just what good are spellstones and firestones
thadr...@wow.com
Being a lvl 70 warlock i've never really used the spellstone, i've
always preferred the wand up to now. So just what do spellstones and
firestones do to help out the warlock.
Really just curious
Vladesch
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I like life drain. It returns more hp than the mana it uses, plus since
youre using your hp->mana spell after every fight, it keeps your pet with
plenty of mana (with the right talent)
I also have never used any stone spell.
Catriona R
Spellstone is good in pvp as using it removes all magic debuffs on
you, so if some warlocks/shadowpriests have covered you in dots you
can get rid of them again (careful of unstable affliction though!),
plus it's not like a healthstone with only one charge but lasts until
you log off. The crit rating buff is alright, but nothing special,
maybe handy for a destruction warlock but the real value is in the use
of removing dots.
Firestone... umm... I've never seen a use for it tbh. Melee boosts for
a caster class are just pointless, frankly, so, unless someone else
knows a use I've missed, don't bother :-)
thadr...@wow.com
wrote:
ahhh what does drain life have to do with spellstones. I use drain
life also but comparing it with an item that goes into the wand spot
makes no sense.
its like saying do you walk to work or carry your lunch.
Wolfie
<thadr...@wow.com> wrote
You missed the point: why use the wand as a weapon? A 'lock is
better off finishing mobs with Drain Life or Drain Soul. A spellstone
can dispell and grants about 1% crit rating, making other gear (and
pet) options possible. The +fire on the firestone is the same, at
least for destruction locks (although they'd be better off with the
extra crit as well.)
In essence, it's free gear. Of course it's not epic-level, but it's
a decent choice (at least the spellstone) when compared to
normal green wands. (Even better for lower-level 'locks where
+crit gear isn't as common.)
That Guy
in the low and mid levels giving me a boost to fire damage. Now that theres
more +spell damage gear you might not see it but for a long time the best a
poor lock could get in the 20-40 range was his firestone in offhand for
extra damage to spells
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ScratchMonkey
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> Firestone... umm... I've never seen a use for it tbh.
True, I always go for another brand of tire. :P
Vladesch
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I misinterpreted you to say you were wanding your targets. (which I see a
lot of warlocks doing, and tends to starve your pet of mana)
PV
Firestones ... nothing at all. They're completely worthless. Spellstones on
the other hand, are rather handy for the spell shield and DoT removal. Nice
in PvP. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
thadr...@wow.com
The original point was what does spellstone and firestone do to help
out the warlock. It had nothing to do with anyother spells at all. Of
course you might think so. It was a pretty simple question. The
spellstone goes in the wand spot.
When the mob is really low on health and casting drain life is a
diminishing return i use the wand. I get impatient waiting for some
of them to die. My CoA is up and the only dot on them is SL and
Shadow Embrace. Then one wand shot takes them out.
BTW my wand hits from 350 to over 500 and uses no mana to use it.
the fact that it dispells is intresting. Now will it dispell
polymorph and fear???
thadr...@wow.com
wrote:
I think i used a firestone once but since i've almost always used a
staff but only for the stats it could give me. I found when i equipped
it my staff went away. i very seldom ever use the staff anyway. I
find i'm not really good at melee wearing cloth armor.
thadr...@wow.com
wrote:
><thadr...@wow.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:58:21 +1030, "Vladesch" <nob...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>><thadr...@wow.com> wrote in message
>>>news:nin5n317gf1ekg5t5...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Being a lvl 70 warlock i've never really used the spellstone, i've
>>>> always preferred the wand up to now. So just what do spellstones and
>>>> firestones do to help out the warlock.
>>>>
>>>> Really just curious
>>>>
>>>
>>>I like life drain. It returns more hp than the mana it uses, plus since
>>>youre using your hp->mana spell after every fight, it keeps your pet with
>>>plenty of mana (with the right talent)
>>>
>>
>> ahhh what does drain life have to do with spellstones. I use drain
>> life also but comparing it with an item that goes into the wand spot
>> makes no sense.
>>
>> its like saying do you walk to work or carry your lunch.
>>
>>
>
>I misinterpreted you to say you were wanding your targets. (which I see a
>lot of warlocks doing, and tends to starve your pet of mana)
>
ahhh ok. Yah i do occasionaly when i want a fast finish to the mob
and it cost more to channel my drain life than i'll get back in
health. Makes no sense to cast a 405 mana spell to get back 200 life
especially when my life is topped out. I sometimes use my high
powered wand to finish them off. It hits for 350 to over 500. its
the "Gladiator's Touch of Defeat". Its a season 2 arena wand.
Catriona R
Argh lol... lucky I've watched US motorsports in the past or I
wouldn't have got that, don't think we get Firestone tyres over here
;-)
Wolfie
"Catriona R" wrote
They're Bridgestone's over there...
thadr...@wow.com
I use the tire guy tires. michlins i belive. of course i mispelled
his name
ScratchMonkey
4ax.com:
>>>> Firestone... umm... I've never seen a use for it tbh.
>>>
>>>True, I always go for another brand of tire. :P
>>
>>Argh lol... lucky I've watched US motorsports in the past or I
>>wouldn't have got that, don't think we get Firestone tyres over here
>>;-)
>
>
> I use the tire guy tires. michlins i belive. of course i mispelled
> his name
Until recently I drove my dad's old 72 pickup and had always put Big O
tires on it.
Firestone is famous for being blamed for roll overs of Ford Explorers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_Tire_and_Rubber_Company#Ford_Explore
r_rollover_problem
It's the Pinto of tires. ;)
evankimori
Never touched a Firestone, much less the Imp. Conjur talent to
increase the effectiveness. Total wastage imo. The only reason you'd
actually use one of these is if your wand absolutely sucks at lower
levels/you vendored it by accident or you're Destr spec. Even with all
the talent point upgrades for Immolate & Searing Pain, they're pretty
mediocre but good spells but not enough to warrant killing your wand
slot for dmg upgrades on them.
Spellstones are pretty okay. I've actually used the Spellstones in PVP
when my Lock was twinked for 39 BG's. It's insanely helpful for those
SPriests who dot you the heck up and your felhound can't eat the buffs/
debuffs fast enough. Works on Pally hammerstuns as well, which is
great. Later levels like 45+...eh. Not really. They're good, yes, but
at the same time: wands level up as well and add spelldmg, int and
stamina etc which are stats you really don't wanna sacrifice in any
way. Spellstone = PVP tool and probably the odd PVE encounter.
Catriona R
Yup, thought as much.
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Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 60)
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Duster
"evankimori" <evank...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 26, 7:07 pm, thadrix...@wow.com wrote:
Spellstone = PVP tool and probably the odd PVE encounter.
Does it remove the garotte from Moroes?
lcpltom
I've always had a problem with using the stones. Even when they took
the offhand slot instead of the wand slot. If I am using a sword then
I have a good offhand to go with it. Giving up either the offhand or
the wand slot for a stone, especially at 70, means giving up something
with some good stats on it. Right now, my wand has stam, int, spell
hit, and spell damage. Using a spellstone would remove any benefit
from that wand, and the trade off would be extra crit, which I don't
use too much of in PvP, and debuff removal being the only thing useful
about it.
I never bother with it. Waste of a soulshard imo.
ScratchMonkey
82e6b7...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> I've always had a problem with using the stones. Even when they took
> the offhand slot instead of the wand slot. If I am using a sword then
> I have a good offhand to go with it. Giving up either the offhand or
> the wand slot for a stone, especially at 70, means giving up something
> with some good stats on it.
I didn't realize you could put those in the wand slot. Is that new? (I'd
never tried it, since it just says "offhand".)
Catriona R
They seem to have got changed at some point, I always thought they were
offhand but they only go in the wand slot now. Which is annoying as it's
nice to have a wand available for those oom moments where I've not got
enough health for a lifetap to be a good idea...
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Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 70)
lcpltom
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:57:09 -0600, ScratchMonkey
>
> >lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ecceecca-a9f2-4b3c-a1e2-
> >82e6b73b4...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> I've always had a problem with using the stones. Even when they took
> >> the offhand slot instead of the wand slot. If I am using a sword then
> >> I have a good offhand to go with it. Giving up either the offhand or
> >> the wand slot for a stone, especially at 70, means giving up something
> >> with some good stats on it.
>
> >I didn't realize you could put those in the wand slot. Is that new? (I'd
> >never tried it, since it just says "offhand".)
>
> They seem to have got changed at some point, I always thought they were
> offhand but they only go in the wand slot now. Which is annoying as it's
> nice to have a wand available for those oom moments where I've not got
> enough health for a lifetap to be a good idea...
> --
> EU-Draenor:
> Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70)
> Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
> Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
> Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
> Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 70)
> Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 60)
> Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
> Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 53)
> Cathach - Gnome Warrior (lvl 30)
It used to be an offhand item, then a while back they changed it so
they are equipped in the wand slot instead. It allows you to use the
stones while using a staff as well, where previously if you wanted to
use one of the stones, you needed to have a sword or dagger.
PV
> Spellstone = PVP tool and probably the odd PVE encounter.
>
>Does it remove the garotte from Moroes?
Nope. It takes a total immunity to physical damage to remove a bleed
effect. Stoneform, Blessing of protection, divine shield, or ice block are
the only ways that come to mind. Not that it's so much of a big deal - if
your healers are on the ball you can get by with half the raid having
garrottes. *
PV
>I didn't realize you could put those in the wand slot. Is that new? (I'd
>never tried it, since it just says "offhand".)
Not super new - but it did indeed used to be an offhand. *
Catriona R
>"Duster" <D...@nospam.fr> writes:
>> Spellstone = PVP tool and probably the odd PVE encounter.
>>
>>Does it remove the garotte from Moroes?
>
>Nope. It takes a total immunity to physical damage to remove a bleed
>effect. Stoneform, Blessing of protection, divine shield, or ice block are
>the only ways that come to mind.
Dwarf stoneform also, can't think of anything else though, so paladins in a
raid are very useful! Generally on the runs I'm in the paladins BoP the
other healers, and shield themselves when Moroes vanishes (they're usually
tanking or they could do it anytime)
>Not that it's so much of a big deal - if
>your healers are on the ball you can get by with half the raid having
>garrottes.
Prayer of mending and HoTs are a wonderful thing on that fight :-)
Catriona R
>It used to be an offhand item, then a while back they changed it so
>they are equipped in the wand slot instead. It allows you to use the
>stones while using a staff as well, where previously if you wanted to
>use one of the stones, you needed to have a sword or dagger.
Ahh, makes sense of course, just it'd be nice if it didn't mean losing the
wand slot - make it take a trinket slot instead or something :-)
evankimori
> wand slot - make it take a trinket slot instead or something :-)
You've got a very good point there...that WOULD be a lot more
applicable, seeing the complete lack of applicable, proper trinkets
before...say...level 50 in Azeroth...
Submit that as a forum suggestion.
As I stated above, the ONLY time I've actually ever used the
Spellstone is like 30-39 PVP BG's when wands are really not starting
to shine just yet or those "OSHI...OOM" moments. Anywhere beyond it
gets rarer. My lock is heading into 50 now and I haven't had reason to
equip the Spellstone much less the Firestone again.
If they changed it to a trinket slot or something, I'd say hell yeah.
Then again: firestone + spellstone as trinkets before 50 on a lock
just calls for more BAWWW LOCK OP posts with classes complaining they
get no love and locks 'get free trinkets that can dispel' etc etc etc.
Worse yet if people actually kill the points for Master Conjurer...oi.
OP Posts everywhere.
Now, make them tradeable like Healthstones and I think we'd be in
business...I know a few levelling mages who'd worship me for making
them one. It'd still have the whole 'disappear when logged out for 15
mins' thing going on though. Rethinking single/global cooldowns on
them etc would take some thought though.
ScratchMonkey
645837...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> Now, make them tradeable like Healthstones and I think we'd be in
> business...I know a few levelling mages who'd worship me for making
> them one. It'd still have the whole 'disappear when logged out for 15
> mins' thing going on though. Rethinking single/global cooldowns on
> them etc would take some thought though.
Wow, tradable volatile trinkets would be awesome! Even a paladin might
benefit. And if warlocks got a str/stam stone, they could give it to tanks,
and become tanks' best friend.
Rehlow
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:57:09 -0600, ScratchMonkey
>
> >lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ecceecca-a9f2-4b3c-a1e2-
> >82e6b73b4...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> the offhand slot instead of the wand slot. If I am using a sword then
> >> I have a good offhand to go with it. Giving up either the offhand or
> >> the wand slot for a stone, especially at 70, means giving up something
> >> with some good stats on it.
>
> >I didn't realize you could put those in the wand slot. Is that new? (I'd
> >never tried it, since it just says "offhand".)
>
> They seem to have got changed at some point, I always thought they were
> offhand but they only go in the wand slot now. Which is annoying as it's
> nice to have a wand available for those oom moments where I've not got
> enough health for a lifetap to be a good idea...
I have found the spellstone useful in arena. I have a macro that if
the spellstone is equipped it uses it, if my wand is equipped it fires
the wand. I believe you could enhance that macro so that after using
the spellstone, it equips the wand, that way if you are oom you can
just use (waste the cooldown) on the spellstone and then fire off the
wand. Outside of arena, I prefer the +stats and spell dmg of the wand,
even if I don't fire it often these days.
Later,
~Rehlow
Catriona R
Ooh yes, give firestones to rogues for those annoying mobs that are immune
to nature damage, so annoying when poisons end up useless!