thanks,
Kevin
REZcat
Falk Yew <fal...@aol.com> wrote
> On what page is the Rokea information located? I just got the werewolf
book,
> and I can't find information anywhere!
Which book are you speaking of? The main Werewolf book doesn't have
anything about the Rokea. If you mean the player's guide, they are on pgs
182-187 of the 2nd ed, and in less detail on pgs 171-174 of the 1st ed.
> Thanks for all the other replies tho, I'll try to get a hold of the
Hengeyokai
definitely, it's a good one :)
§pectreWolf
Falk Yew wrote:
> On what page is the Rokea information located? I just got the werewolf book,
> and I can't find information anywhere!
>
> Thanks for all the other replies tho, I'll try to get a hold of the Hengeyokai
>
> Kevin
Get the Second or even first? (not sure on that one) edition players guide.
Aidan Bowes
>If I were to ever get around to any sea-faring "were" chronicle, I may just
>write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
>definitely have ideas for them.
Sqwaaeeerk
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>
> Sqwaaeeerk
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Ethan Skemp
In article <396A35D7...@zianet.com>, §pectreWolf
<spect...@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Falk Yew wrote:
>
>> On what page is the Rokea information located? I just got the werewolf book,
>> and I can't find information anywhere!
>>
>> Thanks for all the other replies tho, I'll try to get a hold of the
Hengeyokai
>>
>> Kevin
>
> Get the Second or even first? (not sure on that one) edition players guide.
Second edition if you prefer your weresharks with a culture.
(Not that I'm slamming the 1st edition or anything, but the 2nd suffered
from fewer time constraints. Even counting the fact that I was in the office
at 2 AM finishing up the 2nd edition the night before taking off to North
Carolina to go get married.)
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Fyszt
I mean, come on! :)
Ethan Skemp
In article <396BDE15...@er.uqam.ca>, Fyszt <dg29...@er.uqam.ca>
wrote:
> Ethan, why aren't there any official WW were killerwhales?
>
> I mean, come on! :)
Two words: Crinos form.
Cool as orcas are (I even named a fictional hockey team after 'em), I'll
leave them to some other purpose.
This, by the by, is part of the reasoning that I will never admit to any
wereapes ever existing. Monkeys that turn into monkeys, with a bestial
half-monkey/half-monkey war form, is just not...there.
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<alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
>This, by the by, is part of the reasoning that I will never admit to any
>wereapes ever existing. Monkeys that turn into monkeys, with a bestial
>half-monkey/half-monkey war form, is just not...there.
Dammit Skemp, I want to play Dr. Zaius!!!
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Fyszt
Ethan Skemp wrote:
> ----------
> In article <396BDE15...@er.uqam.ca>, Fyszt <dg29...@er.uqam.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Ethan, why aren't there any official WW were killerwhales?
> >
> > I mean, come on! :)
>
> Two words: Crinos form.
I won't let such petty sense-making get in the way of my kewl idea (tm)!
;-)
I could send you a pic I did, just say the word and I'll fish it out, scan
it and e-mail ya...
It is part of why I figure they would be kewl.
> Cool as orcas are (I even named a fictional hockey team after 'em), I'll
> leave them to some other purpose.
Dark purpose? 'Fess up!!! Pretty please?
> This, by the by, is part of the reasoning that I will never admit to any
> wereapes ever existing. Monkeys that turn into monkeys, with a bestial
> half-monkey/half-monkey war form, is just not...there.
But you could have kewl breeds and ...oh bugger that. You make too much
sense :)
Well, in the meantime there will be virtual were-okas in my game...virtual
'cause its in montréal and I don't ever plan to use them, but they'll exist
platonically, as it were.
Falk Yew
create a killer character...
thanks for your help,
kevin
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Ryan Clarke <re...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Kevin,
>
> > I'm hoping to get information on the Rokea in a campaign I'm in,
and
> I
> > figured this would be the best place to look.
> >
> > 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on
them?
>
Isn't it sad that there is no Rokea Breedbook but there IS a Nuwisha
Breedbook?
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
and
> I
> > figured this would be the best place to look.
>
>
> > 1) Is there a Rokea book? If not, what books contain information on
them?
>
> Blood Dimmed Tides has quite a bit of info as well.
>
>
> be handled and explained. (like as to why Dolphin rorqual would even
> associate w/ them)
just
> write up my own weredolphins though, just for shits and giggles. I
> definitely have ideas for them.
>
> > Kevin
>
>
A great book for information on the Rokea and a lot of other water-related
critters is "Blood Dimmed Tides". It is a world of darkness book so it has
information on all the different aspects of the WoD!
World of Darkness: Blood-Dimmed Tides
The Blood-Dimmed Tide Is Loosed
Not all of the World of Darkness' fearsome denizens haunt the cities or
stalk the woods. At the bottom of wine-dark seas lurk ancient horrors
unknowable to humanity, creatures that prowl the fringes of a world wholly
unlike our own. And sometimes hunger drives these creatures to swim upward
in search of prey..
And Everywhere the Ceremony of Innocence Is Drowned
World of Darkness: Blood-Dimmed Tides is a sourcebook exploring the oceans
of the World of Darkness, from the vampires and shapeshifters that have
learned to call such depths home to the hideous creatures that lurk in the
deepest ocean trenches. Suitable for players and Storytellers alike, this
book offers advice and rules for taking existing characters on "fishing
trips," or even for running ocean-based chronicles as a change of pace.
Explore the other 70% of the World of Darkness - the water's a little cold,
but you get used to it.
Retail Price: $17.95 Stock #: 3350
Imprint: White Wolf ISBN: 1-56504-354-5
Ryan Clarke
> Isn't it sad that there is no Rokea Breedbook but there IS a Nuwisha
> Breedbook?
I had to think about your post before answering. I love the Nuwisha to
a fault; but I think that you might have a point about the Rokea. The
Nuwisha could have been an extension to the Werewolf psychology
(specifically Bone Gnawer), whereas the Rokea would be so alien in thought
and deed, it would have been one hell of a read. I really can't wait for
the Rokea book now. I just want to see how differently they percieve the
world. There aren't that many contacts or resources in the ocean.
Everything is skewed.
The Nuwisha was a hilarious read; the Rokea will be a powerful read into
something so different, almost incomprehensible. Talk about primative life,
the Sharks will have a perspective unlike any other. I can't wait.
All my best,
Ryan Clarke
Daniel Super
admirable. But wouldn't the homid form of the Rokea be 'fully' human? It might
have some 'subtle' sharklike traits, like slightly rough skin, and a penchant
for being near water, but it should be undistinguishably human. If it had these
highly noticible differences you describe a homid Rokea would never make it to
its first change in a modern society without being discovered by doctors.
Also, a homid with the features you describe would be impossible. A human form
with a carteligenous (sp?) skeleton couldn't walk on land, being far to 'soft'
to withstand gravity without the bouyancy of water. The vastly different
digestive system and oil filled liver would also limit its land based
effectiveness to the point of being improbable to impossible.
In the "pure" forms the Rokea would be undistinguishable from a real human or
shark. What interests me are the intermediate forms. Although I can picture the
Crinos form quite well (a certain TMNT toy from my youth comes to mind) the
other forms are very hard to picture. What would be the major changes to the
equivalent of the hispo form?
Dan
Ryan Clarke wrote:
> My lord Joe,
>
> I was just thinking about the Rokea, and wondering if there was anything
> that would really make the Rokea stand out from the rest of the breeds.
> Then the idea struck me, the Rokea are so fundamentally different from all
> the other changing breeds due to their biological systems. The Rokea came
> from the precursors to the Mokole. The pyschological and sociological basis
> of the Rokea lies in their biological differences and environmental
> conditions. So I had a few ideas... but keep in mind, I don't understand
> mechanics, I don't use them, so please don't flame me with mechanics. I
> just won't understand.
>
> Biological Basis:
> Let's consider the Chondrichthyes in a biological sense. Sharks are
> streamlined and swift swimmers with a lack of maneuverability, due to a
> strong caudal fin for propulsion, pectoral and pelvic fins for lift in the
> water, and a dorsal fin for stability. The shark's skin is usually
> abrasive. Buoyancy is maintained by a large oil deposit in its liver,
> though admittedly the shark will still sink if not actively swimming.
> While moving, the shark passively passes water over its gills. Contrary to
> most ideas of the shark and rays, a cartilaginous fish can stop swimming and
> still survive, though the fish must actively pump water over it's gills.
> The nostrils of the fish are solely used for olfaction. The shark's eyes
> are unable to distinguish colour; but have acute vision. The shark's head
> has two regions of skin that can detect electrical fields made by muscle
> contractions of nearby animals. Of course, the lateral line system of the
> shark can sense vibrations. Sharks can hear percussion as the sound in the
> water is sensed by the entire body and transferred to the "inner ear-like"
> organs. A shorter digestive tract has a spiral valve that increases the
> surface area for maximum digestion. The shark's reproduction is viciously
> complicated, so I won't even begin. Add to all of this, their cartilaginous
> skeletons, and we have an interesting creature with odd psychological
> ramifications.
>
> Psychological Ramifications:
> A cartilaginous fish in the water is an effective killer. On soil, the
> shark's benefits in the water become hindrances. A Homid Rokea may well be
> as strong as an ox; but the dexterity would suffer. The stamina of the
> homid is dependant on the flexibility of the skeleton. Massive lifting is
> out of the question, but a Homid Rokea could probably sprint like a demon.
> Prolonged pressure on the cartilage would be excruciating. The
> cartilaginous skeleton would ensure that the Rokea Homid would have to
> return to water often. Obsessive compulsion to water would be common.
> While the cartilaginous skeleton does allow for some stamina increases, the
> fundamental weaknesses of the system would make the Rokea Homid very eager
> to swim and very defensive of areas where protection is lacking.
>
> Think of the continued input from the shark's senses. Vibrations,
> electrical fields and keen eye sight would make the Homid incredibly
> irritable. Sudden pressure shifts, strong winds, and electrical wires might
> just drive the Homid into frenzy. Attention deficit disorder could be
> attributed to the Homid Rokea. A listlessness and irritability would be
> further increased by the Homid's lack of true hearing and colour sight. The
> world that we live in is based on flashes of light and noise. This would
> cause some problems with a Homid interacting with a large audience.
> Isolating tendencies could be formed due interaction stress.
>
> I wouldn't say that the Homid form would be ugly, but more towards the
> primitive. Biplanar features, and muscle tone (not mass) might be a feature
> of the Homid form. The Rokea's abrasive skin would keep the Homid clear of
> casual contact and once again, provide ample reason for self-isolation.
> Continued isolation could lead to a xenophobic response to anything.
>
> Due to the extreme differences in respiration between shark and Homid
> forms, we could well see a mouth breathing Homid constantly gasping for air.
> Would the Homid Rokea have to concentrate on breathing? I don't know, but I
> don't think that most Rokea would know either. I sense sleep deprivation
> (worried about suffocation), sleep apnea and nightmares would create a manic
> state. If kept out of water for an extended time, I wouldn't doubt that the
> Homid Rokea would be subject to hallucinations and delusions, due lack of
> sleep and senses overload.
>
> The digestive system would ensure that the Rokea Homid would not be
> prone to overeating, but with susceptablity to spices and other ingested
> poisons. A Rokea Homid would not enjoy wating in company, and would
> probably not be experimental or risk-taking with food. This is a cruel
> mistress considering the state of food today.
>
> The oil in the liver, would probably cause pain in prolonged pressure
> differencials. This would probably keep the Rokea as close to water as
> possible, and forget any travel to the mountains, or by air. These
> considerations would keep the Rokea Homid homebound. This territoriality
> would induce paranoia, with the Homid Rokea quickly noticing any differences
> in its "near-native" habitat. A Homid Rokea could well seem to be a
> paranioac schizoid, if left on land for extended times.
>
> In Conclusion (finally):
> I wish to thank all that read this far. You have my admiration and
> respect for your tolerance. I wouldn't mind hearing any other
> ramifications, or biological incongruencies. No flames please. If you
> don't like what I have posted, please post your own hypothesis. I welcome
> all suggestions, ideas and calls for reference material. Though I must say,
> that I didn't touch on evolutionary history, any ideas would be welcome.
>
> All my best,
>
> Ryan Clarke
>
> P.S. Please pardon any spelling errors, as I am watching "Chinatown" as well
> as typing.
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
>
> Ryan Clarke
Oh, I agree whole-heartedly. Personally, I like the Nuwisha as well
(though I thought the book could have been done a little bit better).
However, I like the Rokea and if they are going to information on the
Same-Bito in the Hengeyokai book, they should have some info on the Rokea
for regular werewolf players.
Joe
Ryan Clarke
All my best,
Ryan Clarke
P.S. Please pardon any spelling errors, as I am watching "Chinatown" as well
as typing.
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
I agree of everything that you have written. However, here is something
that people don't tend to think a lot about; do the Rokea go on land
frequently? I don't personally think they do and that is the reason (in my
opinion) they released "the Blood Dimmed Tides".
The book, if you haven't read it yet, deals with water-related storyline.
They have stuff in there for the rokea (werewolf), water nymphs, merfolk,
and a few others (changeling), the drowned, water wraiths, and other
interesting dark water manifestations (wraith), Sea Gangrel and other sea
vampires (one of the most interesting in my opinion for Vampire. it
definately adds a new looks to it all), as well as a lot of others including
the Lost City of Atlantis, Kraken, Deep Sea Critters (some can be pretty sca
ry), and a whole lot more.
Personally, I would remove a Rokea from a water scene. There are some
questions that should probably be addressed. For one, in a White Shark, if
it is out of the water for too long, the shear pressure of gravity crushes
it. Second, what is a Rokea's weakness affecting Gnosis because the books
says they are unaffected by silver. How aout a Glabro Rokea? What does it
look like?
Also, can they swim in fresh water?
There are a few things that you can always add to make a Rokea chronicle
more interesting. Underwater Cities are ALWAYS fun. You can make them
explore the great depths of the sea to find things like Leviathan (who could
be a form of either the Wyrm or Gaia depending on the 'religions
undertones'.). Since there is so little known about a lot of sharks, a
Rokea story would be fun because it is open to interpretation with little
way to disclaim some of the GM made rules. Hell, sharks don't catch
diseases so that right there makes a pretty strong character. You could say
that the werewolves got their regenerative qualities from the Rokea; not
Gaia.
I like the Rokea. They are quite interesting. Thank you so far for an
interesting conversation. Sometimes belonging to this newsgroup really
makes me happy.
Joe
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I wouldn't want to see a Glabro Rokea. I would shit my pants
just thinking about it. I get creeped out swimming in a lake where I can't
see anything below me!
I don't see a Rokea leaving the shore areas too often. I figure them
(throughout history) to be the Pirates, Fishermen, Treasure Hunters, Sea
Hermits, and Old Man of the Sea type characters.
Joe
Ryan Clarke
>But wouldn't the homid form of the Rokea be 'fully' human? It might
> have some 'subtle' sharklike traits, like slightly rough skin, and a
penchant
> for being near water, but it should be undistinguishably human. If it had
these
> highly noticible differences you describe a homid Rokea would never make
it to
> its first change in a modern society without being discovered by doctors.
I can understand the thinking behind this. But the Rokea are SO
different from the other changing breeds that I wanted to preserve some of
that singularity. Unlike the other breeds, we have a specimen that is so
primitive in form and function, that it would be a shame not to utilize some
aspects. The Rokea could even pre-date the Mokole for age! And the
biological differences are so vastly different from anything we have ever
encountered...
> Also, a homid with the features you describe would be impossible. A human
form
> with a carteligenous (sp?) skeleton couldn't walk on land, being far to
'soft'
> to withstand gravity without the bouyancy of water. The vastly different
> digestive system and oil filled liver would also limit its land based
> effectiveness to the point of being improbable to impossible.
The specific Homid Rokea changes are beyond my ken. I would like to
keep the cartilage, and other species specific traits, with minor addendums.
You see, the skeletal structure is one the major sticking points of the
Rokea. I thought about it, and with moderate re-inforcing, the cartilage
could be quite strong. In reality, the sharki cartilage is quite resilient
and remarkably tough to tear (trust me, I had to disect more than one in
some of my labs). And being the pre-cursor to bone, cartilage could be
easily added to "Gaia-style" and not remove its uniqueness. As for the
other systems, I don't quite know what to do with them. This is just a
theory, and I am quite interested in what White Wolf will do with the Homid
form.
> In the "pure" forms the Rokea would be undistinguishable from a real human
or
> shark. What interests me are the intermediate forms. Although I can
picture the
> Crinos form quite well (a certain TMNT toy from my youth comes to mind)
the
> other forms are very hard to picture. What would be the major changes to
the
> equivalent of the hispo form?
Perhaps the ramifications of biology would be more apparent in the
alternate forms. I need to think on this. Thank you for your comments and
ideas. You have given me much to think about. We will probably converse
further, once I regiment my thoughts.
Ethan Skemp
In article <exsc5.2096$%P2.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, "His Lordship,
Sir Joseph the Wise" <gilco...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>> Ryan Clarke
>
>
> Oh, I agree whole-heartedly. Personally, I like the Nuwisha as well
> (though I thought the book could have been done a little bit better).
> However, I like the Rokea and if they are going to information on the
> Same-Bito in the Hengeyokai book, they should have some info on the Rokea
> for regular werewolf players.
And we will. It's just that I can only do so many books each year, and I
don't want the majority of them to be Changing Breed Books (I prefer keeping
the emphasis on the werewolves). Rokea slipped toward the end of the line
because it took a while to find an author who could do a really good job on
the book, *and* was willing to write an entire book on the subject. Better
to do it *right* than to do it quick, I say.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
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Once again, I agree. I know that there is a pretty nice audience for the
changing breeds out there and I know quite a few people who really like the
Rokea. Most of the White Wolf stuff has been of high quality although
occasionally an "iffy" one pops up.
Joe
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Hey, if the creators of the game are willing to put in countless hours of
work to come up with it, those of us who enjoy playing should do just the
same if not more! heh heh
joe
Ryan Clarke
> It is a game. Game. G-A-M-E. Not bioengineering.
I realize that Werewolf is just a game. Hell, I even know how to spell
game. This is just fun, man. I called it a theory, and that is what it is.
That is the fun part. Making assumptions, and guesses about behaviour of
mythical, nonexistent creatures. Of course, having a basis somewhere for
these assumptions makes the guesses a little more coherent and regimented.
White Wolf will present a book in the new year, covering this subject; until
then I just want to play around with ideas and hear people's ideas.
Be calm, enjoy the thread, and more importantly make a few theories
yourself. It's a ton of fun.
Daniel Super
Ryan Clarke wrote:
> All my best,
>
> Ryan Clarke
Honestly, this has been one of the most intereting and satisfying threads I
have participated in on this newsgroup. Ryan's information on shark physiology
(sp) and his ideas for the Rokea species are extremely detailed and gave me a
lot to think about. I hope to keep the discussion going with more ideas, as soon
as I think of some.
Dan
Angela Christine
>In the "pure" forms the Rokea would be undistinguishable from a real human or
>shark. What interests me are the intermediate forms. Although I can picture the
>Crinos form quite well (a certain TMNT toy from my youth comes to mind) the
>other forms are very hard to picture. What would be the major changes to the
>equivalent of the hispo form?
I have trouble even picturing the Crinos form, despite small
plastic visual aids. If you stick legs on the giant shark form
that would increase water resistance and make it harder to swim.
But if you don't stick legs on 'em they can't move on land at
all.
Maybe short, 12" or so, lizard-type legs under a giant shark
form? In the water the legs could fold up and in leaving 4 small
bumps that wouldn't impede swiming too much. On land he'd be
funny looking in a terrifying sort of way, but he would be able
to scurry along at a fair pace.
I dunno, are there any amphibious shark-like creatures in RL?
Angela Christine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~aca(at)telus.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."
Daniel Super
Angela Christine wrote:
> Rumor has it that Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In the "pure" forms the Rokea would be undistinguishable from a real human or
> >shark. What interests me are the intermediate forms. Although I can picture the
> >Crinos form quite well (a certain TMNT toy from my youth comes to mind) the
> >other forms are very hard to picture. What would be the major changes to the
> >equivalent of the hispo form?
>
> I have trouble even picturing the Crinos form, despite small
> plastic visual aids. If you stick legs on the giant shark form
> that would increase water resistance and make it harder to swim.
> But if you don't stick legs on 'em they can't move on land at
> all.
>
You know, I went to try and find a picture of that toy, so I could link to it and
found some pretty funny stuff, like a list of all the TMNT toys they ever made. Did
you know they had a Farmer Mike with Turtle Tractor toy? How many kids do you think
bought that? They also did Star Trek turtles !! Its sad when a company trys
desperatly to hold on to a series that is no longer popular. Anyway, I couldn't find
a pic of the one I was thinking of, byt ohh well, maybe when I have more time.
Dan
Silverfeet
biology and I have just started reading up on the shark-human myths that
exist across coastal (and some inland sea) cultures. That's a lot of
interesting material out there to make sense of :)
Silverfeet
Silverfeet
what you wrote, Ryan.
For the most part, that is a very solid idea, I like a fair a bit of it. But
there are some things I want to comment on.
Let's start with the biggie: the cartilagenous skeleton. I fully understand
and applaud your quest for having a homid form that is somewhat alien, more
akin to the ananasi than the more pristine homid forms of the other Changing
Breeds. However, having a cartilagenous skeleton, I feel, is not the way to
go, purely because of gravitational concerns - not just because the homid is
on land, but also because of the form of the homid. The human stance is not
the most gravitationally-friendly postures natural selection chose for
humans, and has created some evolutionary problems that a healthy human is
barely aware of.
However, if you look at the process of human development, you will notice
how babies are born with a lot of excess and temporary cartilage where, in
the adult state, only (or mostly) bone is found. Aside from the ears and
nose, which retain a fair amount of cartilage throughout life, I am
partilcularly thinking of the wrists and ankles. The vertebrate bone is what
gives the flexibility to humans - and other "boney vertebrates". However,
the Rokea is a creature that has moved away from the human blood. In keeping
with the Players Guide 2nd edition, there is even less human blood in the
Rokea than there is in the Red Talon, and we know the Red Talons have
problems. With the hassle of coping with terrestrial gravity, I would
suggest you go with the basic human *bone* skeleton, but consider
cartilagenous padding. The cartilage will of course be present in the normal
places found in humans, but in vastly increased amd, of course, strengthed
form - the ears, nose, joints, spine, for example. This will lend immense
support to the Rokea in homid form. Feats of strength will certain become
easier for the imdividual. BUT, with the increased cartilage, comes a
decreased flexibility. Bending those knees and wrists just isn't going to be
quite so simple any more, and will probably add to the entire feeling of
weight that the Rokea will suffer when on land. Perhaps if you want the
Rokea homid to have human flexibility, especially in the spine, you could
use the specialised muscle and ceratotrichia arrangements found in the
hybodonts - which would look damn peculiar in an x-ray or dissection :)
Tooth structure is a nice, simple and relative subtle consideration: You can
still have the tooth whorl found in sharks. There are several extant species
that only have one row of teeth (instead of the tripple rows made famous by
documentaries and horror films) at any one time, but which still cycles as
in other sharks. This would make the gumline seem relatively normal to
humans, but hide the abnormal truth (which would of course show up in
x-rays) - of course there would not be nearly as many teeth to cycle as in
shark form, and the jaw would be thicker and larger than a normal humans.
However, I favour the idea of a homid form that has a carnivorous digestive
system instead of an omnivorous one. The teeth will have more in common with
a cat's dentition, or a dogs than a humans (less teeth, more specialised),
the digestive tract will be very short, like a carnivores - far shorter than
a humans. This means the Rokea won't be eating too many vegetable matter. He
won't throw such food up if he eats it or anything melodramatic like that,
but it might give him indegestion or the runs for a little while - he
certainly wouldn't get much nutritional benefit from it.
Just some comments on what you wrote:
Biological Basis
The liver deposits usually keep the shark's liver density to 0.95 g/ml
(liver mass being 25% of the shark's body mass) compared to the 1.030 g/ml
density of water. They are almost neutrally bouyant when not swimming - so
they won't sink like a stone if they stop swimming, it'll be far more gentle
and gradual. The nostrils of some sharks do have ampullae of Lorenzini, so
sometimes nostrils are used to focus the elecromagnetic field as well as
being used for olfaction. Many sharks, especially the ones found lower in
the sea column, are extremely sensitive to the ultra-violet and blue-green
colour spectrum, this is often based on the camouflage pigments used by
particular prey species.
Of course, you are right in many of the irritations homid life would cause a
Rokea. The Rokea react to vibrations caused by movement, the electromagnetic
field, they have extremely sensntive eyesight in dim lighting conditions,
they have an excellent sense of smell. In homid form, they have lost the
light sensitivity, the sense of smell, their skin feels like dead weight,
and their sense of balance and direction might be fried by loss of
connection to their electroreceptors. In addition to your list, even clothes
would cause great distress, rubbing up against their skin, an organ they
once used to relaibly detect the movements of fish they were not even in
contact with.
Psychologically
Well, aside from just feeling like a fish out of water, they are going to
hate the gravity, the visual cues, the lack of familiar sensory cues, they
are likely to be motion sick (due to the emphasis on the ear creating
balance and not electrorecptors), they are going to suffer a salt
dependency, freshwater is likely to dehydrate them...
A Rokea won't have to concentrate on breathing in homid form, but it might
have trouble adapting, a panting style of breathing might not be totally out
of the question. But I wonder if this would be convered in the Rokea
Breedbook. Birds actually breathe in a n opposite manner to humans. When the
human chest relaxes, breath is forced out of our body and we then actively
(metabolically speaking) have to breathe air in. Birds are the opposite.
When their chest relaxes, air rushes into their body and they have to use up
energy to breathe the air back out again. I am quite sure reverse breathing
could be a problem for many Corax. But then again, it might not. Certainly
it would not be totally out of order to suggest the first time a Rokea
breathes air it would fold in agony - akin to a baby human taking it's first
lungful of air after spending nine months in a sack full of liquid. Like the
cartilage, I would scrub the idea of oil existing in the liver in homid
form, but a particularly enlarged liver for a human might well be
appropriate.
Anyway, this is a preliminary response, as I haven't had the opportunity to
think much about the Rokea in the WoD (I don't use them as of yet). You
definitely have a good start with what you have written, despite some of my
disagreements, I certainly think you have covered the idea of the
psychological ramifications of being thrust onto land well.
Silverfeet
Ryan Clarke
> For the most part, that is a very solid idea, I like a fair a bit of it.
But
> there are some things I want to comment on.
Actually, I think I gave everyone the wrong impression. I am not a
physiology major at all. I went for a much more genetic approach to
biology. The shark knowledge is that of generalized comparative physiology
courses that I took as supplementals. Your extra information is incredibly
extensive and very useful. Thank you very much for contributing to this
idea. Of course between you and I, we both know that biology is
insufficient to explain most psychological attributes; but my data on sharks
is generally biological in conjunction to environmental constraints... so
let's have fun! Oh, and please excuse the editing I did to your post. I
assure you that I have a hard copy already in my hands.
> Let's start with the biggie: the cartilagenous skeleton.
Damned gravity Perhaps the greatest detriment to earth-bound evolution.
The skeleton is the weakest part of my theory.
>With the hassle of coping with terrestrial gravity, I would
> suggest you go with the basic human *bone* skeleton, but consider
> cartilagenous padding. The cartilage will of course be present in the
normal
> places found in humans, but in vastly increased amd, of course, strengthed
> form - the ears, nose, joints, spine, for example. This will lend immense
> support to the Rokea in homid form. Feats of strength will certain become
> easier for the imdividual. BUT, with the increased cartilage, comes a
> decreased flexibility. Bending those knees and wrists just isn't going to
be
> quite so simple any more, and will probably add to the entire feeling of
> weight that the Rokea will suffer when on land.
Very good idea. Maintaining the cartilage would be one of my
priorities. And the weakness that you suggest is fitting. Re-inforcement
is a must as you suggest; I just didn't want the Rokea to be just killing
machines (depends on the person, I guess). The lack of dexterity is a good
trade-off for increased strength.
> However, I favour the idea of a homid form that has a carnivorous
digestive
> system instead of an omnivorous one. The teeth will have more in common
with
> a cat's dentition, or a dogs than a humans (less teeth, more specialised),
> the digestive tract will be very short, like a carnivores - far shorter
than
> a humans. This means the Rokea won't be eating too many vegetable matter.
He
> won't throw such food up if he eats it or anything melodramatic like that,
> but it might give him indegestion or the runs for a little while - he
> certainly wouldn't get much nutritional benefit from it.
An ideal compromise to my original suggestion. And your further
explainations of shark physiology are greatly appreciated. The information
about the nostrils was especially useful and fun.
> Of course, you are right in many of the irritations homid life would cause
a
> Rokea. The Rokea react to vibrations caused by movement, the
electromagnetic
> field, they have extremely sensntive eyesight in dim lighting conditions,
> they have an excellent sense of smell. In homid form, they have lost the
> light sensitivity, the sense of smell, their skin feels like dead weight,
> and their sense of balance and direction might be fried by loss of
> connection to their electroreceptors. In addition to your list, even
clothes
> would cause great distress, rubbing up against their skin, an organ they
> once used to relaibly detect the movements of fish they were not even in
> contact with.
I didn't want to make clothing a real problem. The "fish out of water"
theme is great; but I still want Rokea to be playable as Homids. But the
penalties to dexterity due to sense loss are interesting concepts. I need
to think more on which senses go and which senses stay.
> A Rokea won't have to concentrate on breathing in homid form, but it might
> have trouble adapting, a panting style of breathing might not be totally
out
> of the question. But I wonder if this would be convered in the Rokea
> Breedbook.
The respiratory system is a wonderful thing to play around with. It is
so different, that I thought there might be real problems coming to grips
with this completely new style. Imagine the first change. Whether homid or
shark, that would cull the Rokea herd almost immediately. I want this.
This would have ramifications so fascinating to roleplaying. Wow, must
think about this, must think about this, must....
>Like the
> cartilage, I would scrub the idea of oil existing in the liver in homid
> form, but a particularly enlarged liver for a human might well be
> appropriate.
The oil, the oil, what to do with the oil? You are probably right on
this one. This would be far too restrictive, now that I think of it. I
just don't want Rokea in airplanes, or in the mountains. The pressure
changes would probably suffice to keep the Rokea in a static environment.
> Anyway, this is a preliminary response, as I haven't had the opportunity
to
> think much about the Rokea in the WoD (I don't use them as of yet). You
> definitely have a good start with what you have written, despite some of
my
> disagreements, I certainly think you have covered the idea of the
> psychological ramifications of being thrust onto land well.
To be honest, I never thought about the Rokea much before this thread
either. It is a new concept to use biology to explain psychology. It was
the only tool I had at the time. You know what? I am seriously enjoying
this thread. Your input really puts another facet on the Rokea as I saw
them. That is why I am here; for the alternative perspectives. Well, I
have to go think more on this very interesting subject.
Angela Christine
>Hmm, I have done a fair bit of shark biology myself, so here's my input to
>what you wrote, Ryan.
>
>For the most part, that is a very solid idea, I like a fair a bit of it. But
>there are some things I want to comment on.
>
>Let's start with the biggie: the cartilagenous skeleton. I fully understand
>and applaud your quest for having a homid form that is somewhat alien, more
>akin to the ananasi than the more pristine homid forms of the other Changing
>Breeds.
This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans? There
is a chance she could give birth to homid breed Rokea, one that
would be half human. Would these oddities be less pronounced in
the few homid breed Rokea?
Oh, what a thought, suppose he mates with a bloody tourist? The
beaches are filled with tourists these days. Then suppose she
goes home to some dry, land-locked and mountinous place. Suppose
he mate with a tourist from Colorado or Luxomburg! Can you have
your first change in cloronated swimming pool? *shudder*
>However, having a cartilagenous skeleton, I feel, is not the way to
>go, purely because of gravitational concerns - not just because the homid is
>on land, but also because of the form of the homid. The human stance is not
>the most gravitationally-friendly postures natural selection chose for
>humans, and has created some evolutionary problems that a healthy human is
>barely aware of.
Eh? Evolutionanary problems? I'm not aware of any evolutionary
problems? Unless you mean the bit about falling over. I'm
barely aware of that one. :) Care to elaborate?
Angela Christine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~aca(at)telus.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.
--Anon
Daniel Super
Angela Christine wrote:
>
>
> This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans? There
> is a chance she could give birth to homid breed Rokea, one that
> would be half human. Would these oddities be less pronounced in
> the few homid breed Rokea?
>
Umm, oww, think of the rash that the rough skin would leave. I think a tendancy
to rough skin is one of the better ideas if Rokea were made into one of the more
freakish breeds.
>
> Oh, what a thought, suppose he mates with a bloody tourist? The
> beaches are filled with tourists these days. Then suppose she
> goes home to some dry, land-locked and mountinous place. Suppose
> he mate with a tourist from Colorado or Luxomburg! Can you have
> your first change in cloronated swimming pool? *shudder*
Even worse, could you immagine the hapless pool cleaner who walks in and sees a
half-shark thing swimming in the pool, in frenzy from the pain of the chlorene?
CHOMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I was thinking was at a lake at boyscout camp. Poor thing would probably end
up eating half his troup.
>
>
> Eh? Evolutionanary problems? I'm not aware of any evolutionary
> problems? Unless you mean the bit about falling over. I'm
> barely aware of that one. :) Care to elaborate?
>
Umm, lower back pain and difficult birthing due to the weird pelvic structure are
the 2 that come to mind off hand.
Dan
Robert G. Shimmin
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Daniel Super wrote:
> > Eh? Evolutionanary problems? I'm not aware of any evolutionary
> > problems? Unless you mean the bit about falling over. I'm
> > barely aware of that one. :) Care to elaborate?
> >
>
> Umm, lower back pain and difficult birthing due to the weird pelvic structure are
> the 2 that come to mind off hand.
I've heard the back pain thing before, but don't particularly buy it.
"Lower back pain," whatever it is, is curiously absent from the medical
literature prior to 1950 or so. Our skeletal structure may leave us
susceptible to it, but I strongly suspect some psychosomatic element is
frequently involved as well.
--RS
Ethan Skemp
In article <397597f5...@news.telus.net>, aca.Rem...@telus.net
(Angela Christine) wrote:
> This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex" with
humans. That's just...odd.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
REZcat
Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> (Angela Christine) wrote:
>
> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
>
> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
with
> humans. That's just...odd.
Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
Silverfeet
> problems? Unless you mean the bit about falling over. I'm
> barely aware of that one. :) Care to elaborate?
Like I said, healthy humans barely notice it, but it centres around strain
on the shoulders, spine, rib cages and pelvic bones, pregnancy and birth in
females. These are problems that natural selection deal with, leaving
functioning humans unaware of any such problems until some smart-alec in a
lab somewhere stands up and says "Hang on, just why the hell are we designed
like this anyway?!" *grin*
Silverfeet
Silverfeet
clasper-balance-"ohmigod-it's-3D-sex" problem with shark reproduction that
turns shark sex into something that is so carefully choreographed and
strategically planned it would make a Garou military offenseive look
amatuerish. Rokea are going to have an odd view on sex as well :)
Silverfeet
"Ethan Skemp" <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> ----------
> In article <397597f5...@news.telus.net>, aca.Rem...@telus.net
> (Angela Christine) wrote:
>
> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
>
> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
with
> humans. That's just...odd.
>
> --
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
Ethan Skemp
In article <01bff194$d0a39ae0$LocalHost@michaels>, "REZcat"
<rez...@gwis.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
>
>> (Angela Christine) wrote:
>>
>> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
>> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
>> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
>>
>> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
> with
>> humans. That's just...odd.
>
> Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
Sadly...yes.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Aidan Bowes
<snip>
> whereas the Rokea would be so alien in thought
>and deed, it would have been one hell of a read
Having just read book 2 of Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders trilogy, I would
also point there for such an alien viewpoint. Of course, it's probably just
because I love the book anyway :).
Picks-at-Flies I raise my voice in Gaia's name...
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6700/
a.k.a. Aidan Bowes ... And howl to the hearts of men.
Kish
Angela Christine wrote in message
<397597f5...@news.telus.net>...
>This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
>has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
>is a chance she could give birth to homid breed Rokea, one that
>would be half human.
No. She'd produce Rokea Kinfolk--always Kinfolk. That Rokea would
need to pick one of the few homid Rokea Kinfolk there are around to
have any chance of homid breed Rokea. I /believe//--I'm not
absolutely certain of it. (The Werewolf Players Guide 2.)
--
Kish
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AIM: Kish K M
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His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Robert G. Shimmin <shi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Daniel Super wrote:
>
> > > problems? Unless you mean the bit about falling over. I'm
> > > barely aware of that one. :) Care to elaborate?
> > >
> >
structure are
> > the 2 that come to mind off hand.
>
> I've heard the back pain thing before, but don't particularly buy it.
> "Lower back pain," whatever it is, is curiously absent from the medical
> literature prior to 1950 or so. Our skeletal structure may leave us
> susceptible to it, but I strongly suspect some psychosomatic element is
> frequently involved as well.
> --RS
>
I think lower back pain can be related to bad posture and the large amount
of sitting done after the 1950's. Before then, there was an emphasis on
proper stance and posture (especially among the young ladies). Also, there
was always a large number of jobs that required people to be standing;
whether it was farming or factory work.
Nowadays there are quite a few jobs that require a lot of sitting. I think
a combination of sitting and standing and bad posture has developed the back
pain that so many people experience.
joe
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> ----------
> In article <397597f5...@news.telus.net>, aca.Rem...@telus.net
> (Angela Christine) wrote:
>
> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
>
with
> humans. That's just...odd.
>
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
I dunno. I guess it could always fall into the same category as when a
Nosferatu embraces a really beautiful person.
Joe
Stephenls
> No. She'd produce Rokea Kinfolk--always Kinfolk. That Rokea would
> need to pick one of the few homid Rokea Kinfolk there are around to
> have any chance of homid breed Rokea. I /believe//--I'm not
> absolutely certain of it. (The Werewolf Players Guide 2.)
Actually, You're /almost/ right. If a "lupus" Rokea breeds with a
normal human, they will /always/ pruduce Kinfolk. If a "lupus" Rokea
breeds with a homid kinfolk, they will /always/ /every time/ produce a
Rokea, although it's breed will depend on whether the Rokea was male or
female.
Hmmm. A "lupus" Rokea that breeds with a (non-kinfolk) shark /always/
produces a Rokea. Will a homid Rokea/normal (non-kinfolk) person
pairing /always/ produce a homid Rokea? Or is it just that there are
/no/ non-kinfolk sharks in existence?
If the first option were true, there would soon be no normal people,
just Rokea.
Did anyone see a "and you shall be overrun with shark-people" Gehenna
prophesy?
--
Stephenls
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There is no existence beyond what we read. If you present the persona of
a humorless twit, then you are one, as far as the net is concerned."
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errors in their products, and then tries to cover them up by saying
they meant to do that. I suppose that's easier to believe then that
WW could make a game element that they dislike. Which is mainly a
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Ethan Skemp
In article <eGtd5.2676$%P2.3...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, "His Lordship,
Sir Joseph the Wise" <gilco...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
> Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> news:Wjjd5.6607$I76.4...@monger.newsread.com...
>> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
> with
>> humans. That's just...odd.
>
> I dunno. I guess it could always fall into the same category as when a
> Nosferatu embraces a really beautiful person.
Without turning this into yet another poorly rationalized rape thread, I've
always seen Rokea as ruthlessly pragmatic. If you violate a human to "get
even" at them (and remember, the original idea was that of a Rokea getting
even with a *shark* partner by having sex with a human), you still have way
too many humans in the world. Much simpler and more efficient by far just to
*eat* them.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Ethan Skemp
In article <3976AE04...@dccnet.com>, Stephenls <step...@dccnet.com>
wrote:
> Kish wrote:
>
>> No. She'd produce Rokea Kinfolk--always Kinfolk. That Rokea would
>> need to pick one of the few homid Rokea Kinfolk there are around to
>> have any chance of homid breed Rokea. I /believe//--I'm not
>> absolutely certain of it. (The Werewolf Players Guide 2.)
>
> Actually, You're /almost/ right. If a "lupus" Rokea breeds with a
> normal human, they will /always/ pruduce Kinfolk. If a "lupus" Rokea
> breeds with a homid kinfolk, they will /always/ /every time/ produce a
> Rokea, although it's breed will depend on whether the Rokea was male or
> female.
>
> Hmmm. A "lupus" Rokea that breeds with a (non-kinfolk) shark /always/
> produces a Rokea. Will a homid Rokea/normal (non-kinfolk) person
> pairing /always/ produce a homid Rokea? Or is it just that there are
> /no/ non-kinfolk sharks in existence?
The latter. Rokea were apparently designed to be quite fertile with sharks,
and much less so with humans. Probably comes of them predating humanity by a
whole bunch of years.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Angela Christine
>>
>> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
>> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
>> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
>>
>with
>> humans. That's just...odd.
>
Well excuse me for thinking like a mammal. :-) The 'revenge
sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
unplaned sex with a beached human.
I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Angela Christine <aca.Rem...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:3976f894...@news.telus.net...
> Rumor has it that "REZcat" <rez...@gwis.com> wrote:
> >Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> >> (Angela Christine) wrote:
> >>
> >> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> >> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> >> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
> >>
> >> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
> >with
> >> humans. That's just...odd.
> >
> >Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
>
> Well excuse me for thinking like a mammal. :-) The 'revenge
> sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
> unplaned sex with a beached human.
>
> I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
> species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
> moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
Nope! Yer wrong! Half the fun comes from the woman actually moving around
a bit. No guy wants to sit there and do ALL the work. We are lazy like
that! =P
Joe
Ethan Skemp
In article <3976f894...@news.telus.net>, aca.Rem...@telus.net
(Angela Christine) wrote:
> Well excuse me for thinking like a mammal. :-) The 'revenge
> sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
> unplaned sex with a beached human.
A beached human? Like a beached whale? Y'mean like "washed up on the beach
and unable to move without assistance?" I've *seen* beachgoers that were
like that. If that's the preferred breeding stock of the Rokea who go rogue,
no wonder the rest of the Breed wants them dead. Talk about polluting the
gene pool... ;)
> I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
> species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
> moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
Nah. If that were true, male salmon wouldn't migrate all that way just to
get some. They'd be fertilizing coral reefs for their kicks.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
REZcat
Angela Christine <aca.Rem...@telus.net> wrote
>
> Well excuse me for thinking like a mammal. :-) The 'revenge
> sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
> unplaned sex with a beached human.
>
> I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
> species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
> moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
well.........pretty much, yeah ;-)
REZcat
Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote > ----------
> (Angela Christine) wrote:
> > I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
> > species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
> > moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
>
> get some. They'd be fertilizing coral reefs for their kicks.
This is true. I stand corrected. :)
Stephenls
Ah. I still think I'll add a drawing that resembles a shark onto one of
my Nod fragments, just as an in-joke.
> --
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
Daniel Super
Ethan Skemp wrote:
>
>
> The latter. Rokea were apparently designed to be quite fertile with sharks,
> and much less so with humans. Probably comes of them predating humanity by a
> whole bunch of years.
>
> --
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
The Rokea predate humanity? That seems kind of odd, to have a Shark that can
turn into a human before humans even existed. Did they turn into something else
before humans existed?
Dan
Silverfeet
much in the way of a mate fidelity concept, revenge sex is a very weird idea
for them :)
Silverfeet
"Ethan Skemp" <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> ----------
> In article <eGtd5.2676$%P2.3...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, "His Lordship,
> Sir Joseph the Wise" <gilco...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > news:Wjjd5.6607$I76.4...@monger.newsread.com...
>
> >> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
> > with
> >> humans. That's just...odd.
>
> >
Silverfeet
the sort of thing that should be covered in the Rokea Breedbook
"Daniel Super" <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Silverfeet
to initiate sexual activity - some primates and most felines coming
specifically to mind :)
Silverfeet
"Angela Christine" <aca.Rem...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:3976f894...@news.telus.net...
> Rumor has it that "REZcat" <rez...@gwis.com> wrote:
> >Ethan Skemp <alpha...@white-wolf.com> wrote
> >> (Angela Christine) wrote:
> >>
> >> > This is a neat idea, but what happens if some horny Rokea, who
> >> > has just been spurned by his chosen mate, crawls up on shore,
> >> > goes to homid form and mates with one of the local humans?
> >>
> >> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge sex"
> >with
> >> humans. That's just...odd.
> >
> >Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
>
> Well excuse me for thinking like a mammal. :-) The 'revenge
> sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
> unplaned sex with a beached human.
>
> I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
> species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
> moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
>
>
Silverfeet
pain. As I keep saying, healthy people won't notice a problem. I'm not
talking about poor health. What I'm talking about is the physics of the
human form, the position of the centre of gravity, etc. I'm taking about
scientific studies of the human form, not medical studies. The strain on the
areas I mentioned and pregnancy/birthing issues exist and are being dealt
with by natural selection all the time, but consciously, humans are not
aware of them - unless their health suffers.
Silverfeet
"His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise" <gilco...@mediaone.net> wrote in
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Kish
Angela Christine wrote in message <3976f894...@news.telus.net>...
>I should have stayed with my basic thesis that males of all
>species are horny buggers and will have sex with anything that
>moves, or stays still. And that goes double for dolphins. ;-)
>
Actually, the Werewolf Players Guide indicates that Rokea on land feel
an overpowering, constant urge to mate--"almost like some cosmic
imperative to merge human and Kunspawn."
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
> ----------
> In article <3976f894...@news.telus.net>, aca.Rem...@telus.net
> (Angela Christine) wrote:
>
>
> > sex' was just a spur of the moment excuse for some shark having
> > unplaned sex with a beached human.
>
> and unable to move without assistance?" I've *seen* beachgoers that were
> like that. If that's the preferred breeding stock of the Rokea who go
rogue,
> no wonder the rest of the Breed wants them dead. Talk about polluting the
> gene pool... ;)
>
Oh c'mon? You were never at a frat party where you drank a little too much
and got "beached" on the top of some other person? er wait...... that
wasn't an experience I wanted to share. Sorry...
heh heh
Joe
Kevin Schmidt
> Whoo. I don't know if I like the thought of sharks having "revenge
sex" with
> humans. That's just...odd.
>
sense.
--
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Before you buy.
Angela Christine
>Except that in the cases of many mammals, it actually depends on the female
>to initiate sexual activity - some primates and most felines coming
>specifically to mind :)
In many species the guys have to wait until the female is in
heat, but the guys themselves are basically always in heat and
ready to mate whenever they spy a receptive female.
Humans are odd in that the females are also always in heat, sort
of. Hence the reason a horny rokea might go looking for a bit of
fun among the humans. ;-)
Ethan Skemp
In article <39774104...@yahoo.com>, Daniel Super
<dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ethan Skemp wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The latter. Rokea were apparently designed to be quite fertile with sharks,
>> and much less so with humans. Probably comes of them predating humanity by a
>> whole bunch of years.
> The Rokea predate humanity? That seems kind of odd, to have a Shark that can
> turn into a human before humans even existed. Did they turn into something
else
> before humans existed?
Well, you don't expect me to go into *all* of that here, do you? Generally
speaking, though, both Mokole and Ananasi have hinted that there were
shapeshifters after a fashion before there were humans -- and both races
claim that the Rokea were among them. The stories vary as to just how the
shapeshifters worked back then, but many do lay claim that they had at least
two forms at the time.
--
Ethan Skemp
WWGS
Silverfeet
into oestrous once a year at a very specific time, for example is not
entirely correct, and as soon as wild animals are brought into a "domestic"
(or at least pampered) environment the restrictions breakdown and the
animals, like the human can breed at any time of the year - studies on
humans, comparing the "civilised" human with the "primative" human (yes, I
am piss taking here certain descriptive terminology that crops up in studies
from time to time, I'm tired, sue me) indicate (although not net
conclusively) that humans experiencing the same rigours of life as "wild
animals" also become cyclical in the female's receptivity. There's something
about domestication - of humans as well as other animals, that alters
breeding patterns.
Silverfeet.
"Angela Christine" <aca.Rem...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Daniel Super
Ethan Skemp wrote:
> ----------
>
>
> Well, you don't expect me to go into *all* of that here, do you? Generally
> speaking, though, both Mokole and Ananasi have hinted that there were
> shapeshifters after a fashion before there were humans -- and both races
> claim that the Rokea were among them. The stories vary as to just how the
> shapeshifters worked back then, but many do lay claim that they had at least
> two forms at the time.
>
> --
> Ethan Skemp
> WWGS
Well, I'm not going to put a gun to your head or anything, but it was something I
was wondering about.
Dan
AJSolis
>turn into a human before humans even existed. Did they turn into something
>else
>before humans existed?
ananasi they pretty much back up that claim because they claim to be the third
shifting race. Mokole and rokea being the first two, and none of the three
turned into humans because humans weren't around yet.
If your interested, apparently the ananasi turned into some type of giant
spider thing, it doesn't really go into too much detail about that. And
considering the mokole mnemis, and the ananasi serial immortality, the fact
that they apparently agree is rather persuasive in my opinion.
Silverfeet
the PLayers Guide 2nd edition states categorically that the Rokea are
genuinely immortal. They undergo the First Change and then cease ageing.
Aside from wanting to see this ageing process not work for any Homid born
Rokea (ie they age normally), it would need to be looked at in case people
start trying to come up with pre-human-aged Rokea. Something I don't want to
see.
Silverfeet
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Angela Christine
>The thing I want to see dealt with, regarding this issue is the fact that
>the PLayers Guide 2nd edition states categorically that the Rokea are
>genuinely immortal. They undergo the First Change and then cease ageing.
Ah, that must be what the dolphins are for, they are the Rokea
thinners of Gaia. ;-)
>Aside from wanting to see this ageing process not work for any Homid born
>Rokea (ie they age normally), it would need to be looked at in case people
>start trying to come up with pre-human-aged Rokea. Something I don't want to
>see.
Ugh.
Angela Christine
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Tom Knight
> > Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
>
>
I remember a news story a while ago about swimmers being raped by dolphins.
Is this something I've dredged up from my murky subconscious, or has anyone
else heard of this?
--
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high places than by intelligent rascals" - J G Frazer
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> *eat* them.
>
Well....ah, no, it's beneath me.
Blackhatmatt
managed, but the dolphin did manage to make the swimmer very uncomfortable.
I've seen footage on a documentary, and it's pretty scary stuff.
What humans tend to forget is that the sea is the wilderness, and we're
intruders there. No surprise should come when people get attacked or even
molested by the natives of the sea, which I'm sure are confused by these
weird-looking mammals that have suddenly come to visit.
Done preachin' now. Got a book to write. :)
-BlackHat Matt
Angela Christine
>That story is, in fact, true. I'm not sure penatration was ever actually
>managed, but the dolphin did manage to make the swimmer very uncomfortable.
>I've seen footage on a documentary, and it's pretty scary stuff.
> What humans tend to forget is that the sea is the wilderness, and we're
>intruders there. No surprise should come when people get attacked or even
>molested by the natives of the sea, which I'm sure are confused by these
>weird-looking mammals that have suddenly come to visit.
I remember one on the news a little while back about a man in the
water with a "friendly" dolphin. The dolphin got it's penis
stuck in the elastic of the man's swimsuit. *shudder*
Kinda puts a whole new spin on all those stories of fishermen and
others resqued by dolphins, don't it? The dolphins weren't just
trying to be friendly and helpful, they were courting! :-o
Daniel Super
Angela Christine wrote:
> Rumor has it that blackh...@gateway.net (Blackhatmatt) wrote:
> >That story is, in fact, true. I'm not sure penatration was ever actually
> >managed, but the dolphin did manage to make the swimmer very uncomfortable.
> >I've seen footage on a documentary, and it's pretty scary stuff.
> > What humans tend to forget is that the sea is the wilderness, and we're
> >intruders there. No surprise should come when people get attacked or even
> >molested by the natives of the sea, which I'm sure are confused by these
> >weird-looking mammals that have suddenly come to visit.
>
> I remember one on the news a little while back about a man in the
> water with a "friendly" dolphin. The dolphin got it's penis
> stuck in the elastic of the man's swimsuit. *shudder*
>
> Kinda puts a whole new spin on all those stories of fishermen and
> others resqued by dolphins, don't it? The dolphins weren't just
> trying to be friendly and helpful, they were courting! :-o
>
Well, Dolphins have lots of casual sex, they have sex to say hello. They also
rape other dolphins, sometimes in gangs, murder each other over what appears to
be jelousy and do other things that we would normally attribute to ourselves.
Personally I think their are very very close to human intelligence.
Dan
Silverfeet
and studies have indicated their society is very similar to ours - they have
observed everything from "dolphin hugs" between family members and friends,
to sexual overtures between members of the opposite sex (homosexuality is a
serious and ongoing study at the moment, conclusions have not yet been
drawn). Everything from friendship to gang rape and bullying has been
observed on a regular basis. Dolphins do rape, they do "mug" they do attack.
Humans are usually kept on the good side of dolphins because humans are as
curious to them as they are to us, but there is definitely an "immoral
element" to dolphin society and if a human in the water runs into one of
these dolphins, it's like that human running into a criminal.
Excuse the use of human terminology when referring to dolphins.
Silverfeet
"Tom Knight" <kni...@theplanetoftheapes.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:397B210F...@theplanetoftheapes.freeserve.co.uk...
> >
> > > Yeah, that's something a dolphin would do ;).
> >
> > Sadly...yes.
> >
>
> I remember a news story a while ago about swimmers being raped by
dolphins.
> Is this something I've dredged up from my murky subconscious, or has
anyone
> else heard of this?
>
>
Angela Christine
>Excuse the use of human terminology when referring to dolphins.
S'ok, who the hell can spell the dolphin terminology anyway?
"Iiioooooo yii click click click" :)
Angela Christine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~aca(at)telus.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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something completely foolproof is to underestimate the
ingenuity of complete fools.
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Daniel Super
Daniel Super
Angela Christine wrote:
> Rumor has it that Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Do you play a lot of Malks and Ragabash Angela?
>
> Nah, I play Whitehowler abomitation salubri methuselahs
> exclusively. Just kidding, but the truth is actually worse than
> that. *shudder* :-o
>
> I'm not even sure what a Ragabash is, some kind of werewolf?
>
Yeah, the trickster kind
Dan
Angela Christine
>Do you play a lot of Malks and Ragabash Angela?
Nah, I play Whitehowler abomitation salubri methuselahs
exclusively. Just kidding, but the truth is actually worse than
that. *shudder* :-o
I'm not even sure what a Ragabash is, some kind of werewolf?
Angela Christine
>Angela Christine wrote:
>> Rumor has it that "Silverfeet" <Silve...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >Excuse the use of human terminology when referring to dolphins.
>>
>> S'ok, who the hell can spell the dolphin terminology anyway?
>>
>> "Iiioooooo yii click click click" :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~aca(at)telus.net~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
> Rumor has it that "Silverfeet" <Silve...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Excuse the use of human terminology when referring to dolphins.
>
> S'ok, who the hell can spell the dolphin terminology anyway?
>
> "Iiioooooo yii click click click" :)
>
>
Sounds more like swahili to me! =)
Fangorn
>
> Rumor has it that Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Do you play a lot of Malks and Ragabash Angela?
>
> Nah, I play Whitehowler abomitation salubri methuselahs
> exclusively. Just kidding, but the truth is actually worse than
> that. *shudder* :-o
>
Wimp!
REAL gamers play Nexus Crawlers.
Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
brujah-antedels.
Or the Wyrm.
-Fangorn
Poignant portayals of the angst and horror of being able to kill
methuselahs with one punch are the only reality.
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Fangorn <CHA9...@sheffield.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Angela Christine wrote:
> >
> > Rumor has it that Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Do you play a lot of Malks and Ragabash Angela?
> >
> > Nah, I play Whitehowler abomitation salubri methuselahs
> > exclusively. Just kidding, but the truth is actually worse than
> > that. *shudder* :-o
> >
>
> Wimp!
>
> REAL gamers play Nexus Crawlers.
>
> Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
> brujah-antedels.
Well, vamps can't be awakened. How did ya go about THAT one?
Fangorn
> > Wimp!
> >
> > REAL gamers play Nexus Crawlers.
> >
> > Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
> > brujah-antedels.
>
> Well, vamps can't be awakened. How did ya go about THAT one?
Try getting your Storyteller drunk sometime. You'd be surprised how much
the WoD changes.
:-)
-Fangorn
Alcohol is the only reality.
Daniel Super
Fangorn wrote:
> His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise wrote:
> > > Wimp!
> > >
> > > REAL gamers play Nexus Crawlers.
> > >
> > > Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
> > > brujah-antedels.
> >
> > Well, vamps can't be awakened. How did ya go about THAT one?
>
> Try getting your Storyteller drunk sometime. You'd be surprised how much
> the WoD changes.
> .
What an interesting combo, so its died, risen from the grave, become a
mage, and can turn into a lizard, a wolf, a cat, and what ever a gurahl is
(i cant remeber), plus its a 3rd generation vampire of a very rare clan.
What were you drinking, a big bottle of LSD?
Dan
His Lordship, Sir Joseph the Wise
Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Gurahl are Were-Bears.
>
Angela Christine
<gilco...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>Fangorn <CHA9...@sheffield.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:8lmd66$heg$1...@bignews.shef.ac.uk...
>> Angela Christine wrote:
>> >
>> > Rumor has it that Daniel Super <dragon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >Do you play a lot of Malks and Ragabash Angela?
>> >
>> > Nah, I play Whitehowler abomitation salubri methuselahs
>> > exclusively. Just kidding, but the truth is actually worse than
>> > that. *shudder* :-o
>>
>> REAL gamers play Nexus Crawlers.
Hmm, sinch the only werewolf book I own is the novel "Conspicuous
Consumption" that could be tricky. But I suppose I shouldn't let
that stop me. Demanding guidelines for playing a creature type
is just one short step away from full fleged Rules Lawyerhood.
>> Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
>> brujah-antedels.
>
>
>Well, vamps can't be awakened. How did ya go about THAT one?
Easy, he has the "light sleeper" merit. ;-) I want to know how
he managed to belong to 4 different shifter races.
Angela Christine
Daniel Super
Angela Christine wrote:
> Well since the only werewolf book I own is the novel "Conspicuous
> Consumption" that could be tricky. But I suppose I shouldn't let
> that stop me. Demanding guidelines for playing a creature type
> is just one short step away from full fleged Rules Lawyerhood.
>
Agreed, but guidelines are good for stimulating a character idea in the
first place. Besides its just a guideline, not written in stone, you can
step out side of them quite easily.
>
> >> Or risen awakened imbued mokole-garou-gurahl-bastet- true
> >> brujah-antedels.
> >
> >
> >Well, vamps can't be awakened. How did ya go about THAT one?
>
> Easy, he has the "light sleeper" merit. ;-)
hehe
> I want to know how he managed to belong to 4 different shifter races.
>
His mother was involved in a circus freak sex cult in the 1969.
Dan