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facema...@yahoo.com

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:10:31 PM11/7/09
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Some questions....

My l80 shammie does not seem to do DPS comparable to similar shammies.

Base specs (unbuffed, no totems, flasts, etc)

BD 2228
Hit 388 (All from gear)
Crit 27.59
Hast 467

I read in some places that chain lightning should be used against
single targets and other places that it should not. It seems to me
that sometimes chain lighting does more damage than lightning bolt and
in others it does less against single targets. it's hard to get a
scientific comparison.

Any ideas what is better?

Trinkets:

I have this collection of trinkets

Eye of the Broodmother: 87 Crit Each spell gives 25 SP stacking 5
times
Talisman of Volatile Power: Crit 114 USE: Each time you cast 57 hast,
stacks up to 8 for 20 secs.
Ancient Pickled Egg: 98 SP Chance of 505 haste for 10 secs
Sundial of the Exaulted: 84 Crit Chance of 590 SP for 10 sec
Mithril Pocketwatch: 84 Crit chance of 590 SP for 10 secs
Abyssal Rune: 84 Haste chance of 590 SP for 10 secs

It appears to me that the last three give the best DPS even though
they are much lower rated than the top 2. However, I can't really do a
scientific comparison and it is impossible to estimate due to the
randomness of the effects.

Do you take the 98SP up front or go for the chance of 590?

Shiflet

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:41:22 PM11/7/09
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<facema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I read in some places that chain lightning should be used against
> single targets and other places that it should not. It seems to me
> that sometimes chain lighting does more damage than lightning bolt and
> in others it does less against single targets. it's hard to get a
> scientific comparison.
>
> Any ideas what is better?

Based on my research, it sorta depends on your haste. Your rotation should
go Flame Shock if it's not up, then Lava Burst, then LBolt spam till LBurst
is recharged. The key is, if you have enough haste you can possibly get 1
CLightning in before LBurst comes off cooldown, whereas you wouldn't get a
full LBolt cast in.


Polarhound

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:21:16 PM11/7/09
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facema...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I read in some places that chain lightning should be used against
> single targets and other places that it should not. It seems to me
> that sometimes chain lighting does more damage than lightning bolt and
> in others it does less against single targets. it's hard to get a
> scientific comparison.

CL is acceptable as single target dps given the recent buff to Shamanism.

> Any ideas what is better?
>
> Trinkets:
>
> I have this collection of trinkets
>
> Eye of the Broodmother: 87 Crit Each spell gives 25 SP stacking 5
> times

> Abyssal Rune: 84 Haste chance of 590 SP for 10 secs

Use these.

Shiflet

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Nov 7, 2009, 4:22:14 PM11/7/09
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"Polarhound" <polar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> facema...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I read in some places that chain lightning should be used against
>> single targets and other places that it should not. It seems to me
>> that sometimes chain lighting does more damage than lightning bolt and
>> in others it does less against single targets. it's hard to get a
>> scientific comparison.
>
> CL is acceptable as single target dps given the recent buff to Shamanism.

That said, it's still not as much damage or as mana efficient on average as
LBolt.


Polarhound

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:24:33 AM11/8/09
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Damage per time, it is more efficient than LB now.

Manawise, it is not. This is why it must be used only often enough so
that an OOM situation does not occur in a particular fight. Last
someone checked, bonus points are not given for mana left over after a
fight.

The goal is to be as close to use CL enough to be as close to OOM as
possible without actually doing so when the boss dies.

Jamie Kahn Genet

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:21:06 AM11/8/09
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Shiflet <rshi...@charter.net> wrote:

From memory my lightning shammy's rotation goes: Flame Shock, CL, LB,
LB, LB, TS (no Lava Burst with this build, but it can be a useful
addition if you're speced to boost it's damage).

I even use a macro that folds in my Troll's Berserking, Elemental
Mastery, and any trinkets I have. All one click to rotate through using
/castsequence and /cast for non-GCD spells and items. I know it sounds
lazy, but it really helps me focus on the action (especially important
in BGs) and only my Holy DPS priest has a rotation simpler to automate
via macro. Plus I find if I save spells and items on CD I actually end
up not using them 90% of the time. I get far higher average DPS just
automating their use, at the loss of some fine situational control.

Anyway - I find CL well worth casting even on single mobs and I never
run out of mana anyway what with Water Shield, Thunderstorm and
Unrelenting Storm all going.

I'm not the top of the DPS tables with a single target, but with groups
of mobs CL is highly efficient and not running OOM allows me to keep on
keepin' on when others have stopped to drink. I've certainly no
complaints DPS-wise and generally consider winning the fight while not
dying a victory, anyway :-) Everything else is just gravy.

Here is my build if you're curious:
<http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hEc0qcdItGfzVo0xxIo:GbIzVc>
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Shiflet

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:41:59 PM11/8/09
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"Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
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> From memory my lightning shammy's rotation goes: Flame Shock, CL, LB,
> LB, LB, TS (no Lava Burst with this build, but it can be a useful
> addition if you're speced to boost it's damage).

Since LBurst is a guaranteed crit, it's the single highest damage spell you
have even if you don't take all the talents to boost it's damage. Not using
it is massively gimping your DPS.
.


Jamie Kahn Genet

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Nov 8, 2009, 4:09:38 PM11/8/09
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Shiflet <rshi...@charter.net> wrote:

Now that Lava Burst no longer consumes Flame Shock it might be worth
adding it - I'll give it go when I next play him (I've lots of alts I
rotate through). I never wanted to lose my lightning focused glyphs plus
I went to a lot of effort to get lots of crit for CL to deal damage to
groups (more important than single target damage for the BGs I play with
this guy).

Plus outside of PvP it feels like every second mob is bloody fire
resistant, heh.

Also I confess the urge to be different, and I disliked the idea I'd be
forced into one 'best' spell rotation. I think I've made CL a very
capable multi-target spell using heaps of crit and SP :-) Of course now
my excuse of giving up a glyph slot to Glyph of Lava is gone I guess
I'll have to fall into line... :-\

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