Favorite Rage Character
Keith Savage
Mine has to be King Albrecht. Although Ciran Far-Traveler is a very
close second.
Keith
Linda M. Dowe
What is everyone's favorite Rage character?
-Kegan
"I'm the face in your dreams of glass."
-Billy Corgan, "Zero" from Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness by the
Smashing Pumpkins
Ddddd Ddddd
Linda M. Dowe (ld...@sos.net) wrote:
: What is everyone's favorite Rage character?
I personally like Morihei High-Mountain.. 8 Renown Galliard Stargazer
3/9/3 homid 7/9/8 crinos Kalindo.. Its lovley feinting and doing a
redirected attack against someone :)
Also I like Laughs-At-Death.. 5 Renown Ragabash Nuwisha(werecoyote) ..
2/5/3 homid, 4/5/6 Manabozho(crinos). When shes in the umbra, She must be
challeneged by all that wish to attack her.. And she has the option to
decline.. Lovley for me since I keep all 3 characters in the umbra and
bind the hell out of spirits. Shes always my alpha and I have Serene
Wilderness as a territory so I cant be sneak attacked or otherwise engaged
in combat unless I wish to be. It works pretty cool.. lotsa umbral stuff
since I got a case of the umbra a week ago.
People should really start looking into the umbra set.. There are some
VERY nice cards for people in the umbra.. Theres Moon Bridge Assault and
Moon Bridge Attack which are basically Sneak Attacks from one caern to
another. And almost everone playes a caern.. Storm crows are Spirit Allies
that automatically bind for pack attack OR defense. Deep Journey lets any
lupus in the umbra search through their sept hand and bring any caern,
totem, spirit ally or fetish directly into play.. not into your hand.
And im not even gonna mention the Dreamspeaker Mage or Heart of Midnight..
Theres even a Caern that aloows your to discard it when any of your
characters takes a mortal wound in the umbra, It will return your
character to full health into the physical world. My deck rules IMHO,
Havnt lost since I built it..
Dennis Battiscombe
>What is everyone's favorite Rage character?
>
Well, now that Legacy is here, my fave has swung from Petrov to King Albrecht.
Petrov was a great character (well, at least he was for me!) I used to use him
for Umbral Quests. With that I played all the Close Gauntlet and Guantlet
Fluxes I could get my hands on, as well as get as much armor as I could on him.
If someone comes into the Umbra after Petrov, I just have to last three rounds
and Petrov can automatically escape. This tactic is not foolproof by any
means, but usually it results in six, maybe nine free victory renown for me.
With King Albrecht I go for the hard and fast approach. I put the Grand Klaive
on him, play a Gibbous Moon, use Battle Songs, etc. and Albrecht runs around
Clefting in Twain! Couple this with a few territories, and it's bad news. I
usually take a Kinfolk Den, a Chantry, Hereditary Castle. I also make sure
Albrecht gets a Kiss of Helios and an Aegis on him. With these territories I
also play a Caern of the Weeping Daughter. The way this works out, you can
only attack me if I say so, you can't frenzy and should you manage somehow to
kill the King, my whole pack steps forward to rip your lungs out!
Cheers
Petrov
Peter Munter
Banana Split is mad, bad and dangerous to known. He? (dude really looks
like a lady with tits and all, but card says his) has this special
ability that makes him very unique: Once per game after a round's combat
cards have been played, Banana Split can cancel both his card and one
opponent's card by interrupting with a bad joke. "Two Garou walk into a
bar..."
Ewery time I play with Bone Gnawers I use Banana Split and I really tell
one Garou joke. Usually it is a joke that tells how stupid Wendigo named
Wahya-Ohni is. Typical joke might be like this:
- Hey, Wahya-Ohni why your ears are so badly burned?
- When I answered the telephone I realize that it was actually a flat iron.
- But why both ears?
- I had to call Kinfolk Veterinarian too!
It is just a joke, but it is very efective special ability as well.
When I use it with Bums Rush Banana Split tells a joke and he and
opponent does not play a combat card - but rest of my pack will :)
Opponent (if he is not with past life Klaital Stargazer) can't cancel this
ability, because it's not a gift.
Same kind of Bums Rush metod is possible with Pentex/Bane Ally Enticer.
Banana Split can use his ability by himself too. If he use a Battle
Ferfor and cancel both his and opponent card he still have one card to
hit - and because he is metis it is easy situation to bluff Mangle.
I think Bums Rush is very good combat tactic because you can use it when
attacking or defending. When someone use it to you on first round of
combat, you should never hit your enemy. Only good tactic is Evasion if
possible. That is so because if one of the enemies use Suprise Attack you
don't make any damage and they can hit you with no fear.
zhy...@aol.com
My fave GOTS ta be Allonzo Montoya. He can use a WHOLE
lotta gifts, STARTS with a Rage of 5 and goes to 10, and if
you throw 1 Black Spiral Dancer with him, you can use the
Beast-of-War totem. BAM instant Rage 13. I have actually
used Rent Asunder no less than 6 times in 3 games! Of course
it helps that I have Count Vlad with a Blood Dagger in the pack!
Zhyzhak
Harrington
A favorite of mine is (the ever popular) King Algrecht. Don't you love
giving him a fang dagger, playing a battle song, and playing two heart
breakers on a zmei, killing it, before it even gets a chance to play a
card. :)
Ezra Harrington / har...@execpc.com
"At first flash of Eden, we race down to the sea,
Standing there on freedom's shore,
Waiting for the sun." The Doors "Waiting for the Sun"
total...@aol.com
My favorite chracter is Eater-of-Bears. Next would have to be Questor
(Legacy Version) or Fangthane Bloodjaw. Mamu's also cool.
-dAn
James Lai
"Linda M. Dowe" <ld...@sos.net> wrote:
>What is everyone's favorite Rage character?
Well, my favorite cheese er... Wyrm character is probably Morgan.
Yes, there are Wyrm characters with more Rage, Gnosis, or Health, but
how many of them auto-frenzy? It works something like this.
Player 1: "Carleson declares that my character is going first! I'm
going to hit the Pentex Refinery! I use Attacking the Wyrm to pull my
whole pack in!"
Player 2: "Fine. Morgan steps in the way. Let's play cards.
Okay, I play Gang Beating. Well, I took more than three damage, and
you did too so I Frenzy and..."
*later*
Player 1: "You bastard, you killed my entire pack!"
Player 2: "Yeah, kinda sucks, don't it?"
As far as my favorite Gaia character, I have to go with Song Chaing.
For 7 renown, there isn't a single character in the game with better
stats, and besides, I use Lone Wolf Lupo all the time so Song gets a
Chainsaw and a Portable Computer. <g> Not to mention drawing out all
the other nonfetish equipment in my deck (which is about 25% of it)
gradually during the first equip/ally phase and giving it to everyone
else in my pack, which is Grimfang and King Albrecht.
Speaking of whom, King Albrecht is nice too, especially against Wyrm
decks. Give him a Fang Dagger and watch the fun.
James Lai
Rk9r...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>People should really start looking into the umbra set.. There are some
>VERY nice cards for people in the umbra.. Theres Moon Bridge Assault and
>Moon Bridge Attack which are basically Sneak Attacks from one caern to
>another. And almost everone playes a caern.. Storm crows are Spirit Allies
>that automatically bind for pack attack OR defense. Deep Journey lets any
>lupus in the umbra search through their sept hand and bring any caern,
>totem, spirit ally or fetish directly into play.. not into your hand.
>And im not even gonna mention the Dreamspeaker Mage or Heart of Midnight..
>Theres even a Caern that aloows your to discard it when any of your
>characters takes a mortal wound in the umbra, It will return your
>character to full health into the physical world. My deck rules IMHO,
>Havnt lost since I built it..
There are a couple things that seriously screw any kind of Umbra
dominated deck that relies on territories.
1. Anything that kills one of your territories. Your Serene
Wilderness isn't in the Umbra, so someone could just waste it.
2. Rite of Summoning. No, you're not going to try and bind that
spirit. You're going to try and attack Golgol Fangs First.
3. Spirit Drain. You're going to attack that spirit? Fine, it's
gone and Grimfang is back to full health.
4. Gates of Malfeas. Hee hee hee. I love the wording on this card:
any character in the Umbra SHOULD not take any actions. If he does,
he's discarded. <g>
5. Lord of the Realm. All of you, OUT of the Umbra, right now.
6. A voting deck. You can't vote against it since you're in the
Umbra... they could Skindancer all your pack members away or something
equally heinous.
My point is that you can't rely on just the Umbra to win if other
people are in the game. It's too unreliable a source.
Ddddd Ddddd
James Lai (syni...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: There are a couple things that seriously screw any kind of Umbra
: dominated deck that relies on territories.
:
: 1. Anything that kills one of your territories. Your Serene
: Wilderness isn't in the Umbra, so someone could just waste it.
:
: 2. Rite of Summoning. No, you're not going to try and bind that
: spirit. You're going to try and attack Golgol Fangs First.
:
: 3. Spirit Drain. You're going to attack that spirit? Fine, it's
: gone and Grimfang is back to full health.
:
: 4. Gates of Malfeas. Hee hee hee. I love the wording on this card:
: any character in the Umbra SHOULD not take any actions. If he does,
: he's discarded. <g>
:
: 5. Lord of the Realm. All of you, OUT of the Umbra, right now.
:
: 6. A voting deck. You can't vote against it since you're in the
: Umbra... they could Skindancer all your pack members away or something
: equally heinous.
:
Well, I dont rely too much upon serene wilderness.. You cant attack caerns
and I have 2 Caerns of the Snow Leopard so That protects me.. Also lots of
escape cards. 3 Hearts of Midnight.. Ive NEVER seen Lord of the Realm,or
Gates of Melfeas.. What is it ? You cant use a gift on someone thats in
the umbra unless your in the umbra, also I have lots of cannon fodder
allies.. and lots of rites of returns.. So if I should immediatly need to
return to the physical world, BAM im there. also step sideways in the rest
of the cards tha tlet you step sideways :). And you can use Rite of Return
on another player so if I get you below your homis/lupus health, and use
it you go back to the real world dead and I get VP for it. You cannot call
a moot unless there is at least one person of the other pack to vote on
it. IE) You cant use Jackals Curse if your opponent has no ragabash and
you cant use Moots against a wyrm deck cause theres no gaia to vote on it.
If you do stop me from binding a spirit and attack someone else, I either
escape, Nerve Cluster and kill you, and/or distract and kill you. And I
have a nexus crawler and bones so I can make them fight for me and you
randomly throw a card. Thats IF I dont kill you first.. I have 3 Moon
Bridge Attacks, 3 sneak attacks and 3 Moon Bridge Assaults. Naaasty if you
have a caern.. if not, ah well I still have Morhei High Mountain with
kalindo and 3 aegis's and luna armors .. BIG BIG guy.. Im telling you dude
this deck works! My chars are Moerhei, Laughs at Death and Old Storm
Chaser.. So they arent wussy renown 1 guys. 7, 8 & 5.. Not too shabby :).
My sept deck is 93 cards. Why you ask so big? Because I have 2 mantles of
El dorado (so theyll pop up more, I know you can only have one in play per
game), Old Storm Chaser & chimera.. that means 10 sept a turn if all are
out :). These this guy down here in New Orleans that plays a cheesy 25
sept Bastet deck that stops you from drawing so Im working on a way to
defeat that.. theres another guy that has 9389482394 territories in his
deck and yet another with 3 Skindancers, 3 Tribal Wars, 3 Legendary
Leaderships & 3 Banishment By the Councils.. also 3 reporteres and all the
other + moot stuff.. Impossible to beat him unless theres a guy that can
stop moots every round eehe ah well. One Day when I get the rights from
white wolf, Ill make a Rage computer game.. still working on its basic
code.. programming is hard <G>
Harrington
In article <56eq0p$f...@herald.concentric.net>, Ewr9...@cris.com (Ddddd
Ddddd) wrote:
> You cannot call
> a moot unless there is at least one person of the other pack to vote on
> it. IE) You cant use Jackals Curse if your opponent has no ragabash
Is this right. That seriously limits Jackals Curse's effectiveness, and
all other moots in a 2 player game if one pack is always in the Umbra. I
always thought that Umbra bound pack members could not vote on, and were
not effected by moots, but the instant that they step out they are
effected.
Elmeaux
James Lai wrote:
>
snip
>
> There are a couple things that seriously screw any kind of Umbra
> dominated deck that relies on territories.
>
> 1. Anything that kills one of your territories. Your Serene
> Wilderness isn't in the Umbra, so someone could just waste it.
>
both the real world and the Umbra. Anyone interested should check them
at Rev. Bob's great web page:
Rage InfoCentral | http://www.voy.net/~rhood/rage/rage_cen.html
--
Elmeaux A-go-go
Bonegnawer Ragabash
das...@aol.com
One of my favorite Rage characters (although nearly impossible to get) is
Count Vladimir. This guy can frenzy, step sideways, and regenerate, and
can use more gifts than any other character in the game (24- Old Storm
Chaser can only use about 18 or something like that). He also has high
statistics (Rage 9, Gnosis 7, which is quite high for a wyrm character,
and Health 10) To top this all off, he can even regenerate his lowest
damage card at the end of any round in which he killed something. Even if
you kill him, he doesn't have some ridiculously high Victory point value
despite all the neat things he can do. **cough**cough**King
Albrecht**cough**.
Jason & Angela Bock
My favorite character since day one has and will be Carlson Rauh. "No,
Carlson wants to attack that Pentex Refinary first. Oh my, the refinary
will stand like a fool while Carlson frenzies, mangle (6), dry gulch (4),
Vital Blow (4), Telling Blow (1)...17 V.P. are mine. Easy...
ang
Ddddd Ddddd
: Possibly the easiest way to shut down a deck that relies on the Umbra,
: however, is with Close Gauntlet, Stuck Sideways, and Rite of Realm
: Binding.
Close Gauntlet works only for 1 turn and only for those NOT in the umbra,
The ones in the umbra still stay there. Stuck Sideways is only when
someone is stepping sideways.. As soon as a character of mine gets into
the umbra, they stay there. Unless im about to go up against a big big guy
then I do a rite of return. and Rite of Realm Binding lets me breech the
gauntlet with a rite or action (Step Sideways)
Ddddd Ddddd
Also.. If the character calling the moot is in the umbra with the 20
characters from the other pack, He/She MAY call the moot but I doubt one
guy can get 20 renown <G> Cept maybe king alby with 3 aegises and 2
persuassions hehe
As long as the character calling the moot is in the realm with a member of
another pack, the vote may be called.
Ddddd Ddddd
: Is this right. That seriously limits Jackals Curse's effectiveness, and
: all other moots in a 2 player game if one pack is always in the Umbra. I
: always thought that Umbra bound pack members could not vote on, and were
: not effected by moots, but the instant that they step out they are
: effected.
Nod.. Well if you have 19 characters in the umbra and 1 in the real world,
You can call the moot.. But if all 20 are in the umbra, I was taught you
cant call a moot unless you are on the plane with the tribe your voting
against.. its like king alby goes "Ok guys im calling a vote!!" and one of
his members goes "Why the hell you doing that? theres no packs to vote
against us!".. Same with the ragabash thing.. If only ragabash can vote,
if the ther guy has none his pack leader is like " why you doing that
silly, your the only one voting on it" or somthing. thats what I learned
from the ultimate rage master guy down here in new orleans.
James Lai
Ewr9...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Well, I dont rely too much upon serene wilderness.. You cant attack caerns
>and I have 2 Caerns of the Snow Leopard so That protects me.. Also lots of
>escape cards. 3 Hearts of Midnight.. Ive NEVER seen Lord of the Realm,or
>Gates of Melfeas.. What is it ? You cant use a gift on someone thats in
>the umbra unless your in the umbra, also I have lots of cannon fodder
>allies.. and lots of rites of returns.. So if I should immediatly need to
>return to the physical world, BAM im there. also step sideways in the rest
>of the cards tha tlet you step sideways :). And you can use Rite of Return
>on another player so if I get you below your homis/lupus health, and use
>it you go back to the real world dead and I get VP for it. You cannot call
>a moot unless there is at least one person of the other pack to vote on
>it. IE) You cant use Jackals Curse if your opponent has no ragabash and
>you cant use Moots against a wyrm deck cause theres no gaia to vote on it.
>If you do stop me from binding a spirit and attack someone else, I either
>escape, Nerve Cluster and kill you, and/or distract and kill you. And I
>have a nexus crawler and bones so I can make them fight for me and you
>randomly throw a card. Thats IF I dont kill you first.. I have 3 Moon
>Bridge Attacks, 3 sneak attacks and 3 Moon Bridge Assaults. Naaasty if you
>have a caern.. if not, ah well I still have Morhei High Mountain with
>kalindo and 3 aegis's and luna armors .. BIG BIG guy.. Im telling you dude
>this deck works! My chars are Moerhei, Laughs at Death and Old Storm
>Chaser.. So they arent wussy renown 1 guys. 7, 8 & 5.. Not too shabby :).
>My sept deck is 93 cards. Why you ask so big? Because I have 2 mantles of
>El dorado (so theyll pop up more, I know you can only have one in play per
>game), Old Storm Chaser & chimera.. that means 10 sept a turn if all are
>out :). These this guy down here in New Orleans that plays a cheesy 25
>sept Bastet deck that stops you from drawing so Im working on a way to
>defeat that.. theres another guy that has 9389482394 territories in his
>deck and yet another with 3 Skindancers, 3 Tribal Wars, 3 Legendary
>Leaderships & 3 Banishment By the Councils.. also 3 reporteres and all the
>other + moot stuff.. Impossible to beat him unless theres a guy that can
>stop moots every round eehe ah well. One Day when I get the rights from
>white wolf, Ill make a Rage computer game.. still working on its basic
>code.. programming is hard <G>
Lord of the Realm is a special case as far as Gifts are concerned.
Technically, since you can't use effects across the Gauntlet, then a
lot of things no longer take effect, like oh, I don't know, the Rite
of Realm Binding. It's a Bane gift that allows you to force any
Umbral characters, allies, enemies, etc. out of the Umbra immediately,
sort of like a mass Rite of Return. There's also the Incarna Sigil,
which allows characters to affect things across the Gauntlet.
And if I recall right, the only requirement for a Moot to go off is
for there to be more than one Gaia pack. Just because that Gaia pack
isn't able to vote doesn't mean that your moots won't go off.
And you CAN attack Caerns. It's a moot called Pack Reprimand. You
USED to have a Caern. <g>
Possibly the easiest way to shut down a deck that relies on the Umbra,
however, is with Close Gauntlet, Stuck Sideways, and Rite of Realm
Binding.
I'm not saying Umbra decks don't work. Sometimes they do. I just
don't feel that the Umbra is a safe way to win a game because there
are too many ways to mess with it.
James Lai
lord...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ramon Starke Baba) wrote:
>Ok, my favourite is Old Storm Chaser. You get an extra large sept hand;
>(remember kiddies - this is good) he is a Theurge who has huge Gnosis;
>and for all that, he is Red Talons!
>That means he gets to use *heaps* of gifts...True Fear, Gaia's Vengeance,
>other combat oriented cards et al. People who laugh at him walk away
>sorry after I pound their pack. Plus, it doesn't take much to make him
>able to Greater Banishment things. He can also summon DSMs, flame
>spirits, and other useful allies. And he has decent stats for 7 renown.
>I equip him with an Incarna Sigil and Naturae Boon, and he is almost as
>good as a DSM. Even if he gets wasted by some silly moot deck, I have
>only lost (or gained) 7 renown - I could still have King Albrecht running
>around (although I would never use him).
>What is adds up to is the most versatile Gaia character IMHO. I
>invariably put him in my decks, and have yet to lose with him (short of
>tribe hosing)
He he he... I play a deck consisting mainly of Old Storm Chaser, Seeks
the Truth, and a random Bone Gnawer so I can have the extra card from
Storm Chaser, the extra card from Chimera, a Mantle of El Dorado, and
then the ability of the Caern of Awakening.
I WILL draw my entire Sept deck... <G>
>As a sideline, I am quite happy that this thread arose. It gave me new
>and fresh perpectives on characters and good uses/combos with them.
>Now, to find a way to make a John Hidden-Moon/Lunar Eclipse deck to
>work...*dreams*
>--
>Gotta Go!
>Goodnight Captain Possum,
>Kookaburra, Kangaroo,
>Goodnight young Kenny,
>And goodnight to you!
Timothy M Dolan Jr
I have a three way tie.
Anna Kliminski (I would probably go with anna since I win more often
with her)
Naomi
and Pearl River
for Wyrmies
I kinda like Zhyzhak
and Blossom
but of course nobody beats Bryony Mcleod (an Enemy) for pure evil
annoyance value
Timothy Longwatcher
Children of Gaia, Philodox, Member of the Bane Liberation Front
c/o Tim Dolan
tdol...@ix.netcom.com
Ramon Starke Baba
Ok, my favourite is Old Storm Chaser. You get an extra large sept hand;
(remember kiddies - this is good) he is a Theurge who has huge Gnosis;
and for all that, he is Red Talons!
That means he gets to use *heaps* of gifts...True Fear, Gaia's Vengeance,
other combat oriented cards et al. People who laugh at him walk away
sorry after I pound their pack. Plus, it doesn't take much to make him
able to Greater Banishment things. He can also summon DSMs, flame
spirits, and other useful allies. And he has decent stats for 7 renown.
I equip him with an Incarna Sigil and Naturae Boon, and he is almost as
good as a DSM. Even if he gets wasted by some silly moot deck, I have
only lost (or gained) 7 renown - I could still have King Albrecht running
around (although I would never use him).
What is adds up to is the most versatile Gaia character IMHO. I
invariably put him in my decks, and have yet to lose with him (short of
tribe hosing)
As a sideline, I am quite happy that this thread arose. It gave me new
Linda M. Dowe
I would have to say my fav. rage char. is Anthualpa 'Blood-of-the-Incas'.
Cool name, idea, artwork, and high-rage-for-less. What more could you want?
Kegan Dowe
Tatsuya Murase
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:46:54 GMT, James Lai <syni...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>There are a couple things that seriously screw any kind of Umbra
>dominated deck that relies on territories.
>
>1. Anything that kills one of your territories. Your Serene
>Wilderness isn't in the Umbra, so someone could just waste it.
Not necessarily true. From the Legacy FAQ:
Q: Do Territories cross the Gauntlet?
Yes.
>6. A voting deck. You can't vote against it since you're in the
>Umbra... they could Skindancer all your pack members away or something
>equally heinous.
This isn't true at all. Moots do not affect umbral characters (cf: umbra
rules addition).
>My point is that you can't rely on just the Umbra to win if other
>people are in the game. It's too unreliable a source.
Umbral based decks can win, it's a matter of watching out for things
like Gates of Malfeas (there are a good number of things that are *not*
actions that your malfeas'ed characters can still do) and Incarna Sigils,
and going after Umbra only enemies.
--tots
PS: If you have the Caern of the Snow Leopard out and the Gates of Malfeas
comes out to spread Wyrmful joy to your Umbral characters, and you decide
to take an action (which means your character will be destroyed), can you
discard the Caern to bring him back (ie: is "destroyed" equivalent to
"killed")?
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to...@ugcs.caltech.edu
Chris Campbell
In article <56fls4$8...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, syni...@worldnet.att.net (James Lai) wrote:
>I'm not saying Umbra decks don't work. Sometimes they do. I just
>don't feel that the Umbra is a safe way to win a game because there
>are too many ways to mess with it.
You could say that about just about any strategy, though. My Bastet and
Mokole decks laugh at moot decks; they're not affected by the vast majority of
moots, so why should they care? My Hunts-at-Night deck completely annihilates
pack decks (First *Team*? I only see one...), as does my Count Vlad deck
(Gang Beating). A Dead Zone crushes gift decks. And so on. Every strategy
has some easily exploitable flaws, from Umbra to Hero to Pack to Moot. The
trick is knowing how to balance your deck enough to cover its weaknesses.
Chris
zhy...@aol.com
Ok, let's clear up some stuff right off the bat...
"Characters in the Umbra mat NOT vote in Moots, nor are they
affected by Moots WHILE they are in the Umbra"
-With Fang and Claw p.25-26
(emphasis added by me)
Ok, as CLEARLY stated by here, you cannot hold an 'Umbral Moot'
there AIN'T no such animal Bubba!
Also, you will note that it says CHARACTERS may not be affected
by Moots while they're in the Umbra. This is important for two
reasons. One, I can Jackal's Curse you all DAY, because it affects
your packs kills, not any particular character. Two, obviously, I can't
Skindancer your characters while they're in the Umbra, but if they're
not... oh well.
Now a point on the defense. You can NOT target a Skindancer Moot
against a character in the Umbra, pass it, then say "If your character
leaves the Umbra, it'll affect him/her." Reason? Because even targeting
a character with a moot while they're Umbra is still an effect.
Especially
one like Skindancer where if it fails, an effect is generated.
Anyhow, my MAIN point is, yes an Umbral deck can be effective, but NO
it's not invincible. The biggest drawback as I see it is this...
"Yes, I can't attack any member of your Umbral pack. What's this?
I just put down a Pentex Refinery, and a Pentex Forestry team! Oh,
you're in the Umbra? You can't hit them? Oh, well, I guess I'll get the
Forestry team next turn. Cool, 14 points for a refinery!!! Uh-oh! Sorry
about your Caern, I'll get that mean ole' Forestry team next turn for ya."
Umbral safety also works as Umbral Impotence.
Zhyzhak
Chris Campbell
In article <56ebop$5...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, syni...@worldnet.att.net (James Lai) wrote:
>Rk9r...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>>People should really start looking into the umbra set.. There are some
>>VERY nice cards for people in the umbra.. Theres Moon Bridge Assault and
>>Moon Bridge Attack which are basically Sneak Attacks from one caern to
>>another. And almost everone playes a caern.. Storm crows are Spirit Allies
>>that automatically bind for pack attack OR defense. Deep Journey lets any
>>lupus in the umbra search through their sept hand and bring any caern,
>>totem, spirit ally or fetish directly into play.. not into your hand.
>>And im not even gonna mention the Dreamspeaker Mage or Heart of Midnight..
>>Theres even a Caern that aloows your to discard it when any of your
>>characters takes a mortal wound in the umbra, It will return your
>>character to full health into the physical world. My deck rules IMHO,
>>Havnt lost since I built it..
>
>dominated deck that relies on territories.
>
>1. Anything that kills one of your territories. Your Serene
>Wilderness isn't in the Umbra, so someone could just waste it.
Which is what allies are for...
>2. Rite of Summoning. No, you're not going to try and bind that
>spirit. You're going to try and attack Golgol Fangs First.
Which won't matter if you're in the Umbra and he's not...
>3. Spirit Drain. You're going to attack that spirit? Fine, it's
>gone and Grimfang is back to full health.
Which you can't do against Umbra only spirits unless he's in the Umbra, in
which case I'd be attacking him...
>4. Gates of Malfeas. Hee hee hee. I love the wording on this card:
>any character in the Umbra SHOULD not take any actions. If he does,
>he's discarded. <g>
Which is pretty harmless, as you just ride it out...
>5. Lord of the Realm. All of you, OUT of the Umbra, right now.
Which you need a Bane for...
>6. A voting deck. You can't vote against it since you're in the
>Umbra... they could Skindancer all your pack members away or something
>equally heinous.
No they can't. Folks in the Umbra are not involved in moots and can't be
targeted by Moots.
>My point is that you can't rely on just the Umbra to win if other
>people are in the game. It's too unreliable a source.
Actually, if you can block others' umbral access it works just fine. Loss of
caerns and Rites of Realm Binding do this wonderfully.
Like any deck you have to be able to deal with various strategies, but that's
just part of the game. Umbral decks are a very valid and useful strategy.
Chris
Chris Campbell
In article <19961115203...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, zhy...@aol.com wrote:
>Anyhow, my MAIN point is, yes an Umbral deck can be effective, but NO
>it's not invincible.
I think that could be said about just about any deck type in existence,
though.
>The biggest drawback as I see it is this..."Yes, I can't attack any member of
>your Umbral pack. What's this? I just put down a Pentex Refinery, and a
>Pentex Forestry team! Oh, you're in the Umbra? You can't hit them? Oh,
>well, I guess I'll get the Forestry team next turn. Cool, 14 points for a
>refinery!!! Uh-oh! Sorry about your Caern, I'll get that mean ole' Forestry
>team next turn for ya."
To which I say... "Oh well, I wasn't coming back anyway. Hey, there're a
couple of Drattosi here...oh, you're stuck in the physical world? Okay, I'll
clean up here. Ta-ta!" It works both ways. Being stuck in the Umbra doesn't
matter much if your deck is designed to *play* in the Umbra. If you're
looking to hack on a bunch of spirits, being bound in the Umbra by an opponent
is an extra measure of security. He thinks "Hah! He's stuck, I can go about
my business uninterrupted." When in fact, the reverse is true.
>Umbral safety also works as Umbral Impotence.
Yeah...same with the physical world.
Chris
Chris Campbell
In article <56ebeu$2...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, syni...@worldnet.att.net (James Lai) wrote:
>>What is everyone's favorite Rage character?
>
>
>Well, my favorite cheese er... Wyrm character is probably Morgan.
>Yes, there are Wyrm characters with more Rage, Gnosis, or Health, but
>how many of them auto-frenzy? It works something like this.
>
>Player 1: "Carleson declares that my character is going first! I'm
>going to hit the Pentex Refinery! I use Attacking the Wyrm to pull my
>whole pack in!"
>
>Player 2: "Fine. Morgan steps in the way. Let's play cards.
>Okay, I play Gang Beating. Well, I took more than three damage, and
>you did too so I Frenzy and..."
And I escape. Or any one of my pack plays a True Fear. Or a Shriek or a
Distractions or a Head Wound or a Mangle or whatever...
Personally, I think Mangle's the best way to end a Frenzy. "Hah! I'm
Frenzied!" <Mangle> "I'm still Frenzied! Now my limbs just don't work..."
>*later*
>
>Player 1: "You bastard, you killed my entire pack!"
>
>Player 2: "Yeah, kinda sucks, don't it?"
To which you'd add: get a decent deck and maybe it won't happen next time.
>As far as my favorite Gaia character, I have to go with Song Chaing.
>For 7 renown, there isn't a single character in the game with better
>stats,
Bull. There are a few characters who compare quite nicely, such as Markhat,
Carla Grimsson (exact same stats on a Philodox; better mix, IMO), and Lord
Albrecht. IOW, about half the renown 7s in the game.
>and besides, I use Lone Wolf Lupo all the time so Song gets a Chainsaw and a
>Portable Computer. <g> Not to mention drawing out all the other nonfetish
>equipment in my deck (which is about 25% of it) gradually during the first
>equip/ally phase and giving it to everyone else in my pack, which is Grimfang
>and King Albrecht.
Which is fine and dandy, but if we're doing the past life thing I'll just
point to Klaitel Stargazer on Ciran Far-Traveller or Shu Horus on Walks With
Might. <Shrug>
>Speaking of whom, King Albrecht is nice too, especially against Wyrm
>decks. Give him a Fang Dagger and watch the fun.
Cheese.
Personally, my favorites would be Blood-on-the-Wind (just because he's
incredibly cool), Walks-With-Might (ditto), Old Storm-Chaser, and Naomi. If I
had to pick one and only one, I'd probably choose Walks-With-Might, mainly
because BotW has such goofy crinos art.
Among the Wyrm it'd be Hunts-at-Night, hands down. There is simply no way to
describe the incredible usefulness of this character...no other character out
there single handedly annihilates an entire deck strategy, especially with
such ludicrous ease.
Chris
James Lai
to...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Tatsuya Murase) wrote:
>>6. A voting deck. You can't vote against it since you're in the
>>Umbra... they could Skindancer all your pack members away or something
>>equally heinous.
>This isn't true at all. Moots do not affect umbral characters (cf: umbra
>rules addition).
Moots do when a 30 renown deck has 3 Caern Buildings and 3 Legendary
Leaderships.
Chris Campbell
Which makes things a race. Can I kill my enemies before you build all your
moots? Could go either way in a turn (I go Umbral, you vote on all your moots
at once OR I smack two Morizhikis, one with a Telling Blow. <Shrug>).
Chris
William Klimke
What about two of my favorites.
Allamande. Challenges can't be refused. Yes I know there are ways to counter
this, but when you start off the game with this ability it can help taking
out a Kinfolk Vet and the like.
Also a Metis, and they have some very useful gifts.
Plus you start off with a Rage of 6 (Vital Blow etc.) Mix him in with
other heavy hitters (Walks-with-Might) and you have a quick kill deck.
Give him a Mokole Hide to boost his health, and he's all set.
The other would be Aurgra. Renown 8, with a great ability (can use any
auspice gifts except Theurge).
Will fit in with almost any deck, and has a very high Crinos health (a little
weak in the Rage department but whatever). No tribal hoser cards will affect
her, but she also doesn't get to use any tribe specific gifts, so yes, she is
susceptible to Lunar Eclipse. If you're going to us a two or three Auspice
centered pack, then she bears consideration.
Bill K.
GW
Ddddd Ddddd
James Lai (syni...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Moots do when a 30 renown deck has 3 Caern Buildings and 3 Legendary
: Leaderships.
Caern Building builds a Caern with a gauntlet of 5, You can only have 1
caern in play.. unless that caern gets destroyed/stolen you cant have any
real Caern cards in play and you get a big 10 vp.. while im in the umbra
and attacking you with my spirits that you cant hit <G>
hop...@itis.com
I'm sorry but the best character in Rage is the great Shakey Mac. He is the
man! He has 10 Gnosis, and for and 8 renown character that is unheard of. He
also is just neat! His art rocks, and he has a neat ability. He has been in
everyone of my Gaia decks, and will always be. (Just for style.) Also slap a
Mage's Talisman on this bad boy, and then the fun starts.....
Ben!
Ramon Starke Baba
: >cannon fodder allies..
This is not a good strategy. Many times I have run into decks that rely
on people going after these to protect their pack. As expected, they get
creamed. You just can't afford to have anything that is extraneous; if
any of you can, I will be impressed and would like to see the deck. I
make sure that every card in my Sept deck is useful. I just found out
that guys running the local gaming store play Apocalypse rules. When I
gave them a game, I rushed to find stuff to chuck in to make the size
quotas. It really ticked me off, because I didn't get the cards I wanted
quickly, with all the junk I threw in. They, on the other hand, had huge
Sept decks...Grandfather Bannion et al., and a Black Furies deck.
I used Golgol, Old Storm Chaser, Sings-for-the-Beast, Tracker-by-Moonlight
and Dreams-of-Wonder.
The result? I won. Not by a small margin either. I was sitting
on around 47vp, with no dead characters. The volume and rate of gift
cancelling was unbelievable. So many Surprise Attacks to piss me off
(since I don't have any.) I locked up Grandfather Bannion for so long
with my Kinfolk Small Town Cop, by the time he drew a Sneak Attack, I was
so close to victory that the game was virtually sewn up. In short, I was
once again convinced that big decks don't work. Of course, you can ignore
such a long post about the usefulness of fodder allies, but my Flame
Spirits ended up useless; I kicked ass with (surprisingly) Orville.I
desperately wanted to switch 'em for a Tourist Litterbug Lout.
zhy...@aol.com
Actually, I have a deck that will allow me to deal with Umbral matters,
should they come up, but I don't rely on having to HIDE in the Umbra to
win. The point I was making, that you were kind enough to reprint for me,
was that an Umbral deck is good... when your opponent is unprepared for
it. Perhaps I worded it badly by saying that no deck is invincible.
That's
obvious. But a better way of saying it would be...
A balanced deck has a better chance of victory than a single purpose deck.
And, no, I don't buy the arguement that This-Kind-of-Deck can ALWAYS
beat That-Kind-of-Deck. Moot Decks are fine, until you don't draw a
Skindancer
first round, and Golgol chews on your voters. Combat God Decks work fine,
until that Umbral Deck gives them no target to kill. A Gift Deck is
wonderful,
until a Shut-Up-Thank-You Deck shuts it down. I think you get my point
here.
Zhyzhak
zhy...@aol.com
Um, you can discard a Caern at will. Second I could vote for giving you
a caern
(assuming you don't have one to begin with). Plus, I can in FACT hit any
spirit
in the Umbra that can hit me with the sole exception of Flame Spirits.
Check
the rules. Spirits exist in BOTH the Umbral and Physical realms and can
be
effected from either realm. Nice try tho.
Oh yeah, I have one more question. How do you figure to start your entire
pack
in the Umbra? I know Naomi can start there, but she's the only one. For
every
one else, they have to Step Sideways or use a Caern or Gift. Are you
telling me
that you can get your entire pack into the Umbra on the first turn, every
time?
That would really suprise me, and probably get me to call a judge over to
check
your deck. You shouldn't have to rely on certain cards and combos to win
a
game. A good deck should be able to deal with any situation.
Just my $0.02
Zhyzhak
Tatsuya Murase
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:36:47 GMT, James Lai <syni...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>to...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Tatsuya Murase) wrote:
>
>
>>This isn't true at all. Moots do not affect umbral characters (cf: umbra
>>rules addition).
>
>Leaderships.
This is irrelevant to your original point. You claimed that moots such
as Skindancer could take effect on Umbral characters. This is not the
case as per the rules written. Retroactive changing of your point is
rather lame, IMO.
--tots
--
---------------
to...@ugcs.caltech.edu
Ddddd Ddddd
Geez, Get your lines fixed they are all fucked.. Anyway.. You can only
give me a caern if im willing. And no, I cant start my entire pack in the
umbra BUT you cant start the game with caern buildings or anything either.
I have about a 58 card sept deck with 3 Opening the Silver Windows, 3 Step
Sideways, 2 Caerns of Snow Leopard, 2 Caerns of Weeping Daughter & 1 Caern
Building.. so theres a 1 out of 6 chance ill get an umbral access card in
the first round. I dont DEPEND upon the umbra.. Morhei High-Mountain is my
tank.. Him with 3 Aegises, a Mokole Hide & Lunas Armors is a pretty tough
guy to kill and if you do manage to kill him, I discard caern of snow
leopard and hey look, hes back in physical world and all the damage cards
get removed :). I have 3 distractions in my deck (who doesnt) and
Redirected Attack & Nerve Clusters.. I guess the point is I dont JUST
depend upon the umbra.. But its a big part of my strategy.. If I manage to
get my guys in the umbra before you can get in there, theres not a damn
thing you can do except sit back and watch me draw 10 cards a round
(Chimera, Old Storm Chaser & Mantle of El Dorado) cause I got 2 Deep
Journeys that let me get any Totem or Fetish..
Im so happy though, I played a guy that no one can beat and whooped him 2
out of 3 times.. He won cause I accidently left a Nexus Crawler in my
deck.. But I took out his tank by the 3rd round every time.. He actually
played me with 2 of his decks, A kalindo deck & a misc deck and I killed
them both :) woo Today, New Orleans.. Tomorrow the world!
zhy...@aol.com
<snip>
> Anyway.. You can only
>give me a caern if im willing.
Ok, Stop right here. Allow me to quote the card. Caern Building
"Select a player to own the caern. If the vote passes, the player
gains 4 victory ponts. Yada yada yada." By the way, nothing in
the entire card says ANYTHING about the person who recieves
it having a choice. If you choose to discard the caern, you lose
the 4 VP's, but then again, all enemies don't get +2 rage against
you anymore either. Moving on...
>And no, I cant start my entire pack in the
>umbra BUT you cant start the game with caern buildings or anything
either.
>I have about a 58 card sept deck with 3 Opening the Silver Windows, 3
Step
>Sideways, 2 Caerns of Snow Leopard, 2 Caerns of Weeping Daughter & 1
Caern
>Building.. so theres a 1 out of 6 chance ill get an umbral access card in
>the first round.
Ok, that's very reasonable.
>I dont DEPEND upon the umbra.. Morhei High-Mountain is my
>tank.. Him with 3 Aegises, a Mokole Hide & Lunas Armors is a pretty tough
>guy to kill and if you do manage to kill him, I discard caern of snow
>leopard and hey look, hes back in physical world and all the damage cards
>get removed :).
Woah!!! If I manage to kill him, you bring him back? So is Morhei in the
Umbra or not? Read The Caern of the Snow Leopard carefully, if the
character dies in the UMBRA, then you can discard the caern to bring
him back in the physical realm. If I kill him in the physical realm, he's
just plain ole' dead. But you are correct, it's a real pain in the butt
to
kill a Kalindo user anytime. By the way, how big's your Combat deck
and how many of the cards are Kalindo? I've normally found it's very hard
to make a Kalindo deck, even without worrying about Umbral combat cards.
Or do you not include the Umbral combat cards? See, I don't know what
your combat deck looks like.
>I have 3 distractions in my deck (who doesnt)
Me. I feel they're a bit Munchkin-ish, but then again. So is Spiritof
the Fray, which I love, so...
> and
>Redirected Attack & Nerve Clusters.. I guess the point is I dont JUST
>depend upon the umbra.. But its a big part of my strategy.. If I manage
to
>get my guys in the umbra before you can get in there, theres not a damn
>thing you can do except sit back and watch me draw 10 cards a round
>(Chimera, Old Storm Chaser & Mantle of El Dorado) cause I got 2 Deep
>Journeys that let me get any Totem or Fetish..
Wrong again. Ever heard of an Incarna Sigil? I would sooner walk into
a tournament without pants on than without two Incarna Sigils in my
pack reserves. It's a great card. It allows me to fully interact with
the
Umbra. At will. But, it's a one way ticket. Now I won't go so far as to
say that I can hit your characters in the Umbra and you can't hit back.
I think that's a load of horse pucky. But what I do take it to mean is
that
I have to initiate combat. You can't declare against me as a legal
target.
But if I jump you... damn tootin you can hit me back.
>Im so happy though, I played a guy that no one can beat and whooped him 2
>out of 3 times.. He won cause I accidently left a Nexus Crawler in my
>deck.. But I took out his tank by the 3rd round every time.. He actually
>played me with 2 of his decks, A kalindo deck & a misc deck and I killed
>them both :) woo Today, New Orleans.. Tomorrow the world!
Yeah, it's always fun taking "The Invincible Guy" down a notch. Humility
is a wonderful lesson.
By the way (sorry this is taking so long), I have a useful idea for YOU!
It came to me last night. Umbral Escape. Now I know it seems to
make no sense for an Umbral deck, but hear me out. Let's say your
pack is in the umbra. And I pull the nasty trick of slapping down a
Pentex Forestry team, which kills your caern. Then, since I "know"
you're locked in the Umbra (for the most part), I put down my Pentex
Refinery or my Zmei, which I can now kill at my leisure. Well, of course
you'll want to play combat cards for my opponent, so, I do a bit of
damage to the big baddy, and all of a sudden, you throw an Umbral
Escape for it (which is legal)!!! Well, the combat round's over for me,
unless I can somehow chase it, but now it's your turn. Guess what?
That enemy is in the Umbra till the next Regeneration Phase. So, you
go ahead and finish it off. Whaddya think? Pretty sneaky huh?
Try it out. I bet you'll like it.
Zhyzhak
James Lai
hop...@itis.com wrote:
The problem with Shakey Mac is that his other stats leave a bit to be
desired... leaving him vulnerable to mean nasties like the Progenitor
Mage.
James Lai
G8...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Caern Building builds a Caern with a gauntlet of 5, You can only have 1
>caern in play.. unless that caern gets destroyed/stolen you cant have any
>real Caern cards in play and you get a big 10 vp.. while im in the umbra
>and attacking you with my spirits that you cant hit <G>
Wrong. You can voluntarily discard any card you have in play...
INCLUDING the Caern you get with Caern building. You still get the
renown for passing the moot, but you can toss the Caern and then make
a new one... and so on and so forth.
James Lai
lord...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ramon Starke Baba) wrote:
>such a long post about the usefulness of fodder allies, but my Flame
>Spirits ended up useless; I kicked ass with (surprisingly) Orville.I
>desperately wanted to switch 'em for a Tourist Litterbug Lout.
There's one thing that bears mentioning about the Flame Spirit that
makes it an AWESOME ally to have in ANY deck that can fit it:
Shieldmate.
The player of the Shieldmate chooses where all damage cards go. The
Flame Spirit is only affected by Gifts and Umbral attacks. As long as
your fight is physical, you can do something like this:
1. Rite of Summoning. You there, Morgan, attack Bron Mac Fionn here.
2. Shieldmate. Bring in the Flame Spirit as the shieldmate.
3. All your combat cards hit the Flame Spirit, doing no damage to it
while I pound you into the dirt.
James Lai
Fjsd...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Geez, Get your lines fixed they are all fucked.. Anyway.. You can only
>give me a caern if im willing. And no, I cant start my entire pack in the
>umbra BUT you cant start the game with caern buildings or anything either.
>I have about a 58 card sept deck with 3 Opening the Silver Windows, 3 Step
>Sideways, 2 Caerns of Snow Leopard, 2 Caerns of Weeping Daughter & 1 Caern
>Building.. so theres a 1 out of 6 chance ill get an umbral access card in
>the first round. I dont DEPEND upon the umbra.. Morhei High-Mountain is my
>tank.. Him with 3 Aegises, a Mokole Hide & Lunas Armors is a pretty tough
>guy to kill and if you do manage to kill him, I discard caern of snow
>leopard and hey look, hes back in physical world and all the damage cards
>get removed :).
Caern of the Snow Leopard only works if you die in the Umbra. If
someone forces you back into the physical world and kills you, you
stay quite nicely dead thanks. Besides, the easiest way to kill
anyone, especially if you have Deep Journey or something like that is
with the ever irritating Thunder's Gauntlet/Knife Wind combination.
Fast way to deal effectively with any "tank" character.
> I have 3 distractions in my deck (who doesnt) and
>Redirected Attack & Nerve Clusters.. I guess the point is I dont JUST
>depend upon the umbra.. But its a big part of my strategy.. If I manage to
>get my guys in the umbra before you can get in there, theres not a damn
>thing you can do except sit back and watch me draw 10 cards a round
>(Chimera, Old Storm Chaser & Mantle of El Dorado) cause I got 2 Deep
>Journeys that let me get any Totem or Fetish..
Unless someone yanks all your guys back. Lord of the Realm is a
bitch. On the matter of Morehei, unless he is channeling Klaital
Stargazer, I don't think he can use Luna's Armor. BTW, try using
Seeks the Truth too. Draw power is always fun... though for true
speed use a Bone Gnawer and throw in Caern of Awakening, because it IS
legal for you to "discard" a zero card sept hand and redraw.
Oh yeah, to follow on what Zhyzak said, another card I would never go
into a tournament without is Journey Onward. I know it's really kind
of a low blow, but still, if someone's only got one Stargazer in his
pack, he's asking for it, IMO.
hop...@itis.com
>
> The problem with Shakey Mac is that his other stats leave a bit to be
> desired... leaving him vulnerable to mean nasties like the Progenitor
> Mage.
>
Sure his stats are low, but there are lots of neat Bone Gnawer things that can
get them up pretty high. Survivor is very nice. That has saved Shakey's butt
several times. The Rat totem is a personal favorite, and the Frankweiler Sword
can come in handy when used with the Bone Gnawer past life. Shakey can also
use all those neat healing gifts as well. His stats are low, but he's a great
thurge for 8 points....
Ben
Ddddd Ddddd
James Lai (syni...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Caern of the Snow Leopard only works if you die in the Umbra. If
: someone forces you back into the physical world and kills you, you
: stay quite nicely dead thanks. Besides, the easiest way to kill
: anyone, especially if you have Deep Journey or something like that is
: with the ever irritating Thunder's Gauntlet/Knife Wind combination.
: Fast way to deal effectively with any "tank" character.
:
: Oh yeah, to follow on what Zhyzak said, another card I would never go
: into a tournament without is Journey Onward. I know it's really kind
: of a low blow, but still, if someone's only got one Stargazer in his
: pack, he's asking for it, IMO.
:
Duh.. The whole point of the deck is to stay in the umbra and pump up all
my guys ridiculously.. I have Mage Talismans for lunas armor. Also I have
umbral escapes and people like to umbral escape when I umbral escape so we
both are in the umbra and combat continues. We dont play with any of those
tribe only events that cant be cancelled ie) ragnarok, harano gloom,
JOURNEY ONWARD. . They are low blows and cheap as a fuck so we dont play
with them.
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
Fjsd...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Anyway.. You can only
>give me a caern if im willing. And no, I cant start my entire pack in the
>umbra BUT you cant start the game with caern buildings or anything either.
No, but I can start with a Spiritual Revelation.
>I have about a 58 card sept deck with 3 Opening the Silver Windows, 3 Step
>Sideways, 2 Caerns of Snow Leopard, 2 Caerns of Weeping Daughter & 1 Caern
>Building.. so theres a 1 out of 6 chance ill get an umbral access card in
>the first round. I dont DEPEND upon the umbra..
Good. With my Bane deck, you wouldn't last very long.
>Morhei High-Mountain is my
>tank.. Him with 3 Aegises, a Mokole Hide & Lunas Armors is a pretty tough
>guy to kill
One small problem: he, like all other characters, can only have ONE
copy of a Gift on him at any time, unless the Gift says otherwise.
Back to ONE Aegis and ONE Luna's Armor.
>and if you do manage to kill him, I discard caern of snow
>leopard and hey look, hes back in physical world and all the damage cards
>get removed :).
Forestry Development. Bane Moonbridge. Defiler.
>I have 3 distractions in my deck (who doesnt) and
>Redirected Attack & Nerve Clusters.. I guess the point is I dont JUST
>depend upon the umbra.. But its a big part of my strategy.. If I manage to
>get my guys in the umbra before you can get in there, theres not a damn
>thing you can do except sit back and watch me draw 10 cards a round
>(Chimera, Old Storm Chaser & Mantle of El Dorado) cause I got 2 Deep
>Journeys that let me get any Totem or Fetish..
And I got three Bane Infestations that let me take your Fetishes, and
a similar number of Revilements.
>Im so happy though, I played a guy that no one can beat and whooped him 2
>out of 3 times.. He won cause I accidently left a Nexus Crawler in my
>deck.. But I took out his tank by the 3rd round every time.. He actually
>played me with 2 of his decks, A kalindo deck & a misc deck and I killed
>them both :) woo Today, New Orleans.. Tomorrow the world!
And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
Kestrel
The Fairly Decent Dragon
John Schroeder
I am just a freak.
My favorite is Passer. When you don't want to fight send him forward. No one
attacks him there is no point, he is to weak to threaten and worth no victory
points.
Prime Supreme
---
"Knowledge is truly ignorance we cannot escape"
Nodori
"People always mean well, they cluck their thick tongues and shake their heads
and suggest oh, so delicately"
Norman Bates
"I should have killed you in my womb. You sure as hell tried to kill me
getting out of it!
Mrs. Bates
You don't trust me? All that faith and no potatoes."
Norman Bates
Ddddd Ddddd
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon (r...@airmail.net) wrote:
: Fjsd...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
:
: One small problem: he, like all other characters, can only have ONE
: copy of a Gift on him at any time, unless the Gift says otherwise.
: Back to ONE Aegis and ONE Luna's Armor.
what the HELL are you talking about? A character may have as many copies
of a gift as they want, Unless the card says otherwise.. You may have as
many Aegises or Lunas Armors as you want.. Unless your playing by Limited
Edition rules.. then you may only have 1 lunas armor.
: And I got three Bane Infestations that let me take your Fetishes, and
: a similar number of Revilements.
You cant steal my equip with rite of talisman dedication. which I have 2
of in my deck incase you get the Vigil rite.
: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
Ddddd Ddddd
John Schroeder (JSchr...@envirolink.org) wrote:
: I am just a freak.
: My favorite is Passer. When you don't want to fight send him forward. No one
: attacks him there is no point, he is to weak to threaten and worth no victory
: points.
Uhh why wouldnt anyone want to kill passer? If you kill passer, Your next
alpha has to be one of your other characters/allies.
holg...@aol.com
In article <56rr6u$f...@herald.concentric.net>, J8j...@cris.com (Ddddd
Ddddd) writes:
>: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
>
>Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
>dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
Um... Gates of Malfeas is an Event.
Chris Campbell
In article <56rr6u$f...@herald.concentric.net>, J8j...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon (r...@airmail.net) wrote:
>: Fjsd...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>:
>: One small problem: he, like all other characters, can only have ONE
>: copy of a Gift on him at any time, unless the Gift says otherwise.
>: Back to ONE Aegis and ONE Luna's Armor.
>
>what the HELL are you talking about?
Maybe the rules of the game?
>A character may have as many copies of a gift as they want, Unless the card
>says otherwise..
No, you can't. It's a ruling to reduce cheesiness in general.
>You may have as many Aegises or Lunas Armors as you want..
No, you can't.
>Unless your playing by Limited Edition rules.. then you may only have 1 lunas
>armor.
You may only have one copy of each gift (according to tournament rules),
unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
>: And I got three Bane Infestations that let me take your Fetishes, and
>: a similar number of Revilements.
>
>You cant steal my equip with rite of talisman dedication. which I have 2
>of in my deck incase you get the Vigil rite.
You equip, I steal before you dedicate. Very simple.
>: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
>
>Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
>dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
Gates of Malfeas is an Event. Your dreamspeaker and Banishments will look on
in stupification as the horrors of the Wyrm wash over them...
Chris
Linda M. Dowe
James Lai <syni...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<56ebeu$2...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> As far as my favorite Gaia character, I have to go with Song Chaing.
> For 7 renown, there isn't a single character in the game with better
> stats, and besides, I use Lone Wolf Lupo all the time so Song gets a
> Chainsaw and a Portable Computer. <g> Not to mention drawing out all
> the other nonfetish equipment in my deck (which is about 25% of it)
> gradually during the first equip/ally phase and giving it to everyone
> else in my pack, which is Grimfang and King Albrecht.
Man, a Roger Dally could ruin your day, destroying all your equipment.
(Har-Har)
Ddddd Ddddd
Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: You may only have one copy of each gift (according to tournament rules),
: unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
Quoting from the rule book of rage "Some gifts may only be played a
certain times, but most can be played at any time. EACH GIFT HAS SPECIFIC
RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHEN IT MAY BE PLAYED." ie) Wyrm Hide says you may
have more than one, countless others say you may not.. those are the
specific rules on the card. Go to http://www.white-wolf.com and look at
the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
bro...@marshall.edu
My Favorite character is Rheya Wrath of Heaven. Good stats and VEry good
Artwork makes this card work. Also being able to use Wendigo gifts, allies,
fetishes..in addition to her own is powerful. (Does this mean she can use
Wendigo PL?,...hmmm)
Matt
Brian Glass
Ddddd Ddddd wrote:
>
> Quoting from the rule book of rage "Some gifts may only be played a
> certain times, but most can be played at any time. EACH GIFT HAS SPECIFIC
> RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHEN IT MAY BE PLAYED." ie) Wyrm Hide says you may
> have more than one, countless others say you may not.. those are the
> specific rules on the card. Go to http://www.white-wolf.com and look at
> the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
> dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
Unless the Gift specifically says you may benefit from more than one,
you are limited to one of the same Gift per person. 1 Luna's Armor on a
character, 1 Aegis on a character, 2 Wyrm Hides on a character, etc.
These are (and have been) the rules since unlimited edition came out.
(although this isn't stopping you from having any kind of house rule
that you want -- it's just not legal for tournament play)
Brian
Currently Handling All Things Rage
Rage/Arcadia Customer Support
White Wolf Game Studio
Jason & Angela Bock
White Wolf has ruled NOT on the Wendigo Past Life. Past Lives are not
gifts. Good try though, but someone else already thought of it and WW
knocked it down.
ang
Ddddd Ddddd
Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: You equip, I steal before you dedicate. Very simple.
:
Why are you so persistant in trying to say you can beat me? You can't
control what you get, Nor can I.. But almost NOBODY prepares for an umbra
deck. Nobody plays umbra, therefore why prepare a deck of anti umbra? I
have told you what I have in my deck and you have just listed cards that
counter my cards, I know what counters my cards.. Im sure you dont have
the 30000 card you listed to beat me in your deck.. specially all the anti
umbra stuff. If I were to play you tomorrow with you not knowing who I was
I would beat the living shit out of you. If everyone were to tell everyone
else what they had in their deck before the game, where would the fun be?
My point is you wouldnt know what kind of deck I was playing.. You may
think ill be playing umbra when im really playing a tank deck, or vice
versa.
Jason & Angela Bock
In article <56t9t4$e...@herald.concentric.net>, Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd
Ddddd) wrote:
> Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : You may only have one copy of each gift (according to tournament rules),
> : unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
>
> Quoting from the rule book of rage "Some gifts may only be played a
> certain times, but most can be played at any time. EACH GIFT HAS SPECIFIC
> RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHEN IT MAY BE PLAYED." ie) Wyrm Hide says you may
> have more than one, countless others say you may not.. those are the
> specific rules on the card. Go to http://www.white-wolf.com and look at
> the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
> dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
See the below ruling from Brian Glass:
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:08:04 -0400
From: Brian Glass <Ra...@white-wolf.com>
Reply-To: Ra...@white-wolf.com
Organization: Silver Pack Coordinator/White Wolf Game Studios
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: rage <rag...@knot.org>
Subject: Re: gift multiples
Sender: owner-...@knot.org
Precedence: bulk
Bloomgren Andrew J wrote:
>
> > > In a message dated 96-11-18 23:08:04 EST, you write:
> > >
> > > << Also, one alias of each character at any time. >>
> > >
> > > Since when?
> >
> > Presumably since the limit of one of each Gift per character, unless the
> > Gift explicitly allows otherwise.
>
> what are you talking about? i asked if this was the case a couple of
> months ago and no one said anything. if the official rule is that you
> can only have one of each gift per character then it's an insanely stupid
> rule and i'm glad i don't play that way.
>
> andy
Hmmm, must have missed that a couple of months ago. That's the way it's
played. If the Gift doesn't say you can have multiples (or gain benefits
from multiples) of itself, then you may only have one of a Gift on a
character.
I have to disagree that it's an insanely stupid rule. What if you slap a
Mages Talisman on a character and use 3 Luna's Armors, 3 Aegis and 3
Wyrm Hides along with a Mokole Hide? That's +20 Health. While that could
be handy, it's pretty far out there...
You can only Alias a character once (you can do it again if that
original Alias gets destroyed).
But you're more than welcome to use your own house rules (just not in
sanctioned tournament play). :)
Brian
WWGS
This was posted today on the Rage Mailing List.
ang
Jason & Angela Bock
In article <84838776...@manatee.envirolink.org>,
JSchr...@envirolink.org wrote:
> I am just a freak.
> My favorite is Passer. When you don't want to fight send him forward.
No one
> attacks him there is no point, he is to weak to threaten and worth no victory
> points.
>
> Prime Supreme
> ---
> "Knowledge is truly ignorance we cannot escape"
> Nodori
> "People always mean well, they cluck their thick tongues and shake their
heads
> and suggest oh, so delicately"
> Norman Bates
> "I should have killed you in my womb. You sure as hell tried to kill me
> getting out of it!
> Mrs. Bates
> You don't trust me? All that faith and no potatoes."
> Norman Bates
Passer is the Man for Taking the Death Blow!!!
ang
Jason & Angela Bock
In article <56t9kv$e...@herald.concentric.net>, Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd
Ddddd) wrote:
Sorry but I HAVE beat Umbra decks in a couple tournaments in the last few
months. No deck is unbeatable. My GenCon deck got beat by a guy that had
never played in a tournament before at AggieCon. It was a one-on-one
tournament and he got a super first round draw. This is the same deck
that trashed three little boys' deck second round at GenCon and made
another little boy start crying because he had the attitude of he couldn't
get beat by a girl. No damage to my pack and wipped out their three
packs. If you go into a tournament with the attitude that you can't be
beat you probably will be. I actually do have about 30000 Rage Cards so I
could build any deck that I wanted. I have played a Moot Deck at another
tournament that racked up 28 Victory Points before Alphas were choosen,
and an Umbra deck was on the table in the tournament. I don't have to
have anti-Umbra cards when I have Sneak Attacks, Eye of the Cobra, Winter
Wolf, Visit from White Father, Dreamspeakers, Pentex Refinary (with
Carlson Ruah), etc. I can end up pulling almost half my sept deck with a
good draw in the first round. I can pull eleven of my sept cards out of
25. I can get the cards I need quick and rack up Victory Points. Don't
think you can't be beat, every deck has a weakness.
ang
Chris Campbell
In article <56t9t4$e...@herald.concentric.net>, Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
>
>Quoting from the rule book of rage "Some gifts may only be played a
>certain times, but most can be played at any time. EACH GIFT HAS SPECIFIC
>RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHEN IT MAY BE PLAYED." ie) Wyrm Hide says you may
>have more than one, countless others say you may not.. those are the
>specific rules on the card. Go to http://www.white-wolf.com and look at
>the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
>dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
Take it up with Justin Achilli. Those are the rules, whether you like them or
not. Go read the tournament rules posted conveniently at several locations on
the Web.
Chris
Ddddd Ddddd
concentric.net> <56tv2m$k...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Distribution:
Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >If everyone were to tell everyone else what they had in their deck before
: >the game, where would the fun be?
:
: Hey, I never asked you to. The only reason I argued the point at all was
: because you keep going off about how wonderful your deck is, when it's no
: better than anyone elses. All decks have weaknesses, and if you start
: spouting about how great yours is you're gonna get shot down. That's the
: way people work. Sorry if that offends you, but deal with it.
My original post was to say that the umbra is a good place to play at, I
never went off about how great my deck was.. Just said that "People should
really start looking into the umbra set, there are some nice cards" and
everyone else went off about how easy it is to beat the crap out of umbra
characters, so of course I defended the umbra ;). And with this gift
thing.. Why is it not on the white wolf home page? Ive been playing since
Wyrm came out and I read nothing about it. Why do some cards say you may
not have more than one if you already cant have more than one then? If all
gifts can only be used once on a target at a time, Why put on some of the
card "No character may benefit from more than 1 of this gift at a time?"..
Chris Campbell
In article <56u1ni$n...@herald.concentric.net>, Djs8...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>concentric.net> <56tv2m$k...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
>Organization: Concentric Internet Services
>Distribution:
>
>
>Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: >If everyone were to tell everyone else what they had in their deck before
>: >the game, where would the fun be?
>:
>: Hey, I never asked you to. The only reason I argued the point at all was
>: because you keep going off about how wonderful your deck is, when it's no
>: better than anyone elses. All decks have weaknesses, and if you start
>: spouting about how great yours is you're gonna get shot down. That's the
>: way people work. Sorry if that offends you, but deal with it.
>
>My original post was to say that the umbra is a good place to play at, I
>never went off about how great my deck was.. Just said that "People should
>really start looking into the umbra set, there are some nice cards"
Yeah, and if you've been keeping track you'll notice I've been saying the same
thing.
>and everyone else went off about how easy it is to beat the crap out of umbra
>characters, so of course I defended the umbra ;).
That they did, and if you'll notice I defended it as well. Then you went into
how wonderful your deck was, and how it kicked ass and would cream everyone
else . . . people get touchy about that kinda thing.
>And with this gift thing.. Why is it not on the white wolf home page? Ive
>been playing since Wyrm came out and I read nothing about it. Why do some
>cards say you may not have more than one if you already cant have more than
>one then? If all gifts can only be used once on a target at a time, Why put
>on some of the card "No character may benefit from more than 1 of this gift
>at a time?"..
Like WW is consistent. Come on. :) In the Limited edition (and in the basic
rules) you can play gifts as much as you want. The no-more-than-one is a
tournament rule, though I'm not sure about how recent it is (certainly within
the last year or so, but I'm not sure exactly when it originated). It's like
the 4 card max rule in Magic. . . technically, you can build a deck with 20
Plague Rats, but it never happens because everyone plays by DC rules. Same
idea. You can technically play more than one copy of a gift on someone, just
not in tournaments.
Chris
Elmeaux
Ddddd Ddddd wrote:
>
. And with this gift
> thing.. Why is it not on the white wolf home page?
And why does it still say "Legacy of the Tribes is coming soon!"? Cause
they never update the damn thing( kinda irratates me, too.) I would
suggest checking out Rev Bob's page(thanks Rev.) at:
http://www.voy.net/~rhood/info_cen.html
It has tons of Rage info, including a complete and updated spoiler list
and FAQs for all the sets. It is the best place to go for Rage info. You
can also subscribe to the Rage mailing list there. Check it out.
Any how, the main reason I'm writing is that I noticed in an earlier
post you said you live in N.O. I was wondering where you play as I live
about an hour away and the only place I've seen anyone play is at BSI
comics.
--
Elmeaux A-go-go
Bonegnawer Ragabash
Chris Campbell
In article <56t9kv$e...@herald.concentric.net>, Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>:
>
>Why are you so persistant in trying to say you can beat me?
I'm not; there are at least 2, maybe 3 or more poeple arguing with you.
Mostly because you're making sweeping generalizations that simply aren't true.
>You can't control what you get, Nor can I.. But almost NOBODY prepares for an
>umbra deck. Nobody plays umbra, therefore why prepare a deck of anti umbra? I
>have told you what I have in my deck and you have just listed cards that
>counter my cards, I know what counters my cards.. Im sure you dont have
>the 30000 card you listed to beat me in your deck.. specially all the anti
>umbra stuff. If I were to play you tomorrow with you not knowing who I was
>I would beat the living shit out of you.
No, you wouldn't. My decks often have a heavy Umbra component to them, mainly
because I'm paranoid about running into people who use it heavily. I just
don't rely on it exclusively, except for maybe two decks (one's a Bane deck
that works on surprise; the other is a Kailindo/Stargazer deck that works fine
in or out of the Umbra). If you ran into my Vlad or BSD deck I doubt very
much that you'd beat the living shit out of me. Probably the reverse,
actually.
>If everyone were to tell everyone else what they had in their deck before the
>game, where would the fun be?
Hey, I never asked you to. The only reason I argued the point at all was
because you keep going off about how wonderful your deck is, when it's no
better than anyone elses. All decks have weaknesses, and if you start
spouting about how great yours is you're gonna get shot down. That's the way
people work. Sorry if that offends you, but deal with it.
>My point is you wouldnt know what kind of deck I was playing.. You may
>think ill be playing umbra when im really playing a tank deck, or vice
>versa.
Yeah, and I make decks able to deal with both. Sometimes they get stomped,
sometimes they kick ass, and usually it's somewhere in the middle. Which is
mostly what the game's all about.
Chris
holg...@aol.com
In article <1996Nov19.162231.7519@hobbit>, bro...@marshall.edu writes:
>My Favorite character is Rheya Wrath of Heaven. Good stats and VEry good
>Artwork makes this card work. Also being able to use Wendigo gifts,
allies,
>fetishes..in addition to her own is powerful. (Does this mean she can use
>Wendigo PL?,...hmmm)
Gee, who can't use Wendigo crap these days? Anyways, no, she definitely
cannot channel Old Red Eagle - to do that you have to BE a Wendigo. Rheya
has access to Wendigo goodies, but is still an Uktena.
das...@aol.com
In response to the question of whether Rheya can use the Wendigo past
Life, an answer can be found in Rev. Bob's Legacy FAQ. It reads:
Rheya Wrath of heaven can use cards that require a Wendigo Prequisite, but
since the PL requires a Wendigo CHARACTER, it is not possible, since rheya
is a Uktena, and the tribe requrements on Past Lives are not really
prequisites. Besides, do you think White Wold would be stupid enough to
turn Rheya into a Rage 10, Gnosis 6, Health 12 war machine who's frenzies
can't be cancelled? I dont' think so. :)
Tatsuya Murase
On 19 Nov 1996 21:47:16 GMT, Ddddd Ddddd <Sdf...@cris.com> wrote:
>
>the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
>dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
Perhaps from Justin Achilli who posted it to the rage mailing list a few
months ago, and reaffirmed by Brian Glass just a few days ago.
Again, you are welcome to play any way you see fit, but this is the rule
as it pertains to tournaments (ie: it is part of the errata assumed to be
in effect). Personally, I think the rule makes sense and lends the game
to be less cheesy and ridiculous.
--tots
--
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to...@ugcs.caltech.edu
Tatsuya Murase
On 19 Nov 1996 21:42:55 GMT, Ddddd Ddddd <Sdf...@cris.com> wrote:
>
>Why are you so persistant in trying to say you can beat me? You can't
>control what you get, Nor can I.. But almost NOBODY prepares for an umbra
>deck. Nobody plays umbra, therefore why prepare a deck of anti umbra? I
I really think the only preparation one really needs against an umbral
strategy is the Incarna Sigil. Gates of Malfeas, etc, are nice, but
not necessary. The Incarna Sigil is more versatile, letting physical
characters swipe away umbra only enemies/victims even if opponents
are not playing any sort of umbral strategy.
>have told you what I have in my deck and you have just listed cards that
>counter my cards, I know what counters my cards.. Im sure you dont have
>the 30000 card you listed to beat me in your deck.. specially all the anti
>umbra stuff.
If I know that I'm not going to be in the Umbra very often (or not at all),
I'll throw in a Gates of Malfeas in my deck. Stuck Sideways was a bread
and butter "gotcha!" card in my play group for a good while. A Closed
Gauntlet or two will slow you down as you try to enter the umbra.
A Bane deck will rock your world with things like Lord of the Realm,
Airt Mastery, and Bane Moonbridge. These things are not all rare cards,
and it is likely you might face them. Hell, *I* have all the cards I
just listed--what makes you think that other people won't have them?
>If I were to play you tomorrow with you not knowing who I was
>I would beat the living shit out of you.
Oh. Ok. Clearly, your logic just rewls.
>If everyone were to tell everyone
>else what they had in their deck before the game, where would the fun be?
Again, your flawed reasoning and lack of rationality leads to such
absurd and ridiculous arguments.
>My point is you wouldnt know what kind of deck I was playing.. You may
>think ill be playing umbra when im really playing a tank deck, or vice
>versa.
What does this have to do with umbral strategies?
Look. The Umbral strategy is a fine one. But like every other strategy
in Rage it *can* be countered--ie: you are not guaranteed to win against
an opponent who has a brain. The crux of countering an umbral strategy
is the incarna sigil (IMO). Being in the Umbra is not the greatest thing
since sliced bread, and yes, intelligent people DO make preparations against
that type of strategy, just like they do against moot decks, pack decks,
and tank decks.
--tots
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to...@ugcs.caltech.edu
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
J8j...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>: One small problem: he, like all other characters, can only have ONE
>: copy of a Gift on him at any time, unless the Gift says otherwise.
>: Back to ONE Aegis and ONE Luna's Armor.
>what the HELL are you talking about? A character may have as many copies
>of a gift as they want, Unless the card says otherwise.. You may have as
>many Aegises or Lunas Armors as you want.. Unless your playing by Limited
>Edition rules.. then you may only have 1 lunas armor.
I'm playing by modern rules. Check out WF&C.
>: And I got three Bane Infestations that let me take your Fetishes, and
>: a similar number of Revilements.
>You cant steal my equip with rite of talisman dedication. which I have 2
>of in my deck incase you get the Vigil rite.
Can't use the rite anyway. Not that that'll stop me from stealing one
or two fetishes before you can perform a rite.
>: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
>Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
>dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
Easy to do, in that case. It's an Event ;>
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>: You equip, I steal before you dedicate. Very simple.
>:
>Why are you so persistant in trying to say you can beat me? You can't
>control what you get, Nor can I.. But almost NOBODY prepares for an umbra
>deck. Nobody plays umbra, therefore why prepare a deck of anti umbra?
Because I play a BANE deck. The Banes control the Umbra like nobody
else.
> I have told you what I have in my deck and you have just listed cards that
>counter my cards, I know what counters my cards.. Im sure you dont have
>the 30000 card you listed to beat me in your deck.. specially all the anti
>umbra stuff. If I were to play you tomorrow with you not knowing who I was
>I would beat the living shit out of you. If everyone were to tell everyone
>else what they had in their deck before the game, where would the fun be?
>My point is you wouldnt know what kind of deck I was playing.. You may
>think ill be playing umbra when im really playing a tank deck, or vice
>versa.
'sokay. The Bane deck works pretty well against tanks. Bane-ridden
Werewolf hunters, don't you know.
Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon
MidC...@earthlink.com (Jason & Angela Bock) wrote:
>Passer is the Man for Taking the Death Blow!!!
You're thinking of Juicy ;>
James Lai
holg...@aol.com wrote:
>In article <56rr6u$f...@herald.concentric.net>, J8j...@cris.com (Ddddd
>Ddddd) writes:
>>: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
>>
>>Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
>>dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
>Um... Gates of Malfeas is an Event.
How about this one? Play with Lamurun and lots of weenie cards that
give you renown like the various Quest cards and Victory parties.
Gates of Malfeas.
Attack an umbral opponent with some kind of spirit (or Rainpuddle)
<<wait>>
Discard a Weaver's Quest to draw back Gates of Malfeas.
<<repeat>>
James Lai
sank...@ix.netcom.com (Chris Campbell) wrote:
>Maybe the rules of the game?
>>A character may have as many copies of a gift as they want, Unless the card
>>says otherwise..
As far as I know, this interpretation is right. Unless a Gift says
otherwise, you can put multiple copies of it on a character. Think
about it for a moment. Why would they place restrictions on the
number of copies of a Gift that can be played on someone if normally
the Gift could be played multiple times? If you could only have one
copy of a Gift on someone at a time, then they wouldn't need to have
the restriction printed on Luna's Armor, would they?
>No, you can't. It's a ruling to reduce cheesiness in general.
>>You may have as many Aegises or Lunas Armors as you want..
>No, you can't.
>>Unless your playing by Limited Edition rules.. then you may only have 1 lunas
>>armor.
>You may only have one copy of each gift (according to tournament rules),
>unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
>>: And I got three Bane Infestations that let me take your Fetishes, and
>>: a similar number of Revilements.
>>
>>You cant steal my equip with rite of talisman dedication. which I have 2
>>of in my deck incase you get the Vigil rite.
>You equip, I steal before you dedicate. Very simple.
>>: And, assuming worst case scenario, I can open Malfeas' Gates...
>>
>>Malfeas Gate only last one round IF you manage to get it out with my
>>dreamspeaker and 3 greater banishments in my deck.
>Gates of Malfeas is an Event. Your dreamspeaker and Banishments will look on
James Lai
>>umbra stuff. If I were to play you tomorrow with you not knowing who I was
>>I would beat the living shit out of you.
That isn't necessarily true. One of my decks is based entirely around
using Lamurun's special ability to cycle cards in and out of my
discard pile. Some of the cards that I cycle a lot are Environmental
Action, Greater Banishment, the Fianna Past Life, and yes, the Gates
of Malfeas. It simply is a good all around deck that is reasonably
capable of dealing with just about any situation it comes across. I
think I could stand a pretty good chance against anyone with this
deck. Or I might use a Homestead on the Incarna Avatar and watch the
fun. These are all good cards that I keep in my deck because they
have uses. Why do you think that anyone would lose?
James Lai
r...@airmail.net (Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon) wrote:
>Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>>: You equip, I steal before you dedicate. Very simple.
>>:
>>Why are you so persistant in trying to say you can beat me? You can't
>>control what you get, Nor can I.. But almost NOBODY prepares for an umbra
>>deck. Nobody plays umbra, therefore why prepare a deck of anti umbra?
>Because I play a BANE deck. The Banes control the Umbra like nobody
>else.
Well... just to be the Devil's Advocate... like nobody else except the
Silent Striders. <g> Shu Horus man... Shu Horus.
James Lai
Sdf...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: You may only have one copy of each gift (according to tournament rules),
>: unless the gift specifically says otherwise (e.g., Wyrm Hide).
>Quoting from the rule book of rage "Some gifts may only be played a
>certain times, but most can be played at any time. EACH GIFT HAS SPECIFIC
>RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHEN IT MAY BE PLAYED." ie) Wyrm Hide says you may
>have more than one, countless others say you may not.. those are the
>specific rules on the card. Go to http://www.white-wolf.com and look at
>the tournament rules. NOTHING about the 1 of any gift per person rule. I
>dont know where the hell your getting this info from.
Sorry everyone, I have to agree on this point. I've never seen the
one Gift per rule and it simply doesn't make sense when you read the
way the cards are printed.
James Lai
Fkas...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Duh.. The whole point of the deck is to stay in the umbra and pump up all
>my guys ridiculously.. I have Mage Talismans for lunas armor. Also I have
>umbral escapes and people like to umbral escape when I umbral escape so we
>both are in the umbra and combat continues. We dont play with any of those
>tribe only events that cant be cancelled ie) ragnarok, harano gloom,
>JOURNEY ONWARD. . They are low blows and cheap as a fuck so we dont play
>with them.
Of course they're low blows. Then again, so is Anna Kliminski using
Spirit of the Fray and her Klaive to deal you an Aggravated Mangle.
You can't take any actions until it's healed, and it's Aggravated. I
have the feeling it'll stay around for awhile.
When you play in a tournament, the idea is to win. I have no problem
with using the Rite of Summoning to force people to attack me when I
have Summer Country and Caern of the Weeping Daughter out. Playing
without the option of the individual tribe screwers is like asking the
Wyrm to play without Mass Pollution.
Ddddd Ddddd
Elmeaux (elm...@iamerica.net) wrote:
: Any how, the main reason I'm writing is that I noticed in an earlier
: post you said you live in N.O. I was wondering where you play as I live
: about an hour away and the only place I've seen anyone play is at BSI
: comics.
Nod, I play at BSI comics on Sundays from 12 - 6.. If you show up ill
always be willing to play ya in rage :) Somtimes when I feel up to it I
run a tournament for like $3.50 and you win a box of Umbra or Unltd
Boosters.. Only somtimes though :), Like when I recieve boxes of rage from
companies I order from.. I just got a case of Unltd for $70 and 2 boxes of
wyrm for $17 a piece so if I dont sell my Unltd Booster Boxes ( Selling
them for $18 a piece Unopened) then ill run a tourney.. Hope to see ya
there :)
Ddddd Ddddd
das...@aol.com wrote:
: prequisites. Besides, do you think White Wold would be stupid enough to
: turn Rheya into a Rage 10, Gnosis 6, Health 12 war machine who's frenzies
: can't be cancelled? I dont' think so. :)
I dunno, The game design leaves somthing to be desired. I mean im ALWAYS
getting in arguments and spats about VERY specific rules.
Elmeaux
Most likely you and I order from the same place. I ordered a case of
Unlt. and a case of Umbra plus a box of starters and have been selling
combos of starter, box o Unlt. and box o Umbra for $15. But then I'm not
in it for profit, just getting new people into the game. I am planning a
trip to N.O. this weekend if I'm off. Maybe we'll play.
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James Lai (syni...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: >>A character may have as many copies of a gift as they want unless the
: >>card says otherwise..
:
: As far as I know, this interpretation is right. Unless a Gift says
: otherwise, you can put multiple copies of it on a character. Think
: about it for a moment. Why would they place restrictions on the
: number of copies of a Gift that can be played on someone if normally
: the Gift could be played multiple times? If you could only have one
: copy of a Gift on someone at a time, then they wouldn't need to have
: the restriction printed on Luna's Armor, would they?
That's what I was trying to say.. I mean they brought up thw Wyrm Hide..
But thats so you dont have > 3 < of them on the guy.. Your limited to 2 of
that specific card.. Numerous other cards say only 1..
Chris Campbell
In article <5710pn$b...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, syni...@worldnet.att.net (James Lai) wrote:
>sank...@ix.netcom.com (Chris Campbell) wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe the rules of the game?
>
>
>As far as I know, this interpretation is right. Unless a Gift says
>otherwise, you can put multiple copies of it on a character. Think
>about it for a moment. Why would they place restrictions on the
>number of copies of a Gift that can be played on someone if normally
>the Gift could be played multiple times? If you could only have one
>copy of a Gift on someone at a time, then they wouldn't need to have
>the restriction printed on Luna's Armor, would they?
It isn't in Unlimited. Look, this is straight from the horse's mouth. E-mail
Justin if you don't believe me.
Chris
Chris Campbell
It's more like asking the Wyrm to play without Renegade Werewolf Hunters,
Priests, Survival Nuts, and Honest Senators. Reasonable requests in friendly
play. Casual play isn't about killer decks (for most of us, anyway); it's
about having fun. House rules against tribal screws are generally agreed to
be very reasonable. Sorry you don't agree. :(
Chris
Chris Campbell
Sensible or not, and whether you agree with it or not, this is the rule that
tournies use. It doesn't make sense in all cases, but it's what we're stuck
with either way.
Chris
Ddddd Ddddd
Matthew Farney (mfa...@cps.udayton.edu) wrote:
: Most Kailindo decks (especially first attempts-mine included)
: have one major flaw. They consist of all of the kailindo guys and
: combat actions. That's a bad idea. Make sure you still have a balance
: of gifts to choose from so that you may adapt. And most importantly,
: put non Kailindo combat cards in your combat deck. A lot of them.
: Otherwise, your opponent will kill every enemy that face because all you
: can do is block/dodge/evade for the zmei. ;) Always stock an entrail
: rend or massive wound. ;)
Ive never had this problem.. I don't really consider myself to use a
'kalindo' deck.. I think that a deck that focuses on any ONE thing like
Kalindo, Tanking, etc is pretty boring <g> My first deck with a kalindo
guy in it has passive aggressions and Redirected attacks in it and my
Stargazer is also my tank (Morhei High Mountain) and he stays in the
umbra.. So sure thats nice that you have an incarna sigil.. I can still
use Redirected Attack.. Not to mention Feints.. Feints save my butt every
time .. Specially when someone is throwing a Cleft in Twain my way and my
stargazer has 10 gnosis heheh.. Nerve Cluster with Spirit of the Fray is
cool too.. You make them rage one before they can do anything.. so if its
not a rage 1 card its a bluff and they are rage 1 for the rest of combat
:) about 1/3 of my deck focuses around Kalindo, 1/3 focuses on the Umbra
and 1/3 focuses on misc stuff like sneak attacks.. It works pretty well
for a 20 renown deck.. took out some poor chump in 4 rounds once by
killing all of his guys He He He
Ramon Starke Baba
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: wyrm for $17 a piece
Would you consider selling Wyrm boxes to me?
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Goodnight young Kenny,
And goodnight to you!
Dennis Battiscombe
>Most likely you and I order from the same place. I ordered a case of
>Unlt. and a case of Umbra plus a box of starters and have been selling
>combos of starter, box o Unlt. and box o Umbra for $15. But then I'm not
>in it for profit, just getting new people into the game. I am planning a
>trip to N.O. this weekend if I'm off. Maybe we'll play.
>--
Would any of you mind telling me how to get the boxes at such a low price? I
live in South Africa and I'm planning to open a card store. I'm sure you know
the type of store, sells cards, singles, etc with gaming tables tournies
arranged, etc. etc. The problem up to now has been that it is way too
expensive for me to get the cards. Honestly, by the time the cards land here
I'm paying around $55 - $60 for a box of Unlim, cost price. At those prices it
is just impossible for me to run a store, but if I were to find a supplier with
decent prices...
Cheers
Petrov
Matthew Farney
zhy...@aol.com wrote:
: <snip>
: > Anyway.. You can only
: >give me a caern if im willing.
: Ok, Stop right here. Allow me to quote the card. Caern Building
: "Select a player to own the caern. If the vote passes, the player
: gains 4 victory ponts. Yada yada yada." By the way, nothing in
: the entire card says ANYTHING about the person who recieves
: it having a choice. If you choose to discard the caern, you lose
: the 4 VP's, but then again, all enemies don't get +2 rage against
: you anymore either. Moving on...
As a note, if the target player has a caern already in play, he
gets to choose whether he keeps the moot caern when it comes into play.
With the obvious loss in points if he decides so. This does not effect
the moot vote.
A couple other Kailindo type observations.
Cool points play:
Play Rite of Chimniage on someone else's Caern of the Snow
Leopard on your Stargazer. :) Die in umbra, make his discard his caern
to heal your character. =)
Another Kailindo note:
Most Kailindo decks (especially first attempts-mine included)
have one major flaw. They consist of all of the kailindo guys and
combat actions. That's a bad idea. Make sure you still have a balance
of gifts to choose from so that you may adapt. And most importantly,
put non Kailindo combat cards in your combat deck. A lot of them.
Otherwise, your opponent will kill every enemy that face because all you
can do is block/dodge/evade for the zmei. ;) Always stock an entrail
rend or massive wound. ;)
-Matt
Soaring Peace Caern Silver Pack Dayton OH
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Tatsuya Murase
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:43:58 GMT, James Lai <syni...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Sorry everyone, I have to agree on this point. I've never seen the
>one Gift per rule and it simply doesn't make sense when you read the
>way the cards are printed.
You mean it makes sense to you that Golgol should be running around with
more health than the Zmei--and, on top of that, regenerate whatever damage
he took? I personally think that's really at the height of cheese.
Look, this has been ruled upon by the White Wolf guys, and someone has
posted that mail here already.
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G67g...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>Ive never had this problem.. I don't really consider myself to use a
>'kalindo' deck.. I think that a deck that focuses on any ONE thing like
>Kalindo, Tanking, etc is pretty boring <g> My first deck with a kalindo
>guy in it has passive aggressions and Redirected attacks in it and my
>Stargazer is also my tank (Morhei High Mountain) and he stays in the
>umbra.. So sure thats nice that you have an incarna sigil.. I can still
>use Redirected Attack.. Not to mention Feints.. Feints save my butt every
Sorry... I believe Redirected Attack only workes against an attack
coming from an Umbral Opponent, not someone using an Incarna Sigil.
>cool too.. You make them rage one before they can do anything.. so if its
>not a rage 1 card its a bluff and they are rage 1 for the rest of combat
>:) about 1/3 of my deck focuses around Kalindo, 1/3 focuses on the Umbra
>and 1/3 focuses on misc stuff like sneak attacks.. It works pretty well
>for a 20 renown deck.. took out some poor chump in 4 rounds once by
>killing all of his guys He He He
One other thing: I think Nerve Cluster, and other cards that do
things like it (Vital Blow, Mangle, etc) take effect at the end of the
current combat round, so if you hit someone with a Nerve Cluster, he
still has the chance to punish you for one round before he's screwed.
Unless, of course, the cards you play with Spirit of the Fray are
enough to kill him.
James Lai
sank...@ix.netcom.com (Chris Campbell) wrote:
>It's more like asking the Wyrm to play without Renegade Werewolf Hunters,
>Priests, Survival Nuts, and Honest Senators. Reasonable requests in friendly
>play. Casual play isn't about killer decks (for most of us, anyway); it's
>about having fun. House rules against tribal screws are generally agreed to
>be very reasonable. Sorry you don't agree. :(
>Chris
No, I fully agree with you. Then again, I wouldn't think of taking my
casual decks into any kind of tournament where I'd get trashed. If I
pay an entry fee to play, I want to get my money's worth.
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: You mean it makes sense to you that Golgol should be running around with
: more health than the Zmei--and, on top of that, regenerate whatever damage
: he took? I personally think that's really at the height of cheese.
Ok lesse Gogol is health 10.. a normal sized sept deck (40 - 50 cards)
would take quite a few rounds for him to get up to 20+ health.. And dude
all it takes is a mangle and its all over. By the time Gogol is 20+ health
your dude will be pretty buffed too.. Its up to you to kill gogol before
your oppnonent has the chance to pump him up.. Its not cheesy.. its your
fault for waiting for gogol to get that high before sneak attacking him..
Now if the sept deck is 25 cards with 2 wyrm skins, a mokole hide, 3 lunas
armors. 3 mages talismans, 3 aegises, 3 shapeshifts and other misc cards,
THAT is cheezy.
Oh yeah and to those people who hate those other people that play those 25
sept decks desined to make you NOT draw anything? Put Seeks-The-Truth in
it.. he lets you draw 2 additional cards as his alpha action
Dddddx Ddddd
Ramon Starke Baba (lord...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: Would you consider selling Wyrm boxes to me?
I bought the last 2 they had and those were for my personal use :) they
went VERY quickly hehe you can get them for $25 from other places on the
net.. just look around.. its there
Dddddx Ddddd
James Lai (syni...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Sorry... I believe Redirected Attack only workes against an attack
: coming from an Umbral Opponent, not someone using an Incarna Sigil.
:
: One other thing: I think Nerve Cluster, and other cards that do
: things like it (Vital Blow, Mangle, etc) take effect at the end of the
: current combat round, so if you hit someone with a Nerve Cluster, he
: still has the chance to punish you for one round before he's screwed.
Redirected Attack says "This card is only playable in the Umbra" .. Morhei
IS in the umbra therefore I can play it, And since were intereacting, It
will hit you.
The second thing.. There has been countless post about when the card
effect takes place.. Imagine if its a real life battle.. someone Hits you
with a nerve cluster FIRST then you try to throw a mangle.. youll be rage
1 before you can do anything.. soon as it hits it takes effect I believe.
I mean what would be the point of spirit of the fray if you couldnt do
cool stuff like that? You wouldnt be able to dodge cause the card effect
"Dodges any 1 attack" takes effect at the end of the round, Any card you
threw with a special effect wouldnt work like mangle or head wound or
anything.. Its very confusing.. Can someone from whitewolf give us a
ruling?
Ddddd Ddddd
Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Mantle of El Dorado works, too, if you get it out.
No it wont.. "The mantle of el dorado lets its plays draw an ADDITIONAL 3
sept cards during the redraw phase".. You dont GET a redraw phase
therefore you cant draw the additional cards. Telemarketing Campaign says
"The pack must skip its next redraw phase" .. the ENTIRE THING.. Seeks the
Truth is like the ONLY way.. The Caern of Awakening wont work either
because you discard your sept hand at the end of the redraw phase and
since you dont get one, You cant do it. Seeks the truth does his redrawing
at the Combat Phase :)
Chris Campbell
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>Tatsuya Murase (to...@ugcs.caltech.edu) wrote:
>: You mean it makes sense to you that Golgol should be running around with
>: more health than the Zmei--and, on top of that, regenerate whatever damage
>: he took? I personally think that's really at the height of cheese.
>
>Ok lesse Gogol is health 10.. a normal sized sept deck (40 - 50 cards)
>would take quite a few rounds for him to get up to 20+ health.. And dude
>all it takes is a mangle and its all over. By the time Gogol is 20+ health
>your dude will be pretty buffed too.. Its up to you to kill gogol before
>your oppnonent has the chance to pump him up.. Its not cheesy.. its your
>fault for waiting for gogol to get that high before sneak attacking him..
>Now if the sept deck is 25 cards with 2 wyrm skins, a mokole hide, 3 lunas
>armors. 3 mages talismans, 3 aegises, 3 shapeshifts and other misc cards,
>THAT is cheezy.
No kidding. Contrary to what you said above, a normal sized sept deck isn't
40-50 cards; it's about 25-35 (in tournies, anyway). The rule of one gifts
per character is a tournament rule, where the above cheesiness would come into
play. That's the only place the rule applies--at tournies. Anywhere else is
governed by house rules.
>Oh yeah and to those people who hate those other people that play those 25
>sept decks desined to make you NOT draw anything? Put Seeks-The-Truth in
>it.. he lets you draw 2 additional cards as his alpha action
Mantle of El Dorado works, too, if you get it out.
Chris
Tatsuya Murase
On 23 Nov 1996 07:43:21 GMT, Dddddx Ddddd <H7...@cris.com> wrote:
>
>Ok lesse Gogol is health 10.. a normal sized sept deck (40 - 50 cards)
>would take quite a few rounds for him to get up to 20+ health..
"+20" is an aphorism. I mean "a shitload of health" when I mean "+20"
>And dude all it takes is a mangle and its all over.
That's not true. Unless your guy frenzies or has a few heartbreakers
or rent asunders (or any other high damage cards), Golgol lives. Combined
with something like Survivor (which needs a mage's talisman), that's really
gross. And with the anti-SLAF/mangle cards in Legacy, Golgol can keep
going while mangled. More health makes him extremely frightening, since
it will take more cards on average to kill him (incl. sept cards).
>Its up to you to kill gogol before
>your oppnonent has the chance to pump him up.. Its not cheesy.. its your
>fault for waiting for gogol to get that high before sneak attacking him..
Uh, ok. Look, I've played apocalypse style games where Golgol channeled
Gunnar Dragurbane on turn ONE, thanks to Pure Breeding. Granted, this
prevented him from using any gifts, but he was still rather difficult to
kill--still, you cannot say fault your opponent for your dumb luck.
>Now if the sept deck is 25 cards with 2 wyrm skins, a mokole hide, 3 lunas
>armors. 3 mages talismans, 3 aegises, 3 shapeshifts and other misc cards,
>THAT is cheezy.
That's exactly my point. If I wanted the indestructible Golgol, I would
throw out everything not related to that purpose and get my deck as
close to the minimum as possible. That leads to approximately 10-20 % of
my sept deck being health boosters like Luna's Armor--if I can just slap
those down without limitation, I also get the added bonus of increasing
cardflow. If I make a deck like this, how is it my opponents' fault for
not "waiting for gogol (sic) to get that high.."?
The question is not whether it's a good thing to have the limit in light
of your casual player with a sept deck of about 40-50, but whether it's
good in a tournament. Just because you think it's fine and dandy to
run around with as much health as a big refinery or a large dragon doesn't
mean it's good for real gameplay.
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In article <577pu8$2...@herald.concentric.net>, Wert...@cris.com (Ddddd Ddddd) wrote:
>
>Chris Campbell (sank...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>No it wont.. "The mantle of el dorado lets its plays draw an ADDITIONAL 3
>sept cards during the redraw phase"..
Read the card. It lets you draw the cards during the Equip/Ally phase.
>You dont GET a redraw phase therefore you cant draw the additional cards.
>Telemarketing Campaign says "The pack must skip its next redraw phase" .. the
>ENTIRE THING.. Seeks the Truth is like the ONLY way..
Bullshit. RTFC.
>The Caern of Awakening wont work either because you discard your sept hand at
>the end of the redraw phase and since you dont get one, You cant do it. Seeks
>the truth does his redrawing at the Combat Phase :)
And the Mantle does it during the Equip/Ally. Read the card before you open
your mouth.
Chris