Tzimisce -is- Greek.
Yo! Master
Yes.Yes.Yes!What you see ius a happy little Tzimisce
Finally i have proof.I have proof!
When i red it i started jumpimg around my house and yelling so much
that my granma though it was time i went to see a therapist.
Hah!This is dedicate to all that delieved "Tzimisce" wasnt a Greek
word,even though i'm now thouroughly disapointed with hoe the word is
pronounced.
Just yesterday i was reading Transylvania by Night,when i came across
this:
"King Sviatoslav even set up his throne in th capital of the Danuban
Bulgarians until he was routed out by John Tzimisces,the Byzantine
Emperor,in 970."
And
"Imported into Bulgaria near the end of the 10th century by the Emperor
John Tzimisces,the Christian variant ..."
Ιωάννης Τσιμισκής was indeed an Emperor of the Byzantine Empire. And
the Tzimisce is Τσιμισκής written with Latin characters(even though i
would have written it Tsimiscis).
It is quite clear now that Tzimisce -is- Greek in origin so its
pronounciation is:Tsimiscee
Tsi (like chimp,but a little shorter)
mi (like in miniature,but again a little shorter)
skee (like ski,but with a double sound in the end)
And is accentuated( is this the correct word?) in the final sylable.
And before someone starts saying that the name "Tzimisce" is far older
than Byzantine Greek and that the Clan is millenia old,what i have to
say is that even though Cainites and their names are millenia old
Vampire:the Masquerade isnt.
In the WoD maybe the Tzimisce Dynasty took its name from the Clan,but
in RL the original developers took the Clan names form somewhere abs
this -must- be the case with the "Tzimisce".
OK.Is everyone satisfied now?I surely am and now i --really-- know how
the f@king name is pronounced.
Any questions?(And sorry for being so aggresive.)
--
I'm from Greece so i can say Tzimisce with ease.
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The Dracon
>
>
>
>
> Yes.Yes.Yes!What you see ius a happy little Tzimisce
>
> Finally i have proof.I have proof!
>
> When i red it i started jumpimg around my house and yelling so much
> that my granma though it was time i went to see a therapist.
>
> Hah!This is dedicate to all that delieved "Tzimisce" wasnt a Greek
> word,even though i'm now thouroughly disapointed with hoe the word is
> pronounced.
>
> Just yesterday i was reading Transylvania by Night,when i came across
> this:
>
> "King Sviatoslav even set up his throne in th capital of the Danuban
> Bulgarians until he was routed out by John Tzimisces,the Byzantine
> Emperor,in 970."
>
> And
>
> "Imported into Bulgaria near the end of the 10th century by the Emperor
> John Tzimisces,the Christian variant ..."
>
>
> Ιωάννης Τσιμισκής was indeed an Emperor of the Byzantine Empire. And
> the Tzimisce is Τσιμισκής written with Latin characters(even though i
> would have written it Tsimiscis).
>
> It is quite clear now that Tzimisce -is- Greek in origin so its
> pronounciation is:Tsimiscee
>
> Tsi (like chimp,but a little shorter)
> mi (like in miniature,but again a little shorter)
> skee (like ski,but with a double sound in the end)
That's the same as given in the Vampire main book (Revised edition at
least).
Dracon is a 4th generation Tzimisce in the Vampire game (See
Constantinople by Night). I did a little search on the web and found
this:
DRACON
c.659 - c.601 BC
Greek Legislator
Dracon introduced the first written legislation in Athens. The
Draconian punishment outlawed vendetta. His harsh code punished both
trivial and serious crimes with death - hence the use of the word
draconian to describe tough legal measures. But his was the first code
do distinguish between homicide and murder.
Furthermore the Guide to the Sabbat states the following about the
'Children of the Dracon':
"The Children of the Dracon seem to bear more Hellenic features than
the Slavic heritage of Clan Tzimisce suggests."
I also saw that Dracon is possibly the first childe of Tzimisce.
Putting this all together I'd say they indeed come from Greece and
then moved to the Transylvania area.
The Dracon of Byzantium
(-=\V/=-)
Yo! Master
Dracon indeed was the man you say.
But the pronounciation i posted isnt the same as the one in the main
Vampire book.The one on the book is closer to Slavic than Greek(and even
if that...) while mine is the Greek pronounciation.
And yes i know how Τσιμισκή(Tzimisce) is pronounced in Greek,since i;m a
Greek myself.;-)
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Stephenls
> That's the same as given in the Vampire main book (Revised edition at
> least).
Um no.
There's a rather big difference between zhi-mee-see (no accent given)
and chi-mi-SKY.
I'll pronounce it the same way I always did, which is zi-MI-see. Then
again, I pronounce sabbat SA-bat and melee ME-lee.
--
Stephenls
Geek
NO. YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW
ELSE CAN THEY /BECOME/? -- Death, Hogfather
The Dracon
> And yes i know how Τσιμισκή(Tzimisce) is pronounced in Greek,since i;m a
> Greek myself.;-)
I can agree on that, but be aware that not everyone has the same ASCII
code table... So I have no idea what is in front of '(Tzimisce)'.
Ben Buckner
>
> Yes.Yes.Yes!What you see ius a happy little Tzimisce
>
> Finally i have proof.I have proof!
>
> When i red it i started jumpimg around my house and yelling so much
> that my granma though it was time i went to see a therapist.
>
> Hah!This is dedicate to all that delieved "Tzimisce" wasnt a Greek
> word,even though i'm now thouroughly disapointed with hoe the word is
> pronounced.
>
> Just yesterday i was reading Transylvania by Night,when i came across
> this:
>
> "King Sviatoslav even set up his throne in th capital of the Danuban
> Bulgarians until he was routed out by John Tzimisces,the Byzantine
> Emperor,in 970."
>
> And
>
> "Imported into Bulgaria near the end of the 10th century by the Emperor
> John Tzimisces,the Christian variant ..."
>
> Ιωάννης Τσιμισκής was indeed an Emperor of the Byzantine Empire. And
> the Tzimisce is Τσιμισκής written with Latin characters(even though i
> would have written it Tsimiscis).
>
> It is quite clear now that Tzimisce -is- Greek in origin so its
> pronounciation is:Tsimiscee
>
> Tsi (like chimp,but a little shorter)
No, it's like "ts". "Ch" is a different sound.
> mi (like in miniature,but again a little shorter)
> skee (like ski,but with a double sound in the end)
>
> And is accentuated( is this the correct word?) in the final sylable.
>
> And before someone starts saying that the name "Tzimisce" is far older
> than Byzantine Greek and that the Clan is millenia old,what i have to
> say is that even though Cainites and their names are millenia old
> Vampire:the Masquerade isnt.
>
> In the WoD maybe the Tzimisce Dynasty took its name from the Clan,but
> in RL the original developers took the Clan names form somewhere abs
> this -must- be the case with the "Tzimisce".
>
> OK.Is everyone satisfied now?I surely am and now i --really-- know how
> the f@king name is pronounced.
>
> Any questions?(And sorry for being so aggresive.)
Just a statement - Tzimisces is actually Armenian,
according to Leo the Deacon. Only the spelling is
Greek. There wasn't really a Tzimisces dynasty either.
It was more of a nickname than a surname.
Ben B.
Kish
Stephenls wrote in message <3A27C4A5...@dccnet.com>...
>The Dracon wrote:
>
>> That's the same as given in the Vampire main book (Revised edition
at
>> least).
>
>Um no.
>
>There's a rather big difference between zhi-mee-see (no accent given)
>and chi-mi-SKY.
>
Even if the word is taken from Greek originally, that hardly means the
pronunciation has to be the same. :shrug:
--
Kish
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AIM: Kish K M
Kis...@mindspring.replacewithcom
The Dracon
>
> Stephenls wrote in message <3A27C4A5...@dccnet.com>...
> >The Dracon wrote:
> >
> >> That's the same as given in the Vampire main book (Revised edition
> at
> >> least).
> >
> >Um no.
> >
> >There's a rather big difference between zhi-mee-see (no accent given)
> >and chi-mi-SKY.
> >
>
>
> Even if the word is taken from Greek originally, that hardly means the
> pronunciation has to be the same. :shrug:
One point for Kish...
Tadeusz
>
> Just a statement - Tzimisces is actually Armenian,
> according to Leo the Deacon. Only the spelling is
> Greek. There wasn't really a Tzimisces dynasty either.
> It was more of a nickname than a surname.
IIRC, John Tzimisce belonged to a family of wealthy landowners in
central Anatolia. He became Emperor but there is no 'Tzimisce' dynasty.
I have not read anything suggesting that 'Tzimisce' is a Greek name,
although some chronicles use the spelling 'Tzimiskes'.
Tadeusz
--
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Scarecrow
<mitsosof...@hotmail.com> banged on the keys to their computer
and came out with this:
> Yes.Yes.Yes!What you see ius a happy little Tzimisce
>
> Finally i have proof.I have proof!
>
SNIP
> "King Sviatoslav even set up his throne in th capital of the Danuban
>Bulgarians until he was routed out by John Tzimisces,the Byzantine
>Emperor,in 970."
>
> And
>
> "Imported into Bulgaria near the end of the 10th century by the Emperor
>John Tzimisces,the Christian variant ..."
>
>
> Ιωάννης Τσιμισκής was indeed an Emperor of the Byzantine Empire. And
>the Tzimisce is Τσιμισκής written with Latin characters(even though i
>would have written it Tsimiscis).
I wish my news client printed the Greek Characters correctly, oh
well...
> It is quite clear now that Tzimisce -is- Greek in origin so its
>pronounciation is:Tsimiscee
>
> Tsi (like chimp,but a little shorter)
> mi (like in miniature,but again a little shorter)
> skee (like ski,but with a double sound in the end)
>
> And is accentuated( is this the correct word?) in the final sylable.
>
> And before someone starts saying that the name "Tzimisce" is far older
>than Byzantine Greek and that the Clan is millenia old,what i have to
>say is that even though Cainites and their names are millenia old
>Vampire:the Masquerade isnt.
>
> In the WoD maybe the Tzimisce Dynasty took its name from the Clan,but
>in RL the original developers took the Clan names form somewhere abs
>this -must- be the case with the "Tzimisce".
>
> OK.Is everyone satisfied now?I surely am and now i --really-- know how
>the f@king name is pronounced.
>
> Any questions?(And sorry for being so aggresive.)
I'm still tempted to ask you to post a wave file of the pronunciation
[Not here, this isn't the right place, maybe a web page or something]
just so I know I'm getting it right.
On a related note, I wish someone from White Wolf would put up a
complete list of White Wolf terms and tell us the original source.
That would make finding the right pronunciations so much easier.
Scarecrow
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>
>On a related note, I wish someone from White Wolf would put up a
>complete list of White Wolf terms and tell us the original source.
>That would make finding the right pronunciations so much easier.
Not necessarily. A few words would probably have such cryptic sources
as, "Rein*Hagen pulled this name out of his ass." And I don't think
anyone would want to do the necessary research to find the correct
pronunciation of that. ;)
Angela Christine
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Whatever it is, it's here.
That and things you can not imagine.
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Gryftir
Angela Christine wrote:
Okay my dad is jewish, and he says it's also a yiddish (hebrew and german
mix) word pronounced like tzImis (Im like bimbo but with emphasis on the
I, an s like in sin not like in is) meaning a type of stew (I forget the
ingredients he mentioned but I'm sure the vary regionally anyway. Now it
is a stretch, but I can see how a stew, a mixture basically, could be the
base word, considering the whole fleshcraft thing, at least the world
whitewolf picked. however my e-mail is spor...@hot.mail.com (remove the
extra dot to when sending). and I would appreciate somebody sending me a
quick note if and when we get an official or semi official response. TIA.
Brick from santa carla, ca.
Ben Buckner
>
>
> Okay my dad is jewish, and he says it's also a yiddish (hebrew and german
> mix) word pronounced like tzImis (Im like bimbo but with emphasis on the
> I, an s like in sin not like in is) meaning a type of stew (I forget the
> ingredients he mentioned but I'm sure the vary regionally anyway. Now it
> is a stretch, but I can see how a stew, a mixture basically, could be the
> base word, considering the whole fleshcraft thing, at least the world
> whitewolf picked. however my e-mail is spor...@hot.mail.com (remove the
> extra dot to when sending). and I would appreciate somebody sending me a
> quick note if and when we get an official or semi official response. TIA.
Someone years ago told me they'd asked MRH about it
personally, and he responded that it was a kind of
"carrot stew," although you're right that it's
generally a more generic stew. It comes from the
German zermischen, which means to mix up (thoroughly
or violently). I've never been clear as to whether
he intended the spelling to resemble the Greco-
Armenian epithet Tzimisces, or if that was just
coincidental. Yiddish spelling isn't strongly
standardized, so Yiddish words used in English
come in a variety of sometimes non-obvious
renderings. Jiddiš is aber gor ništ asoi šwer!
Ben B.