Which class does the most DPS with least gear dependence
Tigero
I thought that Mages produce the highest DPS with the least gear
dependency. I was wrong. My mage struggles to reach 2k dps with 2 T7
pieces and a few raid drops with Arcane spec and proper rotation.
Another mage slightly better geared than me wasn't going far as well.
When I first leveled up my mage to 80 I was doing around 900dps (I
know Pathetic) at that point I was mostly in greens and lower level
blues.
To my frustration, I was leveling up my horde hunter. As soon as I hit
74 after leaving the trainer i saw the target Dummies and decided to
see how much DPS I can produce. I targeted the level 70 dummy. To my
anguish I was producing 1.1k dps with mostly quest reward gear and
only one AN foot wear. I was like WTF??!!!... I asked in trade if the
DPS I was producing is normal for my level they said that is a bit
lower than average for my level.
Basically my hunter at level 74 with quest reward gear has higher dps
than my level 80 mage at the point when I had mostly dungeon blues and
cafted items.
So my question is>>>> What other class can produce high dps with low
gear dependency?
I'm planning on leveling up my horde hunter atm. making him my main
Horde, on the same realm I have a 73DK and a 70 Pala.
On my Alliance side i have my mage 80, priest 80, Warlock 73 Druid 72,
Rogue 71 and both a warrior and shammy in their 30s.
I love being DPS, love healing as well and truly hate tanking. So
which class will produce the highest amount of DPS with less gear
dependency?
Lancelet
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> Greetings,
Hello
> I thought that Mages produce the highest DPS with the least gear
> dependency. I was wrong. My mage struggles to reach 2k dps with 2 T7
> pieces and a few raid drops with Arcane spec and proper rotation.
> Another mage slightly better geared than me wasn't going far as well.
>
> When I first leveled up my mage to 80 I was doing around 900dps (I
> know Pathetic) at that point I was mostly in greens and lower level
> blues.
>
> To my frustration, I was leveling up my horde hunter. As soon as I hit
> 74 after leaving the trainer i saw the target Dummies and decided to
> see how much DPS I can produce. I targeted the level 70 dummy. To my
> anguish I was producing 1.1k dps with mostly quest reward gear and
> only one AN foot wear. I was like WTF??!!!... I asked in trade if the
> DPS I was producing is normal for my level they said that is a bit
> lower than average for my level.
>
> Basically my hunter at level 74 with quest reward gear has higher dps
> than my level 80 mage at the point when I had mostly dungeon blues and
> cafted items.
Maybe your test is flawed? You compare the DPS of a 74 hunter shooting a
70 dummy. I don't know how the dummy really works, but it looks like your
hunter had a boost of dps because of the level difference with the dummy.
What was your 80 mage targetting while you calculated his DPS?
> I love being DPS, love healing as well and truly hate tanking. So
> which class will produce the highest amount of DPS with less gear
> dependency?
I have no idea. But I'm not sure that being less dependant from gear is a
good thing. That means that you don't need uber gear the shine, but that
can also mean that your dps wont improve much with better gear?
I will add I don't like to be a DPS. I rather like to tank, because when
I see a dps meter, I have an excuse to be last on it :)
Tigero
> 70 dummy. I don't know how the dummy really works, but it looks like your
> hunter had a boost of dps because of the level difference with the dummy.
> What was your 80 mage targetting while you calculated his DPS?
For my understanding the level difference affect the chance of hit...
As for my mage it was on the heroic something dummy (the big one).
>
> > I love being DPS, love healing as well and truly hate tanking. So
> > which class will produce the highest amount of DPS with less gear
> > dependency?
>
> I have no idea. But I'm not sure that being less dependant from gear is a
> good thing. That means that you don't need uber gear the shine, but that
> can also mean that your dps wont improve much with better gear?
Less gear dependancy means i can be more effective in dps even when
I'm not well geared. I'm not very lucky in drops. In fact with my mage
with the last 4 naxx runs the only usable tokens i recieved were for
the T7 chest which I already have the gloves I had from badges. Most
drops I see in Naxx, VOA, OS, EOE are useless for me.. Its clearly my
luck as the drop list I see in atlasloot shows the good stuff that
don't drop for me.
> I will add I don't like to be a DPS. I rather like to tank, because when
> I see a dps meter, I have an excuse to be last on it :)
the main reason for seeking a better dps class is to see myself at
least a few ranks above even in the situation where my luck fails and
I remain undergeared
Shammy
"Tigero" <boai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Maybe your test is flawed? You compare the DPS of a 74 hunter shooting a
>> 70 dummy. I don't know how the dummy really works, but it looks like your
>> hunter had a boost of dps because of the level difference with the dummy.
>> What was your 80 mage targetting while you calculated his DPS?
>
> For my understanding the level difference affect the chance of hit...
> As for my mage it was on the heroic something dummy (the big one).
>
The big dummy with the skull is equal to a boss and he counts as lvl 83, for
him you need around 17% + hit, you cant compare that to hitting a lvl 70
dummy with a 74 hunter as the lower lvl dummy will allow for the hunter not
to miss at all (or almost) and increased crit.
That said I think from all my chars the mage is doing least dps of all and
it's really hard to keep up... I found him really gear dependant a lot more
than my other chars. My DK was doing a lot better dps with worse gear, ret
pallys can also do a lot of dmg with not too good gear.
Warrior is the most gear dependant class in wow but I think mages are pretty
close to them for some reason. I noticed an elemental shaman can do some
good dps with bad gear, my shammy with 800 SP + selfbuffs (1050 SP) at lvl
77 was doing constant 1700 dps on a dummy and lasted with mana for 400k dmg
before going oom, my mage had a hard time to do that with 1500 SP at lvl 80
with all lvl 80 blues.
Kilgaard
Hitting a lower level target gives you a higher chance to hit and a
higher chance to crit. Hitting a target 4 levels below you will always
give impressive dps readings. Most of the challenge of boss fights is
that they are 3 levels above you, and hence you have a big miss change
to overcome.
>
>> I love being DPS, love healing as well and truly hate tanking. So
>> which class will produce the highest amount of DPS with less gear
>> dependency?
>
> I have no idea. But I'm not sure that being less dependant from gear is a
> good thing. That means that you don't need uber gear the shine, but that
> can also mean that your dps wont improve much with better gear?
>
> I will add I don't like to be a DPS. I rather like to tank, because when
> I see a dps meter, I have an excuse to be last on it :)
But it's really embarrassing when you are *not* last on the dps table.
The number of heroic instances I have tanked and come out first or
second on the dps table is amazing. And the funny bit is that it's
normally the sub-par dps toons that want to post the dps charts.
Catriona R
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:53:18 +1000, Kilgaard <Kilg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>But it's really embarrassing when you are *not* last on the dps table.
>The number of heroic instances I have tanked and come out first or
>second on the dps table is amazing. And the funny bit is that it's
>normally the sub-par dps toons that want to post the dps charts.
Lol yeah I've been 1st or 2nd a few times on my bear, understandable in
a low-geared alts run, not so much when I was regularly outdamaging a
mage *main* in my old guild... not a brilliantly geared one (all blues
though) but this mage was joining our Naxx runs occasionally.
Was amusing the time I was 2nd in a timed CoS run - in fact we all
considered it an acheivement that we actually got the timed run done,
since our *only* dps-specced character was a rogue (albeit a very good
one), the rest of us were 2 bear-spec/gear druids and a prot paladin; I
was tanking so lots of rage meant I came out on top in the low-dps race
between the tanks lol.
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ASKF
I guess you don't have a shadow priest?
They always end up low on the dps charts, unless it's in 25 mans and
they use mind sear all the time on trash. They have the highest aoe dps,
but the lowest single target dps.
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Brian C
> dependency. I was wrong. My mage struggles to reach 2k dps with 2 T7
> pieces and a few raid drops with Arcane spec and proper rotation.
> Another mage slightly better geared than me wasn't going far as well.
Mages are highly gear dependent, especially arcane mages. Try frostfire bolt
for more DPS at your gear level. On the flip side, mages do well when geared
well. I only do 25-man raiding anymore, but I'm consistently one of the
highest DPSers and almost always the highest caster-class DPS.
Chuck
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My shadowpriest is my main and dps isn't that much of an issue. Of
course I'm not running ultra progressive 25 man hard modes but i'm
respectable in our little 10 man group. The difference is I have to
be on my toes to be #2 dps while other dps can spam 1 or 2 buttons.
Our arms warrior/feral cat are almost always on top but they
complement each other well with buffs etc while we are not maxamized
for caster dps, ie our arcane mage gives focus magic to pally healer,
lock is aff rather than demo, no boomkin, and we just recently have
been cycling in an elemental shammy. Swap the feral out for a
laserchicken and I'm typically at or near the top. -5% crit for war
and +5% crit to me closes the gap.
ASKF
<799fa968-02ac-4dbd...@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> med
dette:
In 10man Naxx I'm usually on top untill the first boss, then the other
dps passes me, then I climb back up near the top when we reach the next
boss, and so it keeps going. It's a bit different if we have some fresh
alts with us, who have to be geared up, those I have no problems out
dps'ing.
The longer the boss fights takes, the lower my over all dps will be. I
only have ilvl 200-213 gear, but can out dps an ilvl 226+ geared Hunter
on trash.
It's actually a bit hard for me to tell where I really is laying on the
dps scale, because I normally handle the decursing at the dance boss and
are put in the back healing myself at the 4 horsemen, plus I help
emergency heal when ever needed.
Insane Ranter
> Chuck ytrede sig i
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I have to say DK you can hit random buttons on a fresh 80 in leveling
blues and greens and hit 3k dps easy
Steve Kaye
> blues and greens and hit 3k dps easy
That's not true at all. My Blood specced DK got about 1.8k DPS after
some gearing at level 80.
steve.kaye
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Insane Ranter
It twas a joke.. Had to pick on the DKs sometime =)
ASKF
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dette:
>It twas a joke.. Had to pick on the DKs sometime =)
Really thought you were serious, because I've been told that DKs can
solo all old world content when they leave the starting area, including
the 40 man raid instances.
Shammy
> Really thought you were serious, because I've been told that DKs can
> solo all old world content when they leave the starting area, including
> the 40 man raid instances.
> --
Well not at lvl 58 but at lvl 80 with a half blue half epic tank set I
soloed most of ZG including hakkar and onyxia.
ASKF
A lvl 80 paladin can do the same, with Tier7-8 I believe it's still
needed to bring a healer for MC and AQ20.
Catriona R
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:55:20 +0200, ASKF <nos...@askf.dk> wrote:
>Shammy ytrede sig i <7cnnvnF...@mid.individual.net> med dette:
>
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>>> Really thought you were serious, because I've been told that DKs can
>>> solo all old world content when they leave the starting area, including
>>> the 40 man raid instances.
>>> --
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>>Well not at lvl 58 but at lvl 80 with a half blue half epic tank set I
>>soloed most of ZG including hakkar and onyxia.
>
>A lvl 80 paladin can do the same, with Tier7-8 I believe it's still
>needed to bring a healer for MC and AQ20.
80 druid is the same, haven't tried ZG myself but watched a friend solo
Hakkar after we found duoing doesn't work (mind control every few
seconds = argh), and I soloed Onyxia last night, no trouble (well, air
phase is nasty but other than that it's easy)
the_o...@nowhere.com
I do a fair amount of VoA 25m and I've never seen a priest anywhere
near the top of the dps chart at all. Same thing in BG's. I have
seen mages, warlocks, hunters and occ a druid.
the_o...@nowhere.com
What spec would the frostfire be and what talent points would be
better to take. Its all in the talent points.
thanks
Rob Wynne
>>I guess you don't have a shadow priest?
>>
>>They always end up low on the dps charts, unless it's in 25 mans and
>>they use mind sear all the time on trash. They have the highest aoe dps,
>>but the lowest single target dps.
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> I do a fair amount of VoA 25m and I've never seen a priest anywhere
> near the top of the dps chart at all. Same thing in BG's. I have
> seen mages, warlocks, hunters and occ a druid.
>
A well played shadow priest can rock the meters, but it requires them to be
really on top of their game. We hae two excellent shadow priests on our
guild raid team, and they frequently do well.
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Catriona R
VoA doesn't have any really aoe trash though so not too surprising - I'd
assume naxx is a different story. The comment was about shadowpriest
being good at aoeing ;-)
Brian C
> better to take. Its all in the talent points.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#oZfVc0RhIhVubhctbIccoc:LIik
You can throw the 2 extra points in flame throwing or something else.
Mike Gaskins
level), but in a good direct damage fight that doesn't require tons of
movement (Emalon or Iron Council are good mage fights) I can pull
close to 5k DPS. The only two classes that typically beat me (and
it's usually only two particular players of that class, not all in the
raid) are warlock and rogue. There's a balance druid that raids with
us that hangs pretty high up there too but I'm usually above her.
Sometimes a DK will come up pretty high. Warriors, Pallies, Feral
Druids, Hunters, and Shadow Priests never even come close.
Mage though, opposite of what you posited, actually is a fairly gear
dependent class. I'll also say that though I've seen it made to work,
I'm not a huge fan of Arcane. The rotation is far too complex for my
tastes. IMHO, go FFB at your level of gear, then once you're in full
T7.5 and heading into Ulduar look into swapping your gems to hitcap
without talents and then go FB/TotW.
Mike
Brian C
> dependent class. I'll also say that though I've seen it made to work,
> I'm not a huge fan of Arcane. The rotation is far too complex for my
> tastes. IMHO, go FFB at your level of gear, then once you're in full
> T7.5 and heading into Ulduar look into swapping your gems to hitcap
> without talents and then go FB/TotW.
Your posts reminds of one of my big gripes with the new gear, "what is up
with all the damn hit rating?" I constantly pass on loot that has a billion
hit rating because I'm already capped -- enough already; let's have some
gear with points allocated to SP and crit/haste!