Help please :( Death knight lv61 , i cant get back into ebon hold !?!?
I've Not got A plastic Screeened TV
get back into ebon hold !?!? theres nobody at the camp , have i missed
something i should do first ??? as i want to train my death knight anyone
know why ?!?!!? :(
Peter T.
Fishpie@f4yoursupper says...
Use your portal for ebon hold. You got it from one of the last DK
quests before you went to SW. Check your spellbook.
--
Peter T.
Robert
"I've Not got A plastic Screeened TV" <Fishpie@f4yoursupper> wrote in
message news:4a2a4357$0$31097$146...@news.usenetserver.com...
When I started a DK, I had no problems doing the Quest and other stuff, I
read the Quest text and do what it said, and I read the text from the quest
givers, and I got along fine, So I wondered when I "rolled" my DK, why so
many other people kept yelling "Where do I go?", "What do I do?", "Where is
So and SO?" and such, made me wonder if they had let a bunch of "new
players" that had never played WoW before in and started a DK, or did
players just forget how to read the quest text?
thank you
Robert
/DND I did not, there for I did...........................
Peter T.
williams...@bellsouth.net says...
> When I started a DK, I had no problems doing the Quest and other stuff, I
> read the Quest text and do what it said, and I read the text from the quest
> givers, and I got along fine, So I wondered when I "rolled" my DK, why so
> many other people kept yelling "Where do I go?", "What do I do?", "Where is
> So and SO?" and such, made me wonder if they had let a bunch of "new
> players" that had never played WoW before in and started a DK, or did
> players just forget how to read the quest text?
Everything is made so easy in WoW that even retards are able to play it.
I still remember the time when I had to visit an old lady in a hut in a
wood for getting a special recipe. Now you just enter the supermarket
in your local major city. A new player said in .trade a week or two
ago; "what is CC?" :(
--
Peter T.
Robert
"Peter T." <pin...@hotmail.GEBIScom> wrote in message
news:MPG.249536a6f...@news.tele.dk...
I know it's easy, but when WoLK first came out and everyone was "rolling"
DK's, you would thought that no one was able to read the quest text, and
follow what it says to do.
thank you
Robert
/dnd I'm too busy to help you.......
Steve Kaye
I miss CC. :( Now heroics aren't that much of a challenge IMO. You
get to 80 and then pretty much stop doing non-heroics - even the level
80 normal instances are hardly ever run.
My priest was able to craft gear with her tailoring and jewelcrafting to
gear up enough for heroics. My paladin was able to do the same except
he bought his gear. My DK had a little bit more work to do as he did a
bit of a rep grind to get some of his tanking set.
This is good in the sense that it gets over the problem that players who
came to level 70 late had. They had a problem gearing up because they
couldn't do level 70 normals and weren't geared enough for heroics but I
miss the progression from levelling instances to level 70 (80) instances
to heroics*. My tanking DK would have much rather done some level 80
instances before being forced to jump in at the deep end by tanking heroics.
* I don't miss the rep grind to get into heroics though :P
steve.kaye
--
Jengu - 80 Undead Death Knight Clokk - 72 Tauren Druid
Jelan - 80 Troll Priest Miho - 72 Blood Elf Rogue
Kibbs - 80 Blood Elf Paladin Jaille - 70 Blood Elf Warlock
C J Campbell
Well, I would expect a new player to ask what abbreviations mean. Heck,
it is not so long ago that I was a new player (less than a year). And
most of the stuff I do is still the first time I have to do it.
Consequently I waste a lot of time and gold trying to learn things that
other players know well. I still have to ask a lot of questions that
probably seem simple to some of the old hands. And I really appreciate
it when someone takes the time to tell me where SFK is instead of
telling me that I am an idiot.
It took me four months to learn that the game includes a map. No one
ever told me. Why would I know? It took me over a month just to learn
that there are talents. Now, I don't think I am particularly stupid. It
is just that some things in the game which are obvious to people who
have been playing awhile may not be so obvious to a newbie.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
Catriona R
>Well, I would expect a new player to ask what abbreviations mean. Heck,
>it is not so long ago that I was a new player (less than a year). And
>most of the stuff I do is still the first time I have to do it.
>Consequently I waste a lot of time and gold trying to learn things that
>other players know well. I still have to ask a lot of questions that
>probably seem simple to some of the old hands. And I really appreciate
>it when someone takes the time to tell me where SFK is instead of
>telling me that I am an idiot.
True, but I think a lot of us who've been around a long time forget that
not everyone knows the websites to look such things up on - my immediate
reaction on not knowing something isn't to ask on a general chat
channel, but to go to wowhead or wowwiki, and there's my answer within a
few clicks. Newbies don't know about these resources, but a lot of us
forget that.
>It took me four months to learn that the game includes a map. No one
>ever told me. Why would I know? It took me over a month just to learn
>that there are talents. Now, I don't think I am particularly stupid. It
>is just that some things in the game which are obvious to people who
>have been playing awhile may not be so obvious to a newbie.
Both of those things could be figured out via a little curiosity though:
"what does this button do?" - especially given that you might be
wondering why a new button appeared on your bar when you dinged lvl 10
;-) Only way you could easily miss that is by installing a mod which
hides those UI elements, which really isn't a good idea to be playing
with advanced mods when you're a total newbie.
--
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Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (80 Tauren Druid)
Buinne (74 Troll Shaman)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
Ruire (69 Blood Elf Paladin)
Pete B
You can't make a death knight until you have a level 55 character
Pete B
@hotmail.GEBIScom says...
How would they know until someone tells them?
Pete B
Portal or fly from lights hope
ald
wrote:
Portal meaning "Death Gate", I believe ;-)
--
ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com
Peter T.
christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
christophercam...@hotmail.com says...
> Well, I would expect a new player to ask what abbreviations mean. Heck,
> it is not so long ago that I was a new player (less than a year).
The issue is not about abbreviations. But it's more like how you play
the game today compared to yesterday. In TBC crowd control was crucial
for many instance runs no matter it was in normal or heroic mode (and
with that in mind crowd control wouldnt be a question, but rather an
answer as everybody would know the importance of CC). Today it's all
about dps, damage, rotations and a good tank and healer == fights are
very simple, logical and boring.
> It took me four months to learn that the game includes a map. No one
> ever told me. Why would I know? It took me over a month just to learn
> that there are talents.
I have the t-shirt. It has taken me +2 years to master the game and
most of the mechanics behind it. And I know I'm absolutely not the only
one. Welcome to the club. :)
--
Peter T.
Mark (newsgroups)
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-06-06 18:30:32 -0700, Peter T. <pino...@hotmail.GEBIScom> said:
[...]
> > Everything is made so easy in WoW that even retards are able to play it.
> > I still remember the time when I had to visit an old lady in a hut in a
> > wood for getting a special recipe. Now you just enter the supermarket
> > in your local major city. A new player said in .trade a week or two
> > ago; "what is CC?" :(
>
> Well, I would expect a new player to ask what abbreviations mean. Heck,
> it is not so long ago that I was a new player (less than a year). And
> most of the stuff I do is still the first time I have to do it.
> Consequently I waste a lot of time and gold trying to learn things that
> other players know well. I still have to ask a lot of questions that
> probably seem simple to some of the old hands. And I really appreciate
> it when someone takes the time to tell me where SFK is instead of
> telling me that I am an idiot.
>
> It took me four months to learn that the game includes a map. No one
> ever told me. Why would I know? It took me over a month just to learn
> that there are talents. Now, I don't think I am particularly stupid. It
> is just that some things in the game which are obvious to people who
> have been playing awhile may not be so obvious to a newbie.
Four months to realise there was a map? That sounds crazy. I am not
meaning this to be rude at all, but did you just immerse yourself in
the game without reading anything about it? Such as the manual, or
websites, or this group?
I just can't imagine going for four months without knowing about the
map, but on the other hand you must have got a really immersive feel
memorising the terrain to find your way around.
Dan
>It took me four months to learn that the game includes a map. No one
>ever told me. Why would I know? It took me over a month just to learn
>that there are talents. Now, I don't think I am particularly stupid. It
>is just that some things in the game which are obvious to people who
>have been playing awhile may not be so obvious to a newbie.
Did you turn off the 'tutorial help'? It pops up tips that tell you
all this stuff, each time you encounter something for the first
time. It certainly used to be on by default.
Dan
Lancelet
Did you finish the quest that send you to the king of Stormwind?
How did you get to Ebon hold? By "the camp", do you mean on the ground,
under the Acheron? Or inside it?
Jamie Kahn Genet
In-game help (the first time you do stuff) and the tip in the loading
screen (though that's random) also displays messages that point out the
map, talents, etc. But perhaps C J had turned in-game help off?
Otherwise... well, I'm not being rude, but you absolutely deserve some
good natured ribbing for this ;-)
That said I totally misused my hunter's pet for my first character, wore
the wrong gear, was clueless about instances and how to behave, and
generally stuffed _everything_ up at least once (and sometimes a lot
more) till about level 30.
Man - it was like level 10 before I worked out I could zoom the hell out
and actually see WTF I was going :-D
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
neithskye
> When I started a DK, I had no problems doing the Quest and other stuff, I
> read the Quest text and do what it said, and I read the text from the quest
> givers, and I got along fine, So I wondered when I "rolled" my DK, why so
> many other people kept yelling "Where do I go?", "What do I do?", "Where is
> So and SO?" and such, made me wonder if they had let a bunch of "new
> players" that had never played WoW before in and started a DK, or did
> players just forget how to read the quest text?
I think many people use quest helpers like, well, Quest Helper. I
wonder if it's possible that when DK quests first came out it hadn't
been updated yet, so people might have been lost. I have never used
any kind of quest addon as I enjoy reading quest text, but I
understand some of these addons really make it so simple, you never
have to read the quest text.
But I agree. I was at the Argent Tournament a few weeks ago when a
Paladin asked for help starting the whole process. I was lost too at
first so I helped her - go see this NPC, now see that one, now mount a
Hawkstrider. But it was when she whispered me to ask where to collect
those Winter flower things that gave me pause. The quest text clearly
states in Crystalsing Forest by the Ironwall Dam.
As I said in another post, I grouped recently with a level 80 DK
wearing Bone-Framed Bracers (healadin gear), a plate +spellpower hat,
a bunch of defense gear, and gemming for Spirit, spellpower and
Intellect. How does that even happen?
On the other hand, when I first started WoW, I was hopelessly lost.
Were it not for the fact that I have a co-worker who is a heavy raider
and who knew I was trying the game, and gave me gameplay tips and
names of sites like Thottbot, I'm fairly certain I would have given up
a long time ago.
--
Jill
Catriona R
>But I agree. I was at the Argent Tournament a few weeks ago when a
>Paladin asked for help starting the whole process. I was lost too at
>first so I helped her - go see this NPC, now see that one, now mount a
>Hawkstrider. But it was when she whispered me to ask where to collect
>those Winter flower things that gave me pause. The quest text clearly
>states in Crystalsing Forest by the Ironwall Dam.
I tend to think some people are just too stupid to read things and only
manage to level through use of crutch-type addons like Questhelper.
Would love it if those addons didn't exist - yeah I can see the uses of
them for people who've been there done that already, but when it gives
people easymode levelling so they don't even need to use their brain to
level, you end up with a lot of high level people with zero clue...
>As I said in another post, I grouped recently with a level 80 DK
>wearing Bone-Framed Bracers (healadin gear), a plate +spellpower hat,
>a bunch of defense gear, and gemming for Spirit, spellpower and
>Intellect. How does that even happen?
To be fair, spellpower is a reasonable assumption to make when you look
at all the skills dealing shadow or frost damage - it kinda defies logic
to *not* go for spellpower when you look only at the class abilities; I
had to look up on external sites to confirm what I'd read about it being
better to go for strength etc. Int and spirit however... uh, where's the
mana bar exactly? :-) Oh and my DK is wearing a couple of items with int
and mp5 on - they dropped in Ramparts and were an upgrade on what he had
before when I gemmed them right so :-P
>On the other hand, when I first started WoW, I was hopelessly lost.
>Were it not for the fact that I have a co-worker who is a heavy raider
>and who knew I was trying the game, and gave me gameplay tips and
>names of sites like Thottbot, I'm fairly certain I would have given up
>a long time ago.
I got most my information on this group - learned a heck of a lot here
from reading threads and asking questions, without all that I'd have
taken a lot longer to become competent, and maybe not ever become mouch
good at most things. I think a lot of new players could use some similar
resource, as it's a massive help to get tips from experienced players.
Nemesis
wrote:
> On Jun 6, 8:48 am, "Robert" <williamsrober...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > When I started a DK, I had no problems doing the Quest and other stuff, I
> > read the Quest text and do what it said, and I read the text from the quest
> > givers, and I got along fine, So I wondered when I "rolled" my DK, why so
> > many other people kept yelling "Where do I go?", "What do I do?", "Where is
> > So and SO?" and such, made me wonder if they had let a bunch of "new
> > players" that had never played WoW before in and started a DK, or did
> > players just forget how to read the quest text?
>
> I think many people use quest helpers like, well, Quest Helper. I
> wonder if it's possible that when DK quests first came out it hadn't
> been updated yet, so people might have been lost. I have never used
> any kind of quest addon as I enjoy reading quest text, but I
> understand some of these addons really make it so simple, you never
> have to read the quest text.
>
yet updated for the new material and it took a while before those were
updated. I rolled a DK the first week, and also alternated with my
hunter in Northrend so I didn't have extra info that I used to have
with the older stuff. If you were among the early players doing any
of this, there was no assistance from WoWhead nor Questhelper for any
of the new stuff.
PV
>I think many people use quest helpers like, well, Quest Helper. I
>wonder if it's possible that when DK quests first came out it hadn't
>been updated yet, so people might have been lost. I have never used
I knocked out my deathknight quests in an afternoon just to see what the
class looked like and to see the new content - other than finding light's
hope at the end (it is behind a bend in the road that you never explore
until that moment) I can't imagine how someone could get lost. All the
quests are confined to just a few tiny areas. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
John Gordon
> I can't imagine how someone could get lost.
When you're going through the questline, there's a flight point below
Ebon Hold that takes you up to it.
Once you complete the questline, that flight point goes away.
I'm guessing that the OP was riding around underneath Ebon Hold looking
for that flight point.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
Wombatt
PV
>> I can't imagine how someone could get lost.
>
>When you're going through the questline, there's a flight point below
>Ebon Hold that takes you up to it.
I was talking about during the questline, as I think some others were
saying. Not knowing about your demon portal is a different kind of dumb,
especially since you have to use it at one point.
If people wonder why the game seems dumb at times, it's because of this -
no matter how hard you try to make the training fun and comprehensive,
there will always be the occasional dumbass that ignores it, doesn't
understand it, or just plain demands that someone else do their thinking
for them. Sigh. *
slowly
"Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
news:1j10oxd.1srf9k2qk13koN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
> Man - it was like level 10 before I worked out I could zoom the hell out
> and actually see WTF I was going :-D
A guild mate admitted to me recently, that it took him to about level 40 to
realise there were other perspectives than looking down at your toon.
I was lucky in that my partner was familiar with the game and when I started
playing, he showed me a few tips and tricks. My biggest 'oohhh that's how
you do it' moment was figuring out how to swim to the entrance of ST when
dead. Alive it was no problem but took me ages to figure out the press both
mouse button thing.
ald
wrote:
>My biggest 'oohhh that's how
>you do it' moment was figuring out how to swim to the entrance of ST when
>dead. Alive it was no problem but took me ages to figure out the press both
>mouse button thing.
>
FWIW, I'm not sure it always worked like that. BFD was the first
instance I tried (and eventually, the first instance I gave up on
trying to solo ;-) ) and in that one, I and a couple guild mates who
had been playing even longer than I have had *serious* problems
getting through the water at the beginning. IIRC the solution at that
time was to look down, then move forward. I'm not sure that we *tried*
the double-mouse button thing, but I certainly do know that when I
discovered that it worked, I thought it was a *vast* improvement ;-)
Jamie Kahn Genet
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
> news:1j10oxd.1srf9k2qk13koN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> > Man - it was like level 10 before I worked out I could zoom the hell out
> > and actually see WTF I was going :-D
>
>
> A guild mate admitted to me recently, that it took him to about level 40 to
> realise there were other perspectives than looking down at your toon.
Shit, don't tell me he was zoomed in as well? *good natured laughter*
Damn! Some people really stick at something! It's inspiring! :-D
Jamie Kahn Genet
Oh man did that ever catch me out! I still have to rack my brain to
remember the two button click movement since it's needed so rarely :-D
Kilmir
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-06-06 18:30:32 -0700, Peter T. <pino...@hotmail.GEBIScom> said:
>
>
>
> > In article <uwtWl.51401$b9.50...@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> > williamsrober...@bellsouth.net says...
Small tip for *any* game you've never played before:
At start, go into options and look for keybindings. Just look through
them and see what's available.
It's a great way to figure out what options are available to you in an
fps (can I crouch, jump, wallhug, zoom, secondary fire mode?) and it's
amazingly effective to find the possible screens in rpg games.
Another thing that I can advice anyone is follow tutorials if
available and leave tips options on. For instance I know the vanilla
wow game had exclamation marks popping up and at least one of them
mentioned the map. And at level 10 you would have gotten an
exclamation mark that explained the talents. Quite often tutorials run
through all options even if not used much. Just to show you what's
around.
And last but not least just click stuff. Click buttons, click
pictures, click anything on the ui and see what it does. Hold shift,
alt or ctrl and click again if you think something could have another
function. This is basically valid for all types of games.
Pete B
@compuserve.com says...
But that sounds so spooky!
ald
wrote:
>In article <6p3p25hb88nkfghvt...@4ax.com>, 103175.3500
>@compuserve.com says...
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:33:23 +0200, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4a2a4357$0$31097$146...@news.usenetserver.com>,
>> >Fishpie@f4yoursupper says...
>> >> Ive returned to ebon hold for the first time since leaving there and i cant
>> >> get back into ebon hold !?!? theres nobody at the camp , have i missed
>> >> something i should do first ??? as i want to train my death knight anyone
>> >> know why ?!?!!? :(
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Portal or fly from lights hope
>>
>> Portal meaning "Death Gate", I believe ;-)
>
>But that sounds so spooky!
Unlike the DK's voice? ;-)
Flappein (EU Darkspear)
> i have no idea what CC or heroics are.
CC = crowd control (Mage can sheep, Rogues can sap, Pallies can stun
etc) - takes a moob out of the encounter making the fight easier.
Heroics = (Heroic = hard mode), hence a heroic dungeon is harder than
the orginal, and where/are intended for lvl capped players,
i.e Outland heroic dungeons scaled for lvl 70+ players, and Northrend
Heroics are re-designed for lvl 80. Old world dungeons don't have
heroic mode.
For example Hellfire Ramparts - normal mode lvl 60-62, heroic mode lvl
70+
Pete B
@compuserve.com says...
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:18:03 +0200, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6p3p25hb88nkfghvt...@4ax.com>, 103175.3500
> >@compuserve.com says...
> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:33:23 +0200, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <4a2a4357$0$31097$146...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> >> >Fishpie@f4yoursupper says...
> >> >> Ive returned to ebon hold for the first time since leaving there and i cant
> >> >> get back into ebon hold !?!? theres nobody at the camp , have i missed
> >> >> something i should do first ??? as i want to train my death knight anyone
> >> >> know why ?!?!!? :(
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Portal or fly from lights hope
> >>
> >> Portal meaning "Death Gate", I believe ;-)
> >
> >But that sounds so spooky!
>
> Unlike the DK's voice? ;-)
I'm the strong silent type ;)
C J Campbell
It took me even longer -- Macs have only one button mice. Even the
Mighty Mouse does not allow you to press both left and right "buttons"
simultaneously. Eventually I found that pressing the scroll button did
the trick.
Now I use a WoW mouse, though.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
C J Campbell
That is how I eventually found the map and solved several other
problems as well. I did not know about the key bindings until then,
either.
>
> Another thing that I can advice anyone is follow tutorials if
> available and leave tips options on. For instance I know the vanilla
> wow game had exclamation marks popping up and at least one of them
> mentioned the map. And at level 10 you would have gotten an
> exclamation mark that explained the talents. Quite often tutorials run
> through all options even if not used much. Just to show you what's
> around.
I am not sure what happened to the tutorials. They told me how to kill
my first mob, how to pick up quests, how to use the mini-map, but they
suddenly stopped and I did not know how to get them back.
>
> And last but not least just click stuff. Click buttons, click
> pictures, click anything on the ui and see what it does. Hold shift,
> alt or ctrl and click again if you think something could have another
> function. This is basically valid for all types of games.
That is how I learned 90% of what I do in WoW.
C J Campbell
Genet) said:
I will accept all the good-natured ribbing you guys can dish out.
It is possible I accidentally turned in-game help off, because it
disappeared almost immediately. I never saw anything about the map or
talents.
I still make dumb mistakes, but they are the sort of dumb mistakes I
see posted here all the time. My latest dumb mistake was accepting
Champions Writs in payment for Argent Tournament quests even though I
was already exalted with all five racial factions. :-( That was the
last straw. OS X allows me to have multiple desktops, even with WoW
running in full screen mode. Safari opened to Wowhead now sits on a
second desktop the whole time I am playing WoW.
Rob Wynne
> see posted here all the time. My latest dumb mistake was accepting
> Champions Writs in payment for Argent Tournament quests even though I
> was already exalted with all five racial factions. :-( That was the
> last straw. OS X allows me to have multiple desktops, even with WoW
> running in full screen mode. Safari opened to Wowhead now sits on a
> second desktop the whole time I am playing WoW.
>
I made that mistake too. Don't feel too bad.
--
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http://www.autographedcat.com/ / http://autographedcat.livejournal.com/
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PV
>It took me even longer -- Macs have only one button mice. Even the
Pft. My mac has an 11 button mouse. There is one use for the mouse that
comes with a mac - to take up space in a drawer someplace. *
ald
wrote:
>In article <g61135l1notnkljbh...@4ax.com>, 103175.3500
>@compuserve.com says...
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:18:03 +0200, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6p3p25hb88nkfghvt...@4ax.com>, 103175.3500
>> >@compuserve.com says...
>> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:33:23 +0200, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <4a2a4357$0$31097$146...@news.usenetserver.com>,
>> >> >Fishpie@f4yoursupper says...
>> >> >> Ive returned to ebon hold for the first time since leaving there and i cant
>> >> >> get back into ebon hold !?!? theres nobody at the camp , have i missed
>> >> >> something i should do first ??? as i want to train my death knight anyone
>> >> >> know why ?!?!!? :(
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>> >> >Portal or fly from lights hope
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>> >> Portal meaning "Death Gate", I believe ;-)
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>> >But that sounds so spooky!
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>> Unlike the DK's voice? ;-)
>
>I'm the strong silent type ;)
So am I, but *other* DKs, ... ;-)