XSN is out ...
Anita John
cancelled. Maybe this is an indicator of XB2 in 2005. Flame on ...
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hear them speak.'
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"Anita John" <bri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> At www.ign.com it was announced that the 2005 lineup of XSN sports games
is
> cancelled. Maybe this is an indicator of XB2 in 2005. Flame on ...
Does anyone actually purchase XSN games?
Skye
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I bought Links, and for the first 3 months the XSN component of it was
completely fucked up.
Skye
Xbot
"Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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All of the XSN titles were screwed up because they allowed Rainbow Six 3 to
access the same database and their implementation was so shoddy it wound up
bogging down the entire network.
Not that I'm apologizing - as soon as they identified the trouble, they
should have cut off RS3's ability to access their database until they got
their shit straight.
DugFreez
Top Spin..........Hello?
Mattinglyfan
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No way, there were a heck of a lot more people playing R6 than any on the
XSN titles.
BKR
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> > Does anyone actually purchase XSN games?
>
> Top Spin..........Hello?
Top Spin was a really good game, no doubt bout that.
BKR
terry vickers
I have Links & Top Spin, and will be getting Rallysport Challenge 2.
I'm from the UK and North American sports, or their gaming equivalent, don't
appeal to me.
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John Bigbooty
Top Spin and Links were big sellers. I also bought Amped 2.
Mark
BKR
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Were they really big sellers or just good games?
The only titles I would miss (a lil) is Top Spin and Amped (even though I'd
much rather play SSX games)
Skye
"BKR" <private@?.net> wrote in message
Top Spin and Links were merely good games. Neither sold worth a damn. Amped
2 sold far worse.
Skye
Xbot
So what? Rainbow's stats were screwed up, too. I wasn't advocating that they
ban Rainbow from Live, just that they cut off access to the stats-tracking
database. It wouldn't have hurt Rainbow since their stats were screwed up in
the first place and it would have helped all the XSN titles.
Tox64
actually play golf. I'm sure Tiger is preferred by neophytes and
non-golfers but there's no accounting for tatse.
Scott
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>
Skye
Do real golfers have blue lines shooting out of their putters telling them
where to aim? Do the drivers of real golfers glow red and shake to alert
them they've reached the top of their swing?
TW and Links are both arcade golf games, but each has plusses and minuses.
Links has a shitty single player game(and that's being kind, it's actually
the worst single player golf game I've ever bought). Tiger Woods 2004 has
the best single player game. Links has better graphics (much better). Tiger
has a better selection of courses. Links has the best online options,
although both suffer from the same moronic "whoever plays the most is at the
top of the rankings list, rather than the best being at the top". Links
models sidehill lies better, but Tiger Woods handles rough and sand play
infinitely better than Links, which doesn't appear to offer anything in the
way of a challenge from the rough or sand. The player editor in TW doesn't
just destroy Links', it destroys every other game that has a player editor.
Skye
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Tox64
with the default golfer on hard difficulty. I never built my player up very
much because I wanted a game that was as close as possible to real golf.
With this setup the putting line is very short, so nailing taht 20 footer is
not easy. There wont be any rounds of 40 or 50 with this setup. So if you
are shooting in the 40's or 50's then you probably built up your golfer's
stats until he/she was a super duper star.
I made a golfer and only improved his accuracy and putting by 1 point, and
distance by 2 points. With this golfer shooting under par is no mean feat.
Try it on hard with a brand new golfer and I bet you change your tune.
You are right though in that neither is perfect, and Links definitely needs
more courses, but what I really hate about TW is the aiming flag. The fact
that you can see the flight path of your ball, and the EXACT location it is
going to hit, given a decent shot, makes the game way to arcade-like and
unrealistic.
Finally if you haven't seen Links running at 480p you are missing a treat.
Scott
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Skye
including my own, are routinely in the high 50s. Links Xbox isn't a sim.
It's arcade golf. Links PC (and Tiger Woods PC) is a different story, but
ask a diehard PC golf gamer which console game is a good sim and they'll
laugh in your face. One doesn't exist. In fact, they'd most likely refer to
you ,as a Links Xbox player, a golfing "neophyte" since real golf gamers
play on the PC.
Skye
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Union Kane
Maybe so, but when you spend all that money advertising XSN, you can't just
let it go to shit like they did. R6 still would have been the most popular
game at the time. They made XSN one of the main factors to get a lot of
games. Top Spin, Links, Fever, Rivals etc. They should worry about the
house first before the others.
Dan S
> Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf
This statement makes me sick every time I see it.
There is no golf game on the market (PC or console) which is even
remotely close to the real game.
terry vickers
> to you ,as a Links Xbox player, a golfing "neophyte" since real golf
> gamers play on the PC.
Do real golfers use a mouse to swing their clubs? ;)
Skye
Robert P Holley
Nor is there a football game.
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Front Office Football.
Skye
Robert P Holley
A management sim isn't remotely close the the real game.
Tox64
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Tox64
BTW I've been playing golf since I was 6, I'm 40 now, and PC golf games
since Excecutive Leaderboard on the C-64 so don't give me that "real golfers
play on a PC" bullshit.
Look if you all think TW is closer to real golf that's fine, but your
stooping to thinly veiled insults to try and put someone down is the mark of
a true paltroon.
Scott
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Skye
intelligent president. When "closest" is a million miles away, it loses its
meaning.
Skye
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Skye
close to real golf. Links and TW are arcade golf games. If you want
something "close" to a sim, you need to play on the PC.
Skye
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Tox64
viewing portraits of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison
at Monticello, "...and who are these fellows"
Scott
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Robert P Holley
> A neophyte eh? That's funny because I'm a 2 handicap how about you.
>
> BTW I've been playing golf since I was 6, I'm 40 now, and PC golf
> games since Excecutive Leaderboard on the C-64 so don't give me that
> "real golfers play on a PC" bullshit.
>
> Look if you all think TW is closer to real golf that's fine, but your
> stooping to thinly veiled insults to try and put someone down is the
> mark of a true paltroon.
Spnakage!
Dan S
the real thing?
My bullshit meter is going off the charts!
Dan S
from someone who claims he is a 2 handicap.
But then again, I don't believe you're a 2 handicap either.
If you have a 2 handicap, you must have a USGA membership number. Don't
suppose you would want to share it? I could easily verify you have a 2
handicap.
Skye
dullard in the White House now.
"Tox64" <to...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robert P Holley
> You're a 2 handicap, and you honestly think a golf game comes close to
> the real thing?
>
> My bullshit meter is going off the charts!
I don't thing he ever said it "comes close to the real thing", he just said
when comparing TW versus Links, Links is the closest to real golf between
the two.
Dan S
"Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
I see no mention of TW in that staement. Maybe I'm wrong but to me that
is saying Links is close to real golf.
But assuming you're correct, I would still disagree. Links is no closer
a replication of real golf then TW is. It may seem to be more "serious"
and it may be more challenging. But in the end it is just a game, as is TW.
To me, someone with a single digit handicap would never even compare the
real sport (which is a fantastically challenging game) to a video game.
Skye
is not Link's specialty. Graphically it's superior. Online play is superior.
Single player, player customization, the handling of sand and rough lies,
number of big name players and golfers, the creativity of fictional
courses...these are all areas in which TW smacks the shit outa Links. But
neither is a sim. Neither comes close to it.
Skye
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terry vickers
>
> BTW I've been playing golf since I was 6, I'm 40 now, and PC golf games
> since Excecutive Leaderboard on the C-64 so don't give me that "real
> golfers play on a PC" bullshit.
>
> Look if you all think TW is closer to real golf that's fine, but your
> stooping to thinly veiled insults to try and put someone down is the mark
> of a true paltroon.
Amen. ;)
Robert P Holley
> ahem..direct quote
>
> "Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
> especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying directly to a
post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
> I see no mention of TW in that staement. Maybe I'm wrong but to me
> that
> is saying Links is close to real golf.
Skyes post read like this:
"Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Links is real golf? Do real golfers shoot in the 40s and 50s all the time?
> Do real golfers have blue lines shooting out of their putters telling them
> where to aim? Do the drivers of real golfers glow red and shake to alert
> them they've reached the top of their swing?
>
> TW and Links are both arcade golf games, but each has plusses and minuses.
> Links has a shitty single player game(and that's being kind, it's
actually
> the worst single player golf game I've ever bought). Tiger Woods 2004 has
> the best single player game. Links has better graphics (much better).
Tiger
> has a better selection of courses. Links has the best online options,
> although both suffer from the same moronic "whoever plays the most is at
the
> top of the rankings list, rather than the best being at the top". Links
> models sidehill lies better, but Tiger Woods handles rough and sand play
> infinitely better than Links, which doesn't appear to offer anything in
the
> way of a challenge from the rough or sand. The player editor in TW doesn't
> just destroy Links', it destroys every other game that has a player
editor.
> But assuming you're correct, I would still disagree. Links is no
> closer
> a replication of real golf then TW is. It may seem to be more
> "serious" and it may be more challenging. But in the end it is just a
> game, as is TW.
I'll have to remember that come this fall when you guys start arguing about
Madden versus ESPN and which one is closer to "real" football.
BKR
no-brainer
Madden! ;-)
Dan S.
<holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>Dan S wrote:
>> ahem..direct quote
>>
>> "Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
>> especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
>
>You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying directly to a
>post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
So hoiw did I take it out of context? The line above pretty much sums
it seems pretty to the point. I know you hate Skye, but this guy is
making a pretty outlandish claim IMO, and before you label me an EA
lover, I prefer the Links game to TW.
>Skyes post read like this:
>"Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:WsDac.3355$w84.3...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> Links is real golf? Do real golfers shoot in the 40s and 50s all the time?
>> Do real golfers have blue lines shooting out of their putters telling them
>> where to aim? Do the drivers of real golfers glow red and shake to alert
>> them they've reached the top of their swing?
>>
>> TW and Links are both arcade golf games, but each has plusses and minuses.
>> Links has a shitty single player game(and that's being kind, it's
>actually
>> the worst single player golf game I've ever bought). Tiger Woods 2004 has
>> the best single player game. Links has better graphics (much better).
>Tiger
>> has a better selection of courses. Links has the best online options,
>> although both suffer from the same moronic "whoever plays the most is at
>the
>> top of the rankings list, rather than the best being at the top". Links
>> models sidehill lies better, but Tiger Woods handles rough and sand play
>> infinitely better than Links, which doesn't appear to offer anything in
>the
>> way of a challenge from the rough or sand. The player editor in TW doesn't
>> just destroy Links', it destroys every other game that has a player
>editor.
Ok, so I read his post. I agree with almost everything he said,
especially the rough / sand and sidehill lies. I'll still take Links
it is more challenging, but his post isn't inaccurate in any way, nor
is it fanboyish.
>> But assuming you're correct, I would still disagree. Links is no
>> closer
>> a replication of real golf then TW is. It may seem to be more
>> "serious" and it may be more challenging. But in the end it is just a
>> game, as is TW.
>
>I'll have to remember that come this fall when you guys start arguing about
>Madden versus ESPN and which one is closer to "real" football.
Apples and Oranges. In football games you can choose to be the coach,
where in golf games you must be the player. But I'll agree they are
all still games.
Mattinglyfan
The results of that "management sim" are quite a bit more accurate than
anything that has been released since. Are you debating that?
Skye
"Dan S." <jonahfal...@Iamaloserwithnolife.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:35:40 -0500, "Robert P Holley"
> <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Dan S wrote:
> >> ahem..direct quote
> >>
> >> "Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
> >> especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
> >
> >You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying directly
to a
> >post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
>
> So hoiw did I take it out of context? The line above pretty much sums
> it seems pretty to the point. I know you hate Skye, but this guy is
> making a pretty outlandish claim IMO, and before you label me an EA
> lover, I prefer the Links game to TW.
To be fair, I don't think he hates me. He hates what I do to him.
I take Links over TW too. But Robbie doesn't want you to know that, because
it destroys his delusion that I'm an EA fanboy, when in fact I'm simply a
fanboy of games I want to play.
I'll never confuse Links nor TW for being a sim, but the difference is that
EA doesn't purport TW on the consoles to be a sim, but MS does. So in that
regard, MS is off their rocker.
Skye
Robert P Holley
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:35:40 -0500, "Robert P Holley"
> <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
>> Dan S wrote:
>>> ahem..direct quote
>>>
>>> "Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
>>> especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
>>
>> You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying
>> directly to a post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
>
> So hoiw did I take it out of context?
I explained it already. His quote was a reply to Skye's comparision of the
two game. He's not claiming Links (by itself) is the closest thing to real
golf, he was saying when comparing TW to Links, Links is closer to real
golf.
> The line above pretty much sums
> it seems pretty to the point. I know you hate Skye,
Obviously not as much as you love him.
> but this guy is
> making a pretty outlandish claim IMO,
But when Skye makes outlandish claims or creates trollish threads you're
suddenly silent as a church mouse.
> and before you label me an EA
> lover,
I think we've established what you "love."
> I prefer the Links game to TW.
>
>> Skyes post read like this:
>> "Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:WsDac.3355$w84.3...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>>> Links is real golf? Do real golfers shoot in the 40s and 50s all
>>> the time? Do real golfers have blue lines shooting out of their
>>> putters telling them where to aim? Do the drivers of real golfers
>>> glow red and shake to alert them they've reached the top of their
>>> swing?
>>>
>>> TW and Links are both arcade golf games, but each has plusses and
>>> minuses. Links has a shitty single player game(and that's being
>>> kind, it's actually the worst single player golf game I've ever
>>> bought). Tiger Woods 2004 has the best single player game. Links
>>> has better graphics (much better). Tiger has a better selection of
>>> courses. Links has the best online options, although both suffer
>>> from the same moronic "whoever plays the most is at the top of the
>>> rankings list, rather than the best being at the top". Links models
>>> sidehill lies better, but Tiger Woods handles rough and sand play
>>> infinitely better than Links, which doesn't appear to offer
>>> anything in the way of a challenge from the rough or sand. The
>>> player editor in TW doesn't just destroy Links', it destroys every
>>> other game that has a player editor.
>
> Ok, so I read his post. I agree with almost everything he said,
There's a surprise.
> especially the rough / sand and sidehill lies. I'll still take Links
> it is more challenging, but his post isn't inaccurate in any way, nor
> is it fanboyish.
No one claimed Skye was a fanboy from this statement. Tox64 just disagreed
with Skye's post that Link's was an arcade game in the same vein as TW. You
then had to jump in to defend Skye's honor (once again) and claim this guy
was wrong.
It reminds me when you ended up playing Hostile in the game of ESPN
football, when it was Skye making all the outlandish statements about the
game. The way you stick up and defend him all the time, I wouldn't be
surprised if you were his older brother.
>>> But assuming you're correct, I would still disagree. Links is no
>>> closer
>>> a replication of real golf then TW is. It may seem to be more
>>> "serious" and it may be more challenging. But in the end it is just
>>> a game, as is TW.
>>
>> I'll have to remember that come this fall when you guys start
>> arguing about Madden versus ESPN and which one is closer to "real"
>> football.
>
> Apples and Oranges.
Wrong.
> In football games you can choose to be the coach,
> where in golf games you must be the player.
Still doesn't make it any more "real."
> But I'll agree they are
> all still games.
Thus the reason no game can be any more real than the other, right? No golf
game is any more real than another other, just as no football game can be
anymore real than another.
Robert P Holley
> "Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote in message
> news:c4jual$2kb6mo$1...@ID-121560.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Mattinglyfan wrote:
>>> "Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:c4hggc$2it6v4$1...@ID-121560.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>> Dan S wrote:
>>>>> Tox64 wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This statement makes me sick every time I see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no golf game on the market (PC or console) which is even
>>>>> remotely close to the real game.
>>>>
>>>> Nor is there a football game.
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>>>>
>>>
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>>
>> A management sim isn't remotely close the the real game.
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>>
>
> The results of that "management sim" are quite a bit more accurate
> than anything that has been released since. Are you debating that?
The results of Links can be accurate as well...as can the results of any
sport title. Doesn't make them anymore real.
Tox64
than any other video game, which is about all we can say about ANY
videogame.
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Tox64
That is exactly right. Thanks for the backup.
Regards,
Scott
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Tox64
you want to play a USGA sanctioned event, so don't give me that cock & bull
story. Besides that I haven't been a USGA member since I was charter member
of the USJGA back in the day. On top of that, I don't care if you believe
it or not.
I'm not sure what your problem is, but here is my original statement. NO
WHERE in it do I say Links is like real golf, I said it crushes TW. Later I
stated that it was closer to real golf than TW but I never said it was like
real golf. This Skye person jumped to that conclusion in response to my
statment. So before you start making claims that I said this, or I said
that, you should go back and actually read the posts!
Here is my quote:
"Top Spin is terrific and Links crushes Tiger Woods.... that is if you
actually play golf. I'm sure Tiger is preferred by neophytes and
non-golfers but there's no accounting for tatse."
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Robert P Holley
> Robert,
>
> That is exactly right. Thanks for the backup.
You're welcome.
Dan S
> Dan S. wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:35:40 -0500, "Robert P Holley"
>><holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dan S wrote:
>>>
>>>>ahem..direct quote
>>>>
>>>>"Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
>>>>especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
>>>
>>>You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying
>>>directly to a post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
>>
>>So hoiw did I take it out of context?
>
>
> I explained it already. His quote was a reply to Skye's comparision of the
> two game. He's not claiming Links (by itself) is the closest thing to real
> golf, he was saying when comparing TW to Links, Links is closer to real
> golf.
>
Ok, well I interpeted it differently then.
>>The line above pretty much sums
>>it seems pretty to the point. I know you hate Skye,
>
>
> Obviously not as much as you love him.
>
Ah, I knew it would go here. Why exactly? Because you can't have someone
disagree with you without them being in Skye's group. You need to get
over him, it is obsessive behaviour.
>
>>but this guy is
>>making a pretty outlandish claim IMO,
>
>
> But when Skye makes outlandish claims or creates trollish threads you're
> suddenly silent as a church mouse.
For the record I don't post much. Also I said the "statement" make me
sick. I think it was Tot who started with the name calling. But since
you only read what you want to read, I wouldn't expoect you to understand.
>
>>and before you label me an EA
>>lover,
>
>
> I think we've established what you "love."
>
What are you 12?
>
> There's a surprise.
>
An you following up a Sklye post attacking him, or attacking anyone who
doesn't agree with you is a surpirse?
>>especially the rough / sand and sidehill lies. I'll still take Links
>>it is more challenging, but his post isn't inaccurate in any way, nor
>>is it fanboyish.
>
>
> No one claimed Skye was a fanboy from this statement. Tox64 just disagreed
> with Skye's post that Link's was an arcade game in the same vein as TW. You
> then had to jump in to defend Skye's honor (once again) and claim this guy
> was wrong.
>
Wrong dispshit. Stop making shit up. I said Statements like that make me
sick. He made a statement that Links is far closer to real golf then TW.
Thats what I was basing my remarks on. But your so fucking hung up on
Skye your twisting it around.
> It reminds me when you ended up playing Hostile in the game of ESPN
> football, when it was Skye making all the outlandish statements about the
> game. The way you stick up and defend him all the time, I wouldn't be
> surprised if you were his older brother.
Seriously, do you just sit around and make shit up all the time, or do
you really believe that. Because at the time I thought EA was a better
game (which I don't anymore after extensive playing of ESPN) I was
sticking up for Skye.
No I got into it with Hostile, for other reason. We got together for a
game to iron out our differences, he won and I was the first to come on
here and post he won and congratulate him.
Unlike you, I can settle things without having to resort to the same old
tired tactics.
>
>>>>But assuming you're correct, I would still disagree. Links is no
>>>>closer
>>>>a replication of real golf then TW is. It may seem to be more
>>>>"serious" and it may be more challenging. But in the end it is just
>>>>a game, as is TW.
>>>
>>>I'll have to remember that come this fall when you guys start
>>>arguing about Madden versus ESPN and which one is closer to "real"
>>>football.
>>
>>Apples and Oranges.
>
>
> Wrong.
>
Um no not wrong, but hey at least you explained clearly how a team
sports and one where you can act only as a coach in video game form, is
exactly like an individual sport where you must control the action.
Congratulations on a great argument.
>
>>In football games you can choose to be the coach,
>>where in golf games you must be the player.
>
>
> Still doesn't make it any more "real."
Yes, exactly what I said in my next line.
>
>>But I'll agree they are
>>all still games.
>
>
> Thus the reason no game can be any more real than the other, right? No golf
> game is any more real than another other, just as no football game can be
> anymore real than another.
I don't know what your problem is Robert. I was simply replying to a
post in which someone said something I did not agree with. Maybe it
makes you feel better when you attack people that you can justify it by
saying they agree with Skye, I don't know.
But this argument had nothing to do with him, until you had to resort to
your tired tactics of making it about him. You can;t stand the guy, but
you post about him more than anythign else, but go ahead ane believe I
am the one with the problem.
Dan S
> No I don't think it comes close to the real thing, but Links comes closer
> than any other video game, which is about all we can say about ANY
> videogame.
>
Look, I didn't mean to start a whole thing. I was simply commenting on a
statement, I don't agree with and see a lot.
I think Links is the better game of the two. I don't think any game is
close to real golf. If I over reacted to your statements then I
apologise. I simple didn't like you response to me at the time and I can
see why you didn't like mine.
Hopefully this is over, but feel free to believe Robert and his lies and
lump me in with whomever you desire.
Dan S
> You don't need a USGA membership number in order to hold a handicap, unless
> you want to play a USGA sanctioned event, so don't give me that cock & bull
> story. Besides that I haven't been a USGA member since I was charter member
> of the USJGA back in the day. On top of that, I don't care if you believe
> it or not.
>
I already (hopefully) put an end to this in another post. But on the
above comment, I'd seriously like to know how you keep an accurate
handicap without being a USGA member. Since to my knowledge only the
USGA can give an official handicap, and other systems don't use their
foumlae when determining handicaps.
How do you participate in any tournaments without a USGA handicap. I now
that you could, as you say take part in non-USGA tournaments. But, most
local tourneys and local course tourneys always require a USGA handicap.
Please don't take this as an attack, I seriously want to know so I don't
have to give those a-holes the money every year.
Skye
> Robert P Holley wrote:
> > Dan S. wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:35:40 -0500, "Robert P Holley"
> >><holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dan S wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>ahem..direct quote
> >>>>
> >>>>"Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
> >>>>especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
> >>>
> >>>You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying
> >>>directly to a post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
> >>
> >>So hoiw did I take it out of context?
> >
> >
> > I explained it already. His quote was a reply to Skye's comparision of
the
> > two game. He's not claiming Links (by itself) is the closest thing to
real
> > golf, he was saying when comparing TW to Links, Links is closer to real
> > golf.
> >
>
> Ok, well I interpeted it differently then.
>
> >>The line above pretty much sums
> >>it seems pretty to the point. I know you hate Skye,
> >
> >
> > Obviously not as much as you love him.
> >
>
> Ah, I knew it would go here. Why exactly? Because you can't have someone
> disagree with you without them being in Skye's group. You need to get
> over him, it is obsessive behaviour.
It's hilarious behavior. Lil Robbie is my puppet. I post and then watch him
flop around like a moron.
Skye
Skye
Problem is that it isn't closer to the real game. And Links is advertised as
a sim, yet there's one kind of sand lie, and one kind of lie in the rough.
That's close to a sim? When an arcadey game like TW or Hot Shots handles
shots from the bunkers and rough better than you, you're not a sim. And I
repeat, I prefer Links.
I also enjoy the hysterics my posts put lil Robbie into.
Skye
Robert P Holley
> Robert P Holley wrote:
>> Dan S. wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:35:40 -0500, "Robert P Holley"
>>> <holl...@delanet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dan S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ahem..direct quote
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sorry Skye but Links is, BY FAR, the closest thing to real golf,
>>>>> especially with the default golfer on hard difficulty."
>>>>
>>>> You're taking that totally out of context. Tox64 was replying
>>>> directly to a post of Skye's where he was comparing TW to Links.
>>>
>>> So hoiw did I take it out of context?
>>
>>
>> I explained it already. His quote was a reply to Skye's comparision
>> of the two game. He's not claiming Links (by itself) is the closest
>> thing to real golf, he was saying when comparing TW to Links, Links
>> is closer to real golf.
>>
>
> Ok, well I interpeted it differently then.
Fair enough, end of thread. :-)
Tox64
free calculator at
http://golf.about.com/cs/handicapping/a/howcalculated.htm
However I can be pretty lazy so I normally don't go to that much trouble. I
normally use the following formula which is still pretty good even though it
doesn't take course rating into account.
The formula is
take your last 10 rounds, throw out the high and low, you then subtract your
score for each round from the par for the course. Then multiply that value
by .85 which gives you your handicap. So an 85 on a par 72 would mean:
(85-72) * .85 = 11.05 or an 11 handicap.
So for 10 rounds of;
80,78,82,74,77,75,77,85,88,76
80-72 = 8
78-72 = 6
82-70 = 12 (This was a different course)
74-70 = 4 " "
77-72 = 5
75-72 = 3
77-72 = 3
83-72 = 11
88-72 = 16
76-72= 4
Throw out the high and low
(8+6+12+4+5+3+11+4)/8 = 5.6
So, actually according to my formula I am actually holding a 6 handicap, not
a 2. But I will get it dwon before the end of the year.
>
> I already (hopefully) put an end to this in another post. But on the
> above comment, I'd seriously like to know how you keep an accurate
> handicap without being a USGA member. Since to my knowledge only the
> USGA can give an official handicap, and other systems don't use their
> foumlae when determining handicaps.
>
> How do you participate in any tournaments without a USGA handicap. I now
> that you could, as you say take part in non-USGA tournaments. But, most
> local tourneys and local course tourneys always require a USGA handicap.
>
I don't play in tournaments anymore, other than company type stuff, so an
official USGA approved handicap isn't so important to mee. If you are
palying in USGA sanctioned events you're just going to have to grin and bear
it and pay'em.
Tox64
be illustrated by the fact that, what I thought was an innocent statement,
blew up into all this. I wasn't trying to start anything either I was just
adding my thoughts that, IMO, Links was better than TW.
At least we ironed it out in the end because I hate it when posts degenerate
into flame wars.
Regards,
Scott
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Dan S
If you're just keeping your own handicap, I highly recommend getting
intelligolf if you own a pda. It does all of this for you and lets you
know where you need to work on your game. Although being a 6 (or 2) you
probably already know that. For someone like myself who is hovering
just above single digits it is a valuable tool.
Skye
What about those of us hovering comfortably in the 90s?
Skye
Tox64
That sounds good. I will definitely check it out. Unfortunately having just
turned the big 40 I think my golf game is going to start heading the way of
the Dodo. :)
Thanks
Scott