PS2, such a beast
You Are
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exclusive...if it is, how in the hell do you know if the PS2 doesn't have
the power to run it well???
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brian hopkinson
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> yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as
the DC version
>
>
>
Writing this as a DC owner why are you such a twat as to
x-post shit like this.
Bri
motoSL
idea whatsoever if PS2 can do Ecco because it hasn't even been attempted. If
you want to talk about raw specs, then PS2 can easily do Ecco, I'm sure of
it.
Ste Birmo
> yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
You have no idea.
Spag Bol
>yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
>
You really don`t do DC owners any favours, you know?
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> You Are an idiot for all the dumb cross-posts, and besides that, you have
no
> idea whatsoever if PS2 can do Ecco because it hasn't even been attempted.
If
> you want to talk about raw specs, then PS2 can easily do Ecco, I'm sure of
> it.
>
> You Are <1...@345.com> wrote in message
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Shit Faced Monkey
plonkville*
Ste Birmo
> ::cough:: Lack of VRAM...
I refer that nasty cough of yours to: www.coremagazine.com/features/19.php3
(or for the lazy:)
"PlayStation 2's VRAM limits and the machine's architecture in general
suggests some new ways of thinking about how your game engine should
work, and this is something that developers are just starting to realize.
Without going into details, we are taking a fresh approach to the issue of
texture space on this new console which will pretty much remove any
limitations on the quality of textures we can use in our games."
- James Busby, SCEE
"The thing that some developers seem to be ignoring is the fact that the
PS2's VRAM is supposed to be used as local cache (with textures being
moved into and out of VRAM during the game), not as permanent texture
storage." - Dean Ashton, SCEE:
TechniQ
Don't you just hate children who can probably barely add 2 and 2 together,
then go on about technical specs of which they nothing about. Then they go
and post a message on a system that is provided to let 'sensible' people
exchange ideas/views.
Oh hang on.... I'm getting a bit nasty ...... sorry ;-)
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> You Are <1...@345.com> wrote in message:
> > yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
>
> You have no idea.
>
>
Spag Bol
Shit Faced Monkey wrote in message ...
>*shoves a big banana straight up his ass and sends him packing to
>plonkville*
LOL!
Joe
Spag Bol
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>ok how many times do we need to flame the guy? he didn't kill anybody
>
You call that flaming?
You ain`t seen nothing yet..........
Jonathan Dyton
said to me
it's all about gameplay anyway...
Jon
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> Nice answer.
>
> Don't you just hate children who can probably barely add 2 and 2 together,
> then go on about technical specs of which they nothing about. Then they
go
> and post a message on a system that is provided to let 'sensible' people
> exchange ideas/views.
>
> Oh hang on.... I'm getting a bit nasty ...... sorry ;-)
>
>
> Ste Birmo <ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:knm75.10641$wB1.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
> > You Are <1...@345.com> wrote in message:
> > > yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
> >
> > You have no idea.
> >
> >
>
>
Steve
> yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
The PS2 may not be twice as powerful as the DC (as Sony wants you too
believe!), but it does have slightly more power whether you like it or
not.
Of course, this doesn't mean the DC is any less powerful once the PS2 is
released, as it can't take away the current power and potential that our
good 'ol Sega has! :)
Echo could be done on the PS2, and it'd be as good. But it is a Sega
title and something that will only appear on our great console.
It's a superb game, a delight for us to
Just enjoy it and stop yer moaning!
Bye
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>yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
the 'dc version', you imply there may be a version for another console?
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<cough>
so you know what the fuck you are talking about?
Ste Birmo
> The PS2 may not be twice as powerful as the DC (as Sony wants
<Sigh>
brian hopkinson
Why the <sigh> only If you have been truly been sucked by
the hype do you not see what is in front of your eyes.
Sega have been the most innovative when it comes to games
with a supposedly less powerful console.
But then you are the person who wastes his time typing up
specs aren't you , instead of looking at the games.
Bri
Mike Jenkins
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>
>Ste Birmo <ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Steve <stev...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message:
>> > The PS2 may not be twice as powerful as the DC (as Sony
>wants
>> > you too believe!)...
>>
>> <Sigh>
>>
>
>
>Why the <sigh> only If you have been truly been sucked by
>the hype do you not see what is in front of your eyes.
I must admit to being all set to buy a US PS2 at launch, however
seeing the current and future games line-up (especially The Bouncer
and GT2000 which everyone was raving about and look frankly shit
compared to stuff like JSR and even the ancient Sega GT) I am
definitely going to be waiting to see what happens.
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Ste Birmo
> Why the <sigh> only If you have been truly been sucked by the hype
> do you not see what is in front of your eyes.
Spare me your stereotypic waffle, please. I'm repeating myself here but
what the hell. The ballyhoo that has shrouded PlayStation2 has worked
against it in such a way that people have now substantially lowered their
expectations of it. But in the next few months you're going to see some
stuff that will definitely convince you of its true potential.
> Sega have been the most innovative when it comes to games with a
> supposedly less powerful console.
My friend, there is no supposedly about it. Anyway, you're not the first
to claim this so I tell you what, how about YOU list all of these innovative
games for those of us in a.g.v.s-p2 ?
Innovative (adj) Producing something like nothing experienced or created
before. At the cutting edge of invention.
Well then, I'm waiting...
> But then you are the person who wastes his time typing up specs aren't
> you , instead of looking at the games.
Five words: UK, Tonight, Channel 4, Bits, Dropship.
Ste Birmo
> I must admit to being all set to buy a US PS2 at launch, however
> seeing the current and future games line-up (especially The Bouncer
> and GT2000 which everyone was raving about and look frankly shit
> compared to stuff like JSR and even the ancient Sega GT) I am
> definitely going to be waiting to see what happens.
You've got to laugh.
Mike Jenkins
What?
brian hopkinson
> Brian Hopkinson <nin...@btinternet.com> wrote in message:
> > Why the <sigh> only If you have been truly been sucked
by the hype
> > do you not see what is in front of your eyes.
>
> Spare me your stereotypic waffle, please. I'm repeating
myself here but
> what the hell. The ballyhoo that has shrouded
PlayStation2 has worked
> against it in such a way that people have now
substantially lowered their
> expectations of it. But in the next few months you're
going to see some
> stuff that will definitely convince you of its true
potential.
>
What i can clearly see by your statements , is that whatever
happens apart from sony going bankrupt , you are a fan boy ,
please dont even try to go there with me , look round all uk
and some of the alt groups and you will see that i own a
great many consoles.
> > Sega have been the most innovative when it comes to
games with a
> > supposedly less powerful console.
>
> My friend, there is no supposedly about it. Anyway,
you're not the first
> to claim this so I tell you what, how about YOU list all
of these innovative
> games for those of us in a.g.v.s-p2 ?
>
> Innovative (adj) Producing something like nothing
experienced or created
> before. At the cutting edge of invention.
>
> Well then, I'm waiting...
>
Chu Chu
Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting games)
Sega bass (the one that started all the clones off)
Crazy taxi (how many other taxi games are there?)
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
there are others and other people would pick up , i only
list the few i own personally feel have moved gaming on.
I suppose if you want to be pedantic , there is none above.
But, for the genre's they are in they have took gaming on
from the monotony of sequels and rehashes that has so
blighted the playstation.
But , when we see what the PS2 has to offer on launch then
it starts to look a little sad. When i get one (unlike your
blinkerd vision in relation to the DC) the only title which
appeals to me at the moment is GT2000 which being another
sequel doesnt concern me, unless its crap.
> > But then you are the person who wastes his time typing
up specs aren't
> > you , instead of looking at the games.
>
> Five words: UK, Tonight, Channel 4, Bits, Dropship.
>
Channel 4 is 2 soft lad
dropship what is that?
My thoughts are , that the PS2 is going to be the biggest
selling "dvd player" ever , as that is what most people will
use it for , not as a console. Past software sales have
shown that in Japan only a couple of games are being sold
per console.
Still slate me off for some reason, but I'm kind of glad I
don't have to suffer further EA efforts.
Bri
Paul Tomlin
brian hopkinson wrote:
> Chu Chu
> Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting games)
> Sega bass (the one that started all the clones off)
> Crazy taxi (how many other taxi games are there?)
> Jet Set Radio
> Shenmue
>
> there are others and other people would pick up , i only
> list the few i own personally feel have moved gaming on.
Well, I suppose Powerstone doesn't count because it's Capcom (isn't
Powerstone 2 due for PS2?).
I wouldn't really agree with Sega Bass either (there's been fishing
games around for years).
The rest of the stuff I'd agree with though.
> > > But then you are the person who wastes his time typing up specs aren't
> > > you , instead of looking at the games.
> >
> > Five words: UK, Tonight, Channel 4, Bits, Dropship.
> >
>
> Channel 4 is 2 soft lad
>
> dropship what is that?
Looks like a pre-rendered sequence to me, if it isn't I'll eat my anime
collection. Which is very large ^_^
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Mike Jenkins <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote in message news:o11fOVmQdwLOfK...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:46:48 GMT, "Ste Birmo"
> <ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Mike Jenkins <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote in message:
> >> I must admit to being all set to buy a US PS2 at launch, however
> >> seeing the current and future games line-up (especially The Bouncer
> >> and GT2000 which everyone was raving about and look frankly shit
> >> compared to stuff like JSR and even the ancient Sega GT) I am
> >> definitely going to be waiting to see what happens.
> >
> >You've got to laugh.
>
> What?
Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your at it show me a PS2 game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
will be released within the next year.
And you can't say FantaVision.
nab
oh, um, ay, argghhh - Time Splitters, possibly.
nab
nab
<pault...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>brian hopkinson wrote:
>
>> Chu Chu
>> Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting games)
>> Sega bass (the one that started all the clones off)
>> Crazy taxi (how many other taxi games are there?)
>> Jet Set Radio
>> Shenmue
>>
>> there are others and other people would pick up , i only
>> list the few i own personally feel have moved gaming on.
>
>Well, I suppose Powerstone doesn't count because it's Capcom (isn't
>Powerstone 2 due for PS2?).
No and it looks sweet on DC.
nab
The Fuzz
> > dropship what is that?
>
> Looks like a pre-rendered sequence to me, if it isn't I'll eat my anime
> collection. Which is very large ^_^
Funny, a lot of people have been saying that lately about more than
just one PS2 game.
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Spag Bol
>Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your at it show me a PS2
game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
>will be released within the next year.
>And you can't say FantaVision.
>
GT2001, NHL2001, Square Baseball, Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK), DOA2:Hardcore,
TimeSplitters, Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
than `netplay), Silent Scope, Kessen, Summoner, Star Wars:Starfighter,
Smugglers Run, F1 2001, The Getaway, Extermination, Munch`s Oddysee, The
World Is Not Enough, Oni, The Bouncer and a soccer game, most probably
ISS2001.
And thats only a portion of the games getting a release this year that i
think look ace, some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when they
get reviewed.
nab
>
>>Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your at it show me a PS2
>game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
>>will be released within the next year.
>>And you can't say FantaVision.
>>
So you have to own all these games do you?
>
>GT2001,
One year development time. If its out by xmas it'll be another hatchet
job with only half the progress from the minor tweak which was no.2.
>NHL2001,
Available on PC and production line stuff.
>Square Baseball,
Not out in Japan yet, could be the same quality as Emotion-s
>Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK)
Fine but you have to have a game that is only very slightly better
than the aged 3?
>DOA2:Hardcore
Tweaked version of DC game
>TimeSplitters
Very good prospect but no more no less at the moment.
>Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
>than `netplay),
You'll be buying a mouse and keyboard? Half-Life, Goldeneye, Perfect
Dark kick its butt.
> Silent Scope
Same as DC
>Kessen
Promising but we don't know if its any good,
>Summoner,
I'm not inspired by American RPGs and a team who wish to waffle on
about how they've solved AA instead of just doing the damn game.
Currently running at 10-15 FPS
>Star Wars:Starfighter,
Unlikely to see 2000 and considering other episode 1 games probably
very average.
>Smugglers Run
Looks very ordinary.
>F1 2001
shite
>The Getaway
Very nice pre-renders, another where we know sweet fa about how it
plays and is again unlikely to see a 2000 release.
>Extermination,
Likely in 2000? If so the graphics are unlikely to look much better
than PSX. A clone of RE by all accounts.
>Munch`s Oddysee
Considering how much Oddworld were complaining about PS2 at E3 don't
expect too much.
>The World Is Not Enough
Critical reports suggest it isn't much better than Tomorrow Never
Dies. Again multiple formats.
>Oni
PC conversion
>The Bouncer
Now why haven't we heard so much about this game recently?
>and a soccer game, most probably ISS2001.
Glossed up iteration of the N64 games.
>And thats only a portion of the games getting a release this year that i
>think look ace, some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when they
>get reviewed.
If most of the above are "ace" games I pity your games playing
experiences.
nab
brian hopkinson
Spag Bol <sdf...@34fsa.com> wrote in message
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>
> >Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your
at it show me a PS2
> game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
> >will be released within the next year.
> >And you can't say FantaVision.
> >
>
Christ , what happened to GT2000
, NHL2001,
Square Baseball,
Does look good, but no-one knows how it plays (strange from
someone liking baseball in the UK)
Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK),
Its not your fault
DOA2:Hardcore,
Is this DOA2 or the first of many sequels already
> TimeSplitters,
Dont know about these
Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
> than `netplay),
Thats always up for debate
Silent Scope
Coming on Dc anyway
, Kessen,
Never did like RTS , if infact that is what it is
Summoner,
eh?
Star Wars:Starfighter,
Lets hope the star wars games are going to get better
(except JK)
> Smugglers Run, F1 2001, The Getaway, Extermination,
Munch`s Oddysee, The
> World Is Not Enough, Oni, The Bouncer and a soccer game,
most probably
> ISS2001.
I think just just grabbed every game out of the preview
section
> And thats only a portion of the games getting a release
this year that i
> think look ace,
Well thats a definate reason to buy one , is it important
how the game plays?
Anyone remember Rise of the Robots all trousers and no
pants.
some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when they
> get reviewed.
So what are you saying , you havent seen reviews , but there
"ace" by screenshots :o/
I'd be happy personally if there is 2-3 good games on launch
, Gt2000 I will definitely get , but the other don't inspire
me.
If you want an arcade machine , get the DC , if you want a
dvd player with a console attached get a PS2. If you aren't
blinkered get all of em.
Bri
Spag Bol
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PS2
>>game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
>>>will be released within the next year.
>>>And you can't say FantaVision.
>>>
>
>
>>
>>GT2001,
>One year development time. If its out by xmas it'll be another hatchet
>job with only half the progress from the minor tweak which was no.2.
I doubt very much they`d miss Christmas for this title. And they have done
the engine, AI, Physics and controls; all they need to do is the cars and
tracks. I think they`ll make it.
>>NHL2001,
>Available on PC and production line stuff.
Not looking as good though, especially with my old(1 year) PC i`d be lucky
to get 10 fps.
>
>>Square Baseball,
>Not out in Japan yet, could be the same quality as Emotion-s
As long as the controls are OK it`s hard to screw up baseball as it has set
rules, most games are pretty similar, but have no-where near as amazing
graphics.
>
>>Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK)
>
>Fine but you have to have a game that is only very slightly better
>than the aged 3?
I know, i still have the old 3. But TTT has all the characters i know and
love, new moves and stuff, and some ace graphics(i think so anyway),
especially if they put the new FSAA routines in as rumoured. Me and my pals
know the fighting style of the game and it`ll revitalise our weekly
tournaments.
>>DOA2:Hardcore
>
>Tweaked version of DC game
Very, VERY heavily tweaked. And TONS of new extras and enhancements, sounds
good to me.
>>Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
>>than `netplay),
>
>You'll be buying a mouse and keyboard? Half-Life, Goldeneye, Perfect
>Dark kick its butt.
My USB mouse and keyboard for my PC will already work fine on the PS2. And
how can you compare single-player adventures to a multi-player game?
>> Silent Scope
>
>Same as DC
I haven`t got a DC though, or plan to get one, so this is still a bonus for
the PS2.
>>Kessen
>
>Promising but we don't know if its any good,
I`ve read the reviews, it is good if you are into that sort of thing, if
not........
>>Summoner,
>
>I'm not inspired by American RPGs and a team who wish to waffle on
>about how they've solved AA instead of just doing the damn game.
>Currently running at 10-15 FPS
Have you watched the movies? Looks like its running fine to me.
>>Star Wars:Starfighter,
>
>Unlikely to see 2000
I`m just going off the "official" launch list at IGN
(http://ps2.ign.com/news/20661.html) but i get the feeling you will be
right.
and considering other episode 1 games probably
>very average.
Maybe, but i loved Rogue Squadron, and this is virtually a sequel, so they`d
have to make some major screw-ups to make its style of dogfighting dull.
>>F1 2001
>
>shite
Not if you are into the sport.
>>Extermination,
>
>Likely in 2000? If so the graphics are unlikely to look much better
>than PSX. A clone of RE by all accounts.
Looks like PSX!!!? You gotta be kidding.
And RE is essentially a clone of Alone in the Dark, copying a game style is
no bad thing. Besides Extermination is billed as a Panic Action game, more
of a frantic shoot `em up than RE.
>>Munch`s Oddysee
>
>Considering how much Oddworld were complaining about PS2 at E3 don't
>expect too much.
They were only complaining about the lack of AA, and now that little problem
has been taken care of. And it looked amazing anyway.
>>The World Is Not Enough
>
>Critical reports suggest it isn't much better than Tomorrow Never
>Dies. Again multiple formats.
Link please? To those critical reports, i mean.
>The Bouncer
>
>Now why haven't we heard so much about this game recently?
>
I know, i`m very worried indeed about this one, i hope they are just being
secretive. But it is still due to be out this year, and if true i want it.
>>and a soccer game, most probably ISS2001.
>
>Glossed up iteration of the N64 games.
>
Even the PS1 versions crap all over the N64 conversions. Unless they
seriously change the gameplay or something this one can`t fail to be great.
>If most of the above are "ace" games I pity your games playing
>experiences.
Why?
Are you comparing it to the DC`s or PS1 library? Whats the point of that
when the PS2 hasn`t even launched yet. I`m just answering a question that
asked if there were any PS2 games we might want to get this year, and if
those games live up to their previews then they`ll be worth my cash.
Ste Birmo
> What i can clearly see by your statements , is that whatever happens
> apart from sony going bankrupt , you are a fan boy , please dont even
> try to go there with me , look round all uk and some of the alt groups
> and you will see that i own a great many consoles.
The difference between you and me is although we can both see through
the hype I still know enough about PlayStation2 to be able to distinguish
between fact and the fiction, where as you, evidently, can not.
And as for your extremely lame attempts to convince me that you have
no prejudice, well, that is something I don't have to challenge as it has
clearly been undermined by your own post!
> > My friend, there is no supposedly about it. Anyway, you're not the
> > first to claim this so I tell you what, how about YOU list all of these
> > innovative games for those of us in a.g.v.s-p2 ?
> > Innovative (adj) Producing something like nothing experienced or
> > created before. At the cutting edge of invention.
> > Well then, I'm waiting...
>
> Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting games)
As have many games before it. The basics such as free roaming arenas
and object interaction go as far back as Pit Fighter!, but more recently
both Ergheiz (Namco/Square) and Bushido Blade preceded Powerstone.
> Sega bass (the one that started all the clones off)
Hmm, I have faint recollections of a 3D (Bobb Nudd) fishing game on the
PC. ?...
> Crazy taxi (how many other taxi games are there?)
I nearly just choked on my biscuit! - please tell me you're not serious.
At the end of the day this amounts to nothing more than a basic runabout
clone, but because it features a taxi you class it as innovative ?! What if
Sega were to replace the Taxi with, say, a motorbike (Harley Davidson:
L.A. Riders) or a skateboard (Jet Grind Radio) or perhaps a motor
powered supermarket trolley... would that be innovative too ?
(And I'm the one who is supposedly blinkered!.)
> Jet Set Radio
Another non-linear runabout clone that has you franticly dashing from
one point to another, but this time your a kid on a skateboard tagging
various parts of the city with graffiti. (still hope for Crazy Trolley yet)
Admittedly, there are some original elements to be found within this
game but nothing that can be used against PS2.
> there are others and other people would pick up , i only list the few
> i own personally feel have moved gaming on.
Crazy Taxi has moved gaming on ?
> I suppose if you want to be pedantic , there is none above. But, for
> the genre's they are in they have took gaming on from the monotony
> of sequels and rehashes that has so blighted the playstation.
Pedantic - oh the irony.
Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is a viable and open
platform. And - shock horror - that includes Dreamcast.
> But , when we see what the PS2 has to offer on launch then it starts to
> look a little sad.
Bullshit (http://ps2.ign.com/releases.html).
> When i get one (unlike your blinkerd vision in relation to the DC)....
Hang on, let me stop you there. What blinkered visions are these then ?
> > Five words: UK, Tonight, Channel 4, Bits, Dropship.
>
> Channel 4 is 2 soft lad
> dropship what is that?
Just one of many fantastic looking games that are in development for
PlayStation2.
> My thoughts are , that the PS2 is going to be the biggest selling "dvd
> player" ever , as that is what most people will use it for , not as a
> console. Past software sales have shown that in Japan only a couple
> of games are being sold per console.
(as someone else said:)
The flux in software sales are predictable. You see, the majority of
buyers pretty much knew what games appealed to them at launch,
which they immediately sought. So what you're seeing now is a dust
settling period. It happens every time.
> Still slate me off for some reason, but I'm kind of glad I don't have to
> suffer further EA efforts.
These "great many consoles" you've owned... They all had a Sega badge
on, didn't they. <shakes head in disbelief>
Ste Birmo
> Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh.
Because Mike is speaking through his arse! (that's always good for a laugh).
GT2000 looks tremendous and when Polyphony Digital implement some
form of AA it will look even better. Only the most ardent of fanboys would
say a game of this calibre looks shit compared to anything on any console.
> While your at it show me a PS2 game that I just 'have' to own that is
> now available or will be released within the next year. And you can't
> say FantaVision.
I can't, but not because there is a lack of promising titles - far from it.
It's just that unless I have hands on experience of these titles I won't
be in a position to recommend them. However, these are just some
that are shaping up to be worthy purchases:
Dark Cloud.
Dropship.
Formula One 2000.
Ferrari F360 Challenge.
GT2000.
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee
The Getaway.
Resident Evil (as yet unannounced)
Run Like Hell.
Silent Hill 2
Summoner.
Timesplitters.
Unreal Tournament.
Wipeout Fusion.
Now you show me a DC game that I just 'have' to own that is now
available or will be released within the next year. And you can't say
Shenmue.
Ste Birmo
> > dropship what is that?
>
> Looks like a pre-rendered sequence to me, if it isn't I'll eat my anime
> collection. Which is very large ^_^
The initial sequence where the Dropships are descending through the
atmosphere looks like a cut scene, but the footage where a craft is
skimming through the mountains is actual game footage!
Bloody amazing isn't it. Apparently it's pushing in the region of 20
million polygons per second! - better start eating if you ask me... :)
Mike Jenkins
<ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Great Cthulhu <TheCt...@Saquatch.com> wrote in message:
>> Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh.
>
>Because Mike is speaking through his arse! (that's always good for a laugh).
>GT2000 looks tremendous and when Polyphony Digital implement some
>form of AA it will look even better. Only the most ardent of fanboys would
>say a game of this calibre looks shit compared to anything on any console.
Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega GT
looks loads better. Of course looks matter not a jot but all these mad
Sony devotees raving about it puzzle me slightly - it just doesn`t
look that good.
And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
And stuff like The Bouncer - what? The players look like Thunderbirds
puppets and the stupid Matrix-style bits are pointless and gimmicky.
Of course both games could evolve into somethign amazing, and should
do what with the superior PS2 hardware, but WHAT I WAS SAYING is that
there is nothing on PS2 yet that has made me go "wow".
>Now you show me a DC game that I just 'have' to own that is now
>available or will be released within the next year. And you can't say
>Shenmue.
Bangaioh
JSR (apparently - haven`t played it)
VOOT
Chu Chu
Taxi
Code Veronica
All fantastic.
Dominic Monfre
>>available or will be released within the next year. And you can't say
>>Shenmue.
>
>Bangaioh
>JSR (apparently - haven`t played it)
>VOOT
>Chu Chu
>Taxi
>Code Veronica
>
Ok, I have only played Chu Chu, VOOT and Crazy Taxi on this list. I'll agree
that Crazy Taxi is loads of fun. VOOT is fun too. Chu Chu though? I truly think
that this game sucks ass and I just cant see why everyone loves it. Then again
I love TTT to no end so I guess YMMV
Dom
Dom's Kanji Tattoo Archive
http://kanji.homepage.com
{So tuck the kids in the safe tonight / shut the eyes in the cupboard}
[Open up your skull, Ill be there climbing up the walls]
You're a dick and I'm tired of your dicketry! ~Stan
brian hopkinson
> brian hopkinson <.hopk...@btinternet.com> wrote in
message:
> > What i can clearly see by your statements , is that
whatever happens
> > apart from sony going bankrupt , you are a fan boy ,
please dont even
> > try to go there with me , look round all uk and some of
the alt groups
> > and you will see that i own a great many consoles.
>
> The difference between you and me is although we can both
see through
> the hype I still know enough about PlayStation2 to be able
to distinguish
> between fact and the fiction, where as you, evidently, can
not.
Eh?
> And as for your extremely lame attempts to convince me
that you have
> no prejudice, well, that is something I don't have to
challenge as it has
> clearly been undermined by your own post!
>
How can i be predujiced when in this very room i have an
N64, PS, DC, PC and perhaps the most overpriced console
ever, the NeoGeo.
I have no qualms about the PS2 , i will be buying one , but
you are so blinkered that you will not accept anyone elses
opinions.
> > > My friend, there is no supposedly about it. Anyway,
you're not the
> > > first to claim this so I tell you what, how about YOU
list all of these
> > > innovative games for those of us in a.g.v.s-p2 ?
> > > Innovative (adj) Producing something like nothing
experienced or
> > > created before. At the cutting edge of invention.
> > > Well then, I'm waiting...
> >
> > Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting
games)
>
> As have many games before it. The basics such as free
roaming arenas
> and object interaction go as far back as Pit Fighter!,but
more recently
> both Ergheiz (Namco/Square) and Bushido Blade preceded
Powerstone.
>
I none have come any where near the completeness off PS, you
can quote those games , but non were critically accliamed.
I suppose from your way of looking at it nothing has moved
on since the first VF style games
> > Sega bass (the one that started all the clones off)
>
> Hmm, I have faint recollections of a 3D (Bobb Nudd)
fishing game on the
> PC. ?...
>
I havent, but then i can remember jack charltons fishing ,
does that coutn on the spectrum , if wee going to memory
games
> > Crazy taxi (how many other taxi games are there?)
>
> I nearly just choked on my biscuit! - please tell me
you're not serious.
> At the end of the day this amounts to nothing more than a
basic runabout
> clone, but because it features a taxi you class it as
innovative ?! What if
> Sega were to replace the Taxi with, say, a motorbike
(Harley Davidson:
> L.A. Riders) or a skateboard (Jet Grind Radio)or perhaps a
motor
> powered supermarket trolley... would that be innovative
too ?
> (And I'm the one who is supposedly blinkered!.)
>
Or perhaps fifa xxxxx or Gt xxxx jesus tell me an origianl
game concept now and i'll go and make the millons.
> > Jet Set Radio
>
> Another non-linear runabout clone that has you franticly
dashing from
> one point to another, but this time your a kid on a
skateboard tagging
> various parts of the city with graffiti. (still hope for
Crazy Trolley yet)
> Admittedly, there are some original elements to be found
within this
> game but nothing that can be used against PS2.
>
You really cant help but hating anythin else apart from
sony. Your are making your slef out to be the single minded
one
> > there are others and other people would pick up , i only
list the few
> > i own personally feel have moved gaming on.
>
> Crazy Taxi has moved gaming on ?
>
> > I suppose if you want to be pedantic , there is none
above. But, for
> > the genre's they are in they have took gaming on from
the monotony
> > of sequels and rehashes that has so blighted the
playstation.
>
> Pedantic - oh the irony.
> Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is a
viable and open
> platform. And - shock horror - that includes Dreamcast.
>
<sigh> from someone coming from the console with the most
sequels
> > But , when we see what the PS2 has to offer on launch
then it starts to
> > look a little sad.
>
> Bullshit (http://ps2.ign.com/releases.html).
Lets have a wager to see , how many of these are available ,
you will lose
>
> > When i get one (unlike your blinkerd vision in relation
to the DC)....
>
> Hang on, let me stop you there. What blinkered visions
are these then ?
>
Your persistent attitude towards a console you probably
played for 10 minutes in shop
> > > Five words: UK, Tonight, Channel 4, Bits, Dropship.
> >
> > Channel 4 is 2 soft lad
> > dropship what is that?
>
> Just one of many fantastic looking games that are in
development for
> PlayStation2.
>
Here we go, what about the GAME?
> > My thoughts are , that the PS2 is going to be the
biggest selling "dvd
> > player" ever , as that is what most people will use it
for , not as a
> > console. Past software sales have shown that in Japan
only a couple
> > of games are being sold per console.
>
> (as someone else said:)
> The flux in software sales are predictable. You see, the
majority of
> buyers pretty much knew what games appealed to them at
launch,
> which they immediately sought. So what you're seeing now
is a dust
> settling period. It happens every time.
>
Or perhaps , every one is buying dvds for their dvd player
> > Still slate me off for some reason, but I'm kind of glad
I don't have to
> > suffer further EA efforts.
>
> These "great many consoles" you've owned... They all had
a Sega badge
> on, didn't they.
Yeah my megadrive,saturn and dreamcast have though my snes
64 and all the others havent , strange that.
<shakes head in disbelief>
>
Make sure its on a padded wall.
Bri
Stephen Henderson
>
>>Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your at it show me a PS2
>game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
>>will be released within the next year.
>>And you can't say FantaVision.
>>
>
>GT2001, NHL2001, Square Baseball, Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK), DOA2:Hardcore,
>TimeSplitters, Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
>than `netplay), Silent Scope, Kessen, Summoner, Star Wars:Starfighter,
>Smugglers Run, F1 2001, The Getaway, Extermination, Munch`s Oddysee, The
>World Is Not Enough, Oni, The Bouncer and a soccer game, most probably
>ISS2001.
>And thats only a portion of the games getting a release this year that i
>think look ace, some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when they
>get reviewed.
>
Out of the above I'd only count SW:Starfighter (first proper use of
PS2 vector units I've seen) and Munch's Oddysee (some very complex
herd dynamics being simulated apparently) as truely standout titles.
GT2001 will undoubtably be an excellent racer but even Polyophony have
admitted the real revolution in the series will come in the next
installment.
Square Baseball & Kessen have AFAIK only received middling reviews in
the Japanese press. UT IMO isn't really well suited to any console, on
pc it only comes into its own when you're playing the team games with
a least 6-8 people and without a gaming network in place to support it
I can't see how this could be acheived throught the PS2s USB modem.
Yes 4 player console deathmatches are great, but only if they've been
designed for 4 players. Unless UT PS2 has had a lot of new levels
added the multiplayer won't be great (bots don't make it any more fun
IMO). TimeSplitters may be very good but I can't really comment on it
since I've read little about it other than its a return to Doom style
fps action (I'm sure there's a lot more too it) likewise I've heard
little about the Bouncer. The other games you mention can't really be
described as games which'll make you buy a PS2 since they're all being
released on other machines (I've also got a feeling Oni may be
cancelled for PS2 now that Microsoft owns Bungie).
What this really heightens is the PS2s (and the PS1s) major weak spot:
lack of strong first party support. Sega and Nintendo both have
incredibly strong in house teams (arguably the best in the world)
which work with their respective companies all the way through the
hardware development stages whereas Sony have to rely on Third parties
getting to grips quickly with their new hardware after the development
kits have been made.
Stephen H
Paul Tomlin
The Fuzz wrote:
> > > dropship what is that?
> >
> > Looks like a pre-rendered sequence to me, if it isn't I'll eat my anime
> > collection. Which is very large ^_^
>
> Funny, a lot of people have been saying that lately about more than
> just one PS2 game.
I'd be suprised if more than just a few of these titles haven't been
pre-rendered - all the hype and competition around making PS-2 titles is
bound to have left some trying to pass pre-renders off for games. I'm
sure a few of those titles will actually look pretty close to that when
finished, but I bet very few games are up there now.
Ste Birmo
[ste birmo]
> > The difference between you and me is although we can both see
> > through the hype I still know enough about PlayStation2 to be able
> > to distinguish between fact and the fiction, where as you, evidently,
> > can not.
>
> Eh?
I am referring to your original comment about being "sucked by the hype".
> > And as for your extremely lame attempts to convince me that you
> > have no prejudice, well, that is something I don't have to challenge
> > as it has clearly been undermined by your own post!
>
> How can i be predujiced when in this very room i have an N64, PS,
> DC, PC and perhaps the most overpriced console ever, the NeoGeo.
Well, I use a Microsoft operating system but I still dislike Bill Gates.
DYS ?
> I have no qualms about the PS2 , i will be buying one , but you are
> so blinkered that you will not accept anyone elses opinions.
I will accept them if they have a semblance of truth or validity.
But as I have said before I will contend anything that I deem to be
incorrect flawed or, in your case, just plain stupid.
> > > Powerstone (went away from conventional 3d fighting games)
> >
> > As have many games before it. The basics such as free roaming
> > arenas and object interaction go as far back as Pit Fighter!,but
> > more recently both Ergheiz (Namco/Square) and Bushido Blade
> > preceded Powerstone.
>
> I none have come any where near the completeness off PS, you
> can quote those games , but non were critically accliamed.
The subject here is innovation, less you forget.
> > I nearly just choked on my biscuit! - please tell me you're not
> > serious. At the end of the day this amounts to nothing more
> > than a basic runabout clone, but because it features a taxi you
> > class it as innovative ?! What if Sega were to replace the Taxi
> > with, say, a motorbike (Harley Davidson: L.A. Riders) or a
> > skateboard (Jet Grind Radio) or perhaps a motor powered
> > supermarket trolley... would that be innovative too ?
> > (And I'm the one who is supposedly blinkered!.)
>
> Or perhaps fifa xxxxx or Gt xxxx jesus tell me an origianl game
> concept now and i'll go and make the millons.
In future, unless you can substantiate your claims, I wouldn't be so
quick to mouth off. It was you who championed the many such titles
on Dreamcast and I challenged you to name them.
> > Another non-linear runabout clone that has you franticly dashing from
> > one point to another, but this time your a kid on a skateboard tagging
> > various parts of the city with graffiti. (still hope for Crazy Trolley
> > yet) Admittedly, there are some original elements to be found within
> > this game but nothing that can be used against PS2.
>
> You really cant help but hating anythin else apart from sony. Your are
> making your slef out to be the single minded one
No, I'm just sticking to the original argument, which is something you
have completely lost sight of.
> > Pedantic - oh the irony.
> > Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is a viable and
> > open platform. And - shock horror - that includes Dreamcast.
>
> <sigh> from someone coming from the console with the most
> sequels
You can lead horse to water but you can't make it drink.
> > > But , when we see what the PS2 has to offer on launch
> > > then it starts to look a little sad.
> >
> > Bullshit (http://ps2.ign.com/releases.html).
>
> Lets have a wager to see , how many of these are available ,
> you will lose
?
> > Hang on, let me stop you there. What blinkered visions are these
> > then ?
>
> Your persistent attitude towards a console you probably played for
> 10 minutes in shop
The simple fact is you do not know what my attitude is with regards to
Dreamcast. You are assuming that because our views as to what is and
is not innovative that I have a disliking of Dreamcast. But once again you
are mistaken.
> > > dropship what is that?
> >
> > Just one of many fantastic looking games that are in development for
> > PlayStation2.
>
> Here we go, what about the GAME?
By that I meant the design AND the concept.
> > (as someone else said:)
> > The flux in software sales are predictable. You see, the majority
> > of buyers pretty much knew what games appealed to them at
> > launch, which they immediately sought. So what you're seeing
> > now is a dust settling period. It happens every time.
>
> Or perhaps , every one is buying dvds for their dvd player
Perhaps you're in denial.
> > <shakes head in disbelief>
>
> Make sure its on a padded wall.
That's shakes, not bangs...
Ste Birmo
[spag bol]
> >DOA2:Hardcore
>
> Tweaked version of DC game
http://www.coremagazine.com/news/2569.php3
>
> >TimeSplitters
>
> Very good prospect but no more no less at the moment.
>
> >Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
> >than `netplay),
>
> You'll be buying a mouse and keyboard? Half-Life, Goldeneye, Perfect
> Dark kick its butt.
>
> > Silent Scope
>
> Same as DC
>
> >Kessen
>
> Promising but we don't know if its any good,
>
> >Summoner,
>
> I'm not inspired by American RPGs and a team who wish to waffle on
> about how they've solved AA instead of just doing the damn game.
> Currently running at 10-15 FPS
>
> >Star Wars:Starfighter,
>
> Unlikely to see 2000 and considering other episode 1 games probably
> very average.
>
> >Smugglers Run
>
> Looks very ordinary.
>
> >F1 2001
>
> shite
>
> >The Getaway
>
> Very nice pre-renders, another where we know sweet fa about how it
> plays and is again unlikely to see a 2000 release.
>
> >Extermination,
>
> Likely in 2000? If so the graphics are unlikely to look much better
> than PSX. A clone of RE by all accounts.
>
> >Munch`s Oddysee
>
> Considering how much Oddworld were complaining about PS2 at E3 don't
> expect too much.
>
> >The World Is Not Enough
>
> Critical reports suggest it isn't much better than Tomorrow Never
> Dies. Again multiple formats.
>
> >Oni
>
> PC conversion
>
> >The Bouncer
>
> Now why haven't we heard so much about this game recently?
>
> >and a soccer game, most probably ISS2001.
>
> Glossed up iteration of the N64 games.
>
> >And thats only a portion of the games getting a release this year that i
> >think look ace, some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when
they
> >get reviewed.
>
> If most of the above are "ace" games I pity your games playing
> experiences.
>
> nab
Spag Bol
Ste Birmo wrote in message ...
>>
>> Looks like a pre-rendered sequence to me, if it isn't I'll eat my anime
>> collection. Which is very large ^_^
>
>atmosphere looks like a cut scene, but the footage where a craft is
>skimming through the mountains is actual game footage!
>Bloody amazing isn't it. Apparently it's pushing in the region of 20
>million polygons per second! - better start eating if you ask me... :)
Damn! I missed Bits last night. Was it really that good? The video i
downloaded from E3 absolutley SUCKED, the ships were not even textured, so i
am impressed they can make it apparently good so quickly.
Let me know if you see that vid shown last night anywhere on the net.
Ste Birmo
> >The initial sequence where the Dropships are descending through the
> >atmosphere looks like a cut scene, but the footage where a craft is
> >skimming through the mountains is actual game footage!
> >Bloody amazing isn't it. Apparently it's pushing in the region of 20
> >million polygons per second! - better start eating if you ask me... :)
>
> Damn! I missed Bits last night. Was it really that good?
It was only brief but the most impressive thing was seeing huge amounts
of mountainous landscape with no pop-up or fogging.
> The video i downloaded from E3 absolutley SUCKED, the ships were
> not even textured, so i am impressed they can make it apparently good
> so quickly. Let me know if you see that vid shown last night anywhere
> on the net.
It's up here, somewhere.. but the detail is so poor is doesn't compare
to seeing it on TV.
Ste Birmo
BTW, is it just my connection or is Cable Internet / Blue Yonder
screwing around again (missing posts etc) ?
Al
inscribed:
If you really think about it, ALL games are just rip offs of Atari
classics. I mean, driving a car. What's so original about that? And
collecting points. Or killing monsters. Sheesh, where's the originality
these days?
--
Al
http://members.home.com/ajyi
You can always procrastinate tomorrow!
Kjetil Torgrim Homme
> Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega
> GT looks loads better. Of course looks matter not a jot but all
> these mad Sony devotees raving about it puzzle me slightly - it
> just doesn`t look that good.
>
> And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
Well, IMO more importantly it is GT with better physics. While the
original GT has more realistic physics than any other console car
simulator (please tell me I'm wrong[1]), it is very rudimentary
compared to the efforts of Papyrus and Geoff Crammond on a PC.
Kjetil T.
[1] Driving Emotion Type S isn't a car simulator, you drive around in
a hockey puck. That's the way it feels, anyway.
brian hopkinson
both see
> > > through the hype I still know enough about
PlayStation2 to be able
> > > to distinguish between fact and the fiction, where as
you, evidently,
> > > can not.
> >
> > Eh?
>
"sucked by the hype".
>
The fact is everyone was sucked in "by the hype" Many
programmers have said that it is not as powerful as
originally hyped to be, something if you can remember
nintendo did with their "silicon graphics pwered" machines
> > > And as for your extremely lame attempts to convince me
that you
> > > have no prejudice, well, that is something I don't
have to challenge
> > > as it has clearly been undermined by your own post!
> >
> > How can i be predujiced when in this very room i have
an N64, PS,
> > DC, PC and perhaps the most overpriced console ever, the
NeoGeo.
>
> Well, I use a Microsoft operating system but I still
dislike Bill Gates.
> DYS ?
>
So you frequently use programs hat you dislike. There are
options. Put it this way , can you grasp the com[plexities
of writing an OS with so many diiferent components to tkae
in?
> >
> > I none have come any where near the completeness off PS,
you
> > can quote those games , but non were critically
accliamed.
>
> The subject here is innovation, less you forget.
Ok then , lets go the whole hog , name me some innovative
titles , and by your drfinition, not merely changing a
racing game into a taxi game.
>
> > Or perhaps fifa xxxxx or Gt xxxx jesus tell me an
origianl game
> > concept now and i'll go and make the millons.
>
> In future, unless you can substantiate your claims, I
wouldn't be so
> quick to mouth off. It was you who championed the many
such titles
> on Dreamcast and I challenged you to name them.
>
The DC has spurned a lot of "original titles" there no doubt
, but like a poster below said , you can take all games back
to the days of the Atari.
> > > Another non-linear runabout clone that has you
franticly dashing from
> > > one point to another, but this time your a kid on a
skateboard tagging
> > > various parts of the city with graffiti. (still hope
for Crazy Trolley
> > > yet) Admittedly, there are some original elements to
be found within
> > > this game but nothing that can be used against PS2.
> >
> > You really cant help but hating anythin else apart from
sony. Your are
> > making your slef out to be the single minded one
>
> No, I'm just sticking to the original argument, which is
something you
> have completely lost sight of.
>
I find all this hard to swallow, theres no point i suppose
if all you want is the same stuff churned out time after
time
> > > Pedantic - oh the irony.
> > > Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is a
viable and
> > > open platform. And - shock horror - that includes
Dreamcast.
> >
> > <sigh> from someone coming from the console with the
most
> > sequels
>
> You can lead horse to water but you can't make it drink.
>
So who made fifa and TR go to the top of the charts each
time it comes out?
> > > > But , when we see what the PS2 has to offer on
launch
> > > > then it starts to look a little sad.
> > >
> > > Bullshit (http://ps2.ign.com/releases.html).
> >
> > Lets have a wager to see , how many of these are
available ,
> > you will lose
>
> ?
>
I assume the "wager" part stumped you, let me put it into
english for you. I dont think all the titles you quoted from
the site will be available on launch day , and would you be
willing to put money on it?
> > > Hang on, let me stop you there. What blinkered
visions are these
> > > then ?
> >
> > Your persistent attitude towards a console you probably
played for
> > 10 minutes in shop
>
> The simple fact is you do not know what my attitude is
with regards to
> Dreamcast. You are assuming that because our views as to
what is and
> is not innovative that I have a disliking of Dreamcast.
But once again you
> are mistaken.
>
I like how you dropped the acusation of you only playing a
DC for 10 mins in a shop, nice selective quoting
> > > > dropship what is that?
> > >
> > > Just one of many fantastic looking games that are in
development for
> > > PlayStation2.
> >
> > Here we go, what about the GAME?
>
> By that I meant the design AND the concept.
>
oh , so its going to be a great game because of the design
and concept , daikatana spring s to mind , why is that.
Championing games that havent even been released , are you
really typing this from the playground?
> > > (as someone else said:)
> > > The flux in software sales are predictable. You see,
the majority
> > > of buyers pretty much knew what games appealed to them
at
> > > launch, which they immediately sought. So what you're
seeing
> > > now is a dust settling period. It happens every time.
> >
> > Or perhaps , every one is buying dvds for their dvd
player
>
> Perhaps you're in denial.
>
I deny a lot of thing , figures have shown this though.
> > > <shakes head in disbelief>
> >
> > Make sure its on a padded wall.
>
> That's shakes, not bangs...
Thanks for correcting me , im sure you head wont hurt as
much after the medication
Ste Birmo
> > I am referring to your original comment about being "sucked by the
> > hype".
>
> The fact is everyone was sucked in "by the hype" Many programmers
> have said that it is not as powerful as originally hyped to be, something
> if you can remember nintendo did with their "silicon graphics pwered"
> machines
And, if you recollect, something Sega did with the Saturn. I'm not going
to argue against this because it [hype] is something that happens almost
every time and, no doubt, will happen again in the future. However, it is
the extent of this hype and the dumbing down (from people like Steve)
that I am willing to argue about. For every programmer that has
expressed some form of disappointment (Hideo Kojima's words, in
particular, were taken out of context) there is more than enough all to
happy to praise it and set the record straight. You must bear in mind
that many such criticisms [lack of VRAM and AA etc] are simply
unfounded.
> > Well, I use a Microsoft operating system but I still dislike Bill Gates.
> > DYS ?
>
> So you frequently use programs hat you dislike. There are options.
> Put it this way , can you grasp the com[plexities of writing an OS
> with so many diiferent components to tkae in?
Um, where are you going with this ?
> > The subject here is innovation, less you forget.
>
> Ok then , lets go the whole hog , name me some innovative titles ,
> and by your drfinition, not merely changing a racing game into a taxi
> game.
And why exactly should I ? After all I never implied PlayStation is
renowned for it's innovate titles, as I already know that innovation /
originality is extremely thin on the ground.
> > In future, unless you can substantiate your claims, I wouldn't be
> > so quick to mouth off. It was you who championed the many
> > such titles on Dreamcast and I challenged you to name them.
>
> The DC has spurned a lot of "original titles" there no doubt , but like
> a poster below said , you can take all games back to the days of the
> Atari.
I think the Dreamcast has some games which display original concepts
(an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances),
but for the most part you could mistake it for a PlayStation or PC.
> > > Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is a viable and
> > > pen platform. And - shock horror - that includes Dreamcast.
> >
> > <sigh> from someone coming from the console with the most
> > sequels
> >
> > You can lead horse to water but you can't make it drink.
>
> So who made fifa and TR go to the top of the charts each
> time it comes out?
If Dreamcast sales suddenly went through the roof and it managed
to establish a user base of some 50 million, do you think the industry
would change or that it's owners would be any smarter ?
> > ?
>
> I assume the "wager" part stumped you, let me put it into
> english for you. I dont think all the titles you quoted from
> the site will be available on launch day , and would you be
> willing to put money on it?
Putting your persistence to place a wager to one side for the moment,
there are a lot of good titles due to ship come October 26th *, and even
if many of the titles on that list aren't scheduled for release on launch
day a lot of them will be released a few months either side of Christmas.
But I still don't see how you can say what PS2 has to offer on launch
"looks a little sad". There are possibly another ten or even more games
to be added to this list as yet (SCEA and many 3rd party developers
are still playing their cards close to their chest remember).
Now after taking into consideration the above what would be the point.
in a wager ? * http://ps2.ign.com/news/20661.html
> > The simple fact is you do not know what my attitude is with regards
> > to Dreamcast. You are assuming that because our views as to what
> > is and is not innovative *differ* that I have a disliking of Dreamcast.
> > But once again you are mistaken.
>
> I like how you dropped the acusation of you only playing a DC for
> 10 mins in a shop, nice selective quoting
I dropped it because it is not true. I openly admit that I do not own
a Dreamcast, however, a close friend of mine does. And no, he does
not work in a shop :)
> > By that I meant the design AND the concept.
>
> oh , so its going to be a great game because of the design and
> concept , daikatana spring s to mind , why is that.
The same could be true of MGS2, Sonic 2, Jet Grind Radio or any
other title for that matter. There's always that danger, obviously.
But my point was that there are many promising titles in development
for PlayStation2 that the average Dreamcast owner does not know
about.
> > Perhaps you're in denial.
>
> I deny a lot of thing , figures have shown this though.
Yes but history has also shown us that it is nothing out of the ordinary.
Industry analysts have already pointed out the various reasons why sales
figures are fluctuating, of which I gave a sample before.
Phat H Tran
<mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega GT
>looks loads better.
And you've seen both running side by side?
Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps? Does it have atmospheric effects
like heat haze? Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
bodies?
>And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
That alone puts it ahead of Sega GT. The GT franchise has driving
physics that utterly shame Sega GT's.
>And stuff like The Bouncer - what? The players look like Thunderbirds
>puppets and the stupid Matrix-style bits are pointless and gimmicky.
I don't know what game you're describing, but that does not sound like
The Bouncer.
Phat.
---
To e-mail, remove obvious clutter from address.
Phat H Tran
>yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
What exactly about Ecco can't the PS2 handle? The pathetically
rendered water? The claustrophobic clipping horizon?
brian hopkinson
Actually i cant remember the hype , the release of the
saturn came as a shock to most people in the UK , it was mid
summer and like sega's present marketing , there was none
> > > Well, I use a Microsoft operating system but I still
dislike Bill Gates.
> > > DYS ?
> >
> > So you frequently use programs hat you dislike. There
are options.
> > Put it this way , can you grasp the com[plexities of
writing an OS
> > with so many diiferent components to tkae in?
>
> Um, where are you going with this ?
>
Why do you dislike Bill Gates , ok his software is bloaty
and powere consuming , but he (however much people hate him)
has bought pc's mainstream.
If you dont liek bill gates , use linux then.
thats where i was going
> > > The subject here is innovation, less you forget.
> >
> > Ok then , lets go the whole hog , name me some
innovative titles ,
> > and by your drfinition, not merely changing a racing
game into a taxi
> > game.
>
> And why exactly should I ? After all I never implied
PlayStation is
> renowned for it's innovate titles, as I already know that
innovation /
> originality is extremely thin on the ground.
>
It was asked of us , so why shouldnt i ask you?
Originality dies a long time ago , even chu chu can be
banged into the puzzle catergory
> > > In future, unless you can substantiate your claims, I
wouldn't be
> > > so quick to mouth off. It was you who championed the
many
> > > such titles on Dreamcast and I challenged you to name
them.
> >
> > The DC has spurned a lot of "original titles" there no
doubt , but like
> > a poster below said , you can take all games back to the
days of the
> > Atari.
>
> I think the Dreamcast has some games which display
original concepts
> (an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from
specific instances),
> but for the most part you could mistake it for a
PlayStation or PC.
>
MIstake what exactly ?
> > > > Sequels and rehashes will spawn where ever there is
a viable and
> > > > pen platform. And - shock horror - that includes
Dreamcast.
> > >
> > > <sigh> from someone coming from the console with the
most
> > > sequels
> > >
> > > You can lead horse to water but you can't make it
drink.
> >
> > So who made fifa and TR go to the top of the charts each
> > time it comes out?
>
> If Dreamcast sales suddenly went through the roof and it
managed
> to establish a user base of some 50 million, do you think
the industry
> would change or that it's owners would be any smarter ?
>
Well you have to ask , why did TR:TLR fail so miserably on
the DC yet enjoyed sucess on the PS?
Is it the kind of person who owns a DC?
Look back over the years of consoles releases , there has
always been a great amount of games promised for launch. Dou
you want me to get my Atari jaguar leaflets out ? DYS?
> > I like how you dropped the acusation of you only playing
a DC for
> > 10 mins in a shop, nice selective quoting
>
> I dropped it because it is not true. I openly admit that
I do not own
> a Dreamcast, however, a close friend of mine does. And
no, he does
> not work in a shop :)
>
So why dispel something that you cannot have full experience
of?
so where does he work then ? no need to answer that?
> > > By that I meant the design AND the concept.
> >
> > oh , so its going to be a great game because of the
design and
> > concept , daikatana spring s to mind , why is that.
>
> The same could be true of MGS2, Sonic 2, Jet Grind Radio
or any
> other title for that matter. There's always that danger,
obviously.
> But my point was that there are many promising titles in
development
> for PlayStation2 that the average Dreamcast owner does not
know
> about.
>
The problem is in the 3 titles you mentioned one has been
released and jet set radio has had glowing reviews. The
others are just videos.
> > > Perhaps you're in denial.
> >
> > I deny a lot of thing , figures have shown this though.
>
> Yes but history has also shown us that it is nothing out
of the ordinary.
> Industry analysts have already pointed out the various
reasons why sales
> figures are fluctuating, of which I gave a sample before.
>
HIstory is exactly that ,history, no-one knows what is going
to happen for all we know x-box might trounce the lot of
them
GWM
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:40 +0100, Mike Jenkins
><mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega GT
>>looks loads better.
>
>And you've seen both running side by side?
>
>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps? Does it have atmospheric effects
>like heat haze? Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>bodies?
>
>>And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
>
>That alone puts it ahead of Sega GT. The GT franchise has driving
>physics that utterly shame Sega GT's.
Sorry, but I've seen both running side-by-side, and they look pretty
similar (with the key difference being that you can actually BUY Sega
GT). GT2000 will end up being a better looking game, but by a margin
considerably less than the hype would suggest, and will represent an
investment of time and money way beyond what was put into Sega GT.
And as far as driving physics goes, neither game is actually a "sim"
(damage modeling, anyone?). Both have a lot of arcade qualities, with
Sega GT just a touch more toward the arcade end of things (and easier
to drive). The point being: to have fun - and Sega GT is a fun game.
How much fun are you having with GT2000 at the moment?
-G
(Signature under permanent construction)
www.g-pix.com
Spag Bol
Ste Birmo wrote in message <5P785.14687$wB1.1...@news3.cableinet.net>...
>Spag Bol <sdf...@34fsa.com> wrote in message:
>
>BTW, is it just my connection or is Cable Internet / Blue Yonder
>screwing around again (missing posts etc) ?
Yeah, a bit, useless twats. Though its not as bad as the other week when
some clown snapped a vital fibre cable down in London and sent the service
bonkers.
You should have seen their status page, it looked like they were in sheer
panic mode.
Right now the status of the news server is "Investigating", hmmmm.........
Joe Ottoson
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:34:23 +0100, "You Are" <1...@345.com> wrote:
>
> >yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
>
> What exactly about Ecco can't the PS2 handle? The pathetically
> rendered water? The claustrophobic clipping horizon?
The collective willpower of the PS2 trolls.
brian hopkinson
Phat H Tran <pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net> wrote in
message news:396317a2....@news.rim.net...
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:40 +0100, Mike Jenkins
> <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at
all. Sega GT
> >looks loads better.
>
Well you must have seen a different SegeGT to me , GT2k
looks awesome
> And you've seen both running side by side?
>
How, when Gt2k isnt out yet?
> Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
But does it work constantly at 60fps?
Does it have atmospheric effects
> like heat haze? Can you see real reflections of the road
in the car
> bodies?
>
So these make a game do they? , sad
> >And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
>
> That alone puts it ahead of Sega GT. The GT franchise has
driving
> physics that utterly shame Sega GT's.
>
Having not played Sega GT i cant comment on how it plays ,
personally i love GT and that the only reason i will buy my
PS2 on release day, plus the dvd player
>
> Phat.
Mike Jenkins
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:40 +0100, Mike Jenkins
><mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega GT
>>looks loads better.
>
>And you've seen both running side by side?
Err, no as GT2000 has not beren released yet.
>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
No, but that doesn`t matter.
>Does it have atmospheric effects
>like heat haze?
The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>bodies?
No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.
>>And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
>
>That alone puts it ahead of Sega GT. The GT franchise has driving
>physics that utterly shame Sega GT's.
Hey, I didn`t say that. I personally prefer SGT`s handling over GT2
but i seem to be in the minority.
>>And stuff like The Bouncer - what? The players look like Thunderbirds
>>puppets and the stupid Matrix-style bits are pointless and gimmicky.
>
>I don't know what game you're describing, but that does not sound like
>The Bouncer.
3D Streets of Rage style beat-em-up from all teh footage I`ve seen. It
looks awful.
Mike Jenkins
<ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>The hype was spread through industry magazines such as Edge.
Ha! Ha!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAA
That says it all.
Ste Birmo
> > not going to argue against this because it [hype] is something that
> > happens almost every time and, no doubt, will happen again in the
> > future. However, it is the extent of this hype and the dumbing down
> > (from people like Steve) that I am willing to argue about. For every
> > programmer that has expressed some form of disappointment (Hideo
> > Kojima's words, in particular, were taken out of context) there is
> > more than enough all to happy to praise it and set the record straight.
> > You must bear in mind that many such criticisms [lack of VRAM and
> > AA etc] are simply unfounded.
>
>
> Actually i cant remember the hype , the release of the saturn came as a
> shock to most people in the UK , it was mid summer and like sega's
> present marketing , there was none
The hype was spread through industry magazines such as Edge.
As development was nearing completion, and after hearing numerous
developers heap praise upon Sony's up and coming PlayStation,
Sega claimed its Saturn console was easily capable of producing an
arcade perfect conversion of Daytona USA. They even had everyone
drooling with anticipation after releasing fantastic looking media shots
of the game running on Saturn hardware. But as history shows the
Saturn simply wasn't up to it as the home version of Daytona USA
was, at best, a steaming pile of dung!
> > Um, where are you going with this ?
> >
>
> Why do you dislike Bill Gates , ok his software is bloaty and powere
> consuming , but he (however much people hate him) has bought pc's
> mainstream.
I've already been down this road many times, and I'm tired.
> If you dont liek bill gates , use linux then.
>
> thats where i was going
I don't know why as I only used Mr Gates as an example of how you
can use someone's product but still be prejudiced.
> > And why exactly should I ? After all I never implied PlayStation is
> > renowned for it's innovate titles, as I already know that innovation /
> > originality is extremely thin on the ground.
>
>
> It was asked of us , so why shouldnt i ask you?
Because this is not a quiz. I asked it of you to substantiate your
original comments.
> > I think the Dreamcast has some games which display original concepts
> > (an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific
> > instances), but for the most part you could mistake it for a PlayStation
> > or PC.
>
>
> MIstake what exactly ?
The games. Many of them are PC / PlayStation ports and sequels.
> > If Dreamcast sales suddenly went through the roof and it managed
> > to establish a user base of some 50 million, do you think the industry
> > would change or that it's owners would be any smarter ?
>
>
> Well you have to ask , why did TR:TLR fail so miserably on
> the DC yet enjoyed sucess on the PS?
Two reasons. First, the Dreamcasts' user base is considerably lower
than that of PlayStation's and so sales were never going to be anything
like comparable. And secondly, the Dreamcast version got slaughtered
by the press for being an uninspired and shoddy conversion of the
PlayStation outing.
> Is it the kind of person who owns a DC?
?
> > Putting your persistence to place a wager to one side for the moment,
> > there are a lot of good titles due to ship come October 26th *, and even
> > if many of the titles on that list aren't scheduled for release on
> > launch day a lot of them will be released a few months either side of
> > Christmas. But I still don't see how you can say what PS2 has to offer
> > on launch "looks a little sad". There are possibly another ten or even
> > more games to be added to this list as yet (SCEA and many 3rd party
> > developers are still playing their cards close to their chest remember).
> > Now after taking into consideration the above what would be the point
> > in a wager ? * http://ps2.ign.com/news/20661.html
>
>
> Look back over the years of consoles releases , there has always been
> a great amount of games promised for launch. Dou you want me to get
> my Atari jaguar leaflets out ? DYS?
Stick to the point, do you still think what PS2 has to offer on launch day
"looks a little sad" ?
> > I dropped it because it is not true. I openly admit that I do not own
> > a Dreamcast, however, a close friend of mine does. And no, he does
> > not work in a shop :)
>
>
> So why dispel something that you cannot have full experience of?
I feel I have enough knowledge of those games to dispute your claims.
> > The same could be true of MGS2, Sonic 2, Jet Grind Radio
> > or any other title for that matter. There's always that danger,
> > obviously. But my point was that there are many promising
> > titles in development for PlayStation2 that the average
> > Dreamcast owner does not know about.
>
>
> The problem is in the 3 titles you mentioned one has been
> released and jet set radio has had glowing reviews. The
> others are just videos.
Why is that a problem ?
> > Yes but history has also shown us that it is nothing out of the
> > ordinary. Industry analysts have already pointed out the various
> > reasons why sales figures are fluctuating, of which I gave a sample
> > before.
>
>
> HIstory is exactly that ,history, no-one knows what is going to happen
> for all we know x-box might trounce the lot of them
Again, you deviate from the topic which is the recent downturn in PS2
software sales and your wild predication that people are just purchasing
it as a DVD player.
Spag Bol
>>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
>
>No, but that doesn`t matter.
!! In a game that shifts at speed (racers) it most certainly frigging does,
the longer gap (distance travelled) between each frame is a lot more
noticable. Have you seen the difference between Gran Tourismo`s 30 and 60hz
modes? Massive.
>
>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>like heat haze?
>
>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
Get some new ones, one i downloaded 4 months ago had them, and OH that
wonderful dazzling sunset.
>
>> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>>bodies?
>
>No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
>thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
>1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.#
Again, the over-shinyness has been scaled down a lot in the new demos.
Real-time reflection mapping doesn`t mean the cars are gonna be like
mirrors, but the effect at night, when going next to buildings or on car
windows should be sweet.
Of course Sega GT does look fantasic (though it got a poor review in Edge),
but the GT2000 team said they had barely started on the backgrounds or
details when last shown and had about 15 million more polys/sec to play with
or something. And once they include the new AA routines it should be a real
stunner.
Ste Birmo
> >The hype was spread through industry magazines such as Edge.
>
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAA
>
> That says it all.
What does ?
Matthew Buck
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:40 +0100, Mike Jenkins
><mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at all. Sega GT
>>looks loads better.
>
>And you've seen both running side by side?
>
>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps? Does it have atmospheric effects
>like heat haze? Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>bodies?
>
>>And after all, it`s just GT with better graphics.
>
>That alone puts it ahead of Sega GT. The GT franchise has driving
>physics that utterly shame Sega GT's.
>
>>And stuff like The Bouncer - what? The players look like Thunderbirds
>>puppets and the stupid Matrix-style bits are pointless and gimmicky.
>
>I don't know what game you're describing, but that does not sound like
>The Bouncer.
>
>Phat.
>
>---
>To e-mail, remove obvious clutter from address.
The physics are GT are horrible, and anyone that thinks real cars
drive like that must drive a fucking Ford Taurus. EVERY car in GT
drives like shit, and they all drive the SAME. Im not saying that Sega
GT is going to drive better, but to say that GT has the end-all be-all
of physics is crap, it's made by the JAPANESE, they know SHIT about
cars. If you want to check out a lesson in physics, check out any of
the NFS titles for the PC, it's arcadey, but they drive much closer to
REAL sports cars.
Ste Birmo
the following preview footage and not be impressed. The file size is a
bit big (17545K) but it's worth it's most definitely worth it:
http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/e32000/video/gt2k/GT2K-Celicas-done.mov
For me this is a no contest. Gran Turismo 2000 pisses on SegaGT
from a very very tall building.
Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
million polygons per second!
J
says...
>Sorry, but I've seen both running side-by-side, and they look pretty
>similar (with the key difference being that you can actually BUY Sega
>GT). GT2000 will end up being a better looking game, but by a margin
>considerably less than the hype would suggest, and will represent an
>investment of time and money way beyond what was put into Sega GT.
Considering that GT2000 is nothing more than a 1st gen PS2 game, which hardly
uses the PS2 power much at all (having the EE take care of everything hardly
counts as a demonstration of the PS2s FULL power...)...and its still on par
with Segas made-for-DC-3rd-gen-GranT-killer-app...it tells us quite a bit what
will happen when PS2 developement finally gets rolling...
>And as far as driving physics goes, neither game is actually a "sim"
>(damage modeling, anyone?). Both have a lot of arcade qualities, with
>Sega GT just a touch more toward the arcade end of things (and easier
>to drive). The point being: to have fun - and Sega GT is a fun game.
Considering the decent sales of GT and GT2 in the US...I think its safe to say
that some people consider GT pretty fun too...
>How much fun are you having with GT2000 at the moment?
So simply because something comes out before its competition...its a better
game? Ooooooo-k. You must be in thr running to be a Sega exec or something,
getting things out first, no matter what the cost, seems to be a general
philosophy...
J
DaRQueSToRM
Why are your cross-posting this shit over here? Arn't you the one bitching
about it earlier, yet you do it?!?!
<plonk>
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GWM
>In article <9ua4ms0p2r7iht0al...@4ax.com>, gar...@linkline.com
>says...
>Considering that GT2000 is nothing more than a 1st gen PS2 game, which hardly
>uses the PS2 power much at all (having the EE take care of everything hardly
>counts as a demonstration of the PS2s FULL power...)...and its still on par
>with Segas made-for-DC-3rd-gen-GranT-killer-app...it tells us quite a bit what
>will happen when PS2 developement finally gets rolling...
Sega GT is a *3rd Generation* title? Spare me your arbitrary
*generation* definitions. Sega GT is pretty much Sega's first attempt
at that kind of game on the DC, and hardly qualifies as being *3rd
Generation*.
I guess Ferrari F355 Challenge is a 5th Generation game - even PS2
fanboys have to be impressed with that title (a couple of professional
drivers even have their own F355 arcade machines that they train on!).
>Considering the decent sales of GT and GT2 in the US...I think its safe to say
>that some people consider GT pretty fun too...
Great. Gran Turisimo IS a fun game.
>>How much fun are you having with GT2000 at the moment?
>So simply because something comes out before its competition...its a better
>game? Ooooooo-k. You must be in thr running to be a Sega exec or something,
>getting things out first, no matter what the cost, seems to be a general
>philosophy...
This is your own, fanboy-esque conclusion. Gran Turisimo 2000 may turn
out to be a great game - no one knows at this point. However, with
Sega GT, Metropolis Street Racer, Tokyo Extreme Racing 2 and Ferrari
F355 Challenge, the Dreamcast is getting a pretty strong racing lineup
this fall as well.
GWM
<ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>With regards to Gran Turismo 2000 I challenge anyone to download
>the following preview footage and not be impressed. The file size is a
>bit big (17545K) but it's worth it's most definitely worth it:
>
>http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/e32000/video/gt2k/GT2K-Celicas-done.mov
>
>For me this is a no contest. Gran Turismo 2000 pisses on SegaGT
>from a very very tall building.
If you have ever tried pissing from a very very tall building, you
will find that it's very hard to hit your target.
>Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
>when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
>million polygons per second!
Hey, movies are great - I remember all those great Tekken Tag movies.
But you know, I actually played GT2000 at E3. It's a pretty nice game,
but it doesn't exactly *piss* on Sega GT. I don't judge a game until I
actually get to try it.
You know what game DOES *piss* on the competition? Ferrari F355
Challenge. Nothing on any console for the forseeable future can/will
be able to touch the physics, look and "feel" of that game.
There's more to game design than polygons.
nab
<ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>With regards to Gran Turismo 2000 I challenge anyone to download
>the following preview footage and not be impressed. The file size is a
>bit big (17545K) but it's worth it's most definitely worth it:
>
>http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/e32000/video/gt2k/GT2K-Celicas-done.mov
>
>For me this is a no contest. Gran Turismo 2000 pisses on SegaGT
>from a very very tall building.
>
>Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
>when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
>million polygons per second!
>
Yes whatever, have you played it?
300,000 polygons is what Jullian Gollop/Mythos Games are getting at
the moment so 20 million is quite frankly bull.
nab
motoSL
cross-posters is doing the same bullshit himself. I hope I live up to your
standards this time...
Ste Birmo <ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:JPu85.16365$wB1.2...@news3.cableinet.net...
> With regards to Gran Turismo 2000 I challenge anyone to download
> the following preview footage and not be impressed. The file size is a
> bit big (17545K) but it's worth it's most definitely worth it:
>
> http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/e32000/video/gt2k/GT2K-Celicas-done.mov
>
> For me this is a no contest. Gran Turismo 2000 pisses on SegaGT
> from a very very tall building.
You don't know shit about pissing from a tall building. We all know you
squat anyway, smartass...
>
> Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
> when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
> million polygons per second!
Ah, so we can expect a 2002 release, then :-p
moto
Phat H Tran
<nospamb....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>Phat H Tran <pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net> wrote in
>message news:396317a2....@news.rim.net...
>> On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:40 +0100, Mike Jenkins
>> <mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry "Ste" but GT2000 does not impress me visually at
>all. Sega GT
>> >looks loads better.
>>
>
>Well you must have seen a different SegeGT to me , GT2k
>looks awesome
>
>> And you've seen both running side by side?
>>
>
>How, when Gt2k isnt out yet?
>
>> Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
>
>But does it work constantly at 60fps?
>
> Does it have atmospheric effects
>> like heat haze? Can you see real reflections of the road
>in the car
>> bodies?
>>
>
>So these make a game do they? , sad
Umm... You're confusing which side of the argument I'm on. I am a
big fan of the GT series, and am not impressed with the "gimmicky"
physics models on the DC racers out there (e.g. Tokyo Highway Battle,
Sega GT).
And, graphically, GT2000 is a lot more technically impressive than
Sega GT.
Phat H Tran
wrote:
>The physics are GT are horrible, and anyone that thinks real cars
>drive like that must drive a fucking Ford Taurus. EVERY car in GT
>drives like shit, and they all drive the SAME. Im not saying that Sega
>GT is going to drive better, but to say that GT has the end-all be-all
>of physics is crap, it's made by the JAPANESE, they know SHIT about
>cars. If you want to check out a lesson in physics, check out any of
>the NFS titles for the PC, it's arcadey, but they drive much closer to
>REAL sports cars.
Let me know if you still feel the same after getting your driver's
license. And retake that grade 11 physics course you obviously
flunked.
Phat H Tran
<mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:04:57 GMT, pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net
>(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>
>>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
>
>No, but that doesn`t matter.
Yes, it does matter. Especially if you want faithful physics. Since
most games run their physics in lock-step with their graphics
rendering, smaller time deltas for their graphics means smaller time
deltas for their physics engine, which in turn lead to more accurate
integration of forces.
>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>like heat haze?
>
>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
Heat haze is in GT2000.
>> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>>bodies?
>
>No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
>thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
>1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.
Real reflections are "1000 times" more taxing on the console than
faked reflections, and are also that much more convincing when you
watch the games in motion. The gloss on the cars in GT2000 is being
toned down, so gripe about it while you can.
>>I don't know what game you're describing, but that does not sound like
>>The Bouncer.
>
>3D Streets of Rage style beat-em-up from all teh footage I`ve seen. It
>looks awful.
You probably also think that Tobal 2 on the PS1 doesn't hold a candle
to Virtua Fighter on the Saturn.
HighJack
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>Umm... You're confusing which side of the argument I'm on. I am a
>big fan of the GT series, and am not impressed with the "gimmicky"
>physics models on the DC racers out there (e.g. Tokyo Highway Battle,
>Sega GT).
TXR gimmicky? Do you smoke opium??????????
HighJack
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>Yes, it does matter. Especially if you want faithful physics. Since
>most games run their physics in lock-step with their graphics
>rendering, smaller time deltas for their graphics means smaller time
>deltas for their physics engine, which in turn lead to more accurate
>integration of forces.
60 or 30 fps doesn't mean a whole lot of jack, you butterball. Of all
the priorities for a racing game, 60 vs. 30 fps is hella low on the
list. 60's nice, but don't be such a dickhole. It's not a big deal.
>
>>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>>like heat haze?
>>
>>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
>
>Heat haze is in GT2000.
Who cares?
>Real reflections are "1000 times" more taxing on the console than
>faked reflections, and are also that much more convincing when you
>watch the games in motion. The gloss on the cars in GT2000 is being
>toned down, so gripe about it while you can.
This is a ridiculous thread!!!! Sega GT looks pretty cool and GT2000
looks awesome and that's the end of it!!!!!!!!!!!! Now get along!
HighJack
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:37:43 -0600, Matthew Buck <pol...@lords.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The physics are GT are horrible, and anyone that thinks real cars
>>drive like that must drive a fucking Ford Taurus. EVERY car in GT
>>drives like shit, and they all drive the SAME. Im not saying that Sega
>>GT is going to drive better, but to say that GT has the end-all be-all
>>of physics is crap, it's made by the JAPANESE, they know SHIT about
>>cars. If you want to check out a lesson in physics, check out any of
>>the NFS titles for the PC, it's arcadey, but they drive much closer to
>>REAL sports cars.
>
>Let me know if you still feel the same after getting your driver's
>license.
Man you're a pisser! GT doesn't feel like real life, but it's pretty
damn fun nevertheless. Since when did realism become the measure of
goodness in a game??????
A Smart Guy
> From: "Ste Birmo" <ste....@cableinet.co.uk>
> Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet)
> Newsgroups:
> alt.games.video.sega-dreamcast,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,uk.games.vide
> o.dreamcast
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:55:21 GMT
> Subject: Re: Gran Turismo 2000
>
> With regards to Gran Turismo 2000 I challenge anyone to download
> the following preview footage and not be impressed. The file size is a
> bit big (17545K) but it's worth it's most definitely worth it:
>
> http://ps2movies.ign.com/media/e32000/video/gt2k/GT2K-Celicas-done.mov
>
> For me this is a no contest. Gran Turismo 2000 pisses on SegaGT
> from a very very tall building.
>
> Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
> when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
> million polygons per second!
>
So what, that video doesn't say much, it's FMV not in game action, it
isn't that hard to make a replay look good. Let's wait for some in game
racing screens to come out and see if it is so impressive.
EB
motoSL
when the thread is a week old cross-posting garbage...
Ste Birmo <ste....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6Qn85.15615$wB1.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
>
> And, if you recollect, something Sega did with the Saturn. I'm not going
> to argue against this because it [hype] is something that happens almost
> every time and, no doubt, will happen again in the future. However, it is
> the extent of this hype and the dumbing down (from people like Steve)
> that I am willing to argue about. For every programmer that has
> expressed some form of disappointment (Hideo Kojima's words, in
> particular, were taken out of context) there is more than enough all to
> happy to praise it and set the record straight. You must bear in mind
> that many such criticisms [lack of VRAM and AA etc] are simply
> unfounded.
Yes, that's true.
> And why exactly should I ? After all I never implied PlayStation is
> renowned for it's innovate titles, as I already know that innovation /
> originality is extremely thin on the ground.
And I assume you're commenting on Sega's "innovative" titles. Maybe one day
you'll drop the labelling crap, fella, and accept the general
consensus--that Sega is producing some damn innovative titles at this time.
If you're not impressed by Sega's E3 lineup, strictly from a gamer's
standpoint, then don't even bother continuing to argue your "intelligence".
You will never play these Dreamcast games simply because you have no faith
in Sega. The whole damn town can be having fun with their Dreamcasts, or
X-Boxes or Dolpihins, or Super NEO GEO 512s, you wouldn't touch 'em with a
ten-foot pole because it's not PS2. It's unfortunate for you that you can't
see past your bias and realize this.
> I think the Dreamcast has some games which display original concepts
> (an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances),
> but for the most part you could mistake it for a PlayStation or PC.
This is utterly the most ridiculous statement I've heard about Dreamcast,
especially from someone who already admitted to not owning one. It displays
a total concept of Sony bias. It reveals a complete refusal to acknowledge
some of the brilliance coming from Yu Suzuki, Yuki Naja, and Sega as a
whole. After reading all your posts, I've officially labelled you as a
hater--you don't care about games, really. You wouldn't have a good long
sit-down with Dreamcast simply on principle alone, and that's not what
really enjoying video games is all about--you'd rather talk specs all day.
That attitude is crap, plain and simple.
I have a bit of advice for you--put yourself out of your misery, and buy all
of the goddamn systems. That "running from the mouth about how PS2 is so
much better than anything else" disease will be cured quickly.
> If Dreamcast sales suddenly went through the roof and it managed
> to establish a user base of some 50 million, do you think the industry
> would change or that it's owners would be any smarter ?
No, but I bet that you still wouldn't buy one. It's pretty much a
PlayStation or a PC, after all. Sheesh...
> Putting your persistence to place a wager to one side for the moment,
> there are a lot of good titles due to ship come October 26th *, and even
> if many of the titles on that list aren't scheduled for release on launch
> day a lot of them will be released a few months either side of Christmas.
> But I still don't see how you can say what PS2 has to offer on launch
> "looks a little sad". There are possibly another ten or even more games
> to be added to this list as yet (SCEA and many 3rd party developers
> are still playing their cards close to their chest remember).
> Now after taking into consideration the above what would be the point.
> in a wager ? * http://ps2.ign.com/news/20661.html
Yes, it will have a lot of software.
>
> The same could be true of MGS2, Sonic 2, Jet Grind Radio or any
> other title for that matter. There's always that danger, obviously.
> But my point was that there are many promising titles in development
> for PlayStation2 that the average Dreamcast owner does not know
> about.
Again, you're wrong about what you label "the average Dreamcast owner". Some
of us actually look forward to what both has to offer. Some of us choose not
to take sides on the issue and just enjoy the games. I would also risk it to
say that many Dreamcast owners are what you call "hardcore", and bought the
system because it has some pretty fun games. It's a rather simple concept,
completely "poly/sec" free. It's a refreshing way of thinking--you should
really try it sometime.
moto
Dominic Monfre
>However, with
>Sega GT, Metropolis Street Racer, Tokyo Extreme Racing 2 and Ferrari
>F355 Challenge, the Dreamcast is getting a pretty strong racing lineup
>this fall as well.
Isnt Tokyo Highway Battle the one where the company is HORRIBLY sorry for
releasing that game because its full of bugs that render it unplayable?
Dom
Dom's Kanji Tattoo Archive
http://kanji.homepage.com
{So tuck the kids in the safe tonight / shut the eyes in the cupboard}
[Open up your skull, Ill be there climbing up the walls]
You're a dick and I'm tired of your dicketry! ~Stan
Kjetil Torgrim Homme
> Considering that GT2000 is nothing more than a 1st gen PS2 game,
> which hardly uses the PS2 power much at all (having the EE take
> care of everything hardly counts as a demonstration of the PS2s
> FULL power...)...
Huh? Where did you get this information? I find it utterly
unbelievable that Digital Polyphony are unable to take advantage of
the vector units. After all, the release of the game is still far
off, they've had plenty of time to get to grips with the hardware.
Kjetil T.
Alex Townsend
MDK2
Ecco The Dolphin DOTF (what a mouthful)
Rayman 2
Sega GT
Soul Calibur
And I know it's not a popular decision but VF3tb it has a great fighting
system! Better than Tekken.
> Bangaioh
> JSR (apparently - haven`t played it)
> VOOT
> Chu Chu
> Taxi
> Code Veronica
>
> All fantastic.
Darien.Allen
statement:
>Considering that GT2000 is nothing more than a 1st gen PS2 game, which hardly
>uses the PS2 power much at all (having the EE take care of everything hardly
>counts as a demonstration of the PS2s FULL power...)...and its still on par
>with Segas made-for-DC-3rd-gen-GranT-killer-app...it tells us quite a bit what
>will happen when PS2 developement finally gets rolling...
<mmmpmmmh> That's the sound of you shoving your foot incredibly deep
into your mouth. GT2000 at this point will probably spill over into a
2nd gen title simply because even now work continues on it. Sega GT
is not a 3rd generation title...2nd MAYBE...but certainly not 3rd.
Ste Birmo
> Well what do we have here, the guy who tells me to be equally hard on all
> cross-posters is doing the same bullshit himself. I hope I live up to your
> standards this time...
What are you talking about ? This thread was already cross-posted.
Moron.
Ste Birmo
> Why are your cross-posting this shit over here? Arn't you the one
bitching
> about it earlier, yet you do it?!?!
>
> <plonk>
You've got the wrong guy pal.
Darien.Allen
<gar...@linkline.com> we were graced with this statement:
>Sorry, but I've seen both running side-by-side, and they look pretty
>similar (with the key difference being that you can actually BUY Sega
>GT). GT2000 will end up being a better looking game, but by a margin
>considerably less than the hype would suggest, and will represent an
>investment of time and money way beyond what was put into Sega GT.
And that additional investment and time is being put into?
1. A better physics engine
2. More licensed vehicles
What's wrong with that?
Darien.Allen
graced with this statement:
>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:43:19 GMT, pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net
>(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>
>>Umm... You're confusing which side of the argument I'm on. I am a
>>big fan of the GT series, and am not impressed with the "gimmicky"
>>physics models on the DC racers out there (e.g. Tokyo Highway Battle,
>>Sega GT).
>
>TXR gimmicky? Do you smoke opium??????????
TXR is an arcade racer with sim-like elements. It should be compared
to GT 2000 or Sega GT.
Darien.Allen
graced with this statement:
>60 or 30 fps doesn't mean a whole lot of jack, you butterball. Of all
>the priorities for a racing game, 60 vs. 30 fps is hella low on the
>list. 60's nice, but don't be such a dickhole. It's not a big deal.
Truly spoken like someone who doesn't have a clue how things tie
together...
>>Heat haze is in GT2000.
>
>Who cares?
Everyone look for more pieces of "realism" in their driving games.
Darien.Allen
<pol...@lords.com> we were graced with this statement:
>The physics are GT are horrible, and anyone that thinks real cars
>drive like that must drive a fucking Ford Taurus. EVERY car in GT
>drives like shit, and they all drive the SAME. Im not saying that Sega
>GT is going to drive better, but to say that GT has the end-all be-all
>of physics is crap, it's made by the JAPANESE, they know SHIT about
>cars. If you want to check out a lesson in physics, check out any of
>the NFS titles for the PC, it's arcadey, but they drive much closer to
>REAL sports cars.
Riiiiiight....spoken like someone who's never been behind the wheel of
a Nissan Skyline.....
Darien.Allen
<aj...@uswest.net> we were graced with this statement:
>In article <39641952....@news.rim.net>,
>pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net (Phat H Tran) wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:34:23 +0100, "You Are" <1...@345.com> wrote:
>>
>> >yet it ain't got the power to make ecco look as good as the DC version
>>
>> What exactly about Ecco can't the PS2 handle? The pathetically
>> rendered water? The claustrophobic clipping horizon?
>
>The collective willpower of the PS2 trolls.
lol!
reastlack
I must be missing something here. If the games you listed are justification
enough to buy a new system, then how is you don't own a Dreamcast yet? The
Dreamcast has a better lineup than this already available, with much more
coming down the road. And there will be at least twice as many comparable A
titles released for the Dreamcast than you listed below, before the PS2
comes out. Not to mention imports of games like Sega GT and the amazing
Tokyo Extreme Racer 2 (English name) that are available now and easily
playable on the Dreamcast.
It's not the fact that you want a PS2 that surprises me, it's that you would
pass on a $149 (or less) console right now with such a lineup of games
already available and more coming soon. And at that price, you can get a
bunch of games instead of just a new piece of hardware. Isn't that the
point?
Spag Bol wrote in message ...
>
>>Yes, please tell me why I have got to laugh. While your at it show me a
PS2
>game that I just 'have' to own that is now available or
>>will be released within the next year.
>>And you can't say FantaVision.
>>
>
>GT2001, NHL2001, Square Baseball, Tekken Tag(i`m a fan, OK), DOA2:Hardcore,
>TimeSplitters, Unreal Tournament(split-screen multiplayer, much more fun
>than `netplay), Silent Scope, Kessen, Summoner, Star Wars:Starfighter,
>Smugglers Run, F1 2001, The Getaway, Extermination, Munch`s Oddysee, The
>World Is Not Enough, Oni, The Bouncer and a soccer game, most probably
>ISS2001.
>And thats only a portion of the games getting a release this year that i
>think look ace, some of the others may turn out to be worth buying when
they
>get reviewed.
motoSL
Still, you insist on trolling by posting "GT 2000 pisses on Sega GT from a
very tall building" in the Sega NGs. Get a grip, son. You're just as bad as
"You Are", only you try to hide behind this facade of "intelligent
argument". Same idiot, different color.
Mike Jenkins
(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>Yes, it does matter. Especially if you want faithful physics. Since
>most games run their physics in lock-step with their graphics
>rendering, smaller time deltas for their graphics means smaller time
>deltas for their physics engine, which in turn lead to more accurate
>integration of forces.
Someone's been reading some PR blurb, haven`t they?
>>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>>like heat haze?
>>
>>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
>
>Heat haze is in GT2000.
I haven`t seen it but I won`t argue as it`s a bit silly anyway.
>>> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>>>bodies?
>>
>>No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
>>thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
>>1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.
>
>Real reflections are "1000 times" more taxing on the console than
>faked reflections, and are also that much more convincing when you
>watch the games in motion. The gloss on the cars in GT2000 is being
>toned down, so gripe about it while you can.
But SGT still looks more like a car race and not a computer game than
GT2000 in its current state.
>You probably also think that Tobal 2 on the PS1 doesn't hold a candle
>to Virtua Fighter on the Saturn.
Oh come on, have you seen Bouncer?
Mike Jenkins
>
>>>Tell me, does Sega GT run at 60fps?
>>
>>No, but that doesn`t matter.
>
>!! In a game that shifts at speed (racers) it most certainly frigging does,
In no way whatsoever does it matter. Gran Turismo on the PS goes at,
what, 15fps? And does something like Motorhead that runs at 50fps make
a better game?
Framerate affects smoothness, not speed, so IT DOESN`T MATTER.
>the longer gap (distance travelled) between each frame is a lot more
>noticable. Have you seen the difference between Gran Tourismo`s 30 and 60hz
>modes? Massive.
I disagree.
>>
>>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>>like heat haze?
>>
>>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
>
>Get some new ones, one i downloaded 4 months ago had them, and OH that
>wonderful dazzling sunset.
>
>>
>>> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>>>bodies?
>>
>>No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
>>thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
>>1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.#
>
>Again, the over-shinyness has been scaled down a lot in the new demos.
>Real-time reflection mapping doesn`t mean the cars are gonna be like
>mirrors, but the effect at night, when going next to buildings or on car
>windows should be sweet.
>
>Of course Sega GT does look fantasic (though it got a poor review in Edge),
>but the GT2000 team said they had barely started on the backgrounds or
>details when last shown and had about 15 million more polys/sec to play with
>or something. And once they include the new AA routines it should be a real
>stunner.
When is GT2000 out?
I would like to reiterate that I was commenting on the game as it
stands at the moment - it may turn out to be the most gorgeous racer
of all time.
In fact, it will be a disaster if it doesn`t.
Paul Donovan
"nab" <cja...@nospeulite.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:396285ae...@news.ezesurf.net...
> >
> >Just for the record, according to Polyphony Digital the game engine,
> >when complete, will be capable of throwing around a staggering 20
> >million polygons per second!
> >
>
> 300,000 polygons is what Jullian Gollop/Mythos Games are getting at
> the moment so 20 million is quite frankly bull.
>
Err, surely you've got your figures wrong? 300k is pathetic. If you're
touting that around as a real-life PS2 benchmark then you're in for a shock.
That figure sounds like what you'd get on your first day or two of PS2
programming, after which it should ramp up dramatically.
No offence Mythos :-)
Paul
Paul Donovan
"A Smart Guy" <Ai...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> So what, that video doesn't say much, it's FMV not in game action, it
> isn't that hard to make a replay look good. Let's wait for some in game
> racing screens to come out and see if it is so impressive.
>
It's not FMV, it's a replay using the game engine, just like after you
finish a race in GT1/GT2.
Some people need to open their eyes...
Paul
brian hopkinson
>
>
> Umm... You're confusing which side of the argument I'm
on. I am a
> big fan of the GT series, and am not impressed with the
"gimmicky"
> physics models on the DC racers out there (e.g. Tokyo
Highway Battle,
> Sega GT).
I can fight on both sides , because I enjoy my DC and love
playing the GT games :o)
Bri
Kjetil Torgrim Homme
> > 300,000 polygons is what Jullian Gollop/Mythos Games are getting at
> > the moment so 20 million is quite frankly bull.
>
> Err, surely you've got your figures wrong? 300k is pathetic.
I thought it had to be 300k per scene, which is 18m polys/sec if they
manage 60 fps.
Kjetil T.
Kjetil Torgrim Homme
> In no way whatsoever does it matter. Gran Turismo on the PS goes
> at, what, 15fps?
25 fps in PAL, 30 fps in NTSC.
> And does something like Motorhead that runs at 50fps make a better
> game?
Motorhead gives a much better sense of speed, but that's probably not
related to the frame rate. The important thing about frame rate is
better and more accurate response from player input.
> Framerate affects smoothness, not speed, so IT DOESN`T MATTER.
The number of updates in the physics engine is _very_ important for
realism. Grand Prix Legends (the most realistic racing game I know)
runs its physics model at 288 fps, but the graphics are only updated
at 36 fps at most.
In Gran Turismo the physics are updated exactly as often as the
graphics, so when the frame rate is doubled, the physics get more
accurate as well.
Kjetil T.
A Smart Guy
> From: "Paul Donovan" <pa...@scee.sony.co.uk>
> Organization: Sony Computer Entertainment Europe
> Newsgroups:
> alt.games.video.sega-dreamcast,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,uk.games.vide
> o.dreamcast
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:06:22 +0100
> Subject: Re: Gran Turismo 2000
>
>
Due to not being the in-game action, the replays can look better, there
is a noticeable difference in all the GT games between replay and in-game.
Anyway, that video doesn't impress me that much. It looks only a little
better than the best (graphically) racing game from the pre-DC era, World
Driver Championship on the N64. And it definitely doesn't piss on Sega GT.
Face it, the PSX2 isn't as good for graphics as you imagine. Just like
PSX1.
EB
Rigby Reardon
<mi...@kwik-e-mart.in2home.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:57:25 GMT, pt...@you.know.the.drill.rim.net
>(Phat H Tran) wrote:
>
>
>>Yes, it does matter. Especially if you want faithful physics. Since
>>most games run their physics in lock-step with their graphics
>>rendering, smaller time deltas for their graphics means smaller time
>>deltas for their physics engine, which in turn lead to more accurate
>>integration of forces.
>
>Someone's been reading some PR blurb, haven`t they?
>
>>>>Does it have atmospheric effects
>>>>like heat haze?
>>>
>>>The demos I have seen of GT2000 did not have these but no it doesn`t.
>>
>>Heat haze is in GT2000.
I saw the heat haze in GT2000.....I hope you can turn it off. It is
utterly distracting.
>
>I haven`t seen it but I won`t argue as it`s a bit silly anyway.
>
>>>> Can you see real reflections of the road in the car
>>>>bodies?
>>>
>>>No. However the cars in SGT have some sort of semblance to the real
>>>thing and don`t look like overpolished snooker balls. SGT looks about
>>>1000 times more realistic than GT2000 does.
>>
>>Real reflections are "1000 times" more taxing on the console than
>>faked reflections, and are also that much more convincing when you
>>watch the games in motion. The gloss on the cars in GT2000 is being
>>toned down, so gripe about it while you can.
One would hope so.....but subtlety hasn't been Sony's strong point so
far, so I wouldn't bet on it.
>
>But SGT still looks more like a car race and not a computer game than
>GT2000 in its current state.
>
>>You probably also think that Tobal 2 on the PS1 doesn't hold a candle
>>to Virtua Fighter on the Saturn.
>
>Oh come on, have you seen Bouncer?
No, and neither have you.....seeing the same four screenshots, and a
few second's worth of grainy video don't count buddy.
R