Conspiracy on the WoW forum?
Apoptygma
profile I found somewhere, to the offical WoW boards and had both the
OP and the "why did you delete my OP" post removed. Oh well, their
loss. I won't persist. Instead I'll share with you lot what I think
has to be the most crazy WoW player of all time
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aerie+Peak&n=Salvas
Anyone want to take a crack at guessing how much they play?
How do you kill that which has no life?
Moosen
Meh, he just plays in a good guild that has done a lot of Naxx 25
running. Nothing incredibly wild about his gear. Not much different
than someone from a good guild who was all decked out in Karazhan gear
a couple months after BC came out. It's actually easier to get geared
up fast like that in Naxx 25, because of the number of drops from each
boss, and the large, frequently-redundant loot tables are far superior
to what was available in Kara.
As for why your post was removed, I don't know for sure, but I'd guess
their forum managers have some policy against yanking any particular
player's armory link out of the database and posting it there for
applause/ridicule/whatever- especially if that is the only point of
your post. Makes sense. If you did that, and especially if you did it
while saying such things as "this guy is the most crazy WoW player of
all time, he must have no life, etc...", as would be indicated by your
comments above... well, I think I'd agree what the forum managers did
was right.
yoj...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:38:27 -0800 (PST), Apoptygma
>
> >I tried a couple of times today to post a link to this amazing armory
> >profile I found somewhere, to the offical WoW boards and had both the
> >OP and the "why did you delete my OP" post removed. Oh well, their
> >loss. I won't persist. Instead I'll share with you lot what I think
> >has to be the most crazy WoW player of all time
>
> >http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aerie+Peak&n=Salvas
>
> >Anyone want to take a crack at guessing how much they play?
>
> >How do you kill that which has no life?
>
> Meh, he just plays in a good guild that has done a lot of Naxx 25
> running. Nothing incredibly wild about his gear. Not much different
> than someone from a good guild who was all decked out in Karazhan gear
> a couple months after BC came out. It's actually easier to get geared
> up fast like that in Naxx 25, because of the number of drops from each
> boss, and the large, frequently-redundant loot tables are far superior
> to what was available in Kara.
I don't think the gear was the point. It was the 6430 achievement
points to date. That IS substantial...
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
9fe40b33-f251-47af...@13g2000yql.googlegroups.com :
50.000+ honor kills, the achievements accomplished, especially the
feats of strength! - and the reputations.
And!
"Thomas Hejl Pilgaard" <pilg...@tele2adsl.dk.dk> wrote in message
news:0080ea72$0$30086$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Look at his reputation tab, now that didn't happen overnight.
Rob Wynne
>> 50.000+ honor kills, the achievements accomplished, especially the
>> feats of strength! - and the reputations.
>>
>
> Look at his reputation tab, now that didn't happen overnight.
>
Sure, and it's entirely possible this is some sort of spastic loser living
in his parent's basement and living on Cheetos and Mountain Dew.
But it's just as likely to be a young mother with an infant who plays WoW
to give her some adult interaction during the day while her husband is at
work and she's home taking care of the kid, as is the case with one of my
guildies.
There's over 10 million folks playing this game. You don't draw 10 million
people from any single demographic.
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Josh
>
It is not the most collected nor is it all that impressive if the
player had accumulated most of those Honorable Kills and reputation
gains when the particular reputations were current.
Catriona R
There's people with over 7k acheivement points though, that's even
higher - no idea how anyone manages to reach that many tbh, I'm on 4.1k!
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Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
6sh45nF...@mid.individual.net :
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:54:30 -0800 (PST), yoj...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6, 12:25 am, Moosen <nos...@buhbye.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:38:27 -0800 (PST), Apoptygma
>>>
>>> <apopty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I tried a couple of times today to post a link to this amazing
>>>> armory profile I found somewhere, to the offical WoW boards and
>>>> had both the OP and the "why did you delete my OP" post removed.
>>>> Oh well, their loss. I won't persist. Instead I'll share with you
>>>> lot what I think has to be the most crazy WoW player of all time
>>>
>>>> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aerie+Peak&n=Salvas
>>>
>>>> Anyone want to take a crack at guessing how much they play?
>>>
>>>> How do you kill that which has no life?
>>>
>>> Meh, he just plays in a good guild that has done a lot of Naxx 25
>>> running. Nothing incredibly wild about his gear. Not much different
>>> than someone from a good guild who was all decked out in Karazhan
>>> gear a couple months after BC came out. It's actually easier to get
>>> geared up fast like that in Naxx 25, because of the number of drops
>>> from each boss, and the large, frequently-redundant loot tables are
>>> far superior to what was available in Kara.
>>
>> I don't think the gear was the point. It was the 6430 achievement
>> points to date. That IS substantial...
>
> There's people with over 7k acheivement points though, that's even
> higher - no idea how anyone manages to reach that many tbh, I'm on
> 4.1k!
Sure - but how many people can claim the combination of honor kills,
reputations and achievements - PARTICULARLY the feats of strength?
As far as the FoS goes - only one person per server.
And among THAT small group of people, how many has the reputations
that this guy has, and the amount of honor kills?
Even fewer.
I'm not trying to argue that he has no life. Only a moron presents
such an argument from this data.
I'm simply arguing that there is reason to take notice.
lcpltom
Exactly. The game is over 4 years old, and there is no reason not to
believe this character has existed for those 4 years. A lot of
achievements were retroactive. If you completed a certain quest or
had a certain item in your inventory or bank, you would get the
achievement without having to go back and do it all over again.
And you can't tell the reason someone plays just based on their
achievement points. Sure, its entirely possible this player has no
life. Its also entirely possible hes a bedridden cancer patient who
can't do much physical activity, or extremely efficient in his play
time, playing only a few hours a night but still managing to
accomplish so much.
Beyond that, I question the life of the OP. Sure, the player he posts
about could be spending every free moment he has playing WoW, but what
kind of person browses the armory just looking for someones character
to make fun of? What kind of person can't see why posting someone's
armory profile on the official forums in order to make fun of them
can't figure out why the posts get removed?
Eddy
O grow up will ya, we all play the game the average time played for a
wow player is over 11 hours a week. Don't uses someone else to make
yourself feel better about playing the game as much as you probably do
yourself.
lcpltom
wrote:
> Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> declared in:
> 6sh45nF5uk2...@mid.individual.net :
Not all FoS are only 1 player per server. Some of them revolve around
other server firsts, such as taking part in the server first kill of
25-man Kel'Thuzad. Obviously, 25 players can claim that FoS.
Other FoS involve doing something that is only available for a limited
time. For example, getting the Tabard of the Argent Dawn during the
scourge invasion event was a FoS. The 2008 Spirit of Competition non-
combat pet was another. The 2007 and 2008 brewfest mugs are another
one.
neithskye
> But it's just as likely to be a young mother with an infant who plays WoW
> to give her some adult interaction during the day while her husband is at
> work and she's home taking care of the kid.
I, um, know a girl whose father died suddenly in 2002 on Father's Day
at 62. Instead of celebrating the day with him, she was writing his
obituary.
While browsing download.com later for a pop-up blocker during one of
the many sleepless nights she stumbled across Diablo, which led to
Diablo 2: LoD.
She doesn't drink or do drugs, and had no sedatives, and D2 served as
a distraction for a very, very long time during the long, long nights
when anyone she could talk to was asleep and she thought she'd
collapse from the grief.
If D2 has achievements, I'm sure she would have accomplished many of
them.
--
Jill
Thomas Jespersen
"Apoptygma" <apop...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I tried a couple of times today to post a link to this amazing armory
> profile I found somewhere, to the offical WoW boards and had both the
> OP and the "why did you delete my OP" post removed. Oh well, their
> loss. I won't persist. Instead I'll share with you lot what I think
Naming and Shaming:
Daily offense on the official forums (especially the realm forums)
PS: Tinyurl links to wow-europe.com. Use http://longurl.org/ to verify
tinyurl's.
MadManMoo
Wow.
I think many people would have a similar story. I know I do.
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
379350b7-9f05-4421...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com :
I know that, of course.
But the fact remains - only one person per server can have the FoS that
this person has.
Yeechang Lee
> > I don't think the gear was the point. It was the 6430 achievement
> > points to date. That IS substantial...
>
> 50.000+ honor kills, the achievements accomplished, especially the
> feats of strength! - and the reputations.
Yes, the combination of the various achievements (not just
Achievements) for this Salvas of Aerie Peak EU is both astounding and
frightening.
He (almost certainly a male in real life; you know it and I know it)
has, on one character:
* Almost 53K honorable kills. (Highest pre-2.0 PvP title is merely
Knight, though, he's nowhere close to finishing the Battlemaster
achievement, and his arena rating is below 1600, so he's not
exceptional at PvPing; just very, very, very persistent.)
* Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian.
* The single highest-scoring gearset of any player on his server,
according to ArmoryLite
(<URL:http://armorylite.com/eu/Aerie+Peak/salvas>).
* Realm firsts for hitting 80, 450 first aid, heroic Naxxramas, heroic
Sartharion, and heroic Malygos.
* Maxed-out Exalted with every Alliance race and PvP faction, Valiance
Expedition, the majority of classic factions, every Outland faction
(whether tied to instances or not), every Northrend faction (whether
tied to tabards or not), almost every other Alliance faction
including Wintersaber Trainers, Timbermaw, Zandalar, and Shen'dralar
(One I'd never even heard of before, and I've played this game for
four years this month!). He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
and *he's a priest*!!! 46 total Exalted factions. (With all that I'm
genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail Admiral, too.)
* The achievements for 50 mounts and 25 tabards and 50 minipets and 25
alcoholic drinks and 50 dishes and Well Read (>40 books that
randomly spawn all over the world) and two-drakes Sartharion and
lots, lots, lots more I'm leaving out.
I did a quick comparison with the mage on my server who is well known
for first having hit both 70 and 80, and who is part of the
furthest-along server in Northrend (they got three-drakes Sartharion
25 yesterday). She has half the honorable kills, only one Exalted race
reputation (not her native one, oddly enough; I guess she wanted its
mount), is "only" 20th gearwise on our server (I'm about 120th)
according to Armorylite, etc.
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Shimrod
> But it's just as likely to be a young mother with an infant who plays
> WoW to give her some adult interaction during the day while her husband
> is at work and she's home taking care of the kid, as is the case with
> one of my guildies.
We have a winner, folks! I've been guilded with at least 6 women over the
years in that exact situation. All of them had multiple max level
characters. I could see all that time being devoted to one character.
Better than watching day-time TV...anything is better than that!
Shimrod
Apoptygma
>
> We have a winner, folks! I've been guilded with at least 6 women over the
> years in that exact situation. All of them had multiple max level
> characters. I could see all that time being devoted to one character.
> Better than watching day-time TV...anything is better than that!
>
> Shimrod
Sorry but you can't raid Naxx40 with a toddler running around the
house. You aren't likly to get some 50,000 kills in PvP in the same
situation either.
Leechang can't honestly be the only person on the same page as me
here, this player is a freak of nature or 2-3 people working in
shifts. I've spoken with a number of players about the potential to do
all that this person has done and in the timeframe they have done it.
Think about it, Achievements have only existed since the 12th of Dec
2008 AFAIK and this player has just about every feasible one. Look at
the individual requirements of some of them!
Looted 5500+ gold. I know for fact that counter only started less than
a month ago.
50+ mounts. One could assume they collected them prior to the
achievement but who would?
Quests - They have done every quest in the game it seems
Raids - While still managing to complete every raid in the game
Dungeons - And all of these, very few are retroactive, I got credit
for about 10 myself despite having run them all
516 Emblems of heroism - That's a lot for someone who spends time with
achievements
Skills - They have top end fishing, cooking, first aid.. retroactive i
know, but still. more time used
Feats of strength - these show this person to be the first level 80 in
multiple categories, and part of the first kill for a hand full of
raids in WotLK
And the killer is of course the Reputations. The only way to top this
player would be to have a bloodsail hat I think.
If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
Apoptygma
> Beyond that, I question the life of the OP. Sure, the player he posts
> about could be spending every free moment he has playing WoW, but what
> kind of person browses the armory just looking for someones character
> to make fun of? What kind of person can't see why posting someone's
> armory profile on the official forums in order to make fun of them
> can't figure out why the posts get removed?
I found the link to the profile on a message board somewhere, no need
to flame me for re-posting it.
Brent Stroh
>If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
>being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
Or maybe I don't find it necessary to critique how others spend their free
time?
-Brent
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Relikag - Warrior (6)
yoj...@gmail.com
> If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
> being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
I agree. Anyone attempting to undermine or downplay these achievements
is either jealous, or unable/unwilling to truly understand what it
took to accomplish them. They are truly amazing. I'd like to see the /
played...
Catriona R
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:29:12 -0800 (PST), Apoptygma <apop...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Sorry but you can't raid Naxx40 with a toddler running around the
>house. You aren't likly to get some 50,000 kills in PvP in the same
>situation either.
50k kills over 4 years? Hmm... well I'm on 16k in one year, not being a
heavy pvper (hardly been in a BG since 3.0 hit so in reality the 16k was
in 9 months, during which time I spent lots of time on other things
too). Doesn't seem that hard.
>Leechang can't honestly be the only person on the same page as me
>here, this player is a freak of nature or 2-3 people working in
>shifts. I've spoken with a number of players about the potential to do
>all that this person has done and in the timeframe they have done it.
>Think about it, Achievements have only existed since the 12th of Dec
>2008 AFAIK and this player has just about every feasible one. Look at
>the individual requirements of some of them!
I'd say they're dedicated yes, but wouldn't say it's impossible.
>Looted 5500+ gold. I know for fact that counter only started less than
>a month ago.
You do? 3.0 came on October 14th, so... nearly 3 months ago since
acheivements came in, which is when the counter started. Oh and it's
actually quite easy to get cash to drop by doing old high-end content -
a couple of my guildies regularly duo ZG and get about 300g each out of
it...
>50+ mounts. One could assume they collected them prior to the
>achievement but who would?
Lots of people got that acheivement the day 3.0 came out - I saw several
albino drakes around Shatt the first day, got my own not long after when
I finished my repgrinds. Anyone who bothered to work on reputation
pretty much gets that one thrown in for free.
>Quests - They have done every quest in the game it seems
Yep, great thing to do combined with working on reputation - I too have
done all quest acheivements aside from 2 speed-related ones that I'm a
bit lacking in skill/luck on, and one faction-related because I didn't
switch faction until a few days ago)
>Raids - While still managing to complete every raid in the game
Which is hardly difficult given there were tons of raids going to
oldworld content at 70, and nowadays it only takes a handful of people
to do the lvl 60 stuff. I have not personally done that, simply because
I never liked large raids, but if we run some 5-10 man groups to the
outland raids anytime I'll be getting those. Anybody who actually likes
large raids would have no trouble getting those acheivements, since
Sunwell got so much easier with 3.0.
>Dungeons - And all of these, very few are retroactive, I got credit
>for about 10 myself despite having run them all
I was missing credit for most since this was not my original main, but
seriously, if anyone is an original pre-TBC character, it'd be
surprising for them *not* to have credit for most immediately, given
there's quests for most.
>516 Emblems of heroism - That's a lot for someone who spends time with
>achievements
Ok, I'll give you that; I'm on 259... but then I have had about 2 weeks
out of the game between xmas holidays and illness.
>Skills - They have top end fishing, cooking, first aid.. retroactive i
>know, but still. more time used
>Feats of strength - these show this person to be the first level 80 in
>multiple categories, and part of the first kill for a hand full of
>raids in WotLK
>
>And the killer is of course the Reputations. The only way to top this
>player would be to have a bloodsail hat I think.
>
>If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
>being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
I'm certainly impressed, but there's a difference between impressed and
overly critical, which is how some comments are sounding - the "omg he
must have no life" attitude is one that gets old fast.
ald
Funny, I know the same girl, at least online and from newsgroups. She
was even in my guild for a short time ;-)
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ald
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Rob Wynne
> If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
> being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
No one is saying they aren't impressed. Some of us object to the notion
that or a person to have done this, they must be some sort of basement
dwelling loser.
Lancelet
> * Maxed-out Exalted with every Alliance race and PvP faction, Valiance
> Expedition, the majority of classic factions, every Outland faction
> (whether tied to instances or not), every Northrend faction (whether
> tied to tabards or not), almost every other Alliance faction
> including Wintersaber Trainers, Timbermaw, Zandalar, and Shen'dralar
> (One I'd never even heard of before, and I've played this game for
> four years this month!).
The Shen'dralar are the elves of Dire Maul. There is quest for every class
(a book you have to give them). You can improve your rep by doing the old
libram quests, but I guess it will require a lot of librams. Doing the
Quel'Serrar quest give rep, too, IIRC, but since he is a priest, I don't
think he would be able to do it.
> He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
I thought you were only able to get honored on Ravenholdt by killing
syndicate guys. When was this changed?
Catriona R
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:10:54 +0100 (CET), Lancelet
<lancele...@merci.invalid> wrote:
>Yeechang Lee <yl...@pobox.com> wrote in news:slrngm7ub...@pobox.com:
>> He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
>
>I thought you were only able to get honored on Ravenholdt by killing
>syndicate guys. When was this changed?
There's always been a repeatable quest for Ravenholdt to hand in
junkboxes. They can only be pickpocketed by rogues, but aren't bop, so
anyone not a rogue who wants exalted with them needs a rogue alt or very
good friend who's a rogue... but it's possible and has been for a long
time (long before Syndicate mobs gave rep)
Eddy
> Apoptygma <apop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
>> being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
>
> No one is saying they aren't impressed. Some of us object to the notion
> that or a person to have done this, they must be some sort of basement
> dwelling loser.
>
YOUR life worthwhile, but.... if you are happy emotionally in what you
are doing which the owner of the account must be or they would not be
doing it, would that not constitute have a happy and fulfilled life for
them at least.
All this you don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend, go outside loser that is
seen in game, only leads me to feel sorry for the name callers as they
are the one which look to have something missing from their life or
don't feel fulfilled in gemeral, as they have to tread on others to make
themselves happy.
PhilHibbs
> (With all that I'm
> genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail Admiral, too.)
I'm not - Bloodsail rep is really annoying, for one thing it prevents
you from being able to claim CCG items like the Turtle mount unless
you kill something like 40,000 mobs for 1 rep each to repair your
Booty Bay rep without also losing Bloodsail rep. I don't know if you
lose the title if you do the cloth thing, but I'd expect so.
Hoofu, 80 tauren shaman, Argent Dawn (EU)
lcpltom
> Sorry but you can't raid Naxx40 with a toddler running around the
> house. You aren't likly to get some 50,000 kills in PvP in the same
> situation either.
> Leechang can't honestly be the only person on the same page as me
> here, this player is a freak of nature or 2-3 people working in
> shifts. I've spoken with a number of players about the potential to do
> all that this person has done and in the timeframe they have done it.
> Think about it, Achievements have only existed since the 12th of Dec
> 2008 AFAIK and this player has just about every feasible one. Look at
> the individual requirements of some of them!
>
The patch that introduced achievements went live before WotLK. Since
WotLK came out mid November, the patch came out late Oct/early Nov. I
forget the exact date, but definitely not Dec 12th.
Next up, a lot of achievements are retroactive. The first time you
signed on after downlading 3.0.2 there would have been a flood of
achievements added to your character based on quests you've completed
or items you've had in your inventory or factions you've grinded and
what not. All those achievements for getting exalted with various
factions could have been done pre-patch. Considering a bulk of the
factions in the game existed before WotLK, and very few were added
with WotLK, reputation achievements aren't much of a surprise. He had
4 years to grind those reputations, so not a small window of time.
Other achievements were also retroactive. For Azeroth dungeon
achievements, a lot of them are tied to just killing the final boss,
not all the bosses in the dungeon. If there was a quest to kill the
final boss of a dungeon and he completed that quest, or if he had an
item in his inventory that drops only from that boss, he would have
gotten that achievement. Not to mention, in the 2 weeks between the
patch and the release of the expansion, there was a flurry of players
running old Azeroth dungeons and raids for achievements, which would
have made it very easy for him to go back and grab anything he didn't
automatically get achievements for.
> Looted 5500+ gold. I know for fact that counter only started less than
> a month ago.
The counter started when the patch was released, again, late Oct/early
Nov.
> 50+ mounts. One could assume they collected them prior to the
> achievement but who would?
Some players did, but not many. Still, even if he waited till the
patch came out to buy all those mounts, he likely had already done all
the work for them. Being exalted with all those factions would have
opened up a lot of mounts for him to buy.
> Quests - They have done every quest in the game it seems
If they started playing the game when it was released 4 years ago, it
would have been very easy to have completed all the Azeroth quests in
the 2 years before TBC was released. Then with TBC, he had another 2
years to do all those quests.
> Raids - While still managing to complete every raid in the game
> Dungeons - And all of these, very few are retroactive, I got credit
> for about 10 myself despite having run them all
Again, you need to have done something that can be tracked and
fulfills the achievement. Having a BoP item that drops only from a
specific boss is enough to fulfill the achievement. Completing a non-
daily quest to kill that boss also counts. If you've never done a non-
daily quest to kill an old boss, or you never got, or deleted, a BoP
item from a boss, you don't get retroactive credit. Considering he
completed so many quests in the game, it wouldn't be surprising if he
got a lot of these retroactively. And again, with the flurry of
players running old stuff following the patch release, it wouldn't
have been hard for him to quickly pick up some of the stuff he didn't
get.
> 516 Emblems of heroism - That's a lot for someone who spends time with
> achievements
That is a lot, and definitely a better measure of how much he plays
than how many achievements he has. But since these are Northrend
heroic dungeon drops, I doubt he has spent much time focusing on
achievements while getting these. Hes just run a lot of dungeons.
> Skills - They have top end fishing, cooking, first aid.. retroactive i
> know, but still. more time used
The achievements for getting the top training in fishing, cooking, and
first aid is ridiculously easy. You take a boat/zep to Northrend, you
get off, you talk to the trainer, you get the achievement. To my
knowledge there is no achievement for actually skilling up to 450,
just for getting the training that allows you to get to 450.
> Feats of strength - these show this person to be the first level 80 in
> multiple categories, and part of the first kill for a hand full of
> raids in WotLK
>
Still not a good measure of how much he really plays. For all we
know, all this means is that following release of the expansion, him
and his guild power leveled to 80 and started in on raids. He may
have spent a week or 2 playing nearly all day. This is not a good
measure of how much he has actually played, only how much he played in
the days following the release of the expansion.
> And the killer is of course the Reputations. The only way to top this
> player would be to have a bloodsail hat I think.
>
Not entirely a great achievement to have so many factions at exalted.
If hes been playing for the past 4 years, he had 2 years to grind rep
with Azeroth factions. Some of those factions were quite hard to
grind rep with, but if he did those factions back when they were
relevant, then its really no surprise. Then he had another 2 years to
grind rep with Outland factions. Even I got exalted with almost all
of the Outland factions, and I started a new character several months
after TBC came out, so by the time I got back to Outland I had about a
6 month deficit compared to what other players had. Of the 5 factions
I didn't get exalted with, one was Aldor, which was because I chose
Scryer. Two more were the factions associated with the T6 raids,
since I never got to run those raids. The last 2, Thrallmar and Lower
City, was because I ran very few HFC or Auchindoun dungeons, and those
2 factions don't have any repeatable quests (Thrallmar has the quest
to capture the towers, but at only 150 rep per turn in, it wasn't
worth it).
> If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
> being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
Its definitely impressive, but nothing but the Emblems of Heroism
count is really indicative of how much he really plays.
lcpltom
Given your prior post, are you even a WoW player? If you are a
player, are you a college student that doesn't play during semesters?
I can't really think of any way a WoW player would have thought the
patch came out Dec 12th, which conveniently lines up with the end of
college fall semester.
steve.kaye
Apart from the Emblems of Heroism and the server firsts I'm sure that
I could have done most of the things listed in your post. I have 6
characters at level 70 or higher, another at level 60, 3 in the 50s
and one in the high 40s. Most of those have two professions (plus
first aid which is always maxed out on all my alts) at 360+ or max for
their level for the lower level alts or more and one has all 5
profession slots to 375 or higher. Had I put all that time into one
character then it would probably acheived a lot.
Looking at Catriona's sig, I'm sure she could have too. :P
steve.kaye
yoj...@gmail.com
> On Jan 7, 12:29 am, Apoptygma <apopty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry but you can't raid Naxx40 with a toddler running around the
> > house. You aren't likly to get some 50,000 kills in PvP in the same
> > situation either.
> > Leechang can't honestly be the only person on the same page as me
> > here, this player is a freak of nature or 2-3 people working in
> > shifts. I've spoken with a number of players about the potential to do
> > all that this person has done and in the timeframe they have done it.
> > Think about it, Achievements have only existed since the 12th of Dec
> > 2008 AFAIK and this player has just about every feasible one. Look at
> > the individual requirements of some of them!
>
> The patch that introduced achievements went live before WotLK. Since
> WotLK came out mid November, the patch came out late Oct/early Nov. I
> forget the exact date, but definitely not Dec 12th.
10/15/08 I think was the U.S. date...
> Next up, a lot of achievements are retroactive. The first time you
> signed on after downlading 3.0.2 there would have been a flood of
> achievements added to your character based on quests you've completed
> or items you've had in your inventory or factions you've grinded and
> what not.
I was actually underwhelmed by my credited achievements when I first
logged in to 3.0. Two and a half years of pretty consistent playing,
and only ~1200 achievement points. I have since tripled that number.
So the bulk of their achievements may have been retroactive, they may
not have.
> Other achievements were also retroactive. For Azeroth dungeon
> achievements, a lot of them are tied to just killing the final boss,
> not all the bosses in the dungeon. If there was a quest to kill the
> final boss of a dungeon and he completed that quest,
This is true.
> or if he had an item in his inventory that drops only from that boss, he would have
> gotten that achievement.
This is absolutely false. The retroactive achievement credits were
only gauged by quest completion, and not possessed loot. I found this
out the hard way when I was not credited with AQ20, even though I had
the Leggings of the Black Blizzard off of Ossirian. Ditto for Onyxia
and the T2 helm.
lcpltom
Its possible then that they didn't cover all boss drops. I know there
was an achievement I got because I was wearing an item that only
dropped from a boss. I'm pretty sure it was the heroic mana tombs
achievement. I know I never did a non-daily quest for heroic mana
tombs, so the only way I could have gotten the achievement was through
having the item.
yoj...@gmail.com
Hmmm... weird. The only 4 heroics I got credit for when 3.0 hit were
the 4 required for the Trials of Naaru. I actually tried equipping
gear (i.e., Quag's eye, the black stalk) to see if that would trip the
achievement, but it didn't. Maybe you actually had to have had the
specific gear equipped when you logged into 3.0 for the first time,
but that just seems really weird...
Rob Wynne
> Hmmm... weird. The only 4 heroics I got credit for when 3.0 hit were
> the 4 required for the Trials of Naaru. I actually tried equipping
> gear (i.e., Quag's eye, the black stalk) to see if that would trip the
> achievement, but it didn't. Maybe you actually had to have had the
> specific gear equipped when you logged into 3.0 for the first time,
> but that just seems really weird...
Nope. I didn't get credit for Zul'Aman, even though I was wielding the
Ancient Amani Longbow at the time (I didn't replace it until level 77, when
I finished the Nesingwary chain...)
yoj...@gmail.com
> Thomas Hejl Pilgaard wrote:
> > > I don't think the gear was the point. It was the 6430 achievement
> > > points to date. That IS substantial...
>
> > 50.000+ honor kills, the achievements accomplished, especially the
> > feats of strength! - and the reputations.
>
> Yes, the combination of the various achievements (not just
> Achievements) for this Salvas of Aerie Peak EU is both astounding and
> frightening.
>
> He (almost certainly a male in real life; you know it and I know it)
> has, on one character:
>
> * Almost 53K honorable kills. (Highest pre-2.0 PvP title is merely
> Knight, though, he's nowhere close to finishing the Battlemaster
> achievement, and his arena rating is below 1600, so he's not
> exceptional at PvPing; just very, very, very persistent.)
Agree. I have 40K across 3 toons, nothing spectacular. As you put it,
more a sign of longevity than anything else.
> * Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian.
This, to me, is amazing. I've never seen or heard of a player that has
attained this, on any of the 4 servers I have played on. Now it's
possible that his guild colluded to get him the staff ASAP, and hence
gave him the first 40 splinters that dropped, but then again, it's
possible they didn't. Also, since the majority of this had to be done
in Naxx 40 (which doesn't exist anymore), it had to have occurred some
time ago.
> * The single highest-scoring gearset of any player on his server,
> according to ArmoryLite
> (<URL:http://armorylite.com/eu/Aerie+Peak/salvas>).
Impressive by itself, but more impressive when you consider that they
built the realm best gear set in conjunction with everything else they
were doing simultaneously.
> * Realm firsts for hitting 80, 450 first aid, heroic Naxxramas, heroic
> Sartharion, and heroic Malygos.
Could have been (and probably was) a big guild push for 1-2 weeks.
> * Maxed-out Exalted with every Alliance race and PvP faction, Valiance
> Expedition, the majority of classic factions, every Outland faction
> (whether tied to instances or not), every Northrend faction (whether
> tied to tabards or not), almost every other Alliance faction
> including Wintersaber Trainers, Timbermaw, Zandalar, and Shen'dralar
> (One I'd never even heard of before, and I've played this game for
> four years this month!). He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
> and *he's a priest*!!! 46 total Exalted factions. (With all that I'm
> genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail Admiral, too.)
This, along with Atiesh, is the most impressive to me. I think a lot
of people were spoiled by BC/Wrath, and don't realize what it takes to
raise some reputations to exalted. Some, like the Brood of Nozdormu,
start out at 0/36000 hated. That's a TON of silithid carapaces to
grind out, just to even be able to talk to Anachronos at neutral.
Again, 46 exalted reputations is astounding...
Brian Westley
>On Jan 7, 7:15=A0am, lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
>> or if he had an item in his inventory that drops only from that boss, he =
>would have
>> gotten that achievement.
>This is absolutely false. The retroactive achievement credits were
>only gauged by quest completion, and not possessed loot. I found this
>out the hard way when I was not credited with AQ20, even though I had
>the Leggings of the Black Blizzard off of Ossirian. Ditto for Onyxia
>and the T2 helm.
Retroactive credit for winning the STV contest by having the fishing
rod or trinket was eventually added in beta, given the 1-winner-per-week
limit. But that's an exception, and it was added in beta after players
complained that they didn't want to have to win it yet again.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
lcpltom
We had a few people on my realm get Ateish before Naxx40 was removed.
I mentioned in other posts of a guild that organized Naxx runs,
sending out invitations to whoever wanted in. They put stipulations
on gear though. If you had nearly a complete set of T3 gear, you got
priority when it came to getting the pieces you didn't have yet. I
lost out on my T3 helm because of this. There were only 3 warlocks in
the group. When the helm dropped, they sent out the call to roll on
it. I won the roll, but then one of the other warlocks (who had just
lost the roll) spoke up and said he was 7/9, so the helm went to him
instead of to me. Also, only one player (usually a player from the
guild that organized the run) would get any of the splinters of
Ateish. They would continue to receive every splinter drop (so long
as they were in the group) until they had the 40 they needed to
complete the staff. Yeah, Ateish is an accomplishment, but not
unheard of.
Yeechang Lee
> > (With all that I'm genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail
> > Admiral, too.)
>
> I'm not - Bloodsail rep is really annoying
That's my point. The guy in question has grinded up so many other
reputations, including Wintersaber Trainers and Timbermaw Hold, the
two other notorious "popular" reputations to grind (and also Brood of
Nozdormu, which is much less popular and sounds even more painful),
that grinding up Bloodsail, then Booty Bay, would be "just" two more
reputation grinds for someone who already did 46. That's what makes
the omission surprising. The guy maxed out Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar,
for heaven's sake, and they've got *absolutely nothing*--no titles, no
achievements, no cool trinkets--to offer for the work.
> I don't know if you lose the title if you do the cloth thing, but
> I'd expect so.
No; once one obtains the hat (and, now, the title), it can't be taken
away retroactively.
Yeechang Lee
> Yeah, Ateish is an accomplishment, but not unheard of.
Don't get me wrong. I've seen a few players around with
legendary-quality items (one or both Warglaives, Thunderfury, one of
the priest staves). Were Atiesh the only thing exceptional about this
player I wouldn't have taken a second look. It's the combination of so
many exceptionally-difficult/painful/time-draining things that makes
this character so, er, "special."
Babe Bridou
> This, along with Atiesh, is the most impressive to me. I think a lot
> of people were spoiled by BC/Wrath, and don't realize what it takes to
> raise some reputations to exalted. Some, like the Brood of Nozdormu,
> start out at 0/36000 hated. That's a TON of silithid carapaces to
> grind out, just to even be able to talk to Anachronos at neutral.
> Again, 46 exalted reputations is astounding...
To me the most impressive figure is his daily quest count.
He's currently at 718. You're limited to 25/day, meaning he's been
doing roughly 10-11 dailies per day since the achievement patch (which
I assumed happened on 1st november, I don't remember the exact date).
His regularity is astonishing.
On top of that, he completed:
_55 heroic dungeons
_7 naxxramas (25) raids
_8 naxxramas (10) raids
_6 malygos (25) raids
_3 malygos (3) raids
_8 archavon (10) raids
_7 archavon (25) raids
_7 sartharion (10) raids
_7 sartharion (25) raids
for a total of 107 dungeon runs. Close to 2 heroic (or raid) dungeon
clears/day since the release of wrath.
And 450 fishing. And 400 with 4 weapons. And 19999 with the magrams.
Seriously the least we can say is this guy is THOROUGH!
Catriona R
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:15:49 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcp...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>The patch that introduced achievements went live before WotLK. Since
>WotLK came out mid November, the patch came out late Oct/early Nov. I
>forget the exact date, but definitely not Dec 12th.
October 14th, easy to remember for me since it was my birthday (albeit
we didn't get the patch till the 15th here :-P)
>> Quests - They have done every quest in the game it seems
>
>If they started playing the game when it was released 4 years ago, it
>would have been very easy to have completed all the Azeroth quests in
>the 2 years before TBC was released. Then with TBC, he had another 2
>years to do all those quests.
Also after 3.0 came out low level quest tracking was added to the game
which made it a lot easy to go back and find old ones - I breezed
through my remaining ones in a couple of weeks after 3.0 hit.
>> Skills - They have top end fishing, cooking, first aid.. retroactive i
>> know, but still. more time used
>
>The achievements for getting the top training in fishing, cooking, and
>first aid is ridiculously easy. You take a boat/zep to Northrend, you
>get off, you talk to the trainer, you get the achievement. To my
>knowledge there is no achievement for actually skilling up to 450,
>just for getting the training that allows you to get to 450.
There's a feat of strength if you're first on the server to reach 450,
otherwise nothing so yeah, basically the acheivement is for reaching 350
skill and visiting your first town in Northrend.
>Still not a good measure of how much he really plays. For all we
>know, all this means is that following release of the expansion, him
>and his guild power leveled to 80 and started in on raids. He may
>have spent a week or 2 playing nearly all day. This is not a good
>measure of how much he has actually played, only how much he played in
>the days following the release of the expansion.
Yep, some of the people I know got server firsts in various things, they
don't always play 24-7, just play intensively for the first 2-3 weeks of
an expansion and then return to normal. Which I do myself, albeit I
don't manage to concentrate on one thing enough to get any server
firsts!
>> And the killer is of course the Reputations. The only way to top this
>> player would be to have a bloodsail hat I think.
>>
>Not entirely a great achievement to have so many factions at exalted.
>If hes been playing for the past 4 years, he had 2 years to grind rep
>with Azeroth factions. Some of those factions were quite hard to
>grind rep with, but if he did those factions back when they were
>relevant, then its really no surprise. Then he had another 2 years to
>grind rep with Outland factions. Even I got exalted with almost all
>of the Outland factions, and I started a new character several months
>after TBC came out, so by the time I got back to Outland I had about a
>6 month deficit compared to what other players had. Of the 5 factions
>I didn't get exalted with, one was Aldor, which was because I chose
>Scryer. Two more were the factions associated with the T6 raids,
>since I never got to run those raids. The last 2, Thrallmar and Lower
>City, was because I ran very few HFC or Auchindoun dungeons, and those
>2 factions don't have any repeatable quests (Thrallmar has the quest
>to capture the towers, but at only 150 rep per turn in, it wasn't
>worth it).
I'm exalted with all TBC factions except the two 25-man raid ones
(because I never raided past Kara/ZA, if I liked big raids I'd have them
exalted too) and the expansion was a year old when I got this character
to 70. So yeah, if you're looking at an original pre-TBC main the
reputations aren't as no-life as they may initially look - if someone's
always concentrated on the one main then they'd have put the time into
working on lesser-known factions.
Catriona R
Hehe true indeed.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Draenor&n=Sagart -
now, consider this is not my first main, it's not even my second: it
really became my main only one year ago. Until then it was a very much
secondary alt; my one high level on the opposite faction to all my other
characters. It was also never in an active guild until WotLK; my old
guild was great people but we never got more than 3 of us into a 5-man
at any one time, so I relied entirely on pugs through TBC (only
raiding/heroics much at the end when I made friends with my current
guild), and before TBC I barely grouped at all, having decided to
replace this character with a draenei priest by the time I got him to
60.
So, he's only had one year to get all those acheivements, plus I don't
like arena, don't like 25-man raids, and pvp as a clothie has been so
little fun lately that I've hardly touched a BG since 3.0 hit. Now
without all that, how many points would I have? Over 5k for sure,
probably pushing 6k by now.
Catriona R
Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
- a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
the Arca key in her bags, didn't get credit, then got the other half,
turned the quest in and boom, credit for completeing Mech (I think)
while standing in the middle of Shatt... :-)
Catriona R
On 7 Jan 2009 19:43:40 GMT, Yeechang Lee <yl...@pobox.com> wrote:
>PhilHibbs wrote:
>> > (With all that I'm genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail
>> > Admiral, too.)
>>
>> I'm not - Bloodsail rep is really annoying
>
>That's my point. The guy in question has grinded up so many other
>reputations, including Wintersaber Trainers and Timbermaw Hold, the
>two other notorious "popular" reputations to grind (and also Brood of
>Nozdormu, which is much less popular and sounds even more painful),
>that grinding up Bloodsail, then Booty Bay, would be "just" two more
>reputation grinds for someone who already did 46. That's what makes
>the omission surprising. The guy maxed out Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar,
>for heaven's sake, and they've got *absolutely nothing*--no titles, no
>achievements, no cool trinkets--to offer for the work.
Brood of Nozdormu is apparently dead easy to grind once your server's AQ
gates are open - just run AQ40. And someone with a load of raiding
acheivements would presumably have done that quite a bit. As for
Bloodsail, it's not "just" two, it's 5 repgrinds, since killing Booty
Bay bruisers loses you rep with all 4 goblin towns.
John Gordon
> Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
> - a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
> get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
As far as I know it only awards "loot credit" for bosses from large
raids, not 5-mans.
However the previous poster specifically said he had his T2 helm from
Onyxia and didn't get credit for killing her...
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
lcpltom
Arcatraz is the TK dungeon that has part of the kara key. The 3rd
part is in Steamvaults. Its also odd it gave you credit for
completing the dungeon, as the key fragment is only after the first
boss, in fact you can reach it without fighting the boss. Same goes
for the other key fragments. The Steamvaults fragment is close to the
first boss. And while the Shadow Labs fragment is behind Murmur, I've
been told that you can run around the outside of the ring, hugging the
walls, to reach the key fragment without fighting Murmur himself.
Catriona R
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:13:29 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon <gor...@panix.com>
wrote:
>In <6skjehF...@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
>> - a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
>> get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
>
>As far as I know it only awards "loot credit" for bosses from large
>raids, not 5-mans.
>
>However the previous poster specifically said he had his T2 helm from
>Onyxia and didn't get credit for killing her...
Hmm...
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Draenor&n=Balgair -
I have credit for Onyxia there, still got the T2 head in my bank (first
epic drop I had :-)) Maybe a bit buggy on that one then.
Catriona R
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:34 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcp...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Jan 7, 4:00 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:17:30 -0800 (PST), yoj...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >On Jan 7, 8:50 am, lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>Its possible then that they didn't cover all boss drops. I know there
>> >> was an achievement I got because I was wearing an item that only
>> >> dropped from a boss. I'm pretty sure it was the heroic mana tombs
>> >> achievement. I know I never did a non-daily quest for heroic mana
>> >> tombs, so the only way I could have gotten the achievement was through
>> >> having the item.
>>
>> >Hmmm... weird. The only 4 heroics I got credit for when 3.0 hit were
>> >the 4 required for the Trials of Naaru. I actually tried equipping
>> >gear (i.e., Quag's eye, the black stalk) to see if that would trip the
>> >achievement, but it didn't. Maybe you actually had to have had the
>> >specific gear equipped when you logged into 3.0 for the first time,
>> >but that just seems really weird...
>>
>> Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
>> - a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
>> get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
>> the Arca key in her bags, didn't get credit, then got the other half,
>> turned the quest in and boom, credit for completeing Mech (I think)
>> while standing in the middle of Shatt... :-)
>
>Arcatraz is the TK dungeon that has part of the kara key. The 3rd
>part is in Steamvaults. Its also odd it gave you credit for
>completing the dungeon, as the key fragment is only after the first
>boss, in fact you can reach it without fighting the boss. Same goes
>for the other key fragments. The Steamvaults fragment is close to the
>first boss. And while the Shadow Labs fragment is behind Murmur, I've
>been told that you can run around the outside of the ring, hugging the
>walls, to reach the key fragment without fighting Murmur himself.
I said the Arca key, not the Kara key. The Arca key is on the end bosses
of Mech and Bot so completing the quest indicates you have completed
both.
Rob Wynne
> The guy maxed out Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar,
> for heaven's sake, and they've got *absolutely nothing*--no titles, no
> achievements, no cool trinkets--to offer for the work.
>
That assumes they did it for the achievement. They might have gotten those
reputations 3 years ago.
Yeechang Lee
> > The guy maxed out Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar, for heaven's sake,
> > and they've got *absolutely nothing*--no titles, no achievements,
> > no cool trinkets--to offer for the work.
>
> That assumes they did it for the achievement. They might have
> gotten those reputations 3 years ago.
I didn't mean to imply that, but it's in any case immaterial. As I
noted, there's absolutely nothing, other than "999/1000 Exalted"
appearing on one's reputation pane, as a reward from grinding these
reputations. It makes no difference whether he earned the reputations
pre- or post-Achievement system, since there's no other reward--no
Achievement, no title, no Trinket of Uberness--for the effort.
Rob Wynne
Surely there was once upon a time some reason to want to be exalted with
these groups. Those rewards might be immaterial now, but the game has not
always been this way.
Ashen Shugar
like...
>Yeechang Lee <yl...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Rob Wynne wrote:
>>> > The guy maxed out Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar, for heaven's sake,
>>> > and they've got *absolutely nothing*--no titles, no achievements,
>>> > no cool trinkets--to offer for the work.
>>>
>>> That assumes they did it for the achievement. They might have
>>> gotten those reputations 3 years ago.
>>
>> I didn't mean to imply that, but it's in any case immaterial. As I
>> noted, there's absolutely nothing, other than "999/1000 Exalted"
>> appearing on one's reputation pane, as a reward from grinding these
>> reputations. It makes no difference whether he earned the reputations
>> pre- or post-Achievement system, since there's no other reward--no
>> Achievement, no title, no Trinket of Uberness--for the effort.
>>
>
>Surely there was once upon a time some reason to want to be exalted with
>these groups. Those rewards might be immaterial now, but the game has not
>always been this way.
I've never heard of any use for exalted with Ravenholdt, even for
rogues. A lot of comments saying it looked like unfinished content,
but that's it.
But people don't need an ingame reward for doing stuff. No ingame
reward for leveling a warrior without using any weapons or armor but
it's been done.
Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Yeechang Lee
> Surely there was once upon a time some reason to want to be exalted
> immaterial now, but the game has not always been this way.
Nope. No reasons whatsoever. No rewards that have been eclipsed by
Outland or Northrend loot, or anything like that. *Nothing*.
There was some reason to think pre-Outland--and perhaps even during
it--that Blizzard would one day add rogue rewards for Ravenholdt
reputation, but the character in question *is a priest*.
Rob Wynne
Actually, i was more thinking about factions like Brood and Waterlords,
rathern than Ravenholdt, etc.
Babe Bridou
> Yeechang Lee <y...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > Rob Wynne wrote:
> >> Surely there was once upon a time some reason to want to be exalted
> >> with [Ravenholdt and Shen'dralar]. Those rewards might be
> >> immaterial now, but the game has not always been this way.
>
> > Nope. No reasons whatsoever. No rewards that have been eclipsed by
> > Outland or Northrend loot, or anything like that. *Nothing*.
>
> > There was some reason to think pre-Outland--and perhaps even during
> > it--that Blizzard would one day add rogue rewards for Ravenholdt
> > reputation, but the character in question *is a priest*.
>
> Actually, i was more thinking about factions like Brood and Waterlords,
> rathern than Ravenholdt, etc.
>
Even then, there were reputations that would make sense to bring from
1/1000 to 999/1000 exalted (brood or waterlords or any TBC/wrath
faction for that matter) due to mobs having reputation gains or some
dailies rep spillover. Like I said this guy is thorough, a
completionist, and a damn majestic example at that. He's eligible as a
whole field research test subject for advanced psychology course.
Please note I'm in no way judging his particular centers of interests
or day-to-day schedule, that would be the same observation if he
choosed to learn all languages in the history of mankind, or to keep a
precise track of the rodent headcount population in London City, or to
make every single dream the woman he loves ever expresses come true.
My bet is that this selfless anomaly of a man would FINISH IT :D
Matt
> Its possible then that they didn't cover all boss drops. I know there
> was an achievement I got because I was wearing an item that only
> dropped from a boss. I'm pretty sure it was the heroic mana tombs
> achievement. I know I never did a non-daily quest for heroic mana
> tombs, so the only way I could have gotten the achievement was through
> having the item.
I vaguely remember some blue post saying that only expansion dungeons
(or even raids - this might include heroics) award achievements basing
on loot.
--
Regards
Matt
Lancelet
news:6sj91nF...@mid.individual.net:
>
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:10:54 +0100 (CET), Lancelet
> <lancele...@merci.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Yeechang Lee <yl...@pobox.com> wrote in
>>news:slrngm7ub...@pobox.com:
>>> He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
>>
>>I thought you were only able to get honored on Ravenholdt by killing
>>syndicate guys. When was this changed?
>
> There's always been a repeatable quest for Ravenholdt to hand in
> junkboxes. They can only be pickpocketed by rogues, but aren't bop, so
> anyone not a rogue who wants exalted with them needs a rogue alt or
> very good friend who's a rogue... but it's possible and has been for a
> long time (long before Syndicate mobs gave rep)
Ok, thanks. Maybe my rogue done that a long time ago, I don't remember.
lcpltom
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:34 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com>
Oops. Well then, I stand corrected.
lcpltom
Cenarion Circle and Cenarion Expedition is a collection of druids, yet
they offer reputation rewards for all classes.
Dalaran and the Kirin'Tor is a collection of mages, but they also
offer reputation rewards for all classes.
Argent Dawn and Argent Crusade are mostly paladins and priests...
Knights of the Ebon Blade for death knights...
So there is some already existing factions in the game that offer
rewards for more than just their associated classes. Ravenholdt isn't
just about rogues, its also about fighting the Syndicate. For all any
of us knew, a content patch may have made the Syndicate much more of a
threat, causing us to have to fight them, and Ravenholdt would have
been the faction involved with fighting them. At this point all
classes may have been given quests to gain rep with Ravenholdt.
Rogues would have an advantage, much like druids have an advantage
with Cenarion Circle, and death knights have an advantage with Ebon
Blade. Perhaps the speculation that Ravenholdt was unfinished content
motivated him into grinding the rep now, and potentially reaping the
benefits later.
Thats also assuming he grinded this rep for the benefits. Perhaps,
prior to achievements, he set his own achievement goals and set out to
complete them. This was more than likely just him playing the game to
have fun.
Xymmie
"Catriona R" <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6skiq3F...@mid.individual.net...
> Yep, some of the people I know got server firsts in various things, they
> don't always play 24-7, just play intensively for the first 2-3 weeks of
> an expansion and then return to normal. Which I do myself, albeit I
> don't manage to concentrate on one thing enough to get any server
> firsts!
>
Heh. I can't seem to concentrate, either! In fact, I don't have a L80 yet
in spite of the fact that I had 3 L70s when the XP came out. What did I do?
I started a DK on one account, and got her mining/engineering up and ready
for Outland. Then, seeing a definite need for blacksmithing, I started
another hunter on my second account. She's now at L50, or close to, and
moving up very fast.
I still don't have a tailor, leatherworker, or jewelcrafter, so who knows
what I'll do next?? I don't think I want to change professions on any of my
alts that are gatherers, only, so I'll need to create new (or play bank
alts) characters for those professions.
Xymmie
PV
>I tried a couple of times today to post a link to this amazing armory
>profile I found somewhere, to the offical WoW boards and had both the
>OP and the "why did you delete my OP" post removed. Oh well, their
Congratulations on being part of the reason for the forums sucking so
badly. Don't post "why did you delete" messages, you ninny.
>loss. I won't persist. Instead I'll share with you lot what I think
>has to be the most crazy WoW player of all time
If I remember right, the european wow forum has a rule against "naming and
shaming", which is probably what got your post deleted.
I have to say, that's a boatload of exalted reputations, but who cares? *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>50k kills over 4 years? Hmm... well I'm on 16k in one year, not being a
>heavy pvper (hardly been in a BG since 3.0 hit so in reality the 16k was
>in 9 months, during which time I spent lots of time on other things
>too). Doesn't seem that hard.
Anyone who seriously played for rank during the old PvP system easily has
more than that. I know people who have a quarter-million HKs. *
PV
>No one is saying they aren't impressed. Some of us object to the notion
>that or a person to have done this, they must be some sort of basement
>dwelling loser.
Exactly. With 11 million players, WoW is not a game that only shut-ins
play. They're everywhere. *
Urbin
> Thomas Hejl Pilgaard wrote:
> > > I don't think the gear was the point. It was the 6430 achievement
> > > points to date. That IS substantial...
> >
> > 50.000+ honor kills, the achievements accomplished, especially the
> > feats of strength! - and the reputations.
>
> Yes, the combination of the various achievements (not just
> Achievements) for this Salvas of Aerie Peak EU is both astounding and
> frightening.
I can't comment on all of this, but...
> * Maxed-out Exalted with every Alliance race and PvP faction, Valiance
> Expedition, the majority of classic factions, every Outland faction
> (whether tied to instances or not), every Northrend faction (whether
> tied to tabards or not), almost every other Alliance faction
> including Wintersaber Trainers, Timbermaw, Zandalar, and Shen'dralar
> (One I'd never even heard of before, and I've played this game for
> four years this month!). He even maxed-out Exalted on Ravenholdt,
> and *he's a priest*!!! 46 total Exalted factions. (With all that I'm
> genuinely amazed he doesn't have Bloodsail Admiral, too.)
I'm a casual player and I have 11 exalted factions and a lot of others in
the revered range. However, I also have a number of alts, 2 of which are 70
and 4 of which I intend to bring to 80 over time. If I only had one
character and played that exclusively, I am sure I would be exalted with
many more factions, too (though likely not 46 :-)
> * The achievements for 50 mounts
Mostly a matter of money. I have 28 mounts and the reason I don't have more
is that I didn't want to spend the money on all faction epic mounts. The
more factions you are exalted with, the more mounts you get access to.
> 25 tabards
Well, if you are exalted with so many factions, this is a freebie.
> 50 minipets
rather easy to get, especially with many added with WotLK and enough money.
> 25 alcoholic drinks
i think the drinks don't need to be alcoholic because mage water of various
quality counts. I used those to get my last 4.
> and 50 dishes
trivial if you are a cook
> and Well Read (>40 books that randomly spawn all over the world)
they are not at all random. wowwiki has a list of where each book can be
found. it took me less than 5 hours to get them all.
I am not saying that this player does not play a lot. I am just saying that
a few of the achievments that you list are relatively simple to achieve for
a casual player (heck, I have 5 of the 6 you list).
Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (64), Draenei Mage
Mymule (70), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (61), Human Death Knight
Sunh (70), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Urbin
> On 7 Jan, 12:15, lcpltom <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 12:29=A0am, Apoptygma <apopty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If you're not impressed you're being argumentative for the sake of
> > > being argumentative like all the posts here have been.
> >
> > Its definitely impressive, but nothing but the Emblems of Heroism
> > count is really indicative of how much he really plays.
>
> Apart from the Emblems of Heroism and the server firsts I'm sure that
> I could have done most of the things listed in your post. I have 6
> characters at level 70 or higher, another at level 60, 3 in the 50s
> and one in the high 40s. Most of those have two professions (plus
> first aid which is always maxed out on all my alts) at 360+ or max for
> their level for the lower level alts or more and one has all 5
> profession slots to 375 or higher. Had I put all that time into one
> character then it would probably acheived a lot.
Exactly. Same here.
> Looking at Catriona's sig, I'm sure she could have too. :P
Hehe, looking at the sigs of a lot of us, we give him a pretty good run for
it. Of course, by this definition we all need to get the hell out of here
and get a life ;-)
Urbin
>
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:13:29 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon <gor...@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In <6skjehF...@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
> >> - a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
> >> get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
> >
> >As far as I know it only awards "loot credit" for bosses from large
> >raids, not 5-mans.
> >
> >However the previous poster specifically said he had his T2 helm from
> >Onyxia and didn't get credit for killing her...
>
> Hmm...
>
> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Draenor&n=Balgair -
> I have credit for Onyxia there, still got the T2 head in my bank (first
> epic drop I had :-)) Maybe a bit buggy on that one then.
I got Ony credited retroactively. I have an Ony hide bag in my bank, I guess
that is what triggered it. Or maybe because I completed the quest for
handing in the head seems more likely.
MadManMoo
His achievements are insane. If you have put the time into doing any
of the achievements, you know what I'm talking about. He has raised
his reputation with the Steamwheedle Cartel to Exalted. There is one
repeatable quest for this in DM. Yes Dire Maul. It gives around 350
points each time. So he has to rinse and repeat over and over and
over to get there.
He is exalted with Wintersaber Trainers. This is probably the most
insane grindfest ever created. After you reach friendly, you receive
two quests upt from the 1 that you can repeat. They have recently
upped the amount of rep given from 50-250 each turn in. He obviously
did many of these before the achievement system came out. He spent
weeks getting this.
The tedium involved in Wintersaber is that you have to ride a mount
for about a 6 minute round trip to get and turn in the quest. You
spend 10-15 minutes getting the quests finished, 6 minutes getting and
turning in. Rinse and repeat a couple thousand times. Ugh.....
Take a look at my armory. I play on Skullcrusher and under the name
Staffler. I am a bit of a completionist and I fall nowhere near where
he is. I am about to finish the Loremaster achievement with just 80
or so quests to finish in Kalimdor. I have well over 4k quests
completed with dailies. I have around 22 reputations exalted. It
takes time. Lots of it.
This dude is epic. I am in awe of not only the time invested, but the
patience and resolve to complete it. Respect to Salvas.
yoj...@gmail.com
> Take a look at my armory. I play on Skullcrusher and under the name
> Staffler. I am a bit of a completionist and I fall nowhere near where
> he is. I am about to finish the Loremaster achievement with just 80
> or so quests to finish in Kalimdor. I have well over 4k quests
> completed with dailies. I have around 22 reputations exalted. It
> takes time. Lots of it.
Agreed. And I think what a lot of people in this thread are
insinuating is that achievements and reputation gained scale linearly
with time played. Well, they don't. After 3.0 launched, I went from
1500 to 3000 achievement points pretty quickly, within the first 6
weeks. I got maybe 500 more the next 4 weeks. Now, I'm lucky to get
even 5 new achievements a week, but I'm playing the same amount. It'll
be months before I see 4k, and he already has 6400.
His achievements indicate a TON of time played.
lcpltom
It does indicate a ton of time played, but doesn't indicate what time
frame they were done in. As mentioned, the game is 4 years old, with
the introduction of achievements occurring only about a month short of
that 4 years. All the time it took to accomplish most of those
achievements dispersed over 4 years, he may not have played more than
10 hours a week, contrary to the OP's conclusion that this person has
no life. Achievements that weren't retroactive he may have picked up
within a week of achievements being introduced. Lots of PUGs formed
for old world raids and instances, and with easy mode TBC raids, lots
of players got some first time introduction to several of them.
This is assuming he's been playing since release, which we don't have
any way of knowing. However, considering he is exalted with a lot of
original WoW factions, its likely he has been playing since some time
before TBC. I'd say at least a year to have gotten to 60 and grinded
the factions while they were still relevant.
Too bad there isn't a way to do a /timeplayed on another character.
yoj...@gmail.com
Well, there is a rudimentary way to ascertain this, to a particular
level. Achievements earned on 10-15-08 were achieved at some point
between Nov. '04 and 10-15-08. Achievements earned after that date
were received on the date listed. I'm not going to to the tally, but a
quick perusal seems to indicate ~50/50...
which means... this thread has gone on too long.
cryptoguy
He has realmfirst to reach 80 - not just by race or class, but first
of all. No matter what else you may think, this shows that he/she is a
very intense player. Even allowing for several toons per player, this
places him far, far ahead of most of us.
pt
Catriona R
On 9 Jan 2009 13:11:46 GMT, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:37:40 +0000, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:13:29 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon <gor...@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In <6skjehF...@mid.individual.net> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> writes:
>> >
>> >> Yeah it was supposed to count gear you posessed but in most cases didn't
>> >> - a friend of mine had a drop off heroic Murmur in his bank but didn't
>> >> get credit for it. Also rather amusingly one of my alts had one half of
>> >
>> >As far as I know it only awards "loot credit" for bosses from large
>> >raids, not 5-mans.
>> >
>> >However the previous poster specifically said he had his T2 helm from
>> >Onyxia and didn't get credit for killing her...
>>
>> Hmm...
>>
>> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Draenor&n=Balgair -
>> I have credit for Onyxia there, still got the T2 head in my bank (first
>> epic drop I had :-)) Maybe a bit buggy on that one then.
>
>I got Ony credited retroactively. I have an Ony hide bag in my bank, I guess
>that is what triggered it. Or maybe because I completed the quest for
>handing in the head seems more likely.
If you've done the head that's a definite, I only had the T2 head drop,
no bag or quest for me, but still got credit.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (71 Tauren Druid)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Marcel
<treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>He has realmfirst to reach 80 - not just by race or class, but first
>of all. No matter what else you may think, this shows that he/she is a
>very intense player.
>
All it shows is that the account is being played intense.
There's no proof at all it's just one person playing this account (no
proof as well it's several people ;-)
I for one know several people sharing their account with multiple
people who will farm and such for them while they're not online.
Besides that I know several people playing wow 16 hours a day 7 days a
week.
Urbin
> On Jan 9, 7:50=A0am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On 7 Jan 2009 00:38:37 GMT, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> >
> > I'm a casual player and I have 11 exalted factions and a lot of others
> > in the revered range. However, I also have a number of alts, 2 of which
> > are 70 and 4 of which I intend to bring to 80 over time. If I only had
> > one character and played that exclusively, I am sure I would be exalted
> > with many more factions, too (though likely not 46 :-)
> >
> >
> > Mostly a matter of money. I have 28 mounts and the reason I don't have
> > more is that I didn't want to spend the money on all faction epic
> > mounts. The more factions you are exalted with, the more mounts you get
> > access to.
> >
> > > 25 tabards
> >
> > Well, if you are exalted with so many factions, this is a freebie.
> >
> > > 50 minipets
> >
> > rather easy to get, especially with many added with WotLK and enough
> > money.
> >
> > > 25 alcoholic drinks
> >
> > i think the drinks don't need to be alcoholic because mage water of
> > various quality counts. I used those to get my last 4.
> >
> > > and 50 dishes
> >
> > trivial if you are a cook
> >
> >
> > they are not at all random. wowwiki has a list of where each book can be
> > found. it took me less than 5 hours to get them all.
> >
> > I am not saying that this player does not play a lot. I am just saying
> > that a few of the achievments that you list are relatively simple to
> > achieve for a casual player (heck, I have 5 of the 6 you list).
>
> of the achievements, you know what I'm talking about.
Oh I do. I am not saying that it is not impressive. It is. I am just saying
it does not necessarily mean that in order to achieve this you have to be a
"lifeless basement dweller"
> He has raised his reputation with the Steamwheedle Cartel to Exalted.
> There is one repeatable quest for this in DM. Yes Dire Maul. It gives
> around 350 points each time. So he has to rinse and repeat over and over
> and over to get there.
Yes it takes time. It could be done even before BC was released (I think DM
was added in patch 1.5 but could be mistaken, so he had about 3 years to
achieve that).
> He is exalted with Wintersaber Trainers. This is probably the most
> insane grindfest ever created. After you reach friendly, you receive
> two quests upt from the 1 that you can repeat. They have recently
> upped the amount of rep given from 50-250 each turn in. He obviously
> did many of these before the achievement system came out. He spent
> weeks getting this.
>
> The tedium involved in Wintersaber is that you have to ride a mount
> for about a 6 minute round trip to get and turn in the quest. You
> spend 10-15 minutes getting the quests finished, 6 minutes getting and
> turning in. Rinse and repeat a couple thousand times. Ugh.....
Yes I know. But it rewarded a mount. He might have wanted that.
Both of these factions could be grinded to exalted a long time before the
achievment system was added.
> Take a look at my armory. I play on Skullcrusher and under the name
> Staffler. I am a bit of a completionist and I fall nowhere near where
> he is. I am about to finish the Loremaster achievement with just 80
> or so quests to finish in Kalimdor. I have well over 4k quests
> completed with dailies.
I didn't check your armory but I am a bit of a completionist myself. I am
about 110 quests short of the Kalimdor loremaster and still need icecrown
finished. I have the Seeker achievment but not yet done 1k dailies since the
achievments were introduced (though definitely much more than 1k of them
before that).
> I have around 22 reputations exalted. It takes time. Lots of it.
I have 11 there. I know it takes time.
> This dude is epic. I am in awe of not only the time invested, but the
> patience and resolve to complete it. Respect to Salvas.
Oh, I think we are in absolute agreement, that it takes a lot of time and
patience. My mail was in response to a few people who stated that in order
to achieve this one had to be socially inept, without a real life, spending
40 hours a day in game etc (note my sarcasm).
All I said was, that if you have been playing one single char for 4 years,
it was well possible to achieve all this as a semi-casual player with a
healthy social life outside WoW.
Heck, I don't think anyone in my guild is as thorough as this guy, but a lot
of them have half a dozen chars with several factions at exalted for
crafting recipes. If they had consolidated all that effort into one single
char, I am sure many of them would be close to him.
MadManMoo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, we are in agreement. Many of the
things he had done before the patch came out. It's nearly impossible
to become exalted with all PvP factions now because you can't turn in
badges for honor. He absolutely had those completed a LOOONG time
ago.
yoj...@gmail.com
> This is assuming he's been playing since release, which we don't have
> any way of knowing.
Actually, we do.
> However, considering he is exalted with a lot of
> original WoW factions, its likely he has been playing since some time
> before TBC. I'd say at least a year to have gotten to 60 and grinded
> the factions while they were still relevant.
According to this, he hit 60 about 2.5 years ago:
lcpltom
In that case then, we know that a lot of these difficult achievements
he has were likely done a long time ago. And all those reputations
were likely done when they were relevant.
Lancelet
news:c02911b0-2243-4765...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
> His achievements are insane. If you have put the time into doing any
> of the achievements, you know what I'm talking about. He has raised
> his reputation with the Steamwheedle Cartel to Exalted. There is one
> repeatable quest for this in DM. Yes Dire Maul. It gives around 350
> points each time. So he has to rinse and repeat over and over and
> over to get there.
IIRC, there is another one, given by a gobelin on the coast, near the boat
to feathermoon hold. You have to kill some giants in Feralas.
The turn in of water in Gadjetzan, too, maybe?