What Frost Emblem items to get???
Cryptoengineer
guild. I've been saving my Frost Emblems for some time; my plan has
been to get the Ashen Verdict vendor T10 items once I had enough for
the head and shoulder pieces (the LightSworn Garb 2-item bonus for the
healer is pretty sweet). That takes 160 FEs, and I'm almost there.
These are ilvl 251 items, upgradable with tokens from ICC bosses to
264 then 277. (I already have the ilvl 264 belt and cape).
But... I could also spend the FEs on ilvl 264 non-set items from the
regular vender in Dal, and hope for drops in ICC 25 to get up to 277,
(at the moment, we're still on ICC 10 only). I don't know that the
upgrade tokens are going to drop at a higher rate than the 277 items,
and while waiting for the 251->264 tokens, I'd be undergeared compared
to what I could have bought.
Any thoughts? I'm still considering the AV items, but am having doubts
about the wisdom of that choice.
pt
John Gordon
> Any thoughts? I'm still considering the AV items, but am having doubts
> about the wisdom of that choice.
I bought a cloak and the Purified Lunar Dust trinket first, because my
existing cloak and trinket were showing their age (Ulduar 10).
What are your lowet-level items?
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gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
ti...@thsu.org
> Any thoughts? I'm still considering the AV items, but am having doubts
> about the wisdom of that choice.
For my druid, my first purchase was the feral 4 piece T10, minus the
legs, as the 4 set bonus is a 700 dps upgrade, all by itself. My next
purchase was the cloak, as that's effectively best in slot (it's
actually second best, not counting heroic items, but the difference is
so minor).
I would use some tool like Rawr to check what's out there, that you
can upgrade, before you spend your badges. According to Rawr, I'm at
the point where it is better for me to wait on drops than to spend
emblems for my feral spec. That is, all other emblem items for my
feral set are now equal to or worse than the drops I can obtain from
bosses that we currently kill. Thus, I'm now saving up emblems for my
resto set.
The holy pallies in my guild went for 2 piece T10 (head and shoulders)
plus the cloak, and are now waiting for drops for everything else.
--
// T.Hsu
neithskye
I really wanted the tier gear for my tank spec, but my belt was still
ilvl 226 and my cloak was still ilvl 213, so I bought the belt and
cloak first.
I'd do the same for your Holy set. What is the item that most needs
improving? For Holy, I got the cloak first. As it's my OS, I'm not
allowed to roll for things like amulets, rings and cloaks, and there
are no other emblem cloaks past the ilvl 213 one.
Anyway, I'd get the thing that is the biggest upgrade first. Then look
for upgrades to your other gear, see where they drop, determine how
likely you are to get them, and base further purchase decisions on
that. I'd also perhaps look at crafted gear. I have the Sunforged
Breastplate, so my chespiece is likely one of the last things I'll
replace.
Additionallly, is there any way you can do a weekly 25-man VoA? I did
one last night and was lucky enough to get the ilvl 264 Sanctified
Lightsworn Holy gloves. Plus it's more Frost emblems. So while you're
waiting to decide what to buy, you may as well try your luck at 25-man
VoA. Who knows? Something might drop and save you a ton of emblems.
--
Jill
Cryptoengineer
wrote:
Good idea about VoA 25. Currently, the lowest item I'm looking to
replace is a 213 shield, (I have a 200 Libram, but many consider that
BiS). There are no vendor or crafted shields at this level, so I have
to look for a drop (PoS has one).
My chest and gloves are at 226, and I'll have to check Rawr about what
to replace. There's a nice crafted 245 chest that I might go for
(expensive, but what the heck) They got a bit neglected since I was
initially thinking of using my FEs there, but later learned that
replacing the head and shoulders was considered better.
More likely, I'll be saving more FEs after I get the head and
shoulders to upgrade other gear. The only other non-drop upgrades are
things like Turalyon's stuff, which isn't much of a step up.
pt
BombayMix
Didn't say char/spec you are but for dps casters the non tier chest is
better then the T10 stuff (Atleast with 10 man not sure about 25). The
gloves are pretty good but if you get both you won't get the 4 piece
set bonus.
Cryptoengineer
Holy Paladin - a healer.
The 2T10 bonus is good, the 4T10 not so much.
pt
BombayMix
Got one of those too. I went for T10 head first, as my old was ilvl
200. Next be chest or shoulders. Meaning I'll have both 2 piece bonus
on T9 and T10. Then probably get non tier gear.
neithskye
> Good idea about VoA 25. Currently, the lowest item I'm looking to
> replace is a 213 shield, (I have a 200 Libram, but many consider that
> BiS). There are no vendor or crafted shields at this level, so I have
> to look for a drop (PoS has one).
Yup, I use that Libram, too - the one that reduces the mana cost of
Holy Light. I could buy the Frost one and improve my GearScore
dramatically, but IMO that Libram is junk. This is why I dislike
GearScore. :P
Shields. *sigh* Kind of a shame there are no emblem ones, as they seem
to be kinda rare (understandable since so few specs use spellpower
shields, but still). There is only one spellpower shield total that
drops in ICC (Sindragosa). (On the other hand, you can enchant a
shield, but not an offhand, which never made sense to me.)
There aren't many options. The Protector of Frigid Souls from normal
Scourgelord Tyrannus, the The Pulsing Spellshield from XT in Ulduar,
Pride of the Kor'kron from Anub'arak in ToC (I guess for you it's the
Vigilant Ward), others from 25-mans, hard modes and PvP.
Hmm, doing a search, I only came up with 34 items, and some are the
same item, just Horde and Alliance version.
http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.6&filter=minrl=80;maxrl=82;cr=123;crs=1;crv=0
--
Jill
Catriona R
>Shields. *sigh* Kind of a shame there are no emblem ones, as they seem
>to be kinda rare (understandable since so few specs use spellpower
>shields, but still). There is only one spellpower shield total that
>drops in ICC (Sindragosa). (On the other hand, you can enchant a
>shield, but not an offhand, which never made sense to me.)
Spellpower shields, argh. My elemental shaman was having a look and
*every* non-raid shield I can see has mp5 on it. Sigh. If it wasn't
for the enchanting possibilities I'd go with an offhand... um,
actually scrub that, since those don't really exist outside raids
either, my priest still uses the ilvl 200 badge reward I've had since
about 2 weeks into WotLK, only upgrade I can see is heroic HoR, the
hardest place to heal in the game so not one I'm in a massive hurry to
farm much... suppose I can't complain too much since I get nice gear
in most slots without raiding but offhand and trinkets are a nightmare
for me :-/
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Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
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Ruire (70 Blood Elf Paladin)
Thomas H
> suppose I can't complain too much since I get nice gear
> in most slots without raiding but offhand and trinkets are a nightmare
> for me :-/
Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
for 60 Frost's.
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Bulgaroth (Hunter), Latigo (DK), Darkhulk (Druid), and Smallwall
(Paladin) on Argent Dawn EU.
Catriona R
>On 8-3-2010 20:10, Catriona R wrote:
>> suppose I can't complain too much since I get nice gear
>> in most slots without raiding but offhand and trinkets are a nightmare
>> for me :-/
>
>Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
>for 60 Frost's.
The 50 Triumph one is TERRIBLE. Absolutely useless to a holy priest.
Granted it's good for paladins I guess, since they gem for int anyway
but for me it's just worthless really, my ilvl 200 ones are far far
better. A spellpower on use is just awful really, since when I really
need it I'll be too busy casting heals to activate it, and if I just
macro it to a heal all it'll achieve is giving me bigger overheals
when I don't need it... if it was attached to a decent equip bonus
then it'd be fair enough but since I don't raid (so can't rely on
replenishment) int is vastly inferior to spirit for me and flat
spellpower kinda beats both.
The frost badges one is good, fair enough, but... those aren't so easy
to come by if you don't raid. I'm only going to get my first frost
badges item later this week (the cloak) so that's at least 2 months
away, if I do the daily every day (which I don't, since I'm away for
long weekends every 2nd weekend, in reality it's gonna take 3 months
minimum)
Catriona R
On 09 Mar 2010 11:28:31 GMT, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <7vmpec...@mid.individual.net>
> Catriona <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:19:35 +0100, Thomas H
>> <T123remove4...@techemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>On 8-3-2010 20:10, Catriona R wrote:
>>>> suppose I can't complain too much since I get nice gear
>>>> in most slots without raiding but offhand and trinkets are a nightmare
>>>> for me :-/
>>>
>>>Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
>>>for 60 Frost's.
>
>> The 50 Triumph one is TERRIBLE. Absolutely useless to a holy priest.
>
>I think boht the triumph and frost trinkets suck rocks. I can trade
>Mirror of Truth with 1000AP on proc and a pissload of crit for 1024AP on
>proc and nearly 5% HIT on my hunter. My hunter is already over the hit
>cap.
>
>So, i still have iLvl 200 trinkets even though everything else is
>232-264.
Yeah, the hit ones are probably handy if you're newly gearing up and
struggling to reach it *and* intend to raid but I won't be using it on
my shaman either, since I don't plan to raid at all with her, so why
stack hit beyond the 3% (with talents) I need for heroic bosses?
Although I might use the int/spellpower on use one for her I guess,
macroing that to some damage spells is a bonus since it'll usually be
up at useful times... doesn't work so well doing that as a healer so I
prefer to get proc-based trinkets (preferably mana regen) for my
priest, or just plain flat equip bonuses that are really useful. Wtb
upgrades to the JC trinkets, I always prefer to use one of those but a
ilvl 200 blue is a touch dated now.
>> The frost badges one is good, fair enough, but... those aren't so easy
>> to come by if you don't raid. I'm only going to get my first frost
>> badges item later this week (the cloak) so that's at least 2 months
>> away, if I do the daily every day (which I don't, since I'm away for
>> long weekends every 2nd weekend, in reality it's gonna take 3 months
>> minimum)
>
>The weekly raid is usually pretty damn easy (expect EoE which is still
>hard to pug), and it gives you 5. Also, VOA is easy on 10 and 25, and
>there's another 4.
Ah but you need a certain gearscore to be able to get into those most
of the time. And being shy I really don't like trying group after
group after group before one finally lets me in. Just not worth the
hassle for me; I don't enjoy raiding anyway unless it's with a group
of friends and I don't have such a group active at present so I rather
stick with 5-mans.
Urbin
> On 09 Mar 2010 11:28:31 GMT, Lewis wrote:
> > Catriona R wrote:
> priest, or just plain flat equip bonuses that are really useful. Wtb
> upgrades to the JC trinkets, I always prefer to use one of those but a
> ilvl 200 blue is a touch dated now.
>
> >> The frost badges one is good, fair enough, but... those aren't so easy
> >> to come by if you don't raid. I'm only going to get my first frost
> >> badges item later this week (the cloak) so that's at least 2 months
> >> away, if I do the daily every day (which I don't, since I'm away for
> >> long weekends every 2nd weekend, in reality it's gonna take 3 months
> >> minimum)
> >
> >The weekly raid is usually pretty damn easy (expect EoE which is still
> >hard to pug), and it gives you 5. Also, VOA is easy on 10 and 25, and
> >there's another 4.
>
> Ah but you need a certain gearscore to be able to get into those most
> of the time. And being shy I really don't like trying group after
> group after group before one finally lets me in. Just not worth the
> hassle for me; I don't enjoy raiding anyway unless it's with a group
> of friends and I don't have such a group active at present so I rather
> stick with 5-mans.
I don't know about VoA but the weekly raid is fairly easy to PUG depending
on which one it is. One of the Naxx quests is downing the first boss of a
wing, it takes all of 10 minutes in PUGs on my realm and these are easy to
get into at least at the start of the week. Others are harder to get into
(and I certainly haven't tried for the Marrowgar one).
Cheers
Urbin
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Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Greeta (46), Dwarven Rogue
Catriona R
I'll admit I've never tried but all I ever see is "link ach/gs" or
requires some high number gearscore, blah blah. So I just ignore it,
don't even know what my gearscore is! That and I've never done most of
the instances involved and don't want to be a drag on the group by not
knowing exactly what to expect.
IYM
I was a little hesitant about raids too as I have only been playing
since Thanksgiving. I turned lvl 80 on Valentines day and now have
gotten my 232 4 pc set, with a bunch of items reanging from lvl 200
through 264, so my in game gearscore is just over 4500. The naxx one
last week was my first and did it with my guild and was surprised that
it wasn't so hard...I was expecting worse. To me, with a group of 10 it
was no more difficult than maybe the end boss on a 5 man heroic? Last
night I signed up for my guild's 10 man Monday night raid and I'm not
even sure where it was, but I had a blast! (For those in the know, I
just know we fought a dragon "Razorback?" and you had to launch turrets
and chain him to the ground occasionally, deal a ton of dps then switch
back to adds all before he enrages - wherever that was) But no wipes,
and we only lost 1 warrior near the end....Was great fun! I'm the same
as you initially about the shyness in groups, (but that's what guilds
are for I guess) but you shouldn't let that deter you from trying it out.
Catriona R
On 09 Mar 2010 12:44:17 GMT, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <7vmti0...@mid.individual.net>
> Catriona <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'll admit I've never tried but all I ever see is "link ach/gs" or
>> requires some high number gearscore, blah blah. So I just ignore it,
>> don't even know what my gearscore is! That and I've never done most of
>> the instances involved and don't want to be a drag on the group by not
>> knowing exactly what to expect.
>
>I have a high gearscore (5500ish) and I pretty much ignore those people.
>Anyone focusing on GS/Ach exclusively is probably wasting my time.
>
>I recall on raid leader claiming a minimum of 5K DPS was needed for
>Malygos, which is absurd. Half the fight DPS is completley irrelevant,
>and the first time I did it none of our DPSers were over 2K.
>
>A lot of people are just elitist assholes.
Agree completely, unfortunately pretty much every group I see demands
it. I've always thought focusing on gear is stupid, before gearscore
it was particular stats, and the groups doing this always wanted you
to have higher level gear than dropped in the instance you were
grouping for... TBC days it was 1800 +heal needed for Kara; this
wasn't possible without running 25-man raids, until the *very* late
days when pvp gear got good enough and the BT level badge gear became
available (which took forever to get the badges for when you were "too
low" gear to get into Kara farm runs)
I've no objection to people wanting gear *good enough* for the job, ie
not all greens for Naxx, and at least mainly ilvl 200 epics for
Ulduar+, but most groups take it to extremes and so I've given up;
it's not worth the hassle.
Cryptoengineer
>
>
> I'll admit I've never tried but all I ever see is "link ach/gs" or
> requires some high number gearscore, blah blah. So I just ignore it,
> don't even know what my gearscore is! That and I've never done most of
> the instances involved and don't want to be a drag on the group by not
> knowing exactly what to expect.
Gearscore, for better or worse, isn't going away anytime soon. And
yes, some people are total jerks about it. But your toons don't look
too bad.
As others point out, raiding can be a blast. It can also be a crying
PITA if your pug is poorly composed and led. One thing that *really*
helps is having vent, even if only to listen. Pugs work fine in the
easier raids.
There are two main 'gearscore' numbers you'll hear. One is from the
'gearscore' addon, and will generally give numbers in the 3000-6000
range, and the other is from the site www.wow-heroes.com, and
generally gives numbers from 0-3000. (yes, its confusing). The WH
number takes into account gems and enchants, which the GS number does
not. I personally consider the GS number a much cruder measure, but
its available in-game. WH also suggests the difficulty level of
various raids for your toon.
> EU-Draenor:
> Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
2513
> Tairbh (80 Tauren Druid)
2164
> Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
1894
For comparison, my main Vamoose (Misha-US) has a WH number of 2856.
He's a fairly well-geared raider, working on the second wing of ICC
10, and the first wing of ICC 25.
Sagart is definitely ready to raid, even up to ICC 10. Tairbh can do
some of the easier and mid-level raids. Buinne could handle an easy
one, but could spend time running heroics to get the badges for 226
gear. One thing people *will* notice is that you've gone to the
trouble to gem and enchant your gear.
At very least, when one of the easier raids comes up as the weekly,
give it a shot. (Obsidian Sanctum is a personal favorite) There are a
*lot* of pugs working those, and they include many people who don't
raid much, and are less picky about gear score.
I'm not suggesting that you should join a hardcore raiding guild. But
your top characters are appropriately geared for casual raiding. Its
something to try.
pt
Catriona R
>On Mar 9, 7:34�am, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll admit I've never tried but all I ever see is "link ach/gs" or
>> requires some high number gearscore, blah blah. So I just ignore it,
>> don't even know what my gearscore is! That and I've never done most of
>> the instances involved and don't want to be a drag on the group by not
>> knowing exactly what to expect.
>
>Gearscore, for better or worse, isn't going away anytime soon. And
>yes, some people are total jerks about it. But your toons don't look
>too bad.
>
>As others point out, raiding can be a blast. It can also be a crying
>PITA if your pug is poorly composed and led. One thing that *really*
>helps is having vent, even if only to listen. Pugs work fine in the
>easier raids.
Yeah I've done some casual raiding in the past, it's not massively fun
to me since I'm not a very social person and always feel under
pressure, especially since there's always a lot of elitist types
around.
>There are two main 'gearscore' numbers you'll hear. One is from the
>'gearscore' addon, and will generally give numbers in the 3000-6000
>range, and the other is from the site www.wow-heroes.com, and
>generally gives numbers from 0-3000. (yes, its confusing). The WH
>number takes into account gems and enchants, which the GS number does
>not. I personally consider the GS number a much cruder measure, but
>its available in-game. WH also suggests the difficulty level of
>various raids for your toon.
>
>> EU-Draenor:
>> Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
> 2513
>> Tairbh (80 Tauren Druid)
> 2164
>> Buinne (80 Troll Shaman)
> 1894
>
>For comparison, my main Vamoose (Misha-US) has a WH number of 2856.
>He's a fairly well-geared raider, working on the second wing of ICC
>10, and the first wing of ICC 25.
>
>Sagart is definitely ready to raid, even up to ICC 10. Tairbh can do
>some of the easier and mid-level raids. Buinne could handle an easy
>one, but could spend time running heroics to get the badges for 226
>gear. One thing people *will* notice is that you've gone to the
>trouble to gem and enchant your gear.
Yep I thought I was probably around that - Tairbh has done Naxx-10
with my old guild, Sagart did all pre-Ulduar content in same guild
(would've done Ulduar but the guild folded a week before the patch it
came out in). I make a point of gearing and gemming/enchanting my gear
to the best quality I can (only reason for the not top-end enchant on
Sagart's weapon right now is it only dropped last week and I'm on the
Quel'Delar chain so will replace it soon); even if I don't have much
ambitions to raid, if a pug comes up that interests me, I want to be
ready for it. It's also quite satisfying having good gear, not up to
maximum raid standards, sure, but as good as is possible with the
content I experience.
>At very least, when one of the easier raids comes up as the weekly,
>give it a shot. (Obsidian Sanctum is a personal favorite) There are a
>*lot* of pugs working those, and they include many people who don't
>raid much, and are less picky about gear score.
Didn't actually realise Obsidian Sanctum was a possible one on that.
it's usually bosses I've never seen before that I hear people shouting
for, so I don't really look further. May give it a try if one that I
actually know comes up then!
>I'm not suggesting that you should join a hardcore raiding guild. But
>your top characters are appropriately geared for casual raiding. Its
>something to try.
I've tried before and it's not especially my thing, but it can be fun
if I'm in the mood for it, yeah. Problem is I still won't satisfy the
elitists and it's those that seem to be leading most groups I see - I
have enough trouble getting into VoA... :-/
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Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Cryptoengineer
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:28:19 -0800 (PST), Cryptoengineer
> >At very least, when one of the easier raids comes up as the weekly,
> >give it a shot. (Obsidian Sanctum is a personal favorite) There are a
> >*lot* of pugs working those, and they include many people who don't
> >raid much, and are less picky about gear score.
>
> Didn't actually realise Obsidian Sanctum was a possible one on that.
> it's usually bosses I've never seen before that I hear people shouting
> for, so I don't really look further. May give it a try if one that I
> actually know comes up then!
OS is fun, and one of the easier ones. I also find it annoying that
many people refer to raids by the name of the boss; I often have to
look them up. At least with the weekly, your quest log will tell you
where it is.
> >I'm not suggesting that you should join a hardcore raiding guild. But
> >your top characters are appropriately geared for casual raiding. Its
> >something to try.
>
> I've tried before and it's not especially my thing, but it can be fun
> if I'm in the mood for it, yeah. Problem is I still won't satisfy the
> elitists and it's those that seem to be leading most groups I see - I
> have enough trouble getting into VoA... :-/
The weeklies have the advantage that a lot of less hardcore people run
them. Especially near the end of the period, you won't see much
elitist jerk behaviour - people want to fill the raid and get their
badges.
pt
Catriona R
>On Mar 9, 10:43�am, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:28:19 -0800 (PST), Cryptoengineer
>> >I'm not suggesting that you should join a hardcore raiding guild. But
>> >your top characters are appropriately geared for casual raiding. Its
>> >something to try.
>>
>> I've tried before and it's not especially my thing, but it can be fun
>> if I'm in the mood for it, yeah. Problem is I still won't satisfy the
>> elitists and it's those that seem to be leading most groups I see - I
>> have enough trouble getting into VoA... :-/
>
>The weeklies have the advantage that a lot of less hardcore people run
>them. Especially near the end of the period, you won't see much
>elitist jerk behaviour - people want to fill the raid and get their
>badges.
Well I'll take a look anyway, whenever I've noticed people shouting
for it it's all "link gs" etc but I'll admit I've not paid much
attention so perhaps it'll be alright. Won't try on my alts unless
it's OS (that one's easymode at least) but Sagart can use some more
badges for sure, it's pretty hard getting them at a rate of 2 per day
and not even able to do that much a lot of the time.
Shiflet
"Catriona R" <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7vnehv...@mid.individual.net...
> Well I'll take a look anyway, whenever I've noticed people shouting
> for it it's all "link gs" etc
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but is it perhaps possible that
you're making it a self-fulfilling prophecy here? You say aren't fond of
"elitists", and don't like raiding with strangers, so is it possible, being
"shy", that those are the only groups you tend to notice?
IYM
> In message <7vnehv...@mid.individual.net> Catriona
>
>> Won't try on my alts unless
>> it's OS (that one's easymode at least) but Sagart can use some more
>> badges for sure, it's pretty hard getting them at a rate of 2 per day
>> and not even able to do that much a lot of the time.
>
> weeklies on a baby mage who was still wearing some greens and blues. (GS
> under 4000) Really, most people are so overpowered (even if they don't
> realize it) that as long as you pay attention and do what you are
> suppose to (move when appropriate, etc) you will almost certainly be
> fine.
>
> Deadly Boss Mod is a good addon to have because not only does it tell
> you what is happening just like BigWigs, it also tells you useful things
> like "MOVE NOW" and "TURN AWAY"
>
I love DB Mods...Sometimes in a fight I am looking at a bunch of
different things and might miss something, so I particularly like the
audio warning you get with the message. Now, I'm not sure if it is the
DBM or a different add-on that is doing it, but the message for my mage
telling me if a spellsteal is available and how much time I have to use
it is indispensable. There is still decisions to be made (so it's not
button pushing) that I love...Do I have time to finish casting Arcane
Blast before stealing? Should I cancel my cast and steal spells?
etc,etc. I never got the hang of the spellsteal ability before that add.
Now the bad... I'm all for add ons helping, but a small part of me
wonders if I become too dependent on them. Example being the other day
running Heroic FoS. Fighting the final boss we wipe and it was probably
my fault, as I never stopped casting when your supposed to. The reason
was I have run the instance so many times I wasn't really paying hard
attention to the fact that my DBMods was broken/didn't load and I'm just
hammering away waiting for the message to stop casting. Never came and
I got rightfully yelled at after we regrouped. I apologized, explained,
accepted responsibility, won't happen again, yada-yada and we finished.
Got angry at myself for becoming complacent. Sorry to go OT....
Catriona R
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:20:38 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
wrote:
Could well be, yep, they're the loudest ones on trade anyway so I do
tend to notice them more.
Catriona R
On 09 Mar 2010 18:23:53 GMT, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <7vnehv...@mid.individual.net>
> Catriona <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Won't try on my alts unless
>> it's OS (that one's easymode at least) but Sagart can use some more
>> badges for sure, it's pretty hard getting them at a rate of 2 per day
>> and not even able to do that much a lot of the time.
>
>Unless it is ICC or EoE, I'd try any of them. I did all the Ulduar
>weeklies on a baby mage who was still wearing some greens and blues. (GS
>under 4000) Really, most people are so overpowered (even if they don't
>realize it) that as long as you pay attention and do what you are
>suppose to (move when appropriate, etc) you will almost certainly be
>fine.
Really? Would expect anything over Naxx to be pretty challenging
unless you're in epics... not least being a big challenge to get a
group to begin with ;-) Shame I'm very nervous of tanking new places,
since my druid is better geared than my shaman, but I don't really
want to tank raids, healing or dps is much less stress.
>Deadly Boss Mod is a good addon to have because not only does it tell
>you what is happening just like BigWigs, it also tells you useful things
>like "MOVE NOW" and "TURN AWAY"
Very true, I love that in the ICC 5-mans, since I haven't done them
enough to really know what I'm doing yet - I just follow instructions
and it seems to work, phew ;-)
PV
>Could well be, yep, they're the loudest ones on trade anyway so I do
>tend to notice them more.
Just ignore those louts. We occasionally have a couple spots open for VOA
and go on trade if LFR isn't working, and it's kind of sad how everyone who
responds expects to be browbeaten before they're accepted. We just have a
single question - "is this your main?" and if yes, auto invite. Alts only
get invited if we need the role. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>Really? Would expect anything over Naxx to be pretty challenging
>unless you're in epics... not least being a big challenge to get a
>group to begin with ;-) Shame I'm very nervous of tanking new places,
The latter, yeah, sometimes, though anything other than a tank it usually
doesn't matter much. if we're low on good DPSers we might hesitate to take
along one in blues, but mostly, you just want a full group and it's nice to
help someone out.
When EoE was progression content, you could certainly have issues getting
to phase 3 with enough time left (especially if half your raid didn't know
how to fly the drakes properly), but nowadays you usually get to phase 3
with gobs of time left and it's no big shakes. Definitely try it, it's
worth doing at least a couple times.
>>Deadly Boss Mod is a good addon to have because not only does it tell
>>you what is happening just like BigWigs, it also tells you useful things
>>like "MOVE NOW" and "TURN AWAY"
>
>Very true, I love that in the ICC 5-mans, since I haven't done them
>enough to really know what I'm doing yet - I just follow instructions
>and it seems to work, phew ;-)
DBM is pretty much the only mod you HAVE to have if you do any PVE content.
The rest you can muddle through, especially if you're unlikely to pull
threat because you're in a group with overgeared people. *
Catriona R
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:48:40 -0600, pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> writes:
>>Could well be, yep, they're the loudest ones on trade anyway so I do
>>tend to notice them more.
>
>Just ignore those louts. We occasionally have a couple spots open for VOA
>and go on trade if LFR isn't working, and it's kind of sad how everyone who
>responds expects to be browbeaten before they're accepted. We just have a
>single question - "is this your main?" and if yes, auto invite. Alts only
>get invited if we need the role. *
That's the kinda run I'd like to see - the attitudes I see on
trade/lfg make me just expect to get interrogated about gear/flat out
rejected. Although the times I've joined groups that haven't been
making noises about gearscore and achievements I've been mostly
pleasantly surprised to not have anybody commenting on my gear level
being significantly lower than most others - I've ended up doing VoA
in groups where everybody else is in high-end raid guilds and vastly
outgearing me, and I just can't keep up with the other healer on
healing done (usually come out about 30-35% done, but that said,
people don't die avoidably so I'm doing "enough"), but no negative
comments, phew. I just kinda expect it though, since the people you
hear the most shouting from tend to be the elitists (or even worse the
ones wanting a free ride, newly dinged in greens demanding everybody
else have uber gear - they usually get called out on the channel
though and go mysteriously silent after that)
Urbin
>
> On 09 Mar 2010 18:23:53 GMT, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> >In message <7vnehv...@mid.individual.net>
> > Catriona <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Won't try on my alts unless
> >> it's OS (that one's easymode at least) but Sagart can use some more
> >> badges for sure, it's pretty hard getting them at a rate of 2 per day
> >> and not even able to do that much a lot of the time.
> >
> >Unless it is ICC or EoE, I'd try any of them. I did all the Ulduar
> >weeklies on a baby mage who was still wearing some greens and blues. (GS
> >under 4000) Really, most people are so overpowered (even if they don't
> >realize it) that as long as you pay attention and do what you are
> >suppose to (move when appropriate, etc) you will almost certainly be
> >fine.
>
> Really? Would expect anything over Naxx to be pretty challenging
> unless you're in epics...
Well, if the rest of the group is overgeared, one person being undergeared
shouldn't be a problem.
> not least being a big challenge to get a group to begin with ;-)
That might be the biggest challenge then :) Luckily not so bad on my server.
Have a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Weekly_raid it lists all the possible
weekly raids.
At least the Naxx bosses should be a push over (not sure if all of them are,
but at least some are the first boss of the wing)
* Neutral [83R] Anub'Rekhan Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Noth the Plaguebringer Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Patchwerk Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Instructor Razuvious Must Die!
I haven't done all of Ulduar but I'd imagine that these would be quite a bit
harder, unless the rest of the group really knows what they are doing.
Still, all of them are easy to get to without clearing a lot of trash first.
* Neutral [83R] Flame Leviathan Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Ignis the Furnace Master Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Razorscale Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] XT-002 Deconstructor Must Die!
Then there is Sartharion/Obsidian Sanctum which should be trivial:
* Neutral [83R] Sartharion Must Die!
I've only ever done Malygos once and then not as part of the weekly quest,
so I'm not sure how hard he is
* Neutral [83R] Malygos Must Die!
I've not yet dared to sign up for the ICC weekly and have yet to even see
the ToC one:
* Neutral [83R] Lord Jaraxxus Must Die!
* Neutral [83R] Lord Marrowgar Must Die!
Cheers
Urbin
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Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Greeta (48), Dwarven Rogue
John Gordon
> I haven't done all of Ulduar but I'd imagine that these would be quite a bit
> harder, unless the rest of the group really knows what they are doing.
> Still, all of them are easy to get to without clearing a lot of trash first.
> * Neutral [83R] Flame Leviathan Must Die!
> * Neutral [83R] Ignis the Furnace Master Must Die!
> * Neutral [83R] Razorscale Must Die!
> * Neutral [83R] XT-002 Deconstructor Must Die!
Flame Leviathan is trivial if a few people know what to do. The others
are harder, with Ignis probably being hardest.
> I've only ever done Malygos once and then not as part of the weekly quest,
> so I'm not sure how hard he is
> * Neutral [83R] Malygos Must Die!
Malygos is the hardest of the non-ICC weeklies, because so few people are
comfortable with the last phase of the fight which is vehicle-based.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
Catriona R
>In <slrnhpdk0q...@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> I haven't done all of Ulduar but I'd imagine that these would be quite a bit
>> harder, unless the rest of the group really knows what they are doing.
>> Still, all of them are easy to get to without clearing a lot of trash first.
>> * Neutral [83R] Flame Leviathan Must Die!
>> * Neutral [83R] Ignis the Furnace Master Must Die!
>> * Neutral [83R] Razorscale Must Die!
>> * Neutral [83R] XT-002 Deconstructor Must Die!
>
>Flame Leviathan is trivial if a few people know what to do. The others
>are harder, with Ignis probably being hardest.
Good to know, I may try a Flame Leviathan one then, if they'll take
someone without the achievement; I've never even set foot in Ulduar
yet!
>> I've only ever done Malygos once and then not as part of the weekly quest,
>> so I'm not sure how hard he is
>> * Neutral [83R] Malygos Must Die!
>
>Malygos is the hardest of the non-ICC weeklies, because so few people are
>comfortable with the last phase of the fight which is vehicle-based.
Ironic that, I remember when my old guild was trying to kill Malygos
back at the start of WotLK (ie before overgearing it) that the
vehicles part was the easiest for us really... it was getting that far
that took us weeks, once we finally could reliably get there on at
least 50% of attempts it only took another day or so of tries
(might've been less, had the pug healer not only healed on the
non-vehicle phases, which we only realised after several tries, when I
checked recap to see what heal spell he was using the most on the
drakes, only to discover I was doing 99% of the healing in phase 3...)
Wouldn't say I'm that keen on doing it in a total pug, but because of
the non-vehicle pahses, the drakes bit doesn't worry me!
Mark (newsgroups)
> On 09 Mar 2010 18:23:53 GMT, Lewis
>
> >In message <7vnehvFv4...@mid.individual.net>
> > Catriona <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Won't try on my alts unless
> >> it's OS (that one's easymode at least) but Sagart can use some more
> >> badges for sure, it's pretty hard getting them at a rate of 2 per day
> >> and not even able to do that much a lot of the time.
>
> >Unless it is ICC or EoE, I'd try any of them. I did all the Ulduar
> >weeklies on a baby mage who was still wearing some greens and blues. (GS
> >under 4000) Really, most people are so overpowered (even if they don't
> >realize it) that as long as you pay attention and do what you are
> >suppose to (move when appropriate, etc) you will almost certainly be
> >fine.
>
> Really? Would expect anything over Naxx to be pretty challenging
> unless you're in epics... not least being a big challenge to get a
> group to begin with ;-) Shame I'm very nervous of tanking new places,
> since my druid is better geared than my shaman, but I don't really
> want to tank raids, healing or dps is much less stress.
I think this depends on the encounter. When I still tanked with my
druid in TBC (only up to T5 content), I found that tanking in raids
wasn't very stressful. Your job is usually pretty clear.
Now I heal and always get put on raid healing duty, and find that
having to watch everyones health bars so closely is in conflict with
paying close attention to the encounter. It really is a learned skill
to multi-task that way, and I was unpleasantly surprised to find I
struggled with it a bit.
My opinion is that raid healing is more challenging than raid tanking,
but I have no experience with tanking level 80 content.
Thomas H
>> Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
>> for 60 Frost's.
>
> The 50 Triumph one is TERRIBLE. Absolutely useless to a holy priest.
> but for me it's just worthless really, my ilvl 200 ones are far far
> better.
Then I guess the guys at ElitistJerks are full of it? Here are a few
copy / paste's from
http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t83203-wotlk_healing_compendium_v3_3_arthas_downfall/
"It also means that intellect is that much more important, since mana
pool size and response to effects like Replenishment, Mana Tide Totem,
Shadowfiend, and Hymn of Hope are that much more important."
and
"Rules of Thumb for Holy
Stack haste up to 12-14%. Think hard about whether you need more than
that, given raid buffs and talents.
Pick up as much intellect as you can. It's always valuable."
and
"and intellect has been boosted to extremely high levels by the changes
of all regen mechanics to a %-mana pool system."
and
"Intellect is incredibly valuable now. It converts to crit at a rate of
150:1 (with BoK) [for holy] and at a rate of 132:1 (with BoK+MS) [for
Disc]. Additionally, almost all regen mechanics (external) are now based
off percentages of your final mana, so the more you have, the better
they work. "
and
"My personal take on gems is this, gem for regen (via intellect) if you
are having mana issues. Yellow would be pure int, red would be
spellpower/int, and blue would be spirit/int. "
--
Greets, Thomas.
Bulgaroth (Hunter), Latigo (DK), Darkhulk (Druid), and Smallwall
(Paladin) on Argent Dawn EU.
Ashen Shugar
wrote something like...
>On 9-3-2010 12:23, Catriona R wrote:
>>> Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
>>> for 60 Frost's.
>>
>> The 50 Triumph one is TERRIBLE. Absolutely useless to a holy priest.
>> Granted it's good for paladins I guess, since they gem for int anyway
>> but for me it's just worthless really, my ilvl 200 ones are far far
>> better.
>
>Then I guess the guys at ElitistJerks are full of it? Here are a few
>copy / paste's from
>http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t83203-wotlk_healing_compendium_v3_3_arthas_downfall/
>
>"It also means that intellect is that much more important, since mana
>pool size and response to effects like Replenishment, Mana Tide Totem,
>Shadowfiend, and Hymn of Hope are that much more important."
>
Though as Catriona mentioned, she's not in a situation where she can
expect there to be replenishment.
Still, you do have a point that int's got some *real* good uses,
especially if you're raiding and can be fairly sure *someone* will
have some form or replenishment, even for holy priests.
Though I'm with Catriona in that Use bonuses while healing suck. If
you end up wanting their buff to your healing, you're probably not
going to want to take the time away from healing to use them, so you
sort of need them macro'ed to a heal, but if they're macroed to a
heal, then they may not be available when you actually want them,
unless you create a specific "oh s#!t" macro which you then have to
actually learn to use instead of using your normal heals that you use
via muscle memory/habit.
Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Catriona R
Guess it depends on what you find easier; when I offtanked in Naxx it
was pretty stressful to me, probably because the maintank outgeared me
and I could never get enough rage to get any threat or take any mobs
off him on the packs. Offtanking maybe isn't so bad but being maintank
I'd hate since you have to take the lead on pulling and stuff, and
it's very high pressure to get threat up on all mobs in a pull before
somebody aoes them. I'm so used to healing that it's a lot more
relaxing to me; once I know what to expect in an encounter (ie who's
likely to take damage and when) I can sit back and watch what's going
on around me a lot more.
Catriona R
>On 9-3-2010 12:23, Catriona R wrote:
>>> Trinkets? There's a nice trinket for 50 Triumph emblems and a nice one
>>> for 60 Frost's.
>>
>> The 50 Triumph one is TERRIBLE. Absolutely useless to a holy priest.
>> Granted it's good for paladins I guess, since they gem for int anyway
>> but for me it's just worthless really, my ilvl 200 ones are far far
>> better.
>
>Then I guess the guys at ElitistJerks are full of it? Here are a few
>copy / paste's from
>http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t83203-wotlk_healing_compendium_v3_3_arthas_downfall/
No, they are theorycrafting for raiding. Raid theorycrafting is of no
use for a player who focusses on 5-mans or duoing content since the
buffs etc available are totally different.
>"It also means that intellect is that much more important, since mana
>pool size and response to effects like Replenishment, Mana Tide Totem,
>Shadowfiend, and Hymn of Hope are that much more important."
Note Replenishment being mentioned. And I already said in a previous
post I can't rely on having it. It's the only thing that makes
intellect useful than anything else, without it spirit is much better.
>and
>
>"Rules of Thumb for Holy
>Stack haste up to 12-14%. Think hard about whether you need more than
>that, given raid buffs and talents.
>Pick up as much intellect as you can. It's always valuable."
That's because of replenishment. I don't raid therefore replenishment
is not a given.
>and
>
>"and intellect has been boosted to extremely high levels by the changes
>of all regen mechanics to a %-mana pool system."
Replenishment again. Shadowfiend and Hymn of Hope are far too long
cooldowns to base your entire gearing around them.
>"Intellect is incredibly valuable now. It converts to crit at a rate of
>150:1 (with BoK) [for holy] and at a rate of 132:1 (with BoK+MS) [for
>Disc]. Additionally, almost all regen mechanics (external) are now based
>off percentages of your final mana, so the more you have, the better
>they work. "
>
>and
>
>"My personal take on gems is this, gem for regen (via intellect) if you
>are having mana issues. Yellow would be pure int, red would be
>spellpower/int, and blue would be spirit/int. "
That's all fine. IF you raid. I don't, therefore I have totally
different needs. I hate how everyone assumes there's a one size fits
all for gearing and speccing and you HAVE to use raiding specs/stats
even when they're useless to your personal situation. Like people
saying glyph of circle of healing is a must-have... um, it makes a
spell that hits 5 people hit 6, exactly what use is that to anybody
who doesn't raid? It rarely hits more than 3 people in 5-man content.
Catriona R
>Though as Catriona mentioned, she's not in a situation where she can
>expect there to be replenishment.
>
>Still, you do have a point that int's got some *real* good uses,
>especially if you're raiding and can be fairly sure *someone* will
>have some form or replenishment, even for holy priests.
It's fine if you raid, but since I don't, it's very very poor - I've
got the int trinket from TotC but because of the mana regen proc
(which makes it far better for regen purposes than the triumph badges
one, if you don't factor in replenishment), not because of the int;
I'd far far rather have spirit or spellpower as the flat bonus on it.
>Though I'm with Catriona in that Use bonuses while healing suck. If
>you end up wanting their buff to your healing, you're probably not
>going to want to take the time away from healing to use them, so you
>sort of need them macro'ed to a heal, but if they're macroed to a
>heal, then they may not be available when you actually want them,
>unless you create a specific "oh s#!t" macro which you then have to
>actually learn to use instead of using your normal heals that you use
>via muscle memory/habit.
Yep, I've tried the macro thing and it's just not helpful really,
it'll be up on the start of a pull when I barely need to heal at all,
and not when that extra pack aggros/the boss uses a special ability
and I really need it. So I just get equip bonuses instead, chances to
proc mana regen are best since they're always handy, also got a chance
to proc a haste buff which is up often enough that it's got some use,
albeit often not up when I want it the most. There isn't a better
alternative though really.
Thomas H
>
> That's all fine. IF you raid. I don't, therefore I have totally
> different needs. I hate how everyone assumes there's a one size fits
> all for gearing and speccing and you HAVE to use raiding specs/stats
> even when they're useless to your personal situation. Like people
> saying glyph of circle of healing is a must-have... um, it makes a
> spell that hits 5 people hit 6, exactly what use is that to anybody
> who doesn't raid? It rarely hits more than 3 people in 5-man content.
Well, you said the trinket sucked, which is not true for everyone.
And excuse me for my innocence, but why complain about not being able to
find an upgrade for an iLVL 200 trinket when all you do is 5-mans? Your
gear is overpowered for that content, all you need to upgrade for are
high level raids, and for that, the iLVL 245 is a good suggestion imho...
Catriona R
>Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> That's all fine. IF you raid. I don't, therefore I have totally
>> different needs. I hate how everyone assumes there's a one size fits
>> all for gearing and speccing and you HAVE to use raiding specs/stats
>> even when they're useless to your personal situation. Like people
>> saying glyph of circle of healing is a must-have... um, it makes a
>> spell that hits 5 people hit 6, exactly what use is that to anybody
>> who doesn't raid? It rarely hits more than 3 people in 5-man content.
>
>Well, you said the trinket sucked, which is not true for everyone.
I didn't say it was true for everyone. I just don't take situational
buffs into account when deciding the worth of a piece of gear - it
would be pretty foolish of me to balance my gearing around a buff that
I can't rely on, and then suffer when said buff is not available.
>And excuse me for my innocence, but why complain about not being able to
>find an upgrade for an iLVL 200 trinket when all you do is 5-mans? Your
>gear is overpowered for that content, all you need to upgrade for are
>high level raids, and for that, the iLVL 245 is a good suggestion imho...
Because I like to gear my character to the best of my ability, no
matter what content I'm doing - why would I wish to have lower quality
gear?. And even if I was raiding the ilvl 245 one is not better than
the ilvl 200 ones I have now. Because I do not, never have and never
will base my gearing around a buff which may not be present. My old
guild almost never had replenishment, mana was always a major issue
there, and would've been ten times worse if I'd geared for int instead
of regen.
Thomas H
>
> Because I like to gear my character to the best of my ability, no
> matter what content I'm doing - why would I wish to have lower quality
> gear?. And even if I was raiding the ilvl 245 one is not better than
> the ilvl 200 ones I have now. Because I do not, never have and never
> will base my gearing around a buff which may not be present. My old
> guild almost never had replenishment, mana was always a major issue
> there, and would've been ten times worse if I'd geared for int instead
> of regen.
But... As I understand it, with WotLK, spirit-based regen is more
strongly linked to (okay, the square root of) your intellect... Without
intellect, spirit based regeneration will suck, right?
And well, having more mana will inevitably delay being OOM. My GF (Holy
priest) focuses gemming on spirit / SP / intellect on her Holy Priest,
and she never runs OOM in instances, also without replenishment present.
But to each their own, ofc ;-)
Matt Davis
>
>> I think this depends on the encounter. When I still tanked with my
>> druid in TBC (only up to T5 content), I found that tanking in raids
>> wasn't very stressful. Your job is usually pretty clear.
...
>> My opinion is that raid healing is more challenging than raid tanking,
>> but I have no experience with tanking level 80 content.
>
> Guess it depends on what you find easier; when I offtanked in Naxx it
> was pretty stressful to me, probably because the maintank outgeared me
> and I could never get enough rage to get any threat or take any mobs
> off him on the packs. Offtanking maybe isn't so bad but being maintank
> I'd hate since you have to take the lead on pulling and stuff, and
> it's very high pressure to get threat up on all mobs in a pull before
> somebody aoes them. I'm so used to healing that it's a lot more
> relaxing to me; once I know what to expect in an encounter (ie who's
> likely to take damage and when) I can sit back and watch what's going
> on around me a lot more.
Well I just have to say it here, the definitions of "Offtank" and
"Maintank" are quite outdated in the content or WotLK. Almost all
encounters need two full tanks. There are lots of fight where the tanks
basically split their duties and have to take turns tanking the boss/
the adds. In the traditional fights where there are defined roles, the
non "maintank" part of the fight mechanics is most of the time a lot
more stressfull (picking up adds, kiting something around). As the
"maintank" all you do ist stand there, keep your threat rotation tight
and don't die (which ist mostly a function of gear and healers). If the
other tank outgears you so much that you can't take mobs of him in a
trash pack, just taunt one, but at that gear level trash doesn't matter
anyway.
I encourage everyone to not categorize the tanks in a raid, they are one
tank-team.
Catriona R
>Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> Because I like to gear my character to the best of my ability, no
>> matter what content I'm doing - why would I wish to have lower quality
>> gear?. And even if I was raiding the ilvl 245 one is not better than
>> the ilvl 200 ones I have now. Because I do not, never have and never
>> will base my gearing around a buff which may not be present. My old
>> guild almost never had replenishment, mana was always a major issue
>> there, and would've been ten times worse if I'd geared for int instead
>> of regen.
>
>But... As I understand it, with WotLK, spirit-based regen is more
>strongly linked to (okay, the square root of) your intellect... Without
>intellect, spirit based regeneration will suck, right?
Correct. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing to stack int at the
expense of spirit, unless you can rely on replenishment etc always
being present. With my normal gearing (gemming for spirit and not for
int) I have about even amounts of both, which is the ideal balance to
aim for. You only want *more* int than spirit if you factor in
replenishment, which I'm not doing.
>And well, having more mana will inevitably delay being OOM. My GF (Holy
>priest) focuses gemming on spirit / SP / intellect on her Holy Priest,
>and she never runs OOM in instances, also without replenishment present.
>
>But to each their own, ofc ;-)
My gemming goes spirit/spellpower about same priority and a bit of
haste/crit depending what I feel low on at the time. never int, and I
don't have much trouble either, unless it's one of those runs where
people pull entire rooms at once and never let me stop casting for a
second to drink or at least get out of the 5-second rule for a bit.
Catriona R
>
>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:09:50 +0100, Thomas H
><Tremove123...@techemail.com> wrote:
>
>>Catriona R wrote:
>>>
>>> Because I like to gear my character to the best of my ability, no
>>> matter what content I'm doing - why would I wish to have lower quality
>>> gear?. And even if I was raiding the ilvl 245 one is not better than
>>> the ilvl 200 ones I have now. Because I do not, never have and never
>>> will base my gearing around a buff which may not be present. My old
>>> guild almost never had replenishment, mana was always a major issue
>>> there, and would've been ten times worse if I'd geared for int instead
>>> of regen.
>>
>>But... As I understand it, with WotLK, spirit-based regen is more
>>strongly linked to (okay, the square root of) your intellect... Without
>>intellect, spirit based regeneration will suck, right?
>
>Correct. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing to stack int at the
>expense of spirit, unless you can rely on replenishment etc always
>being present. With my normal gearing (gemming for spirit and not for
>int) I have about even amounts of both, which is the ideal balance to
>aim for. You only want *more* int than spirit if you factor in
>replenishment, which I'm not doing.
Just as an example, according to ratingbuster when I check out a piece
of gear with same int and spirit on - 60 int gives me 8.0 mp5 (while
casting) and 0.36% crit. Compared with 60 spirit giving me 18.5 mp5
and 15.8 spellpower. Pretty clear that spirit is vastly better for
regen - whilst the crit helps a little with holy concentration procs,
it just doesn't make up for the massive difference in regen value
between the two.
Urbin
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:48:40 -0600, pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>
> >Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> writes:
> >>Could well be, yep, they're the loudest ones on trade anyway so I do
> >>tend to notice them more.
> >
> >Just ignore those louts. We occasionally have a couple spots open for VOA
> >and go on trade if LFR isn't working, and it's kind of sad how everyone who
> >responds expects to be browbeaten before they're accepted. We just have a
> >single question - "is this your main?" and if yes, auto invite. Alts only
> >get invited if we need the role. *
>
> That's the kinda run I'd like to see - the attitudes I see on
> trade/lfg make me just expect to get interrogated about gear/flat out
> rejected. Although the times I've joined groups that haven't been
> making noises about gearscore and achievements I've been mostly
> pleasantly surprised to not have anybody commenting on my gear level
> being significantly lower than most others - I've ended up doing VoA
> in groups where everybody else is in high-end raid guilds and vastly
> outgearing me, and I just can't keep up with the other healer on
> healing done (usually come out about 30-35% done, but that said,
> people don't die avoidably so I'm doing "enough"), but no negative
> comments, phew.
That pretty much conforms to my experience. You don't need to be top of the
DPS chart as long as you're not the last by a significant margin. If you
manage that, people will leave you in peace.
> I just kinda expect it though, since the people you hear the most
> shouting from tend to be the elitists (or even worse the ones wanting a
> free ride
I suspect this is probably the majority. Those in 5000gs gear will realise
that they could probably 5 man Naxx so won't hesitate to take 1 or 2 normal
geared people along.
Those who are "normal" or even under geared will try to find over geared
players to pull them through because they don't feel like doing the ordinary
raid with 9 other normally geared players...
Urbin
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
> <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >In <slrnhpdk0q...@stinky-local.trash.net> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >
> >> I haven't done all of Ulduar but I'd imagine that these would be quite a bit
> >> harder, unless the rest of the group really knows what they are doing.
> >> Still, all of them are easy to get to without clearing a lot of trash first.
> >> * Neutral [83R] Flame Leviathan Must Die!
> >> * Neutral [83R] Ignis the Furnace Master Must Die!
> >> * Neutral [83R] Razorscale Must Die!
> >> * Neutral [83R] XT-002 Deconstructor Must Die!
> >
> >Flame Leviathan is trivial if a few people know what to do. The others
> >are harder, with Ignis probably being hardest.
>
> Good to know, I may try a Flame Leviathan one then, if they'll take
> someone without the achievement; I've never even set foot in Ulduar
> yet!
It's a great fight. Provided you like vehicles :)
Cryptoengineer
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:02:59 +0000, Catriona R wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 22:52:46 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
> > <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>
> > >> I haven't done all of Ulduar but I'd imagine that these would be quite a bit
> > >> harder, unless the rest of the group really knows what they are doing.
> > >> Still, all of them are easy to get to without clearing a lot of trash first.
> > >> * Neutral [83R] Flame Leviathan Must Die!
> > >> * Neutral [83R] Ignis the Furnace Master Must Die!
> > >> * Neutral [83R] Razorscale Must Die!
> > >> * Neutral [83R] XT-002 Deconstructor Must Die!
>
> > >Flame Leviathan is trivial if a few people know what to do. The others
> > >are harder, with Ignis probably being hardest.
>
> > Good to know, I may try a Flame Leviathan one then, if they'll take
> > someone without the achievement; I've never even set foot in Ulduar
> > yet!
>
> It's a great fight. Provided you like vehicles :)
He's the first Ulda boss, and you have to fight your way through
hundreds (literally) of dwarves and a number of minibosses to get to
him. Luckily, the vehicles make this fast and easy. I've successfully
two-manned the trash before the boss in 10-man mode.
It's a lot of fun once people understand how to play it. Like the EoE
3rd phase, you're in a vehicle, and your normal game goes out the
window - you have to learn how to play a new role. It helps a great
deal to read up on these encounters first, and/or watch the videos on
Tankspot (which carries well-narrated how-to videos for raid content,
and is *not* just for tanks). Your first run or three will inevitably
suck as you learn the controls, movements, and rotations.
I used to hate EoE, but as I learned the right way to work the drakes,
its become a lot more enjoyable.
pt
Cryptoengineer
> In message <hn7mrt$pg...@news.eternal-september.org>
> > Then I guess the guys at ElitistJerks are full of it?
>
> Yes,a good portion of the time they are. The problem with EJ is that
> they assume 1) best-in-slot gear in every slot and 2) someone ELSE has
> taken all the crappy talents that will buff your DPS/Heals.
>
> There is a reason they are 'jerks'.
EJ is a site for end-game raiders who play in stable (usually guild)
hardcore raiding teams. Such people expect to have BiS or near-BiS
gear, and the EJ regulars debate endlessly over just what *is* BiS.
Since they have stable teams, its quite reasonable for the team to
require members to optimize their talent trees and gear for what will
make the *team* most effective, even if it impacts an individual's
ranking in Recount and WH, or makes them sub-optimal when playing
without their team. The suggested builds and gear on EJ have to be
understood in that context.
EJ serves a small niche, does it well. I don't see how that makes them
'full of it', or 'jerks' (except in the ironic sense they use the term
themselves).
Lewis, what's your main? How far have you progressed? I gave mine in
the OP.
pt
Its not a site for people leveling, people who pug, or people who do 5-
mans or solo.
Christopher Adams
>
> Yep, I've tried the macro thing and it's just not helpful really,
> it'll be up on the start of a pull when I barely need to heal at all,
> and not when that extra pack aggros/the boss uses a special ability
> and I really need it. So I just get equip bonuses instead, chances to
> proc mana regen are best since they're always handy, also got a chance
> to proc a haste buff which is up often enough that it's got some use,
> albeit often not up when I want it the most. There isn't a better
> alternative though really.
/use macros can be written so that they only use the trinket when a modifier
key is pressed, and use the spell normally if not - so, for instance, you
could set up your healing spells to cast as normally, but /use the trinket
and cast the spell if you hold Ctrl while pressing or clicking the button.
So then your "oh shit" reflex just needs to be trained to press Ctrl at the
same time as you're casting the heal.
--
Christopher Adams
Sydney, Australia
Beadie Russell: Why me?
Jimmy McNulty: I don't know. I guess you don't live right.
- The Wire
Catriona R
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:46:13 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
<mhacde...@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> Yep, I've tried the macro thing and it's just not helpful really,
>> it'll be up on the start of a pull when I barely need to heal at all,
>> and not when that extra pack aggros/the boss uses a special ability
>> and I really need it. So I just get equip bonuses instead, chances to
>> proc mana regen are best since they're always handy, also got a chance
>> to proc a haste buff which is up often enough that it's got some use,
>> albeit often not up when I want it the most. There isn't a better
>> alternative though really.
>
>/use macros can be written so that they only use the trinket when a modifier
>key is pressed, and use the spell normally if not - so, for instance, you
>could set up your healing spells to cast as normally, but /use the trinket
>and cast the spell if you hold Ctrl while pressing or clicking the button.
>
>So then your "oh shit" reflex just needs to be trained to press Ctrl at the
>same time as you're casting the heal.
Hmm now that's not a bad idea, will bear that in mind if I get a
must-have trinket with a "use" on it then, thanks!
cryptoguy
> In message <155346fa-6963-4977-acb2-d0e088a40...@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
> Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 6:22?am, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> In message <hn7mrt$pg...@news.eternal-september.org>
> >> > Then I guess the guys at ElitistJerks are full of it?
>
> >> they assume 1) best-in-slot gear in every slot and 2) someone ELSE has
> >> taken all the crappy talents that will buff your DPS/Heals.
>
> >> There is a reason they are 'jerks'.
> > EJ is a site for end-game raiders who play in stable (usually guild)
> > hardcore raiding teams. Such people expect to have BiS or near-BiS
> > gear, and the EJ regulars debate endlessly over just what *is* BiS.
>
> people are told "well, this is the best spec for YOU because EJ said
> so."
>
> > Lewis, what's your main? How far have you progressed? I gave mine in
> > the OP.
>
> weeks. My main is a hunter, my alt is a mage.
>
> I don't think I have a single "best in slot" item, but then I don't
> devote 10 hours a week to raiding. I'm happy with my progression as is,
> and have spent more time recently doing 'old world' stuff that I suspect
> is going away. Like getting the Winterspring mount or finishing up
> Loremaster.
>
> > Its not a site for people leveling, people who pug, or people who do 5-
> > mans or solo.
>
> to what Frost tricket to buy. See the problem?
Yes. The problem is that you're calling the wrong people names. No one
at EJ would suggest that their advice is for anyone but end-game
raiders. Yet you said 'yes, they (EJ) often are (full of it).'
I base my healing build on what's good for my raid team. As a result,
I don't do so hot at healing heroics. I can hit well over 7000 hps in
raids, but am lucky to get 3000 in 5 mans (luckily, that's almost
always more than enough).
I have a secondary Ret build for soloing.
pt
Catriona R
Slight tangent here - is there any theorycrafting site like EJ, but
which is more general based? Ie covers all aspects, not only hardcore
raiding with optimal raid specs/BiS gear? I mostly figure my own way
out, and it works well enough, but I'd love to have some informed
comparisons on various stats etc, *taking into account* things like
not all raidbuffs always being available, not being boss level mobs
(so not needing 17% spellhit, only 6%!) etc etc. Whilst I don't raid,
the fun for me is in making my character as good as possible for the
content I do take part in, so it'd be nice to have a source of such
info to see how accurate my reckoning is.
Thomas Jespersen
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>Slight tangent here - is there any theorycrafting site like EJ, but
>which is more general based? Ie covers all aspects, not only hardcore
>raiding with optimal raid specs/BiS gear? I mostly figure my own way
For healing specs I like plusheal.com. There is a theorycrafting forum
and people who know a lot about it. Its everything between hardcore
raiding and casual 5-mans.
Catriona R
Thanks, that looks like a very interesting read! :-)
cryptoguy
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:43:48 +0100, Thomas Jespersen
>
> >On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:29:57 +0000, Catriona R
> ><catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>Slight tangent here - is there any theorycrafting site like EJ, but
> >>which is more general based? Ie covers all aspects, not only hardcore
> >>raiding with optimal raid specs/BiS gear? I mostly figure my own way
>
> >For healing specs I like plusheal.com. There is a theorycrafting forum
> >and people who know a lot about it. Its everything between hardcore
> >raiding and casual 5-mans.
>
> Thanks, that looks like a very interesting read! :-)
Yes, its an excellent site.
I think that you have to find class-specific sites for most of the
stuff EJ doesn't cover.
pt
Steve Kaye
>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:46:13 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
> <mhacde...@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> /use macros can be written so that they only use the trinket when a modifier
>> key is pressed, and use the spell normally if not - so, for instance, you
>> could set up your healing spells to cast as normally, but /use the trinket
>> and cast the spell if you hold Ctrl while pressing or clicking the button.
>>
>> So then your "oh shit" reflex just needs to be trained to press Ctrl at the
>> same time as you're casting the heal.
>
> Hmm now that's not a bad idea, will bear that in mind if I get a
> must-have trinket with a "use" on it then, thanks!
I don't see how it will be slower/harder to use the trinket before the
heal than to have it automatically fire if you are pressing a modifier.
I used to have beserking and an on use trinket on my action bars when my
priest healed. Then all I had to do was quickly press one of those
buttons before I heal. So it was press-1, cast heal. If you have it in
a macro as above the sequence would be press-ctrl, cast heal. The key
presses and time required are virtually identical although the macro
will save an action bar / hot key slot.
The difficult part for me wasn't activating the trinket but remembering
that I had it and to use it appropriately. (i.e. not waiting until I
really really needed it because a) that left the trinket unused too much
and b) was usually too late anyway)
I did get into the habit of using them well enough at level 70 but I've
really got out of the habit now.... so much so that I had to check if I
had any on-use trinkets on my healer and found out that I had two on use
SP ones. I'll have to start using them. :P
steve.kaye
Steve Kaye
> In message <hnaad2$2ic$1...@news.eternal-september.org> Steve
> <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>> I don't see how it will be slower/harder to use the trinket before the
>> heal than to have it automatically fire if you are pressing a modifier.
>
> their nromal shot macro.
Yeah, it's easy for DPS characters as extra DPS is almost never wasted
(in content that I do) and it's usually better to use these things on
cooldown.
As Catriona pointed out, for healers it is just a bigger heal that is
hard to plan for so will usually just result in more healing when you
don't need it and just the luck of the draw whether you get it when you
do need it.
steve.kaye
IYM
> On 11/03/2010 09:09, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <hnaad2$2ic$1...@news.eternal-september.org> Steve
>> <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I don't see how it will be slower/harder to use the trinket before the
>>> heal than to have it automatically fire if you are pressing a modifier.
>>
>> I went the other way. Both my hunter and mage have /use 13 /use 14 in
>> their nromal shot macro.
>
> Yeah, it's easy for DPS characters as extra DPS is almost never wasted
> (in content that I do) and it's usually better to use these things on
> cooldown.
Yea - I guess it is easier, and as you say, is ALMOST never wasted, but
I still have to be mindful and not a button masher about it. I use the
/use 13 / use 14 for my trinkets in my spell rotation macros, but I
found when I started using it, that there are many times I don't want to
waste it. For example, on my mage if I had this (roughly - doing this
off the top my head)
/cast presence of mind
/cast arcane power
/use 13
/use 14
/cast arcane blast
and I was coming to the end of a mob and some of my stuff was finishing
cooldown, and there's a boss fight next - I may not want to cast using
this macro, and just throw a regular arcane blast to save my instant
enhance spells or trinkets.
So what I'm trying out now is I have my spell rotation with macros that
pop trinkets, icy veins, AP, PoM, the kitchen sink in my first action
bar. (As a arcane mage, I really have only 3-4 big single target damage
spells I spam), so I have the same duplicate layout set up in my #2
roll-up action bar, but the straight up spells (non macro) that I can
quick roll up to and cast them. Does this idea seem sound to anyone?
Seems to work ok, just catch myself being stupid and forgetting to roll
back and forth between the action bars every once in a while to what I
need. Wish there was a macro or key mapping to rotate that. Please let
me know if this sounds stupid or a waste, as I'm just starting to try it
out. I am a relatively new player (couple months) and this is my first
main toon.
BTW - Since this is a thread about Frost purchases, I'm about ready to
make my first frost purchase and was thinking a new belt would be the
way to go first. I already have a eternal belt buckle in the bank for
it. If someone would like to check out my main on wow-heroes and make
some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Please be gentle on criticism of
my lower gear, as I've only been 80 less than a month....Hey, I'm
working on it! lol
US
Realm: Quel'dorei
Character: Korgra
Steve Kaye
> So what I'm trying out now is I have my spell rotation with macros that
> pop trinkets, icy veins, AP, PoM, the kitchen sink in my first action
> bar. (As a arcane mage, I really have only 3-4 big single target damage
> spells I spam), so I have the same duplicate layout set up in my #2
> roll-up action bar, but the straight up spells (non macro) that I can
> quick roll up to and cast them. Does this idea seem sound to anyone?
> Seems to work ok, just catch myself being stupid and forgetting to roll
> back and forth between the action bars every once in a while to what I
> need.
> Wish there was a macro or key mapping to rotate that.
This will change to action bar page 2:
/changeactionbar 2
This will swap between pages 1 and 2 (if you're on neither it selects
the first):
/swapactionbar 1 2
I think that there are some bindings in the standard key binds config
screen that you can set up to change to specific action bars (although
that might be another game I'm thinking of :P )
steve.kaye
Cryptoengineer
This is turning into a really interesting and useful thread.
I too prefer on-equip trinkets to on-use, but they get rarer at the
top. I've tried macroing some of them into my regular healing
rotation, particularly the mana-restoring ones; restoring mana early
in the fight is just about as useful as restoring it later, so long
I'm not topped up to the point that the restoration is wasted. I'm not
entirely satisfied with the results. Haste, crit and SP on-use effects
are a lot harder to manage - they need to be popped only at certain
points.
I'm still using the standard action bars, with my main heals hotkeyed
(a couple are on extra mouse buttons); I use Grid to monitor the
raid's health and select targets, and the hotkeys to cast the spells.
Most of the fight my left hand never leaves the hotkeys, and my right
keeps the mouse on Grid. This seems a pretty good setup for me.
I set focus to my main target (usually a tank) and have Beacon, Sacred
Shield, and JoL macroed to target the focus, or the focus's target.
Anyone use the actionbar replacement addons? What do you use, and what
do you get out of it?
pt
Steve Kaye
> Anyone use the actionbar replacement addons? What do you use, and what
> do you get out of it?
I use Bartender to allow my action bar to change pages if I press the
Ctrl, Shift or Alt keys. It effectively gives me 40* hot keys with
visualy clues as to what each one does.
* I only have 10 buttons on my action bar as that maps to the number of
keys on my Nostromo after you take out the movement buttons.
Also, I don't have any targeted heal or de-curse on my action bars as
they are all on mouse clicks with Grid and Clique.
steve.kaye
Cryptoengineer
I've been advised to add Clique a number of times, (or switch to
Healbot), and I may give it a try. That would free my left hand for
more general use.
The nice thing about the targeted spells is that I don't have to
select the tank or its target, saving time. I also have non-targeted
versions on the action bar.
pt
IYM
> In message <hnb1nc$c97$1...@news.eternal-september.org> Steve
>> On 11/03/2010 13:54, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
>>> Anyone use the actionbar replacement addons? What do you use, and what
>>> do you get out of it?
>
>> I use Bartender to allow my action bar to change pages if I press the
>> Ctrl, Shift or Alt keys. It effectively gives me 40* hot keys with
>> visualy clues as to what each one does.
>
> mouse in combat at all, playing primarily with the keyboard. I only use
> the mouse to direct my movement.
>
> I display 3 bars on screen, the top one changes from unmodified to ctrl,
> shift, or alt. The second one has keys that are bound to my numpad, the
> third has buttons that don't have keybindinings (things I want visible,
> but don't use often enough to bother with keybindings).
>
> I also have autobar which has three bars of its own.
>
> Many macros assume that you are playing 'clicky' style and wil use
> modifiers to change a button instead of a bar, but that just doesn't
> match my play style at all.
>
Me too for the most part...my #1 key is a focus macro. When in a raid
or dungeon, first thing I do is right click the tank portrait and set
focus. Then my #1 will always focus on the tanks target. The only time
I'm clicking a target with my mouse is the unforeseen circumstances,
like during the ICC rep run where the healer is getting web wrapped.
I'm usually by them as a mage, so I'll stop dps'ing and whip around,
click on them and knock the web off before returning to normal attacks
(which messes up my dps BTW, but I'd rather stay alive and being on the
healer's good side for rescuing them is always a plus!)...I'll have to
look into some of these custom action bar add-ons. Based on what you
guys are talking about, it sounds like I'll like them...
Cryptoengineer
>
> BTW - Since this is a thread about Frost purchases, I'm about ready to
> make my first frost purchase and was thinking a new belt would be the
> way to go first. I already have a eternal belt buckle in the bank for
> it. If someone would like to check out my main on wow-heroes and make
> some suggestions, I'd appreciate it. Please be gentle on criticism of
> my lower gear, as I've only been 80 less than a month....Hey, I'm
> working on it! lol
>
> US
> Realm: Quel'dorei
> Character: Korgra
I don't know much about gearing mages, but it does look like it comes
down to the back or the belt.
pt
IYM
Ok - Thanks for the look. I just picked up that cloak during the Naxx
raid last week as it was better than the one I had. The old cloak was
on the chopping block to be the first replacement, but as I just got it
and added the enhancement to it and the such, I think I'll be going with
the belt. The lvl 200 belt I've had since I was a level 79. I couldn't
use it till I turned 80 and it's served me well, but it's time to go...
I have 10 more frosts to go before I can get it. Hopefully within the
next few days between the weekly raid and the daily runs... thanks
Urbin
In vanilla I seem to recall that Shift-1 to Shift-6 changed bars. It's been
nearly 5 years, though, so I might misremember :)
Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Greeta (50), Dwarven Rogue
Joe Claffey Jr.
Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In vanilla I seem to recall that Shift-1 to Shift-6 changed bars. It's been
> nearly 5 years, though, so I might misremember :)
It still does. It's very annoying when you mean to hit alt-4 and hit
shift-4 by mistake...
--
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something. " - Pancho Villa
"Indiana" Joe Claffey
india...@gmail.com
Urbin
> In article <slrnhpjt9f...@stinky-local.trash.net>,
> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In vanilla I seem to recall that Shift-1 to Shift-6 changed bars. It's been
> > nearly 5 years, though, so I might misremember :)
>
> It still does. It's very annoying when you mean to hit alt-4 and hit
> shift-4 by mistake...
I had to re-read this four times while I wondered why anybody would want to
press alt-F4 on purpose ;-)
Cheers
Urbin, who got it in the end; and agrees
Joe Claffey Jr.
Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:26:56 -0500, Joe Claffey Jr. wrote:
> > In article <slrnhpjt9f...@stinky-local.trash.net>,
> > Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > In vanilla I seem to recall that Shift-1 to Shift-6 changed bars.
> > > It's been nearly 5 years, though, so I might misremember :)
> >
> > It still does. It's very annoying when you mean to hit alt-4 and hit
> > shift-4 by mistake...
>
> I had to re-read this four times while I wondered why anybody would want to
> press alt-F4 on purpose ;-)
Since I have a Mac, I might be able to get away with that. :-)
PV
>I had to re-read this four times while I wondered why anybody would want to
>press alt-F4 on purpose ;-)
This reminds me of a delayed reaction joke I played on our raidleader
and didn't even know I did it...
I have assist a lot of the time, and it was painful to watch the marks go
up slowly in SSC (you could just tell he was doing it by the click and
drag method). So, I started marking trash groups for him rapid fire style.
This went on for a bit, and he asked me how I did it so quick. I told him
simply to keybind each mark, preset in kill order, so you could just cycle
through mobs and press the next key. He didn't know at the time you could
keybind the marks, so I told him I simply put skull on alt-f1, X on alt-f2,
circle on alt-f3 ... and so on for the 6 marks of our standard kill order.
A while later he was setting up the targets for Maulgar ... and logged off
while marking Maulgar himself, TWICE (fourth kill target, you see). Once I
realized what happened and stopped laughing, I suggested that he get a mac
if he liked my marking setup. And so he did. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
Christopher Adams
>
> I went the other way. Both my hunter and mage have /use 13 /use 14 in
> their nromal shot macro.
Yeah, my Fireball macro has both of my trinkets in it. Very useful.
--
Christopher Adams
Sydney, Australia
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Jimmy McNulty: I don't know. I guess you don't live right.
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