poll: 10 most important games ever made?
J!m
played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
gaming world??
redsniper7000
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Super Mario 64
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Baldur's Gate
Gran Turismo
GTA3
...
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J!m
don't tell me you have all forgotten these amazing games because
something newer has come along??
Mark wrote:
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> dont 4get shenmue
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VIVI6
Tomb Raider (female protagonist in an action platform)
Resident Evil (first big horror survival)
Space Invaders\Galaga (classics)
Mario (the 800 pound-platform gorilla)
Tony Hawk (spawned its own cottage industry)
Mortal Kombat (Tekken and Soul Caliber made better use of the concept)
Smash TV (the gamestyle is still imitated)
Doom (First big FPS)
GTA 3....(first big non-linear game, the clones are coming)
these our just my impressions to the games that seemed to have the most heat
in my day and spawned the most clones. I don't play RPG's or racing games so
I don't have much of an opinion on those :(
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Donkey Kong
Pac Man
Defender
Elite
Tetris
Wolfenstein 3D
Ultima Online
Super Mario64
Grand Theft Auto III
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J!m
J!m
robotron, which was an excellent game, and the game which spawned
llamatron - a true classic...
Kev
Metal Gear Solid - PS1
Chrono Cross - PS1
FF7 - PS1
Devil May Cry - PS2
Resident Evil - GC
Halo - XBOX
Zelda, OOT - N64
Medal of Honour Frontline - PS2
Super Mario 64 - N64
Turok - N64
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Jeff Wagner
GranTurismo
EA NHL
TSR Dungeon & Dragons based games
Ultima Series
Shenmue
Doom, Quake or Unreal
Everquest
Flight Simulator
Pacman, Asteroids and all other retro games of the sort that started it all.
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1- Shadowrun (snes and Sega Genesis)
2- Joust
3- Asteroid
4- NFL 2K2
5- Madden early series 93 I believe. The game where the ambulance comes on
the field and they actually pick up the injured player.
6- Cyberball (Sega Gen)
7-Quake
8-Mike Tysons Punch out (NES)
9- WCW wrestling(NES)
10- Rampage early edition (NES or Sega master system)
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yossarian
games like that are the kind that shape a generation...
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> how about old classics like missile command or tetris?
>
> don't tell me you have all forgotten these amazing games because
> something newer has come along??
>
>
> Mark wrote:
> >
> > dont 4get shenmue
> >
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Jonsend
FF7
Elite
Tetris
Onion Knight
In no order:
Pong
Space Invaders
Pac-Man
Donkey Kong
Zork
Ultima IV
FF VII
Tomb Raider
GTA 3
Ultima Online
--
OK
J!m
idea of what video games could offer???
puzzles, stories and flying/trading in space is all video games have to
offer?
how about beat em ups or platformers or first person shooters or racing
games??
Leon Dexter
Not in order:
Pong
Pac-Man
Street Fighter II
Super Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda
Virtua Fighter
Mario Kart
Doom
Mario 64
Grand Theft Auto 3
Vidar Olavesen
Space Invaders (one of the first I played)
Pac-Man (Classic)
Star Raiders (My first encounter with the Atari's. Fell in love right at the
moment I saw it)
Rescue on Fractalus (One of the games that really impressed me when it came
out, but I am talking Atari here, not C64)
Manic Miner or Miner 2049'er (Played Manic Miner on the Speccy, but feel
that Miner 2049'er is a bit better)
Shining Force 3 (The best RPG ever, Saturn was put a notch up. This really
is amazing. Forget Final Fantasy, this is the battle system every RPG should
use)
Phantasy Star Online (the first game I played online and I love it both for
the offline and the online mode)
Shenmue and Shenmue II (DC's best ? Or at least one of the very best)
Star Wars Rogue Leader (My first Gamecube game)
Burnout (The Gamecube game that impressed me most up to now)
I guess Eternal Darkness would be here too, but I haven't gotten my
Freeloader yet, so I can't play it yet. I don't know which game I should
take out to get a place for Soul Reaver : Legacy of Kain on the DC. The
acting is so impressive and I think this voice of the storyteller is just
superb. The game has a few flaws, but I do like it a lot. Too bad the
suckers at Eidos dropped the sequel for the DC, I think it was pretty near
completion. Bought by Sony ? Hate it when that happens.
J!m
doom [pc]
super mario all stars [snes]
tetris [gb]
missile command [arcade]
tekken 3 [psx]
syndicate [amiga]
elite 2: frontier [pc]
gran turismo 3 [ps2]
tempest 2000 [jaguar]
zelda: a link to the past [snes]
Ted
Note that the question in the body and the question in the subject are
different questions. The body question is not what are the 10 most
important games ever made, it is what 10 games would you use to
represent video gaming to a total newbie.
Ms. Pacman
Arkanoid
Super Mario Brothers
Tetris
Civilization
Marathon 2
Saturn Bomberman
Fighters Megamix (but not the Game.com version)
Silent Hill
Shenmue 2 (which fortunately includes Outrun, Space Harrier, Hang On and
Afterburner 2 as part of the game)
If I had room, I'd put in an accessible 2D fighter, probably Marvel vs
Capcom 2, but I don't, so I won't.
J!m
Ted wrote:
>
> "J!m" wrote:
> >
> > imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
> > played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> > what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> > gaming world??
>
> Note that the question in the body and the question in the subject are
> different questions. The body question is not what are the 10 most
> important games ever made, it is what 10 games would you use to
> represent video gaming to a total newbie.
>
yeah, i had to put a subject in there which kinda summed up what the
post was about without it being really really long....
good choices btw....
Gregory D. George
Hmmm...
In chronological order (as best I can remember)
1. Space War (started the whole thing.)
2. Pong (made it profitable.)
3. Space Invaders (made it an addiction.)
4. Pac-Man (made it fun.)
5. Dungeon Master (the basis of RPGs)
6. Super Mario Bros. (brought gaming back from death.)
7. Tetris (addiction supreme.)
8. Street Fighter II (made fighters popular.)
9. Doom (popularized the 3D shooter, even thought Wolf 3D was first)
10. Virtua Fighter (started the 3D fighter craze.)
I've played GTA3 and it's a great and fun game, but I'm surprised it has
appeared on so many lists. I guess people tend to forget the games of
the past and what their influence has been...
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J!m
"Gregory D. George" wrote:
>
> "J!m" wrote:
>
> > imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
> > played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> > what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> > gaming world??
>
> Hmmm...
>
> In chronological order (as best I can remember)
>
> 1. Space War (started the whole thing.)
> 2. Pong (made it profitable.)
> 3. Space Invaders (made it an addiction.)
> 4. Pac-Man (made it fun.)
> 5. Dungeon Master (the basis of RPGs)
> 6. Super Mario Bros. (brought gaming back from death.)
> 7. Tetris (addiction supreme.)
> 8. Street Fighter II (made fighters popular.)
> 9. Doom (popularized the 3D shooter, even thought Wolf 3D was first)
> 10. Virtua Fighter (started the 3D fighter craze.)
>
> I've played GTA3 and it's a great and fun game, but I'm surprised it has
> appeared on so many lists. I guess people tend to forget the games of
> the past and what their influence has been...
>
indeed, it seems some peoples memories are quite short - you have an
excellent list of real old games there which helped define video games
as they are today... however, i do question virtual fighter, you have
already included one beat em up already - don't you think racing games
and god sims deserve a mention?
flo...@usit.net
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This is a hard one. The post title says the most Important games ever
made, which in my mind would be the games that influenced the gaming
industry no matter how old they may be.
But games have been refined in each genre, so there would be newer
games that have been built and refined from these earlier games, that
would be more than worthy of showing someone who is new to the hobby.
So which games you choose could come from either school of thought. My
list tries to stay true to the first line of thought. The games that I
think really influenced the others in the genre. In no particular
order.
1. Wolfenstein 3D - It being the first FPS, I had to put it's
importance above Doom. But Doom was pretty damn influential :)
2. Legend Of Zelda NES - Created the Action/RPG category.
3. Super Mario Bros NES - Influential 2D sidescrolling goodness.
4. Command and Conquer - Dune created alot of things that C&C took for
itself, but C&C is widely thought as being the game that started the
RTS ball a rolling.
5. Tetris - It's simple puzzle gameplay has led to dozens of puzzsle
games trying to capture the simple but fun gameplay of this sucka.
6. Street Fighter 2 - There was that Karate game that I guess could be
seen as one of the first one on one fighting games. I forget it's
actual name. But Street Fighter was the game that truly spurred the
fighting genre forward.
7. Defender - As I thought about the 2D scrolling shooters, this game
immediately sprang to mind as influential. First sidescrolling
shooter.
8. Pole Position - Again one of the pioneers of the racing genre. I
don't know if I'd put it in a list to give to a newbie to play. At
least not over the spiffy new 3D racers. But talking stricly
influence, it's hard not to give a nod to this racer.
9. Alone In the Dark - Resident Evil is the game that really made this
genre, but you have to give a nod to the game that tried first. And
created the survival horror genre.
10. Mario 64 - Mario came along again. But this time in 3D and
completely rewrote the rules. Every 3D platformer since has owed Mario
64.
Really, there's a whole slew of influential games through the years.
Like I've said it's extremely hard to just keep it to 10.
A few extras
Final Fantasy - Wrote so many rules for the traditional turned based
RPG.
Duck Hunt - Was this the first light gun game ?
Tony Hawk Pro Skater - For the Extreme Sport category this game wrote
the rules that everyone is copying and refining today.
Anyway. Hard question to answer, but fun to read peoples replies :)
flounda
Bondo
>> news:3D5A5AD2...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk...
>>> imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
>>> played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>>> what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>>> gaming world??
I actually wrote an editorial exactly about this...and seeing as the site it
is on is down, I'll just post it here and stuff.
Greatest Games of All Time
10. Super Mario Kart - Nintendo (SNES)
Aside from the fact that it defined the Kart Racer, Super Mario Kart
multiplayer standards with quick fun action and a wide selection of items.
SMK also set the foundation for the car combat genre.
9. Super Mario Brothers 3 - Nintendo (NES)
Super Mario 3 was the definitive side-scrolling platformer. While its
levels are similar to Super Mario 1, it adds in essentials like two player
alternating play, mini-levels, and more items. These improvements bring the
game well above the level of Mario 1 and established it as a classic.
8. Gran Turismo - Sony (PSX)
While Gran Turismo is far from the best racing game due to its weak play
mechanics and bad AI, it is one of the greatest games because it showed that
a racing game could have just as much playtime as any RPG. Between having
about a hundred races and two hundred cars, the variables are endless.
7. Mortal Kombat - Midway (Arcade, Genesis, SNES)
Mortal Kombat makes the list for many reasons. Most importantly, it along
with Street Fighter II revolutionized the fighting genre. Mortal Kombat
also revitalized for many years the dying Arcade market. Its third
contribution is a negative but important result; Mortal Kombat was a large
reason that the violence in video games issue was first presented to
Congress.
6. Sonic the Hedgehog - Sega (Genesis/Master System)
Aside from being a great action-platformer, Sonic has always defined speed
in gaming. From the first one on the Genesis and Master System to the
latest for the Dreamcast, the speed and fun have remained constant.
5. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Nintendo (N64)
The greatest part of Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was not its great
graphics for the time, not its long mix of quests, or ingenious level
design. No, the greatest part is its brilliant control scheme. The
Z-targeting system affects gameplay more than most control innovations and
has been used in many games since in some form. The simplicity of the
controls makes Zelda enjoyable to players of all ages and abilities.
4. Goldeneye 007 - Rareware (N64)
Goldeneye ranks high on the greatest game list as it recreated or even
initiated how we judge a console FPS. It may also go down as the greatest
multiplayer game of all time.
3. Final Fantasy - Square (NES)
Final Fantasy I both started the greatest RPG series but also was the first
console RPG to truly hook American gamers. It says a lot when a game
released over a decade ago is just as entertaining as the newest games.
2. Super Mario 64 - Nintendo (N64)
What is there to say about the game that only revolutionized 3D gaming? As
one of the first games to allow free movement in a 3D atmosphere, it set a
standard, and its quality as a platformer sealed it as a great game.
And the greatest games of all time isŠ
Tetris - Nintendo (Game Boy)
Of all the games I thought of while writing this article, Tetris was never
in doubt to be the best. It has the record number of spin-offs and is the
poster child of the puzzle genre and helped establish the Game Boy the only
truly successful handheld in history.
Honorable Mentions (based on impact not quality):
Resident Evil
Tomb Raider
Tony Hawk Pro Skater
Pokémon
Metal Gear Solid
*Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world. Also, the list
is restricted to video games (not computer) since the market rebirth.
Scurvydog
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>> imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
>> played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>> what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>> gaming world??
Sorry I just could not possibly do a top 10 and leave any of the
following out, so heres my TOP 12 !
Oldest to newest:
1. Willy Higinbotham's 1958 oscilloscope game.
Video gaming is born.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/features/video/hov/p2_02.html for details
2. Pong (multi consoles)
Videogames come home in mass.
3. Space Invaders (Atari 2600)
First arcade hit comes home.
4. Utopia (Intellivision)
Over a decade ahead of its time.
5. Donkey Kong (Arcade)
First appearance of the jumping plumber soon to be known as Mario.
6. Pool of Radiance (Gold box series) (C64 & others)
AD&D is possible on a home video game.
7. Madden Football (Genesys)
The first in a sports dynasty.
8. Doom II (PC)
The FPS explodes with multi player & user mods.
9. The Legend of Zelda (SNES)
Best ever console RPG.
10. Black & White (PC)
As Utopia before it, ahead of it's time.
11. GTA3 (PS2)
Live out them badass fantasies.
12. Halo (Xbox)
The FPS comes of age.
Jonsend
Medal of honor, VF etc those three games showed me how great games could be
and changed how I looked at them (well, maybe not Tetris), I would recommend
them to anyone as the ultimate gaming experiences (especially FFVII).
Also Tribes on the PC would be #4.
Gregory D. George
> > 1. Space War (started the whole thing.)
> > 2. Pong (made it profitable.)
> > 3. Space Invaders (made it an addiction.)
> > 4. Pac-Man (made it fun.)
> > 5. Dungeon Master (the basis of RPGs)
> > 6. Super Mario Bros. (brought gaming back from death.)
> > 7. Tetris (addiction supreme.)
> > 8. Street Fighter II (made fighters popular.)
> > 9. Doom (popularized the 3D shooter, even thought Wolf 3D was first)
> > 10. Virtua Fighter (started the 3D fighter craze.)
> >
> > I've played GTA3 and it's a great and fun game, but I'm surprised it has
> > appeared on so many lists. I guess people tend to forget the games of
> > the past and what their influence has been...
>
> indeed, it seems some peoples memories are quite short - you have an
> excellent list of real old games there which helped define video games
> as they are today... however, i do question virtual fighter, you have
> already included one beat em up already - don't you think racing games
> and god sims deserve a mention?
There really isn't a stand out driving game in my opinion... Maybe Hard
Drivin...
Same goes for a God game. I love Populous II, but I don't think it
belongs on the list.
As for Virtua Fighter / SFII... SFII really got the fighting thing going
where as VF pushed it to a new (and ultimately permanent) style of using
3D. Don't see too make 2D fighting games anymore.
J!m
thinking!!!
but as far as the subject line goes, its an, albeit inaccurate, summary
of the question inside the post - however either line of thought would
work i guess, if you were introducing somebody to the world of video
games you couldn't do much wrong by showing them the games which were
most influential....
ik+ is the name of the karate game you were thinking of....
kudos for mentioning alone in the dark and duck hunt tho man... both
excellent games.... AitD more so tho!
Scurvydog
Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
J!m
"Gregory D. George" wrote:
>
> "J!m" wrote:
>
> > > 1. Space War (started the whole thing.)
> > > 2. Pong (made it profitable.)
> > > 3. Space Invaders (made it an addiction.)
> > > 4. Pac-Man (made it fun.)
> > > 5. Dungeon Master (the basis of RPGs)
> > > 6. Super Mario Bros. (brought gaming back from death.)
> > > 7. Tetris (addiction supreme.)
> > > 8. Street Fighter II (made fighters popular.)
> > > 9. Doom (popularized the 3D shooter, even thought Wolf 3D was first)
> > > 10. Virtua Fighter (started the 3D fighter craze.)
> > >
> > > I've played GTA3 and it's a great and fun game, but I'm surprised it has
> > > appeared on so many lists. I guess people tend to forget the games of
> > > the past and what their influence has been...
> >
> > indeed, it seems some peoples memories are quite short - you have an
> > excellent list of real old games there which helped define video games
> > as they are today... however, i do question virtual fighter, you have
> > already included one beat em up already - don't you think racing games
> > and god sims deserve a mention?
>
> There really isn't a stand out driving game in my opinion... Maybe Hard
> Drivin...
>
i have to agree - very few driving games are actually good enough to
deserve any extra attention...
> Same goes for a God game. I love Populous II, but I don't think it
> belongs on the list.
>
furry muff man.... i would say populous / black & white / syndicate goes
well in here, but its your list!!
> As for Virtua Fighter / SFII... SFII really got the fighting thing going
> where as VF pushed it to a new (and ultimately permanent) style of using
> 3D. Don't see too make 2D fighting games anymore.
>
capcom vs snk 2................
wrestleantares
wrote:
>imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
>played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>gaming world??
This is a tough question. 10 games to *represent the entirety of the
videogaming world.* It is incredibly tough to do this and represent
all genre's and generations which I believe is critical. However here
goes my best choices for just 10:
1. Pac-Man (Arcade) - Pac-Mania ruled the arcades and spawned tons of
clones, and still is represented today in Pac-World.
2. Space Invaders (Arcade) - Other shooters have improved upon the
design, but this was really the one that popularized the genre.
3. Pong (Any early Pong dedicated console) - Hey, it's PONG, everyone
loves Pong.
4. Mario World (NES) - This was a console game through and through,
not the earliest real console game but probably the most influential
in the platform department.
5. Wolfenstein 3D (PC) - Who can deny this incredible games influence.
Cloned to the hilt. While the engines are completely new there is no
denying their relationship with this FPS.
6. Street Fighter (SNES or Genesis) - This Arcade series, though
popular today in arcades, really found its true home on the consoles.
It has spawned so many iterations and clones it's almost unthinkable.
It has easily made Capcom the most recognizable name for 2D fighters.
7. Tomb Raider (PSX) - I really dislike this game, but it really has
to be included for its meaning to the 3D action/adventure genre and
Sony's current dominance in the home console market.
8. Tetris (Gameboy) - This game pops up on every console, but the
Gameboy is probably the most familiar. I cannot remember seeing
someone with a gameboy that did not have this game.
9. Warcraft II (PC) - There were RTS games on the PC before this one,
but they did not capture the public like this one. It spawned many
clones and online amateur development for new maps.
10. Final Fantasy VII (PSX) - Who can deny the influence this game has
had on Sony's machines, in both Japan and America. It also pulled
RPG's in America into a more mainstream gamers market.
Looking back at this 10 it is so sparse. Too many genres and systems
are left out. Still I think it gives a pretty good feel for
videogaming.
*Legion*
Guess you never played "Alone in the Dark".
>GTA 3....(first big non-linear game, the clones are coming)
There have been non-linear games for years before this, including a
number of PC RPGs.
-- *L*
evilc
Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
revolutionary?
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> J!m wrote in message <3D5A5AD2...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk>...
> >played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> >what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> >gaming world??
>
Gregory D. George
>
> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
As well as modern heavy. There were many influential games designed
before 1990 you know.
Gregory D. George
> OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
> Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
> revolutionary?
It's a fun game that has made me laugh out loud, but I agree... I don't
think it belongs on the list.
--
Robert P Holley
> played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> gaming world??
In no particular order:
Super Mario 64
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Mario Bros.
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
GrandTheft Auto 3
Goldeneye
Halo
Shenmue
Jet Set Radio Future
Phantasy Star Online
despondent
>played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>gaming world??
1. Zork (Surprised no one else mentioned this)
2. Pac-Man
3. Defender
4. Star Wars the Arcade Game
5. Zero Wing (All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
6. Space Invaders
7. Super Mario Brothers
8. Zaxxon
9. Shenmue (Dreamcast)
10. GTA3
Ted
"J!m" wrote:
>
> "Gregory D. George" wrote:
> >
snip
> > As for Virtua Fighter / SFII... SFII really got the fighting thing going
> > where as VF pushed it to a new (and ultimately permanent) style of using
> > 3D. Don't see too make 2D fighting games anymore.
> >
>
> capcom vs snk 2................
KOF2K came out on Dreamcast last week (my thumbnail is cutting into my
thumb to prove it) and is due on the PS2 in a couple of months. And
KOF2K1 is due in December on the DC. Playmore also rereleased Garou:MOTW
and KOF99 at reduced prices in Japan recently.
Mike
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> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:27:46 +0100, "J!m" <j...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
>>played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>>what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>>gaming world??
Here's my 10 in no particular order:
Doom - PC
Chrono Trigger - SNES
Street Fighter 2 - Arcade / MAME
Metal Slug - Arcade / MAME
Shenmue - Dreamcast
Metal Gear - NES / MSX
Half Life - PC
Dead or Alive 2 - Dreamcast (not the PS2 version)
Gunhed - PC Engine
Sensible Soccer - Amiga
I could have gone on and on, so picking these 10 was very difficult
indeed.
Mike
Scurvydog
I think it's a very important game in the videogame timeline. For
better or for worse take your pick, it's introduced an entire new
genre to videogaming.........Thugware.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:48:46 GMT, "evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote:
>OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
>Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
>revolutionary?
>"redsniper7000" <叵edsniper7000世NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message
wrestleantares
>> There really isn't a stand out driving game in my opinion... Maybe Hard
>> Drivin...
>>
>
>
>i have to agree - very few driving games are actually good enough to
>deserve any extra attention...
I don't think that's true, and I don't think that is exactly what the
original post was indicating. Driving games were a natural evolution.
If I had had a bit more than 10 spots I would certainly have included
one of a number of great racing games:
Pole Position (arcade)
Sprint (arcade)
or one of my personal favorites
Need For Speed (PC or 3DO)
>> Same goes for a God game. I love Populous II, but I don't think it
>> belongs on the list.
>>
>
>
>furry muff man.... i would say populous / black & white / syndicate goes
>well in here, but its your list!!
God games are not my preference. I hate them. Personal feelings
aside (I put Final Fantasy VII on my list even though I hate it) I
don't think God games have really defined themselves. Populas II
would be the closest.
>> As for Virtua Fighter / SFII... SFII really got the fighting thing going
>> where as VF pushed it to a new (and ultimately permanent) style of using
>> 3D. Don't see too make 2D fighting games anymore.
Virtua Fighter is certainly worthy (It's one of the few games
recognized in a Smithsonian exhibit for its design).
>
>capcom vs snk 2................
Tons of 2D fighting games just made by two companies really, and of
those 2 Capcom is clearly the leader.
wrestleantares
Coming to you from North Carolina, where we have a Governor whose claim to fame is that he got a minority scholarship (he's white) to go to a primarily black law school because he was too dumb to get into the white equivalent.
wrestleantares
>OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
>Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
>revolutionary?
Personally I don't think any PS2, XBOX, or GC game is ready for this
list.
None of those systems have games that I would classify as an instant
classic.
Robert P Holley
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>
> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more of a
1990-to-Current list.
> >And the greatest games of all time isS
Balls
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Good call FF7, even though I'd say it's influence has definitely been for
the worst... e.g. too many cinematics in RPGs, even though some aren't so
bad.
rrevved
<dioneo@hotmail(dot)com> wrote:
>
>Pong
>Space Invaders
>Pac-Man
>Donkey Kong
>Zork
>Ultima IV
>FF VII
>Tomb Raider
>GTA 3
>Ultima Online
Wolfenstein/Doom
Command & Conquer
Bruce Artwick's Flight Simulator
terrell gibbs
<j...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
> played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> gaming world??
Very few would be among the games that I consider the "most important,"
because one thing that makes a game important is that it opens up
entirely new vistas of gaming, and alters the industry. Which means
that there is probably a subsequent game that does the same thing even
better.
Pluvious
>OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
>Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
>revolutionary?
Yes, it IS important. It was the first MAINSTREAM HUGE SELLER that had adult
themes. It has opened up the possibilities for other developers to create more
adult themes games. It lets the developers know that if done right, adult themes
sell, and are excepted. Plus older gamers are finally getting games they want to
play.
I think it was a major breakthru.
Pluvious
Pluvious
>x-no-archive:yes
>
>"despondent" wrote:
>>
>> 1. Zork (Surprised no one else mentioned this)
>
>Heh, by the times listed, my post came just one minute after
>yours, and I not only mentioned Zork, but had it first,
>too. I'm not too surprised that it hasn't gotten much
>mention, but I was screwing around with that "dunnet"
>text adventure game that's embedded in emacs today, so
>Zork was the first thing I thought of. Man those were
>some cool games.
>
Zork was certainly a classic. So was Wizardry on the Apple II.
Wizardry got me into D&D and it really was the first to do 1st person.
Pluvious
>West of House.
>You are in an open field west of a big white house with a boarded front
>door.
>There is a small mailbox here.
>>
>
>
>(oh yeah, I was thinking about Tetris a few times while
>writing my post but forgot to add it. It definitely
>belongs on my list.)
>
>
TC1
2) pacman (Brought games to the for front back in the ealy 80s where grocery
stores even had the pacman arcades)
3) Super Mario 3 (Biggest selling game ever)
4) Final Fantasy 7 (Not just made rpgs mainstream but made the mainstream
for rpgs)
5) Mortal Kombat (brough game violence to the mainstream)
6) Wolfenstein 3D (1st FPS)
7) GTA 3 (after the MK contraversy died down this game - banned in some
countries - brought a city, a bat, and free will which lead to it being one
of if not the most contraversial game ever)
8) Zelda (c'mon)
9) Tetris (the most replay value ever in video game history)
10) Everquest (changed lives and absorbed others as it was and is the most
successful OLRPG game as its subscriptions alone bring sony 60 mill a year.)
evilc
up don't think it's fun running over people and acting like a thug. GTA 3
appeals to adolescent teens thinking it's cool to rebel. Try again.
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QUINCY
1. Pong
2. Space Invaders
3. Pac-Man
4. Donkey Kong
5. Double Dragon
6. Doom
7. Tecmo Bowl
8. Galaga
9. Super Mario
10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Juan C. Jiménez
@bellsouth.net says...
> >capcom vs snk 2................
>
> Tons of 2D fighting games just made by two companies really, and of
> those 2 Capcom is clearly the leader.
>
> wrestleantares
Um, I acknowledge that in terms of sales it's probbaly this way, and
that Capcom was the one that created the genre. But I honestly think
comparing their recent games I think SNK is (was) the clear winner.
Despite working in a technologically inferior platform, their games are
much better in terms of gameplay and, specially, overall style and
design.
And maybe it's only a personal appreciation, but I think both Capcom vs
SNK games show this. The old fighting SNK games were crap, but anything
after KOF 96 is clearly better than the contemporary Capcom efforts
IMHO.
--
Juan C. Jiménez
Bondo
"Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote:
>
> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
Nintendo is the single most influential and successful developer in the
history of video games...naturally they'd have the most on the top 10 list.
wrestleantares
wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:48:46 GMT, "evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
>>Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
>>revolutionary?
>
>Yes, it IS important. It was the first MAINSTREAM HUGE SELLER that had adult
>themes.
No it's not. Since when did all those FPS and other violent games
become child themes. Plus GTA 1 and 2 while not enjoying quite as
huge success, were certainly very popular (moreso among the PC crowd).
> It has opened up the possibilities for other developers to create more
>adult themes games. It lets the developers know that if done right, adult themes
>sell, and are excepted. Plus older gamers are finally getting games they want to
>play.
Not to mention, while it has decent gameplay it's "adult themes" seem
to appeal to a pretty immature crowd.
>I think it was a major breakthru.
Maybe, but time will tell.
>Pluvious
wrestleantares
Coming to you from North Carolina,
where we have a Governor whose claim to fame
is he got a minority scholarship (he's white)
wrestleantares
>
> I think it's a very important game in the videogame timeline. For
>better or for worse take your pick, it's introduced an entire new
>genre to videogaming.........Thugware.
>
It didn't introduce it. Notice the 3 in the title. Not to mention
Felony 1179 and others.
Perfected maybe, but introduced - far cry from it.
Bondo
D. George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
> Scurvydog wrote:
>>
>> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
>> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
>
> As well as modern heavy. There were many influential games designed
> before 1990 you know.
Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
(NES)? Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
fun...Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style of
video games at all. The pre-rebirth and post-rebirth were so
technologically different that the games from prior didn't really affect the
style after.
wrestleantares
<holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>"Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
>> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
>
>Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
>
>Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
>Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more of a
>1990-to-Current list.
Sure it's not bad if you ignore 20 plus years of gaming, the arcade
scene and computer gaming.
Other than that small fact, and the fact that it's a little Nintendo
heavy even for the 1990 to current, it's a great list.
wrestleantares
>3. Final Fantasy - Square (NES)
>
>Final Fantasy I both started the greatest RPG series but also was the first
>console RPG to truly hook American gamers. It says a lot when a game
>released over a decade ago is just as entertaining as the newest games.
>
Final Fantasy 1 did NOT hook Americans on console gaming. That was
much later with Final Fantasy VII. RPG gaming was a niche within the
gaming market until the PSX.
>
>*Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
>greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
>these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world.
Bullshit. I can name a dozen that had greater impact than all of
these.
Bondo
"Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
> "Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote in message
> news:3d5a84ec...@news.mindspring.com...
>>
>> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
>> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
>
> Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
Just as I expected, you call me a fanboy for having a lot of Nintendo games
when most people's lists should be Nintendo heavy as they have pretty
clearly been the most influential game developing company in history.
> Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
> Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more of a
> 1990-to-Current list.
1985 to current. From the launch of the NES. And IMO there weren't really
any great video games released before hand. Sure they were the first games
but I don't think in either quality or impact on the current gaming scene
any of the games before the NES was released had much influence.
Nicam
Haven't seen anyone mention International Track & Field or Hypersports which
in my eyes were the first real high profile sports sims seen in the arcade.
Sweaty button bashing everywhere.
Fighters had major influence from Karate Master, Yie Ar Kung Fu and
especially Way of The Exploding Fist - top game on the C64!
Nemesis & Salamander were also faves of mine due to the additon of power-ups
to the shoot em up genre, and then two player cooperation.
I used to spend a fortune playing Super Bubble Bobble in the arcade, and it
took a lot of my time up.
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Juan C. Jiménez
j...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk says...
> imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
> played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> gaming world??
>
Um, if I had to recommend 10 games to convince anyone of the greatness
of videogames, based on my personal tastes they would be those 10, in
this order:
1: SHENMUE 1 & 2: In fact they are more or less a whole story. It's not
still as popular as some people expected it to be, but I feel it's the
current pinnacle in videogame history, in terms of ambition and
accomplishment. There may be better games, but this is the game that
IMHO achieves the highest and hardest objectives to date.
Then, the rest in no particular order :):
- RADIANT SILVERGUN: Shooters aren't a mainstream genre, they are not
one of my favourite genres either, but this game is so good tahn it
overcomes that.
- SUPER MARIO 64: There have been good platformers after its release,
but no one has clearly surpassed its quality, and it was the inventor of
3D gaming.
- SUPER MARIO WORLD: This or Yoshi's Island, they are the perfect
representation of great and deep 2D gaming.
- KING OF FIGHTERS 2000: The best current offering (I've not played
2001) in the 2D genre. Capcom vs SNK 2 would be a great alternative too.
- TETRIS ATTACK: Original Tetris is superb, but this is the only game in
its genre that has surpassed it IMO, and I would choose it as the
representative of puzzle games. Kuru Kuru Kururin or Mr Driller would be
good choices too.
- JET SET RADIO: Or JSRF. They invented the first techincal graphical
innovation in 3D since the beginnings (and an innovation affecting
aesthetics and style, not only realism-pushing), and I don't know of a
better 3D action game than both of them.
- PROJECT GOTHAM RACING: It's the best racing game for the people who
doesn't like to bother with upgrades, pieces, and tuning. If my friend
liked that, I would recommend some Gran Turismo I guess.
- TONY HAWK PRO SKATER: The original and the best of the new trend of
extreme sports games.
- PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER: The best collective sports game ever IMO. The
gameplay is so good that it makes this game the best game in its genre
I've played, despite lacking in some of the seoncdary areas (graphics,
real teams and players, overall mood, gameplay modes, etc).
I know I've overlooked some popular picks and some fundamental genres in
videogames, but these are my tastes. I prefer to leave the decision in
other genres (god games, real time strategy, survival horror, gun
games), to the people who love them and have played a lot of them.
I also love some other quirky games, and I would show it to my
"virtual" friend, but if I included games like Rez or or Vib Ribbon
people here woul surely punish me :)
--
Juan C. Jiménez
Oz Scott
I'll represent the older generation:
Pitfall! (Atari 2600)
MLB Baseball (Intellivision)
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redsniper7000
evilc wrote in message ...
>Older gamers? Older gamers view GTA3 as a kiddie game. People who are grown
>up don't think it's fun running over people and acting like a thug. GTA 3
>appeals to adolescent teens thinking it's cool to rebel. Try again.
Judging on your posting history, that's exactly what you are.
Scurvydog
wrote:
>>imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
>>played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
>>what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
>>gaming world??
>
>
>1. Zork (Surprised no one else mentioned this)
I thought about it, the first succesful text based game, but my top
10 was already up to a top 12 & had to cut something out. Zork was
great !
Jordan Lund
> these our just my impressions to the games that seemed to have the most heat
> in my day and spawned the most clones. I don't play RPG's or racing games so
> I don't have much of an opinion on those :(
I'd say anything that defined a genre...
Asteroids - Free flight shooting
Space Invaders - Top down shooter
Pac-Man - Maze game
Defender - Side scrolling shooter
Robotron - Dual stick move and shoot game
Super Mario Brothers - Side Scrolling Platform
Temple of Apshai - RPG
Tetris - Puzzle
Wolfenstein 3D - FPS
Alone In the Dark - Survival Horror
- Jordan
OwnEmBoth
"Bondo" <bo...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> On 8/14/02 11:04 AM, in article 3D5A8E4B...@ataritimes.com, "Gregory
> D. George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
>
> Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
> (NES)? Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
> fun...Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style of
> video games at all.
How can you NOT think that these games, and games like them helped define
the ENTIRE video gaming industry?
Pong - The first "video game". If not for this one there may not have been
any more!
Pac-Man - Only the single most popular arcade game of all time! Apparently
you are too young to remember but there was a time you couldn't go anywhere
without running into a Pac-Man console in several different configurations,
all just waiting to eat your quarters.
Along those lines... Space Invaders? Asteroids? Defender? Boxing on the
Atari2600? And the first RPG that had more impact than a lot of people even
know, was probably Zork on the C64 not Zelda! Centipede? Missile Command?
How about baseball and football on the Magnavox Odyssey? First real sports
games available.
I would have to agree that the original Mario belongs somewhere on the list
only due to it's impact but there were other games like it before it came
out.
The pre-rebirth and post-rebirth were so
> technologically different that the games from prior didn't really affect
the
> style after.
>
This is absolutely inaccurate! There have been very few new genre's
introduced since the originals started hitting the market. Yeah, they look
better, sound better, and the controls have improved greatly but the current
generation of video games is still pretty tightly bound to it's roots.
Doesn't matter if you like them or not. Enough other people did that these
are classics and whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, they did, and
still do, impact almost every game you see. If for no other reason than
they showed the world just a little of what might be possible.
Scurvydog
I think my list had the greatest time spread going from 1958 til
2001, although I did cheat and put down 12...... :-)
Robert P Holley
> On 8/14/02 11:44 AM, in article aje4tv$1andge$1...@ID-121560.news.dfncis.de,
> "Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > "Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote in message
> > news:3d5a84ec...@news.mindspring.com...
> >>
> >> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
> >> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
> >
> > Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
>
> Just as I expected, you call me a fanboy for having a lot of Nintendo
games
> when most people's lists should be Nintendo heavy as they have pretty
> clearly been the most influential game developing company in history.
That statement sounds pretty elitist.
> > Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
> > Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more
of a
> > 1990-to-Current list.
>
> 1985 to current. From the launch of the NES. And IMO there weren't
really
> any great video games released before hand.
How would you know? Seriously...you were three years old in 1985.
> Sure they were the first games
> but I don't think in either quality or impact on the current gaming scene
> any of the games before the NES was released had much influence.
Now I'm being lectured about the pre-NES days by someone who wasn't even
around during that time. LOL
Gregory D. George
> Nintendo is the single most influential and successful developer in the
> history of video games...naturally they'd have the most on the top 10 list.
Yeah, but they wouldn't be anywhere if Atari hadn't paved the way. So
what does it say about your proclaimed "most influential & successful
developer" if they were already influenced by a previous company?
It's like saying that Tom Hanks is the most successful and influential
actor even though there were others that influenced him.
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> Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
> (NES)?
Yes, I did. It didn't say anything about only having games after 1990.
> *Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
> greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
> these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world. Also, the list
> is restricted to video games (not computer) since the market rebirth.
"All-time" greatest lists that only include the most recent games are
shortsighted and are ultimately a failure.
> Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
> fun...
If you were a doctor, I think you would be called a "quack."
> Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style of
> video games at all. The pre-rebirth and post-rebirth were so
> technologically different that the games from prior didn't really affect the
> style after.
Video gaming is an evolutionary process. Each generation influences the
next one. You can't build a skyscraper without the foundaton.
Onion Knight
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:44:13 -0400, "Onion Knight" wrote:
>
> >
> >Pong
> >Space Invaders
> >Pac-Man
> >Donkey Kong
> >Zork
> >Ultima IV
> >FF VII
> >Tomb Raider
> >GTA 3
> >Ultima Online
>
> Wolfenstein/Doom
> Command & Conquer
> Bruce Artwick's Flight Simulator
Those do deserve to be mentioned also, but those games represent three
genres I've never been into...
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Ted
Bondo wrote:
>
> On 8/14/02 11:04 AM, in article 3D5A8E4B...@ataritimes.com, "Gregory
> D. George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
>
> > Scurvydog wrote:
> >>
> >> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
> >> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
> >
> > As well as modern heavy. There were many influential games designed
> > before 1990 you know.
>
> Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
> (NES)? Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
> fun...
You find no enjoyment in any classic game? There is great personal
variation in what people like in classic games, so it wouldn't surprise
me if you didn't like a specific game (or many many specific games), or
if you preferred modern games over classic games. But for you to say you
found no fun in any classic games implies to me that you haven't tried
enough of them.
> Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style of
> video games at all. The pre-rebirth and post-rebirth were so
> technologically different that the games from prior didn't really affect the
> style after.
Other than shooters, disappearing blocks games (Tetris reinvented the
genre, but it's linked heavily back to Breakout), action games (ie the
link between ET or Raiders on the 2600 to Zelda on the NES), etc.
Grant Potter
Final Fantasy VII [psone]
What I feel to be the most defined and pivotal RPG in recent history and
definitely _the_ RPG to demonstrate the obsessive role-playing genre of
video-games.
Goldeneye [n64]
A mile-stone classic in console gaming - a truly playable first-person
shooter that does not rely on the trusty mouse & keyboard combo a PC offers.
Goldeneye offers the height of enjoyability from a first-person view.
Super Mario 64 [n64]
One of the biggest leaps video-gaming has faced: the jump from 2D to 3D,
excellently illustrated by SM64. It's also arguably the finest platformer
going.
Shenmue [dreamcast]
A linear story encased in a living breathing world. A recent milestone in
gaming, Shenmue offers the most real-to-life video-game action on any
platform.
Dance Dance Revolution [arcade]
A weird choice, yes - but DDR is a shining example of how games can be more
than simply pushing a few buttons... sheer involvement, and exciting fun:
DDR.
Soul Calibur [dreamcast]
The finest beat-em-up of all time? Soul Calibur effortlessly demonstrates
video-gaming's finest offering in the beat-em-up category.
Red Alert 2 [pc-cdrom]
Another classic: this time an example of how RTS games should be made.
Virtua Tennis 2 [dreamcast]
Easily the finest, most entertaining and fun sports title the games industry
has given birth to and therefore rightfully entitled to represent the sports
element of video-gaming.
Grand Theft Auto 3 [playstation2]
An unlikely choice even for myself! I do feel that GTA3 is an excellent
example of a free-roaming environment and the action-adventure genre itself.
Jet Set Radio Future [xbox]
A good example of wackyness and inventive flair - something often lacking in
the industry and something i feel a newcomer would both expect and
appreciate.
I've tried to pick these titles as best as possible. IMO, to introduce a
gaming virgin to older titles - as classic and enjoyable as they may be,
isn't the best way to represent gaming.
--
Grant Potter, a.k.a. Daft
grant....@gamenikki.fsnet.co.uk
Brenden D. Chase
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> Of ALL timer remember:
>
> 1- Shadowrun (snes and Sega Genesis)
> 2- Joust
> 3- Asteroid
> 4- NFL 2K2
> 5- Madden early series 93 I believe. The game where the ambulance comes on
I loved seeing them hit and run guys on the field while picking up the
injured player... i think that might have been 92 though.
--brenden
> the field and they actually pick up the injured player.
> 6- Cyberball (Sega Gen)
> 7-Quake
> 8-Mike Tysons Punch out (NES)
> 9- WCW wrestling(NES)
> 10- Rampage early edition (NES or Sega master system)
> "redsniper7000" <¥redsniper7000¥@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:j%s69.3165$%R5.10...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> > J!m wrote in message <3D5A5AD2...@redhat.freeserve.co.uk>...
> > >imagine if you had to reconmend 10 games to somebody who has never
> > >played video games before, from *any* platform and *any* generation,
> > >what 10 games would you choose to represent the entirety of the video
> > >gaming world??
> >
Brenden D. Chase
successfully.
--brenden
"evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote in message
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> OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a lot?
> Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars is
> revolutionary?
> "redsniper7000" <叵edsniper7000世NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message
The Claw
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>
> "Bondo" <bo...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:B98002BD.2936F%bo...@adelphia.net...
> > On 8/14/02 11:04 AM, in article 3D5A8E4B...@ataritimes.com,
"Gregory
> > D. George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
> > (NES)? Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
> > fun...Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style
of
> > video games at all.
>
> How can you NOT think that these games, and games like them helped define
> the ENTIRE video gaming industry?
Some younger gamers object to the lack of "glitz"; some retrogamers look
at the classics through a nostalgia-colored cloud. It's possible to not
like Pac-Man & Pong and still enjoy other games. It's even possible not to
like anything from the "classic" era and still be a gamer...you just have to
be both inexperienced and jaded. ;-)
> Pong - The first "video game". If not for this one there may not have
been
> any more!
Actually, "Pong" was only the first *arcade* game; the first "video
game" was Spacewar, on the PDP-1. (You can see a modified Spacewar,
published by Cinematronics, I believe, in the current versions of MAME.)
> Pac-Man - Only the single most popular arcade game of all time!
Apparently
> you are too young to remember but there was a time you couldn't go
anywhere
> without running into a Pac-Man console in several different
configurations,
> all just waiting to eat your quarters.
Well, except for "Professer Pac"...that just sort of sat there. ;-)
> Along those lines... Space Invaders? Asteroids? Defender? Boxing on
the
> Atari2600?
Yes...mm-hmm...right...HUH? If you're going to mention a 2600 game, I'd
recommend Pitfall!, or Demon Attack.
And the first RPG that had more impact than a lot of people even
> know, was probably Zork on the C64 not Zelda! Centipede? Missile
Command?
>
> How about baseball and football on the Magnavox Odyssey? First real
sports
> games available.
Except that they were really "Pong"...however, if you substitute "Mattel
Intellivision" for "Magnavox Odyssey", you've got something there.
> I would have to agree that the original Mario belongs somewhere on the
list
> only due to it's impact but there were other games like it before it came
> out.
Actually, "Donkey Kong" was the first platformer, I believe...at least,
I can't think of any other games with that mechanic (running-jumping) before
DK.
> The pre-rebirth and post-rebirth were so
> > technologically different that the games from prior didn't really affect
> the style after.
> >
>
> This is absolutely inaccurate!
I agree with you. Some gamers find the improved graphics in the
post-Crash era to be so "revolutionary" that they seem to miss the gameplay
"roots".
There have been very few new genre's
> introduced since the originals started hitting the market.
By my count, the last two "original" game genres to emerge have been
"Tetris" and "Lemmings".
Yeah, they look
> better, sound better, and the controls have improved greatly but the
current
> generation of video games is still pretty tightly bound to it's roots.
Too true...in fact, almost to the point of stagnation. That seems to be
improving somewhat these days, though. As the tools for making games get
cheaper, and the Internet and other marketing venues open to smaller
operations, we should start seeing innovative new games appear with
increasing frequency.
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street?? LOL. Maybe you just found the game to be too non linear and kept
getting lost on your way to a mission. Here's something funny. A friend of
mine was playing the second island for the first time. And he wanted to
know where the pay and spray was.... so I was sitting there giving him
directions like it was an actual city that I lived in all my life. it was
pretty humorous. I think I know Liberty City better than my own neighbor
hood.
--brenden
"evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote in message
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> Older gamers? Older gamers view GTA3 as a kiddie game. People who are
grown
> up don't think it's fun running over people and acting like a thug. GTA 3
> appeals to adolescent teens thinking it's cool to rebel. Try again.
>
> "Pluvious" <NEXE70...@ATTBI.COM> wrote in message
> news:o27llu4bq5v2p3v6v...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:48:46 GMT, "evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote:
> >
> > >OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a
lot?
> > >Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals cars
> is
> > >revolutionary?
> >
> > Yes, it IS important. It was the first MAINSTREAM HUGE SELLER that had
> adult
> > themes. It has opened up the possibilities for other developers to
create
> more
> > adult themes games. It lets the developers know that if done right,
adult
> themes
> > sell, and are excepted. Plus older gamers are finally getting games they
> want to
> > play.
> >
> > I think it was a major breakthru.
> >
> > Pluvious
pat
the games I go back to again and again:
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES
Unreal Tournament - DC
Space Megaforce - SNES
Sonic The Hedgehog - Genesis
Bust-A-Move 4 - DC
Mario 64 - N64
Banjoe Kazooie - N64
Mario Tennis - N64
Castlevania: SOTN - PSX
Test Drive: V-Rally - DC
I really had to resis the urge to include Fur Fighters. For whatever
reason, I really enjoy that game. I think shooting and exploration is a
winning combo. But it looks out of place in the above list. Recently, I've
been playing Wild Metal. I bought it on a hunch...seemed like a game I
would like, plus I've read a lot of good things about it in this news group.
I'm lovin' it. The game-play reminds me of a 3D version of the mine level
in Ranger-X; very methodical; positioning and cover is critical; sometimes,
you've just got to bum-rush your enemy. The only negative (besides the
lackluster graphics...don't care, they're great functionally), is that when
close to an enemy, high-ground is actually a disadvantage...you'll
overshoot. I recommend the game ($7 new at EB...$5 used).
Jordan Lund
> Also, I have not played one classic game that I found to be
> fun...Pac-Man? Pong? I don't think they influenced the current style of
> video games at all.
Actually you could make the argument that the modern idea of
deathmatching is an extended, first person, Pac Man. You're in a maze,
there are power-ups to collect, and 4 other people are trying to kill
you.
- Jordan
Bondo
"wrestleantares" <pada...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> 3. Final Fantasy - Square (NES)
>>
>> Final Fantasy I both started the greatest RPG series but also was the first
>> console RPG to truly hook American gamers. It says a lot when a game
>> released over a decade ago is just as entertaining as the newest games.
>>
>
> Final Fantasy 1 did NOT hook Americans on console gaming. That was
> much later with Final Fantasy VII. RPG gaming was a niche within the
> gaming market until the PSX.
Hmm, no, you are a moron. RPGs were big before FF7, it just happened to be
the first FF game on the PSX which happened to be the first console that was
mainstream.
>> *Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
>> greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
>> these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world.
>
> Bullshit. I can name a dozen that had greater impact than all of
> these.
You could name a dozen that YOU THINK had a greater impact...not a dozen
that HAD greater impact.
evilc
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Bondo
"wrestleantares" <pada...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:44:21 -0400, "Robert P Holley"
> <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
>> "Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote in message
>> news:3d5a84ec...@news.mindspring.com...
>>>
>>> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
>>> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
>>
>> Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
>>
>> Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
>> Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more of a
>> 1990-to-Current list.
>
> Sure it's not bad if you ignore 20 plus years of gaming, the arcade
> scene and computer gaming.
Computer gaming and console gaming are significantly different. Computer
gaming had little influence on the current state of video games. Same goes
for console games before the NES...the have little significant impact on the
current state of video games other than starting the industry...in terms of
the actual games they don't.
> Other than that small fact, and the fact that it's a little Nintendo
> heavy even for the 1990 to current, it's a great list.
I don't consider 5 of 10 to be Nintendo heavy...I consider that to be
exactly fitting considering all the genre's they've introduced.
Bondo
"Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote:
>
> I think my list had the greatest time spread going from 1958 til
> 2001, although I did cheat and put down 12...... :-)
Well, my reason for having a smaller range of 15 years is because I don't
think any games from before then deserved to be on the list...not that I
don't know about them. If I was just going to go simply on historical
impact I'd put Spacewar at number one as it was the first video game (game
shown on a video screen that has interactive controls). But I was going
more for the impact of games in molding the current gaming environment and
to be frank, anything before the NES didn't do shit for the current style of
games.
Bondo
"Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
> "Bondo" <bo...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:B980036E.29371%bo...@adelphia.net...
>> On 8/14/02 11:44 AM, in article aje4tv$1andge$1...@ID-121560.news.dfncis.de,
>> "Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Scurvydog" <s...@svy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:3d5a84ec...@news.mindspring.com...
>>>>
>>>> Bondo, enjoyed reading your comments, but man for a top 10 list a
>>>> lil Nintendo heavy don't ya think ?
>>>
>>> Would you expect anything different from the king of all fanboys? :-)
>>
>> Just as I expected, you call me a fanboy for having a lot of Nintendo
> games
>> when most people's lists should be Nintendo heavy as they have pretty
>> clearly been the most influential game developing company in history.
>
> That statement sounds pretty elitist.
What is wrong with elitist when you're right.
>>> Actually in all seriousness its not a bad list, Nintendo-heavy or not.
>>> Altho I wouldn't call this list "the greatest of all time". It's more
> of a
>>> 1990-to-Current list.
>>
>> 1985 to current. From the launch of the NES. And IMO there weren't
> really
>> any great video games released before hand.
>
> How would you know? Seriously...you were three years old in 1985.
Actually I was two...started playing NES when I was 5 in 88, but that
doesn't disallow me from knowing about things older or playing games
released earlier.
>> Sure they were the first games
>> but I don't think in either quality or impact on the current gaming scene
>> any of the games before the NES was released had much influence.
>
> Now I'm being lectured about the pre-NES days by someone who wasn't even
> around during that time. LOL
I played an Atari...and I've played many of the pre-NES games on emulation.
Bondo
George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
> Bondo wrote:
>
>> Nintendo is the single most influential and successful developer in the
>> history of video games...naturally they'd have the most on the top 10 list.
>
> Yeah, but they wouldn't be anywhere if Atari hadn't paved the way. So
> what does it say about your proclaimed "most influential & successful
> developer" if they were already influenced by a previous company?
>
> It's like saying that Tom Hanks is the most successful and influential
> actor even though there were others that influenced him.
Doesn't matter, Nintendo has innovated more with genres than they have taken
ideas from others. You have to remember Nintendo was making arcade games
back when Atari was going with consoles so they weren't really influenced
that much by Atari. Who did Nintendo take Donkey Kong from? No one, they
created that whole type of game out of the air...nothing even close had been
done.
Monsteroid.
> It was the open ended gameplay, fool. First game to ever pull it off
> successfully.
>
> --brenden
That's in the console world right? Ever hear of Daggerfall? You do
know that Bethesda's Elder Scrolls is a series with two other games in
it don't you? All of them are nonlinear with open ended gameplay.
Monsteroid.
Bondo
George" <gr...@ataritimes.com> wrote:
> Bondo wrote:
>
>> Did you bother to read the Ed. Note where I said it is since the rebirth
>> (NES)?
>
> Yes, I did. It didn't say anything about only having games after 1990.
I made it quite clear by saying after the rebirth which would be the release
of the NES in 85/87.
>> *Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
>> greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
>> these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world. Also, the list
>> is restricted to video games (not computer) since the market rebirth.
>
> "All-time" greatest lists that only include the most recent games are
> shortsighted and are ultimately a failure.
I didn't have any recent games...I had that were at least 5 years old.
Ron
thought you'd stop playing can be so easily forgotten.....makes it very hard
to come up with a list.....memories tend to be short when it comes to these
things.....not one of my all time favourites but has anyone mentioned the
sims, it's brought alot of people into gaming who never had an interest
before....that's pretty important isn't it?
Brenden D. Chase
--brenden
"evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote in message
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> Uh, no it's not, sperm reject.
>
> "Brenden D. Chase" <bren...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:UmA69.374004$DB.11...@news1.east.cox.net...
> > It was the open ended gameplay, fool. First game to ever pull it off
> > successfully.
> >
> > --brenden
> >
> >
> > "evilc" <no...@nope.com> wrote in message
> > news:ORv69.38667$Xb.55...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > OH BS on the GTA3. Why the fuck is GTA3 important? Because it sold a
> lot?
> > > Playing a gansta faggot thug bitch who runs over people and steals
cars
> is
> > > revolutionary?
> > > "redsniper7000" <¥redsniper7000¥@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message
Brenden D. Chase
games even come close to the sales of GTA3.
--brenden
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Bondo
92dbefbe.02081...@posting.google.com, "Jordan Lund"
<lu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Oh come on...that is about the biggest stretch I've seen someone take in a
long while...I'm surprised you didn't pull a muscle.
Dead to Rights
>know that Bethesda's Elder Scrolls is a series with two other games in
>it don't you? All of them are nonlinear with open ended gameplay.
Too bad they all suck ass.
__
"One who would give up good stories for good continuity deserves neither good
stories nor good continuity."
On Topic Guy
>On 8/14/02 12:20 PM, in article 3d5a9e98...@news.vistatech.net,
>"wrestleantares" <pada...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> 3. Final Fantasy - Square (NES)
>>>
>>> Final Fantasy I both started the greatest RPG series but also was the first
>>> console RPG to truly hook American gamers. It says a lot when a game
>>> released over a decade ago is just as entertaining as the newest games.
>>>
>>
>> Final Fantasy 1 did NOT hook Americans on console gaming. That was
>> much later with Final Fantasy VII. RPG gaming was a niche within the
>> gaming market until the PSX.
>
>Hmm, no, you are a moron. RPGs were big before FF7, it just happened to be
>the first FF game on the PSX which happened to be the first console that was
>mainstream.
Niche = nonmainstream
>>> *Ed. Note- When reading this article, be sure not to confuse the word
>>> greatest with the word best. While there have been improvements on most of
>>> these games, no games had more impact on the gaming world.
>>
>> Bullshit. I can name a dozen that had greater impact than all of
>> these.
>
>You could name a dozen that YOU THINK had a greater impact...not a dozen
>that HAD greater impact.
>
And your opinion in here is fact, excuse me gaming god.
On Topic Guy
Funny how Nintendo just came up with gaming on their own by your
surmise here.
Bondo
Topic Guy" <padams2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Just because they didn't invent the technology and didn't make the first
game doesn't mean there needs to be a more important game before them.
Bondo
criticizing me for ignoring the past...yet others are listing 6-7 games from
the past 5 years but they don't get replies...do you people love me that
much?
Bondo
Topic Guy" <padams2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:15:28 GMT, Bondo <bo...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> On 8/14/02 12:20 PM, in article 3d5a9e98...@news.vistatech.net,
>> "wrestleantares" <pada...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> 3. Final Fantasy - Square (NES)
>>>>
>>>> Final Fantasy I both started the greatest RPG series but also was the first
>>>> console RPG to truly hook American gamers. It says a lot when a game
>>>> released over a decade ago is just as entertaining as the newest games.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Final Fantasy 1 did NOT hook Americans on console gaming. That was
>>> much later with Final Fantasy VII. RPG gaming was a niche within the
>>> gaming market until the PSX.
>>
>> Hmm, no, you are a moron. RPGs were big before FF7, it just happened to be
>> the first FF game on the PSX which happened to be the first console that was
>> mainstream.
>
> Niche = nonmainstream
But the whole market was nonmainstream...RPGs were not a niche in the
videogame market. So FF7 didn't make RPGs mainstream.
evilc
> > successfully.
"
Daggerfall pulled it off successfully. Learn how to speak English. Your
sentence in no way implies that you meant high sales with your use of
"successfully".
"Brenden D. Chase" <bren...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gregory D. George
> Doesn't matter, Nintendo has innovated more with genres than they have taken
> ideas from others. You have to remember Nintendo was making arcade games
> back when Atari was going with consoles so they weren't really influenced
> that much by Atari. Who did Nintendo take Donkey Kong from? No one, they
> created that whole type of game out of the air...nothing even close had been
> done.
Donkey Kong is a maze game. There were plenty of maze games before
Donkey Kong.
Atari created all the genres long before Nintendo came along.
--
Gregory D. George
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