Lasombra Weakness
Justin Sabbetius
extend to them not being able to be photographed or video-taped?
samaeluwf
>extend to them not being able to be photographed or video-taped?
As a matter of fact, it does. Note, though, that anything the vampire carries
in his hands (guns, torches, head of an Antideluvian) is still fully visible.
Justin Sabbetius
> As a matter of fact, it does. Note, though, that anything the vampire carries
> in his hands (guns, torches, head of an Antideluvian) is still fully visible.
Does that include any belongings they carry? Like clothes for
examples. Or just things they carry in their hands?
Jennings Richmond, Jr.
samaeluwf <sama...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No, their clan weakness does NOT prevent them from being taped. Please
refer to the stories in the beginning of the Camarilla and Sabbat guides as
a good reference to this. They do not show up in mirrors, but video catches
them rather well.
Justin Sabbetius
"Jennings Richmond, Jr." wrote:
> No, their clan weakness does NOT prevent them from being taped. Please
> refer to the stories in the beginning of the Camarilla and Sabbat guides as
> a good reference to this. They do not show up in mirrors, but video catches
> them rather well.
I am no expert on camera technology, but if mirrors are used to reflect
light inside the camera (and I don't know if they are, any camera
builders in the house?), then wouldn't that render the Lasombra in
visible to the camera or video?
Hanna Koivula
Their belongings actually do not show up in a mirror. Anything they might be
carrying lacks a reflection as well as the Lasombra. No briefcases floating
around, as the earlier clanbook points out. (I see no point in dismissing the
clarification of the clan weakness because it's in the old clanbook.)
Video picks up a Lasombra, although as a shaded figure. Black-and-white
photography does not. Digital cameras would pick up a member of the clan. Then
again, it's quite a heavy flaw.
-Hanna.
Hanna Koivula
> I am no expert on camera technology, but if mirrors are used to reflect
> light inside the camera (and I don't know if they are, any camera
> builders in the house?), then wouldn't that render the Lasombra in
> visible to the camera or video?
I've always been under the impression that only certain types of cameras (mostly
older ones) use a mirror. Automated cameras and videocameras do not. All it really
takes is one or more lenses that reflect the image. As such, the image is
projected directly on the film. A camera that does use a mirror only uses the
mirror to reflect the image to the photographer prior to taking the picture.
Correct me if I'm wrong with this, because it's been a while since I last meddled
with protography. Anyway, my guess is that the photographer would not see the
Lasombra, but the Lasombra would be visible in the picture reflected on the film.
-Hanna
Jennings Richmond, Jr.
> I am no expert on camera technology, but if mirrors are used to reflect
> light inside the camera (and I don't know if they are, any camera
> builders in the house?), then wouldn't that render the Lasombra in
> visible to the camera or video?
This is, guess what, a GAME, k? The idea you're proposing would turn the
Lasombra Clan WEAKNESS into the Lasombra Clan key to being the perfect
infiltrators into any kind of building! Like I said, read the story at the
beginnings of the Guide to the Camarilla and the Guide to the Sabbat and you
will see that video cameras capture Lasombra quite well.
Otaku
What about clothes?
Also, since this is a clan flaw and not your typical Obfuscate, would
you be able to see a pistol if it was tucked under the Lasombra's
armpit? Line of sight from the gun to the camera is being blocked, even
if the vampire blocking it doesn't show up herself.
Otaku
There are other things than cameras which are used for security in
buildings that really need it. Especially buildings owned by people who
know vampires exist, I should imagine. Namely, security guards, motion
sensors, laser tripwires, etc etc.
Mavis Fitzpatrick
The Short Guy
Justin Sabbetius <jsabb...@home.com> wrote in message
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Obfuscate allows people to see the vamp on cameras, and not in mirrors. It's
more about a person's perception. That's my reasoning, anyway
--
Alex Rose
..Why wasn't there some kind of buffer group to the Care Bears.. like the
Apathy Bears?
Mayor_Tom
"Justin Sabbetius" <justins...@hell.com> wrote in message
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> The Lasombra's weakness is that they cast no reflection. Does this
> extend to them not being able to be photographed or video-taped?
Vampire: The Masquerade Revised Edition: (page 85)
Weakness: Lasombra vampires cast no reflection. They cannot be seen in
mirrors, bodies of water, reflective windows, polished metals, photographs
and security cameras, etc. This curious anomaly even extends to the clothes
thay wear and objects they carry. Many Kindred belive that the Lasombra have
been cursed in this manner for their vanity. Additionally, due to their
penchant for darkness, Lasombra take an extra level of damage from sunlight.
Guide To The Camarille: (page 59)
Weakness: Like Their cousins in the Sabbat, Lasombra antitribu have a slight
problem with mirrors and other reflective surfaces. Lasombra antitribu do
not have reflections in the normal sense, they don't show up in mirrors,
windowpanes, pools of water or black-and-white photographs. Such a handicap
makes the Lasombra antitribu easy to identify for those who are looking for
such, but the wise vampire has long since learned to avoid situations
wherein he'd be compromised thus. In addition, since Lasombra are so heavily
attuned to shadow, they take an extra level of damage from exposure to
sunlight.
Mind's Eye Theatre - Laws Of The Night: (page 42)
Disadvantage: Mirrors and reflective surfaces do not show any trace of the
Lasombra. Some say that this oddity occurs because the Lasombra have no
souls; others claim that it is part and parcel of their Obtenebration
Discipline. Whatever the cause, Lasombra (and their clothes and carried
possessions) do not show up in any sort of reflective surface, auch as
mirrors, pools of water, reflective windows, polished metals, photographs
and bæack-and-white film (which uses a reflective silver emulsifier). Also,
because of the Lasombra clan's ties to darkness, all Lasombra suffer an
additional level of damage from exposure to sunlight.
Minds Eye Theatre - Guide To The Camarille:
I don't have this book... anybody know what it has to say about the topic???
Clan Book: Lasombra Revised Edition...
This book dosn't really relate to the topic, so I didn't find any info in
their....
Now I have given you the quotes that I could find.... now, draw your own
conclusions.
/Morten Nørgaard, Storyteller in a danish LARP Vampire, player in another,
and Storyteller in a Werewolf campain, and player in a Vampire: The Dark
Ages campain.
The Dracon
>
> Justin Sabbetius <jsabb...@home.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Jennings Richmond, Jr." wrote:
> >
> > > No, their clan weakness does NOT prevent them from being taped. Please
> > > refer to the stories in the beginning of the Camarilla and Sabbat guides
> as
> > > a good reference to this. They do not show up in mirrors, but video
> catches
> > > them rather well.
> >
> > I am no expert on camera technology, but if mirrors are used to reflect
> > light inside the camera (and I don't know if they are, any camera
> > builders in the house?), then wouldn't that render the Lasombra in
> > visible to the camera or video?
>
> Obfuscate allows people to see the vamp on cameras, and not in mirrors. It's
> more about a person's perception. That's my reasoning, anyway
We're not talking about Obfuscate here...
The Dracon
"There is no need for defense against a dead opponent."
- Exalted
Otaku
>
> Justin Sabbetius <jsabb...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3B92A4B1...@home.com...
> >
> >
> > "Jennings Richmond, Jr." wrote:
> >
> > > No, their clan weakness does NOT prevent them from being taped. Please
> > > refer to the stories in the beginning of the Camarilla and Sabbat guides
> as
> > > a good reference to this. They do not show up in mirrors, but video
> catches
> > > them rather well.
> >
> > I am no expert on camera technology, but if mirrors are used to reflect
> > light inside the camera (and I don't know if they are, any camera
> > builders in the house?), then wouldn't that render the Lasombra in
> > visible to the camera or video?
>
> Obfuscate allows people to see the vamp on cameras, and not in mirrors. It's
> more about a person's perception. That's my reasoning, anyway
The way we run it, you can see a Obfuscated vampire on film, provided he
isn't obfuscated at the time. If you're watching a security cam with a
two second delay, you won't notice the vampire cross it when he actually
does, but if you review the tape a week later, there he is. The camera
will catch him, but the obfuscate will still work on your mind at the
time.
Justin Sabbetius
Mekhet
Hanna Koivula <hako...@paju.oulu.fi> wrote in message
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>
> I've always been under the impression that only certain types of cameras
> (mostly older ones) use a mirror. Automated cameras and videocameras do >
not. All it really takes is one or more lenses that reflect the image. As
such,
> the image is projected directly on the film. A camera that does use a
mirror
> only uses the mirror to reflect the image to the photographer prior to
taking
> the picture.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong with this, because it's been a while since I last
> meddled with protography. Anyway, my guess is that the photographer
> would not see the Lasombra, but the Lasombra would be visible in the
> picture reflected on the film.
>
Correct. As a photographer, I would not see a Lasombra using an SLR
(single-lens reflex) camera, due to the mirror that reflects exactly what
the lens sees (through-the-lens viewing). With a point and shoot camera, the
Keeper would be perfectly visible; the viewfinder of PAS cameras is /very/
rarely TTL. It often works on the same principles as a disposable camera:
i.e. the viewfinder is close enough to the lens so as to capture nearly the
same image you see (with no mirrors).
The clan weakness deals with mirrors, light reflected off of the vampire
would still be exposed onto the film. Film is not a mirror. The light coming
from the vamp would still react with the light sensitive layers of film,
producing an image. If you can see it with your eyes, you can take a picture
of it with normal film, assuming, of course, that the subject in question
does not have an "Invisible to cameras" Merit.
--
Mekhet the Tech-God
"Then there's Obfuscate. Whole different can of worms."
Warren G.
Thanks!
"Otaku" <swill...@home.com> wrote in message
T.Koivula
> The clan weakness deals with mirrors, light reflected off of the vampire
> would still be exposed onto the film. Film is not a mirror. The light
coming
> from the vamp would still react with the light sensitive layers of film,
> producing an image. If you can see it with your eyes, you can take a
picture
> of it with normal film, assuming, of course, that the subject in question
> does not have an "Invisible to cameras" Merit.
are not captured on film.
Here's a quote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayor_Tom" <mayo...@hemmelig.dk>
Newsgroups: alt.games.whitewolf
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Lasombra Weakness
> Vampire: The Masquerade Revised Edition: (page 85)
>
> Weakness: Lasombra vampires cast no reflection. They cannot be seen in
> mirrors, bodies of water, reflective windows, polished metals, photographs
> and security cameras, etc. This curious anomaly even extends to the
clothes
> thay wear and objects they carry. Many Kindred belive that the Lasombra
have
> been cursed in this manner for their vanity. Additionally, due to their
> penchant for darkness, Lasombra take an extra level of damage from
sunlight.
>
T. Koivula
Mekhet
T.Koivula <nyy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, the flaw description in Revised clearly states that the Lasombra
> are not captured on film.
Physics-wise, that makes no sense. But it's Just A GameT.
--
Mekhet the Tech-GodŽ
"Let me check my notes."Š
Peter Nieminen
>are not captured on film.
Problem is that other books, such as Guide to the Camarilla, modify
that statement, seemingly on purpose. I'd go with Lasombra who are
not captured on film - as anything you might easily recognize. Their
flaw has to do with vanity, and there shouldn`t be any easy way around it
just because they might decide to become burglars.
GttC quote:
Weakness: Like Their cousins in the Sabbat, Lasombra antitribu have a slight
problem with mirrors and other reflective surfaces. Lasombra antitribu do
not have reflections in the normal sense, they don't show up in mirrors,
windowpanes, pools of water or black-and-white photographs. Such a handicap
makes the Lasombra antitribu easy to identify for those who are looking for
such, but the wise vampire has long since learned to avoid situations
wherein he'd be compromised thus. In addition, since Lasombra are so heavily
attuned to shadow, they take an extra level of damage from exposure to
sunlight.
Silverfeet
Where doesn't physics come in to that? It's the same with sunlight.
Silverfeet
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The Short Guy
> We're not talking about Obfuscate here...
>
I know. My point is that disciplines tend to go beyond physics, so why not
weaknesses as well. But after reading some of the other posts, I'm
reconsidering my viewpoint.
--
Alex Rose
"I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with
them."
George Bush
The Short Guy
> The way we run it, you can see a Obfuscated vampire on film, provided he
> isn't obfuscated at the time. If you're watching a security cam with a
> two second delay, you won't notice the vampire cross it when he actually
> does, but if you review the tape a week later, there he is. The camera
> will catch him, but the obfuscate will still work on your mind at the
> time.
Ditto.