Sony's E3...
morphix
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spells troll and you be one!
DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_770_1.html
>
> Coming from a respected source as Daily Radar, this is BAD news for the
PS2.
> Here are some quotes from the article:
>
> "Sega, by all accounts, had the best E3 it's ever had. Sony had its worst"
>
> "the plurality of those we spoke to on the floor said things more like,
"who
> knew Sony would blow it this badly?"
>
> "the moribund tone of Sony's press conference seeped into its museumlike
> booth, where row after row of choppy games were ignored by the majority of
> attendees"
>
> "As several people we spoke to pointed out, it did not bode well for
Sony's
> show that it chose to place PlayStation2s playing DVD movies at the front
of
> its booth. Its high quality DVD playback abilities seem, in Sony's mind,
to
> be the high point of the system"
>
> "Many of the games in Sony's booth were so far from completion they never
> should have been on the floor (we actually saw someone throw a controller
> down while playing one demo/slide show running at 5 frames per second)"
>
> "the Sega booth was the hit of the show"
>
> "and almost every developer we spoke to mentioned that the PS2 is a
> nightmare to work with"
>
> "most of the PS2 developers we spoke to mentioned Xbox as their hope for
> salvation. "Maybe Xbox will be easier to work with," was a common thread"
>
>
>
tige...@my-deja.com
titles for the DC. Now I ain't no system whore - I've got a PSX, N64,
DC (import and US), and even shelled out six bones for an import PS2.
But to be honest, for the game genre I'm interested in, I'll be spending
a lot more software dollars in Sega's house.
I think people are expecting way too much out of the PS2. If I had seen
it January 1999 before I saw the DC in action, I would have been
freaking out. As it is, having had an import DC for over a year now, my
attitude is one of ambivalence. While I went out and got one (just had
a yearning), the PS2 really isn't leaps and bounds past the competition.
I honestly compare the DC/PS2 think much like PSX/N64. Sure the N64
looks better on average, but it's not a huge difference. I was not
knocked off my socks the first time I played RR5. But only system
whores care about the whole console debate. I'm a game whore. Need for
Speed will likely never show up on a DC, so I have to buy a PS2.
Likewise, Crazy Taxi will never show up on the PS2, so I bought a DC.
I wish people would realize they spend more cash on software and just
buy one of each console (assuming you spend $1000+ a year on this
stuff). But I guess those that can't afford it become trolls who live
under bridges waiting for spare change to fall through the cracks. Sad.
In article <8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net>,
--
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James P. Smith, Ph.D.
Rocket Scientist and Video Game Reviewer
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Ste Birmo
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Spells fool, which is what you are if you believe any of that
carp you posted!
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> spells ignorant and you are!
>
>
> "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Ste Birmo <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Phillip Roncoroni
> Coming from a respected source as Daily Radar..."
ROTFLMAO!
morphix
that BS like that was being spewed out against the DC last year and sega
ruled this year.
I tell you what, I can't wait till next year it is going to be sweet.
<tige...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8fsl2n$bqp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> He may be a troll, but truth be told, I was salivating over some of the
> titles for the DC. Now I ain't no system whore - I've got a PSX, N64,
> DC (import and US), and even shelled out six bones for an import PS2.
> But to be honest, for the game genre I'm interested in, I'll be spending
> a lot more software dollars in Sega's house.
>
> I think people are expecting way too much out of the PS2. If I had seen
> it January 1999 before I saw the DC in action, I would have been
> freaking out. As it is, having had an import DC for over a year now, my
> attitude is one of ambivalence. While I went out and got one (just had
> a yearning), the PS2 really isn't leaps and bounds past the competition.
>
> I honestly compare the DC/PS2 think much like PSX/N64. Sure the N64
> looks better on average, but it's not a huge difference. I was not
> knocked off my socks the first time I played RR5. But only system
> whores care about the whole console debate. I'm a game whore. Need for
> Speed will likely never show up on a DC, so I have to buy a PS2.
> Likewise, Crazy Taxi will never show up on the PS2, so I bought a DC.
>
> I wish people would realize they spend more cash on software and just
> buy one of each console (assuming you spend $1000+ a year on this
> stuff). But I guess those that can't afford it become trolls who live
> under bridges waiting for spare change to fall through the cracks. Sad.
>
> In article <8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net>,
> "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote:
Byron Miller
mooooooo
"Phillip Roncoroni" <goo...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> > DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:958517675.3933....@news.demon.nl...
> > > I
> > > G
> > > N
> > > O
> > > R
> > > A
> > > N
> > > T
> > >
> > > spells ignorant and you are!
> > >
> > >
> > > "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net...
reastlack
Byron Miller wrote in message ...
>moo mooo moo?
>
>mooooooo
>
Oh, that was Carl's fault. He's new.
reastlack
morphix wrote in message <8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net>...
>Wow the same sort of shit was said about the DC last year.
I believe you are wrong about that. Sega had a very impressive showing, but
at the time everybody just assumed that it didn't matter in the long run
because the PS2 would blow it out of the water. Kind of like, "wow, these
games are amazing - can you just IMAGINE what the PS2 is going to be like!"
Maybe that's why people actually believed it when they read that the PS2
would feature film quality graphics in real time.
>
>T
>R
>O
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>L
Well, it's true that cross posting this wasn't a nice thing to do.
DC
DC
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spells ignorant and you are!
"morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> Wow the same sort of shit was said about the DC last year.
>
> T
> R
> O
> L
> L
>
> spells troll and you be one!
>
>
> DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:958515290.2333....@news.demon.nl...
DC
had no problems quoting in the past.
It was referred to many many time in the past as a "proof" that the PS2
would rule.
But all of a sudden, Daily Radar jumped ship, became biassed, posts crap.
Let's be fair. Daily Radar was a PS2 fan once but they see what you are all
blind for:
that the PS2 is an over-hyped, problematic (very hard to program for, no
FSAA, only 4 MB VRAM) and so far dissappointing (dissappointing graphics,
jaggies, bad E3 showing) console.
The best thing they could show at E3 was a VIDEO of MGS2!!!
Just face it!
It isn't being called the jaggies machine without a reason...
Developpers aren't complaining without a reason...
Oddworld isn't dropped without a reason...
"Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:imkU4.725$Lt6....@news3.cableinet.net...
> F
> O
> O
> L
>
> Spells fool, which is what you are if you believe any of that
> carp you posted!
>
>
>
> DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:958517675.3933....@news.demon.nl...
Byron Miller
It is already looking good. Sure the PS2 will sell like hotcakes,
but the dreamcast is maturing, and that is the hardest part of any
console. It has stable games, stable developers and sega can fill
the holes of any genre that a third party doesn't/wont fill.
With online gaming, rpg's and new sports games rolling out, the
dc will be hard to beat. 6 months from now the gaming industry
will be again re-defined and no matter how many pre-sales the
PS2 does, the DC will have the maturity of code/developers
and knowledge and the PS2 will take the year or two to earn
that maturity giving the market plenty of room to duke it out. and
by then, hell the dc will be 4-5 years old and the next best thing will come
out.
The only game i want on DC is Abes World, and now with
Bleem, its all mine and i don't have to worry about getting another
PSX that will burn out :)
-byron
"morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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GigaBit
like arrogance just killed another great company, only time will tell. And
don't call me a SEGA troll, I hate SEGA! And no, DailyRadar is not biased.
GigaBit
"DC" <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, let's see: its from the same "respectable" magazine all you PS2 fans
> had no problems quoting in the past.
> It was referred to many many time in the past as a "proof" that the PS2
> would rule.
>
> But all of a sudden, Daily Radar jumped ship, became biassed, posts crap.
>
> Let's be fair. Daily Radar was a PS2 fan once but they see what you are
all
> blind for:
> that the PS2 is an over-hyped, problematic (very hard to program for, no
> FSAA, only 4 MB VRAM) and so far dissappointing (dissappointing graphics,
> jaggies, bad E3 showing) console.
> The best thing they could show at E3 was a VIDEO of MGS2!!!
>
> Just face it!
>
> It isn't being called the jaggies machine without a reason...
> Developpers aren't complaining without a reason...
> Oddworld isn't dropped without a reason...
>
> "Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:imkU4.725$Lt6....@news3.cableinet.net...
> > F
> > O
> > O
> > L
> >
> > Spells fool, which is what you are if you believe any of that
> > carp you posted!
> >
> >
> >
> > DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:958517675.3933....@news.demon.nl...
> > > I
> > > G
> > > N
> > > O
> > > R
> > > A
> > > N
> > > T
> > >
> > > spells ignorant and you are!
> > >
> > >
> > > "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net...
Ste Birmo
> Well, let's see: its from the same "respectable" magazine all you PS2 fans
> had no problems quoting in the past. It was referred to many many time
> in the past as a "proof" that the PS2 would rule. But all of a sudden,
> Daily Radar jumped ship, became biassed, posts crap.
Firstly, this quotation lark works both ways. The only time I have ever
pasted a URL to one of it's articles (other than sharing the latest game
developments with this group) is when it was written by an outsider,
such as a programmer, who was clarifying the much bullshit and myths
perpetuated by single minded fools like yourself.
Regardless of this, the fact still remains, many of the quotes you have
posted above are flawed and are therefore worthless.
> Let's be fair. Daily Radar was a PS2 fan once but they see what you
> are all blind for: that the PS2 is an over-hyped, problematic (very
> hard to program for, no FSAA, only 4 MB VRAM) and so far
> dissappointing (dissappointing graphics, jaggies, bad E3 showing)
> console.
I agree that it has indeed been over-hyped, and I suspect many others
here will agree also. But even the Dreamcast, initially, had it's fair
share of over enthusiastic journalist drooling over it (one of the worst
lines I ever heard was that Dreamcast's in-game graphics were better
than the PlayStation's pre-rendered footage!!!.) The point is, hype is
everywhere.
And yes, to a certain extent, it has also caused various programmers
who are not finding it easy adapting, some problems. But this is all
part of the course, as you will see. However, 4 MB of VRAM is
not a disadvantage (why can't you get this message through your thick
skulls?).
And then there is the biggest reason yet why you are a FOOL.
And that is you say it is "so far a disappointing console", but yet you
seem to forget that the bloody thing hasn't even seen the light of day
in most countries, and a lot of the games that you often criticise are
still at Beta stage!. Bearing this in mind only a fool would make
predictions at such an early time. And if you know this already it's
even worse because only fanboys would choose to ignore it. as a
point of fact.
> The best thing they could show at E3 was a VIDEO of MGS2!!!
Yes, and what's wrong with that? Sega, too, showcased many up and
coming titles in video form (e.g. Sonic Adventure 2).
Again, it's evident you are desperately looking for holes to pick at.
> Just face it!
>
> It isn't being called the jaggies machine without a reason...
But as effective AA solutions are implemented that reason will
soon dissipate. What will you moan about then?
> Developpers aren't complaining without a reason...
I don't hear developers in Europe complaining. Do you?
No, didn't think so.
> Oddworld isn't dropped without a reason...
There is. And if you look back some threads you'll find a few
discussions about it.
Ste Birmo
> DC's right, you have to admit PS2 doesn't look so hot anymore.
> Looks like arrogance just killed another great company, only time
> will tell. And don't call me a SEGA troll, I hate SEGA! And no,
> DailyRadar is not biased.
Oh dear, God save us all.
joey
> it January 1999 before I saw the DC in action, I would have been
> freaking out. As it is, having had an import DC for over a year now, my
> attitude is one of ambivalence. While I went out and got one (just had
> a yearning), the PS2 really isn't leaps and bounds past the competition.
>
consumers, blame SONY.
motoSL
he will tell you unabashedly that Sega dominated E3. Aaron Loeb pretty much
said the same thing. If you read anything by that Sony editor Dan Egger,
you'll hear a much different story. His latest tag for Sega's showing at E3?
A "scrappy little competitor". Someone should succinctly point out to him
that the PS2 hasn't even been launched in the US yet, no presell numbers, no
sell-through numbers, nothing. The only thing that Sony has to show for the
US market right now is a lot of smack-talk and hype. Someone should also
point out to him that Dreamcast is already out and it has an installed base.
In other words, Sony hasn't won shit yet, that remains to be seen. No, this
fool won't ever acknowledge any success or give due respect to Sega, even if
it stares him in the face. That's why when I read him, I don't get
upset--some people can't be saved from the hype. God bless him....
moto
DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, let's see: its from the same "respectable" magazine all you PS2 fans
> had no problems quoting in the past.
> It was referred to many many time in the past as a "proof" that the PS2
> would rule.
>
> But all of a sudden, Daily Radar jumped ship, became biassed, posts crap.
>
> Let's be fair. Daily Radar was a PS2 fan once but they see what you are
all
> blind for:
> that the PS2 is an over-hyped, problematic (very hard to program for, no
> FSAA, only 4 MB VRAM) and so far dissappointing (dissappointing graphics,
> jaggies, bad E3 showing) console.
> The best thing they could show at E3 was a VIDEO of MGS2!!!
>
> Just face it!
>
> It isn't being called the jaggies machine without a reason...
> Developpers aren't complaining without a reason...
> Oddworld isn't dropped without a reason...
>
> "Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:imkU4.725$Lt6....@news3.cableinet.net...
> > F
> > O
> > O
> > L
> >
> > Spells fool, which is what you are if you believe any of that
> > carp you posted!
> >
> >
> >
> > DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:958517675.3933....@news.demon.nl...
> > > I
> > > G
> > > N
> > > O
> > > R
> > > A
> > > N
> > > T
> > >
> > > spells ignorant and you are!
> > >
> > >
> > > "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net...
> > > > Wow the same sort of shit was said about the DC last year.
> > > >
> > > > T
> > > > R
> > > > O
> > > > L
> > > > L
> > > >
> > > > spells troll and you be one!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Sycore
when it comes out in the US. I have played my friends
import PS2 and nothing so far has really been that great.
This is really disappointing to me as I was amazed at my
original playstation when it first came out. It seems to me
that there are to many compromise and limitations on what
was supposed to be the king of the next-gen machines. I mean
the console is not even out over here and Sony and game
developers are making excuses for it. It does not make any
difference how great your system is if developers find it to
hard to program. Hope sony gets it together before the US
launch. And for gods sake I hope they get rid of those jaggies
because they are making the games look like crap.
tige...@my-deja.com wrote:
> He may be a troll, but truth be told, I was salivating over some of the
> titles for the DC. Now I ain't no system whore - I've got a PSX, N64,
> DC (import and US), and even shelled out six bones for an import PS2.
> But to be honest, for the game genre I'm interested in, I'll be spending
> a lot more software dollars in Sega's house.
>
> I think people are expecting way too much out of the PS2. If I had seen
> it January 1999 before I saw the DC in action, I would have been
> freaking out. As it is, having had an import DC for over a year now, my
> attitude is one of ambivalence. While I went out and got one (just had
> a yearning), the PS2 really isn't leaps and bounds past the competition.
>
> I honestly compare the DC/PS2 think much like PSX/N64. Sure the N64
> looks better on average, but it's not a huge difference. I was not
> knocked off my socks the first time I played RR5. But only system
> whores care about the whole console debate. I'm a game whore. Need for
> Speed will likely never show up on a DC, so I have to buy a PS2.
> Likewise, Crazy Taxi will never show up on the PS2, so I bought a DC.
>
> I wish people would realize they spend more cash on software and just
> buy one of each console (assuming you spend $1000+ a year on this
> stuff). But I guess those that can't afford it become trolls who live
> under bridges waiting for spare change to fall through the cracks. Sad.
>
> In article <8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net>,
> "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote:
powerdude
I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second coming
of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the DC
had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny, Capcom
and practically every single big software company doing developing for the
machine?
So now the PS2's honeymoon is over the wolves are lining up to take shots at
it - not very ingenious of Daily Radar who were until recently having daily
"why the PS2 will change the face of gaming".
I really doubt this is the end of the PS2 - however impressive the DC might
have been it's doing absolutely nothing outside the USA and Sega are not
doing anything about this either. Is it any surprise that most people who
are hostile to the DC are from outside the US?
Like I said when you're on top everyone wants to bring you down - Sony has
been on top for so long the wolves are baying for its blood.
I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal to
both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses) and
the DVD playback is a big bonus. I haven't read or seen anything at E3 to
indicate otherwise - developers bitching about new hardware is old news.
Until they start abandoning the machine in droves and it does not sell well
in the west reports of its iminent demise should be taken with a huge pinch
of salt.
Sheesh - all this FUD is starting to get to me. Perhaps I should get a DC
after all...
Sorry, I succumbed to a moment of insanity there - the POWERDUDE will never
abandon his cause - to fight trolls with deadly force and repel the mad
hordes of seganoids intent on swamping this ng with their crap.
Never fear, Powerdude is here!
PD!
PS2 like a ROCK! (If you can't beat 'em...)
Daniel Deschênes
reviewer in ....
Official DC Magazine.
Go figure.
Reminds me of Randy Nelson, he was PSX-biased, then he went to the Sega Camp,
and Ooops, now he's on Sony's camp.
Go figure again.
The only website guys that I really respect are Gamespot's and Chris Slate from
OPM.
motoSL wrote:
> Well, it really depends on the editor. If you ask Sega editor Greg Orlando,
> he will tell you unabashedly that Sega dominated E3. Aaron Loeb pretty much
> said the same thing. If you read anything by that Sony editor Dan Egger,
> you'll hear a much different story. His latest tag for Sega's showing at E3?
> A "scrappy little competitor". Someone should succinctly point out to him
> that the PS2 hasn't even been launched in the US yet, no presell numbers, no
> sell-through numbers, nothing. The only thing that Sony has to show for the
> US market right now is a lot of smack-talk and hype. Someone should also
> point out to him that Dreamcast is already out and it has an installed base.
> In other words, Sony hasn't won shit yet, that remains to be seen. No, this
> fool won't ever acknowledge any success or give due respect to Sega, even if
> it stares him in the face. That's why when I read him, I don't get
> upset--some people can't be saved from the hype. God bless him....
>
> moto
>
> DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > DC <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:958517675.3933....@news.demon.nl...
> > > > I
> > > > G
> > > > N
> > > > O
> > > > R
> > > > A
> > > > N
> > > > T
> > > >
> > > > spells ignorant and you are!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "morphix" <mor...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:8fsi60$m...@journal.concentric.net...
> > > > > Wow the same sort of shit was said about the DC last year.
> > > > >
> > > > > T
> > > > > R
> > > > > O
> > > > > L
> > > > > L
> > > > >
> > > > > spells troll and you be one!
> > > > >
> > > > >
level lord
>
>So now the PS2's honeymoon is over the wolves are lining up to take shots at
>it - not very ingenious of Daily Radar who were until recently having daily
>"why the PS2 will change the face of gaming".
It seems that even Daily Radar is willing to speak honestly
when slapped upside the head with the facts.
level lord
>
>I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal to
>both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
Oops, I couldn't pass on this one.
Are you saying that the DC doesn't have TONS of great games?
If so, you are somewhat confused, Powerdude.
reastlack
level lord wrote in message <2pe5iscqqe71sj1gi...@4ax.com>...
Yeah, I don't quite get that one either. Which types of games, exactly, is
the Dreamcast going to be lacking by the end of the year, and especially
within the next entire year? It looks like almost every remaining niche
will be filled before long, and the DC will have a major niche - online
games - filled well before the PS2 does.
powerdude
"level lord" <leve...@abccom.com> wrote in message
news:2pe5iscqqe71sj1gi...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:22:40 +0100, "powerdude"
<powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal
to
> >both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
>
> Oops, I couldn't pass on this one.
>
> Are you saying that the DC doesn't have TONS of great games?
> If so, you are somewhat confused, Powerdude.
>
outside the hardcore Sega fans, at least here in Europe (and probably in
most places outside the US).
Before I get ravaged by the DC defenders in this ng I would like to
apologise for my post appearing here. I didn't notice it had been
cross-posted to both PS2 and DC ngs and I don't want to be mistaken for a
troll - I'd get slaughtered by the genuine trolls in the PS2 ng for sheer
hypocrisy (how's it going Nerraw?).
I feel like I just walked into a lion's den...so I'll make a hasty retreat
to the relative safety of agvsp2!
PD!
powerdude
"powerdude" <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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PD!
Raul
"Ultimately, the problem is that the PS2 just isn't the leap that Sony
promised; the sheer brilliance of the tech demos we saw last year are
nowhere to be found in this current crop of software. Yeah, I know--give 'em
time. But will the developers have the patience to try and force that black
box to do what Sony promised? Reports from the show floor reveal that
several dev teams are not amused at the discrepancies between the promises
and the reality of the PS2. Perhaps what made me most nervous about the
PlayStation 2 display was that so much of it was taken up by units showing
off the system's DVD playback. I know that "The Matrix" and "Stuart Little"
look great on a Wega television. I showed up at E3 to see games. And to do
so, I had to go elsewhere than the anemic Sony pavilion"
Gamefan
http://www.gamefan.com/hotinfo.asp?s=6750&rs=
"powerdude" <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
> expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second
coming
> of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the
DC
> had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
> what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny, Capcom
> and practically every single big software company doing developing for the
> machine?
>
> So now the PS2's honeymoon is over the wolves are lining up to take shots
at
> it - not very ingenious of Daily Radar who were until recently having
daily
> "why the PS2 will change the face of gaming".
>
> I really doubt this is the end of the PS2 - however impressive the DC
might
> have been it's doing absolutely nothing outside the USA and Sega are not
> doing anything about this either. Is it any surprise that most people who
> are hostile to the DC are from outside the US?
>
> Like I said when you're on top everyone wants to bring you down - Sony has
> been on top for so long the wolves are baying for its blood.
>
> I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal
to
> both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
PacMan
does the casual gamer look for. You seem to suggest that you know what
these are, and I was hoping that you could let me know.
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>
> "powerdude" <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:muzU4.51$gr1....@nnrp3.clara.net...
> >
> > "level lord" <leve...@abccom.com> wrote in message
> > news:2pe5iscqqe71sj1gi...@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:22:40 +0100, "powerdude"
> > <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that
> appeal
> > to
> > > >both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest
weaknesses)
> > >
Fishy Joe
Because you know that both sides will argue about it or something? Keep you
own PS2 bashing/Sega shagging in your own damn group, or do you enjoy a
hoard of PS2 fans invading your group and bashing your console?
FUCK OFF WITH THE DC/PS2 GROUP CROSS-POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If i wanted to read the dc group i would, and i`m sure that if they wanted
to read ps2 users thoughts they would come here but we all don`t so FUCK OFF
and stop it with the cross-flame-posts.
Fishy Joe
released here in Europe, as Sega have given up everywhere outside the US, so
we really could not give a shit.
Accept it you yanks, there will always be a LOT of resentment against Sega
because the DC is practically dead everywhere outside the US, so your
optimism seems utterly ridiculous to everyone outside the states. And there
are a lot of us here you know?
DC wrote in message <958515290.2333....@news.demon.nl>...
doc
> many
> > > outside the hardcore Sega fans, at least here in Europe (and probably
in
> > > most places outside the US).
WTF are you talking about? Sega's game library is no different than anybody
else's. Sports, fighting, racing, action/adventure, survival horror etc....
PD, you are getting weaker by the minute. How about a new name for you huh?
Stereotype_dude, head in the sand_dude, ignorant_dude, sony colored
glasses_dude. Pick one if you like, free of charge!
> > > Before I get ravaged by the DC defenders in this ng I would like to
> > > apologise for my post appearing here. I didn't notice it had been
> > > cross-posted to both PS2 and DC ngs and I don't want to be mistaken
for
> a
> > > troll - I'd get slaughtered by the genuine trolls in the PS2 ng for
> sheer
> > > hypocrisy (how's it going Nerraw?).
I must admit I was had a good laugh when I saw your post there. Too bad you
put your tail between your legs and ran away like a little girl :-)
> > > I feel like I just walked into a lion's den...so I'll make a hasty
> retreat
> > > to the relative safety of agvsp2!
Yeah well the fruit doesn't fall very far from the tree does it?. You belong
here with all of your Sony brethren. The blind leading the blind.
> > > PD! (Until further notice.)
Alex Westley
launch seem anti-climactic as well: the hype. The hype for PS2 has been
enormous and far beyond what the machine delivered (or still delivers).
Not /all/ the hype was Sony's doing, but quite a bit of it was. Some of
it was just the huge success of PSX and people thinking it must rub off
on PS2 (though no company has held total dominance through a
generational change, so this is a bit illogical). Sega, on the other
hand, had "hype" like people saying "this is Sega's last show" (in 99).
I think there's a lot to be said for being the underdog with zero
expectations. Every bit of press you get, every good review and every
feature has to be fought for and earned. The press and gamers were (and
still are, to some extent) terribly pessimistic about Sega, so they
don't get articles in Newsweek saying that they'll rule the world with a
game box.
With no hype and no expectations, you can't be dissapointed. People have
such low expectations that everything for DC is a pleasant surprise,
while PS2 has expectations of being the second coming. When PS2 ends up
just playing games (a mixed bag of them, at that) then its a terrible
dissapoinment. Sony certainly didn't help the situation by having this
attitude at E3 that they've already beaten Dreamcast and not trying to
compete with Sega (and their packed booth) at all.
powerdude wrote:
>
> I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
> expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second coming
> of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the DC
> had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
> what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny, Capcom
> and practically every single big software company doing developing for the
> machine?
>
<snip>
--
"I still believe that gamers enjoy shooting people so much because they
are so annoying and dumb and just get in their way." -Dave Perry
Alex Westley, aka Kragma
http://www.zoomnet.net/~otaku
Ste Birmo
> > Not what I said - I just don't think it has games that appeal to the
> > many outside the hardcore Sega fans, at least here in Europe (and
> > probably in most places outside the US).
>
> WTF are you talking about? Sega's game library is no different than
> anybody else's. Sports, fighting, racing, action/adventure, survival
> horror etc.... PD, you are getting weaker by the minute. How about
> a new name for you huh? Stereotype_dude, head in the sand_dude,
> ignorant_dude, sony colored glasses_dude. Pick one if you like, free
> of charge!
Ha! - you can f**king talk. Anyway, I think PD is referring to Sega's
hardcore arcade (zZ) games.
Tim Wallace
By maintaining your "cause", as you put it, you are missing out on some
excellent gaming. Forget this us versus them mindset and enjoy the games,
man.
Tim
powerdude <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DC" <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:958515290.2333....@news.demon.nl...
> > "and almost every developer we spoke to mentioned that the PS2 is a
> > nightmare to work with"
> >
> > "most of the PS2 developers we spoke to mentioned Xbox as their hope for
> > salvation. "Maybe Xbox will be easier to work with," was a common
thread"
>
> I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
> expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second
coming
> of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the
DC
> had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
> what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny, Capcom
> and practically every single big software company doing developing for the
> machine?
>
> So now the PS2's honeymoon is over the wolves are lining up to take shots
at
> it - not very ingenious of Daily Radar who were until recently having
daily
> "why the PS2 will change the face of gaming".
>
> I really doubt this is the end of the PS2 - however impressive the DC
might
> have been it's doing absolutely nothing outside the USA and Sega are not
> doing anything about this either. Is it any surprise that most people who
> are hostile to the DC are from outside the US?
>
> Like I said when you're on top everyone wants to bring you down - Sony has
> been on top for so long the wolves are baying for its blood.
>
> I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal
to
> both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
Frank Venditti
> PS2 like a ROCK! (If you can't beat 'em...)
I smell hypocrisy.
motoSL
of ignanimous lies and hype-ridden biased garbage. Only the crystal clear
truth will satisfy those who seek it! You GO power dude! POWER ON!!!!
Ahem....anyways....
> I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
> expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second
coming
> of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the
DC
> had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
> what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny, Capcom
> and practically every single big software company doing developing for the
> machine?
Basically because Sony has its massive media machine spewing forth its
poisonous hype-laden air, proclaiming PS2 to be the best thing since sliced
bread. That was before developers actually got down to the game-making
process. There's no doubt developers are struggling with the machine. As
much as Sony people like to think that anti-aliasing isn't a problem, when
you hear game after game having difficulty with it, there must be something
to it.
But it's really too late for that now. PS2 will be a success regardless of
the complexity of the machine. Dreamcast STILL has better games and a better
show at E3, though, you all better recognize...
> So now the PS2's honeymoon is over the wolves are lining up to take shots
at
> it - not very ingenious of Daily Radar who were until recently having
daily
> "why the PS2 will change the face of gaming".
This is part of the problem, quotes like this are utter garbage and are
primarily responsible for all this back and forth banter in the NGs. If none
of these promises and claims ("PS2 changing the face of gaming") were ever
made, or better yet, if they were actually KEPT we'd all be a million times
happier for Sony. But like you said, the honeymoon is over. Codeshops are
finding out how difficult it is to get results from the PS2, and its
architecthure, what was once called "intriguing" is now considered
"difficult". The overwhelming support of the industry will ensure its
success, however.
>
> I really doubt this is the end of the PS2 - however impressive the DC
might
> have been it's doing absolutely nothing outside the USA and Sega are not
> doing anything about this either. Is it any surprise that most people who
> are hostile to the DC are from outside the US?
Of course it isn't over for PS2, it hasn't even been launched outside of
Japan yet. What's really disconcerting is that many people think it's
already over for SEGA, and that is still very up in the air, and more and
more it's looking like Dreamcast is here to stay. Put THAT in your pipe and
smoke it...
>
> Like I said when you're on top everyone wants to bring you down - Sony has
> been on top for so long the wolves are baying for its blood.
I agree, there are as many Sega trolls as there are Sony ones. What I can't
for the life of me figure out though is why the Sony trolls only post to the
Sega NG, while the Sega trolls like to cross-post. It's almost like the
"Seganoids" want to be respectable about trolling...
>
> I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that appeal
to
> both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
and
> the DVD playback is a big bonus. I haven't read or seen anything at E3 to
> indicate otherwise - developers bitching about new hardware is old news.
> Until they start abandoning the machine in droves and it does not sell
well
> in the west reports of its iminent demise should be taken with a huge
pinch
> of salt.
Where are you getting this stuff about Sony's demise?
> Sheesh - all this FUD is starting to get to me. Perhaps I should get a DC
> after all...
>
> Sorry, I succumbed to a moment of insanity there - the POWERDUDE will
never
> abandon his cause - to fight trolls with deadly force and repel the mad
> hordes of seganoids intent on swamping this ng with their crap.
>
> Never fear, Powerdude is here!
>
> PD!
>
> PS2 like a ROCK! (If you can't beat 'em...)
People will always choose sides. But I really think you'll HAVE to get a DC
down the road. If all you care about is the games, then you should really go
out and get one today ;-)
moto
doc
What do you mean you *think* he was referring? Are you two telepathically
linked by some strange Sony device. Do you have his approval to *think* for
power_dude? Let him speak for himself and shut the fuck up. Thank you and
have a nice day ;-)
Nerraw
Nerraw
P.S. If you cant beat em, that's the funniest thing you've ever typed PD!
P.P.S. SEGA DC LIKE A ROCK THAT SMASHED THE PS2!
"powerdude" <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "level lord" <leve...@abccom.com> wrote in message
> news:2pe5iscqqe71sj1gi...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:22:40 +0100, "powerdude"
> <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games that
appeal
> to
> > >both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest weaknesses)
> >
> > Oops, I couldn't pass on this one.
> >
> > Are you saying that the DC doesn't have TONS of great games?
> > If so, you are somewhat confused, Powerdude.
> >
> Not what I said - I just don't think it has games that appeal to the many
> outside the hardcore Sega fans, at least here in Europe (and probably in
> most places outside the US).
>
> Before I get ravaged by the DC defenders in this ng I would like to
> apologise for my post appearing here. I didn't notice it had been
> cross-posted to both PS2 and DC ngs and I don't want to be mistaken for a
> troll - I'd get slaughtered by the genuine trolls in the PS2 ng for sheer
> hypocrisy (how's it going Nerraw?).
>
> I feel like I just walked into a lion's den...so I'll make a hasty retreat
> to the relative safety of agvsp2!
>
> PD!
>
>
Nerraw
missiles into their home.
Nerraw
P.S. I wish the X-Box would hurry up! NOT! Just Kidding! Maybe NOT!
"Alex Westley" <ot...@zoomnet.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> I think you've hit on something here, something that made the Japanese
> launch seem anti-climactic as well: the hype. The hype for PS2 has been
> enormous and far beyond what the machine delivered (or still delivers).
> Not /all/ the hype was Sony's doing, but quite a bit of it was. Some of
> it was just the huge success of PSX and people thinking it must rub off
> on PS2 (though no company has held total dominance through a
> generational change, so this is a bit illogical). Sega, on the other
> hand, had "hype" like people saying "this is Sega's last show" (in 99).
>
> I think there's a lot to be said for being the underdog with zero
> expectations. Every bit of press you get, every good review and every
> feature has to be fought for and earned. The press and gamers were (and
> still are, to some extent) terribly pessimistic about Sega, so they
> don't get articles in Newsweek saying that they'll rule the world with a
> game box.
>
> With no hype and no expectations, you can't be dissapointed. People have
> such low expectations that everything for DC is a pleasant surprise,
> while PS2 has expectations of being the second coming. When PS2 ends up
> just playing games (a mixed bag of them, at that) then its a terrible
> dissapoinment. Sony certainly didn't help the situation by having this
> attitude at E3 that they've already beaten Dreamcast and not trying to
> compete with Sega (and their packed booth) at all.
>
> powerdude wrote:
> >
> > I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
> > expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second
coming
> > of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software
the DC
> > had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
> > what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny,
Capcom
> > and practically every single big software company doing developing for
the
> > machine?
> >
Nerraw
Nerraw
P.S. Sega DC Like A ROCK that SMASHED the PS2!
"Frank Venditti" <sli...@home.com> wrote in message
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> You mock trolls then end off your post with:
>
> > PS2 like a ROCK! (If you can't beat 'em...)
>
> I smell hypocrisy.
>
>
Nerraw
Nerraw
P.S. Sega DC Like a ROCK that SMASHED the PS2 IN CANADA TOO!
"Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
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> Also what you are forgetting is that very few of the DC games shown will
be
> released here in Europe, as Sega have given up everywhere outside the US,
so
> we really could not give a shit.
> Accept it you yanks, there will always be a LOT of resentment against Sega
> because the DC is practically dead everywhere outside the US, so your
> optimism seems utterly ridiculous to everyone outside the states. And
there
> are a lot of us here you know?
>
> DC wrote in message <958515290.2333....@news.demon.nl>...
> >http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_770_1.html
> >
> >Coming from a respected source as Daily Radar, this is BAD news for the
> PS2.
> >Here are some quotes from the article:
> >
> >"Sega, by all accounts, had the best E3 it's ever had. Sony had its
worst"
> >
> >"the plurality of those we spoke to on the floor said things more like,
> "who
> >knew Sony would blow it this badly?"
> >
> >"the moribund tone of Sony's press conference seeped into its museumlike
> >booth, where row after row of choppy games were ignored by the majority
of
> >attendees"
> >
> >"As several people we spoke to pointed out, it did not bode well for
Sony's
> >show that it chose to place PlayStation2s playing DVD movies at the front
> of
> >its booth. Its high quality DVD playback abilities seem, in Sony's mind,
to
> >be the high point of the system"
> >
> >"Many of the games in Sony's booth were so far from completion they never
> >should have been on the floor (we actually saw someone throw a controller
> >down while playing one demo/slide show running at 5 frames per second)"
> >
> >"the Sega booth was the hit of the show"
> >
> >"and almost every developer we spoke to mentioned that the PS2 is a
> >nightmare to work with"
> >
Fhilipe Xavio
Fishy Joe <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
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powerdude
>
> "Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:h3FU4.1344$yD6.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
> > doc <d...@wigwam.com> wrote in message:
> > > > many outside the hardcore Sega fans, at least here in Europe (and
> > > > probably in most places outside the US).
> > >
> > > anybody else's. Sports, fighting, racing, action/adventure, survival
> > > horror etc.... PD, you are getting weaker by the minute. How about
> > > a new name for you huh? Stereotype_dude, head in the sand_dude,
> > > ignorant_dude, sony colored glasses_dude. Pick one if you like, free
> > > of charge!
> >
> > Ha! - you can f**king talk. Anyway, I think PD is referring to Sega's
> > hardcore arcade (zZ) games.
>
> What do you mean you *think* he was referring? Are you two telepathically
> linked by some strange Sony device. Do you have his approval to *think*
for
> power_dude? Let him speak for himself and shut the fuck up. Thank you and
> have a nice day ;-)
>
>
to admit making mistakes - I didn't notice the crossposter and hence was
mortified to see my reply appear in the DC ngs which I frequently trawl but
never troll. I don't apologise for what I said however.
And most of us in this ng are on the same wavelength which is a real pity
for you sad trolls. So I have no problem with Ste or any of the other
faithful second-guessing me - they get it right most of the time - unlike
you FUD kings.
PD!
powerdude
"Frank Venditti" <sli...@home.com> wrote in message
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> You mock trolls then end off your post with:
>
> > PS2 like a ROCK! (If you can't beat 'em...)
>
> I smell hypocrisy.
Oh brother someone explain the mysteries of sarcasm to these dumb-ass
trolls!
PD!
powerdude
"Nerraw" <ner...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Exactly, I wonder how good I would be if I really was a troll, NOT!
The idea of you having a life is just too scary to comprehend.
> Nerraw
>
> P.S. Sega DC Like A ROCK that SMASHED the PS2
Did you spend all day dreaming up that signature - what a waste of your
immense talents!
PD!
powerdude
"motoSL" <and...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Hey, it's my counterpart on the Sony side! Like you I will fight all forms
> of ignanimous lies and hype-ridden biased garbage. Only the crystal clear
> truth will satisfy those who seek it! You GO power dude! POWER ON!!!!
Thanks bro - you do likewise keeping us Sony scum outta your ng! Trolls of
any colour are to be despised and fought to the death!
> Ahem....anyways....
> Basically because Sony has its massive media machine spewing forth its
> poisonous hype-laden air, proclaiming PS2 to be the best thing since
sliced
> bread. That was before developers actually got down to the game-making
> process. There's no doubt developers are struggling with the machine. As
> much as Sony people like to think that anti-aliasing isn't a problem, when
> you hear game after game having difficulty with it, there must be
something
> to it.
I agree it has its problems like all consoles but the fact is for every
developer bitching about it you have the likes of EA, Konami and Namco
keeping quiet and pounding out the great games. Most developers are way too
pampered anyway - I should know - and love to bitch about the limitations of
the hardware rather than admit to their own limitations. The PS2 is a
challenge to program - which is why I expect the best developers to rise to
the challenge and push themselves and the machine to its limits. The rest
of them can piss off to the PC and Xbox for all I care!
> But it's really too late for that now. PS2 will be a success regardless of
> the complexity of the machine. Dreamcast STILL has better games and a
better
> show at E3, though, you all better recognize...
Yeah but let's have some perspective - the DC has been out since Nov 98 -
the PS2 since Mar 00. Compared to both the DC and PSX launches it has a
pretty amazing launch lineup.
> This is part of the problem, quotes like this are utter garbage and are
> primarily responsible for all this back and forth banter in the NGs. If
none
> of these promises and claims ("PS2 changing the face of gaming") were ever
> made, or better yet, if they were actually KEPT we'd all be a million
times
> happier for Sony. But like you said, the honeymoon is over. Codeshops are
> finding out how difficult it is to get results from the PS2, and its
> architecthure, what was once called "intriguing" is now considered
> "difficult". The overwhelming support of the industry will ensure its
> success, however.
Agreed!
> Of course it isn't over for PS2, it hasn't even been launched outside of
> Japan yet. What's really disconcerting is that many people think it's
> already over for SEGA, and that is still very up in the air, and more and
> more it's looking like Dreamcast is here to stay. Put THAT in your pipe
and
> smoke it...
The reason why the DC has been written off is because despite having over a
year's head start it hasn't sold well outside the US and even there it's not
that impressive considering it has no next-gen competition. If Sony and
Nintendo are worried by the Xbox I don't see how Sega can be anything but
marginalised - they simply don't have the marketing muscle or know-how to
shift a lot more machines. Even Sega themselves have admitted that so far
only the hardcore have bought the DC - hence the move to a different
business model.
> I agree, there are as many Sega trolls as there are Sony ones. What I
can't
> for the life of me figure out though is why the Sony trolls only post to
the
> Sega NG, while the Sega trolls like to cross-post. It's almost like the
> "Seganoids" want to be respectable about trolling...
Trolls are trolls, whatever flag they're waving. Death to them all!
> Where are you getting this stuff about Sony's demise?
From the mouths of those great FUDsters (trolls in other words).
> People will always choose sides. But I really think you'll HAVE to get a
DC
> down the road. If all you care about is the games, then you should really
go
> out and get one today ;-)
Same problem I had with the Saturn and N64 - a couple of decent games but
the rest was pure filler to me. Some games you are never into - like Sega
arcade games - and some you grow out of - Nintendo's kiddie games (although
I would kill for a Super Metroid update!). I expect the PS2 will have the
bulk of exclusive 3rd party games that I like and I have a lot more faith in
Sony being able to fight off the competition than Sega. For me a console is
an investment and I can't justify investing in a company with dubious
returns and a poor history. Narrow-minded? Perhaps. But when you've gone
through the grief I did with the likes of Atari you are reluctant to get
involved with another company with a troubled history. So far I've been
more than satisfied with Sony's performance, but I wouldn't be slow to ditch
them if they became complacent and lost the goodwill they've taken great
pains to build up with both consumers and developers. Loyalty only goes so
far after all!
> moto
>
PD!
P.S. I noticed this was cross-posted but I will leave it so because I think
it does have relevance to both ngs - I think it demonstrates we can have
reasonable discussions about the merits/demerits of both machines without it
degenerating into mindless trolling. I regret to say this about my Sony
bretheren but Sony trolls in the DC ng are just as loathsome as DC ones in
the PS2 ng. Those that contribute nothing but bile should FUD off and die!
Dave Chapman
>
> I agree it has its problems like all consoles but the fact is for every
> developer bitching about it you have the likes of EA, Konami and Namco
> keeping quiet and pounding out the great games. Most developers are way
too
> pampered anyway - I should know - and love to bitch about the limitations
of
> the hardware rather than admit to their own limitations. The PS2 is a
> challenge to program - which is why I expect the best developers to rise
to
> the challenge and push themselves and the machine to its limits. The rest
> of them can piss off to the PC and Xbox for all I care!
Hmm, I only hope it doesn't become another Saturn. As I understand it, the
Sat was a pain to program for and most developers didn't bother to discover
how to do it properly. CTP: Alient Trilogy vs Exhumed. Both 3D walkarounds,
only one had a draw distance over about 10 feet because they got to grips
with it.
Personally, I think we will see a few class A titles, followed up by
hundreds of mediocre, badly programmed titles that will jyst flood the
market.
I would love the developers to prove me wrong though....
Dave
Fishy Joe
Nerraw wrote in message ...
>Exactly, I wonder how good I would be if I really was a troll, NOT!
>
>
You have become a troll, Nerraw, its true.
And so sad, what the hell happened to your intelligent posts? Has someone
hijacked your name or did you take too big a hit of your sega-crack?
If you have something good to say about the dreamcast(how it rulez at a show
or whatever) then don`t post it here as we don`t care.
Fishy Joe
Man, you should stick around in the PS2 group and counter-fight the dc
trolls with your powers of reason or something.
And you are right that the DC will be a console that every serious gamer
MUST have, but outside of america it is too expensive and the library is too
small just now.
Next year though, when you can get it for £100 it`ll be worth getting. Just
like how the N64 is now, you can get it for £40 and have access to some of
the best games ever.
Fishy Joe
Nerraw wrote in message ...
>
>
>P.S. Sega DC Like a ROCK that SMASHED the PS2 IN CANADA TOO!
?
Ha, like us Europeans can be bothered thinking as Canada not part of the US,
apart from the towns of the garlic-munchers you are practically the same.
And why is it that all DC trolls seem to be from the big north, ay, you
hosers? Whats it all aboot?
BLAME CANADA!
simon
<7eHU4.15402$XO1.8...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
====
>> I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were people
>> expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the second
>coming
>> of the messiah? Would people like to remember the amount of software the
>DC
>> had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to work with
>> what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead, Shiny,
Capcom
>> and practically every single big software company doing developing for
the
>> machine?
>
>poisonous hype-laden air, proclaiming PS2 to be the best thing since sliced
>bread. That was before developers actually got down to the game-making
>process. There's no doubt developers are struggling with the machine. As
>much as Sony people like to think that anti-aliasing isn't a problem, when
>you hear game after game having difficulty with it, there must be something
>to it.
game after game????.......there are only a handful of titles for it
currently
everyone complains about the sony hype machine.......if it werent for that
the ps1 wouldnt have sold as many machines and it is because of the number
of machines sold that lots of games got released for it, and it is all the
games that make a console a success..........not sitting in a corner
complaining that you are losing
====
>But it's really too late for that now. PS2 will be a success regardless of
>the complexity of the machine. Dreamcast STILL has better games and a
better
>show at E3, though, you all better recognize...
====
yeah sega did have a better e3 but apart from that what have they done
recently?
finally started online gaming - over 6 months after the 'play against a
million people worldwide' ads - but the only game thus far is something that
could be played with a pc over the net as a java game!!
====
>Of course it isn't over for PS2, it hasn't even been launched outside of
>Japan yet. What's really disconcerting is that many people think it's
>already over for SEGA, and that is still very up in the air, and more and
>more it's looking like Dreamcast is here to stay. Put THAT in your pipe and
>smoke it...
====
well, in the uk and japan it looks very much like the dreamcast is on the
way out!
====
>I agree, there are as many Sega trolls as there are Sony ones. What I can't
>for the life of me figure out though is why the Sony trolls only post to
the
>Sega NG, while the Sega trolls like to cross-post. It's almost like the
>"Seganoids" want to be respectable about trolling...
====
there is no such thing as a respectable troll!!
====
>People will always choose sides. But I really think you'll HAVE to get a DC
>down the road. If all you care about is the games, then you should really
go
>out and get one today ;-)
====
not in europe, there arent enough games (STILL) to make it a viable purchase
--
From Simon Hutchinson
EMail: smhATeidosnetDOTcoDOTuk
ICQ: Not On News Posts
C. Delorean
Fishy Joe <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
Hey..
I'm not a lumberjack or a fur trader
And I don't live in an igloo eat blubber or own a dog sled.
And I don't know Jimmy, Sally, or Suzy from Canada,
although I'm certain they're really really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a President.
I speak English and French, not American.
And I pronounce it about, not "a boot".
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace-keeping, not policing.
Diversity, not assimilation.
And that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
A toque is a hat.
A chesterfield IS a couch
And it is pronounced zed, not zee, ZED.
Canada is the second largest land mass,
The first nation of hockey,
and the best part of North America.
My name is Joe, and I AM CANADIAN!
Thank you.
Fishy Joe
C. Delorean wrote in message ...
Hey, settle down guy, take a rest.
:-)
My name is also Joe and i love Canada (and ice hockey CRAPS all over any
american sport).
You know i was just messing about like in South Park the movie don`t you?
Although it is true, the most vocal and persistant trolls here have all been
Canadian strangely, maybe you guys just like to argue or something ;-)
Although i am sad to hear that you ain`t a lumberjack, i would have liked to
ask you stuff. Because i never wanted to surf the net, no, i always wanted
to be..... a LUMBERJACK, and i want to be ok...... and sleep all night and
a`work all day.
Just like ma` dear mamaaaaa.
Fishy Joe
>And that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
>
Oh yeah, and i agree to that!
I love the beaver, a truly gorgeous creation.
God bless the beaver.
;-)
C. Delorean
Fishy Joe <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
>
> Hey, settle down guy, take a rest.
> :-)
> My name is also Joe and i love Canada (and ice hockey CRAPS all over any
> american sport).
> You know i was just messing about like in South Park the movie don`t you?
Yeah, I saw South Park, and I was just messing with you also. It's from a
Molson commercial:
http://www.iam.ca/rant/rant_video.html
reastlack
simon wrote in message <8g1p12$2p62$4...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
Well, the games now have the problem, and we're talking games with huge
budgets and the best programmers. If they haven't been able to fix the
problem by now, it must be pretty big. Maybe it can be overcome, but if the
big boys are having difficulty with it then you know the average developers
are going too, also.
>everyone complains about the sony hype machine.......if it werent for that
>the ps1 wouldnt have sold as many machines and it is because of the number
>of machines sold that lots of games got released for it
More like the other way around in reality. The Playstation became popular
not because of Sony's "hype machine" but because it had so many games
released for it. It was easy to program for, see, and didn't have media
limitations like the N64 (which was supposed to kill the Playstation if you
remember, much like the PS2 is supposed to kill the Dreamcast.)
Sony's name and marketing savvy were enough to get Playstation a start in
the market, but it's overall success was due to the machine itself.
> and it is all the
>games that make a console a success..........not sitting in a corner
>complaining that you are losing
Well, if that's true then the Dreamcast will undoubtedly be a success,
because the games are excellent, and surprisingly high in number considering
the lack of faith in it's future by the development community and the
absence of some of the biggest publishers in the industry.
The reason seems pretty clear - it's relatively easy to make a good game,
under budget and on time for the Dreamcast. That's exactly what made the
Playstation such a popular machine.
>====
>>But it's really too late for that now. PS2 will be a success regardless of
>>the complexity of the machine. Dreamcast STILL has better games and a
>better
>>show at E3, though, you all better recognize...
>====
>yeah sega did have a better e3 but apart from that what have they done
>recently?
>
>finally started online gaming - over 6 months after the 'play against a
>million people worldwide' ads - but the only game thus far is something
that
>could be played with a pc over the net as a java game!!
Yeah, it's taken longer than everybody had hoped, but the online games are
coming - soon. They will be here for this holiday season, and many are
already in playable shape as shown at E3. How long do you think PS2 owners
will have to wait before they get games online? A year and a half from now
would be very optimistic, I think.
>>Of course it isn't over for PS2, it hasn't even been launched outside of
>>Japan yet. What's really disconcerting is that many people think it's
>>already over for SEGA, and that is still very up in the air, and more and
>>more it's looking like Dreamcast is here to stay. Put THAT in your pipe
and
>>smoke it...
>
>====
>well, in the uk and japan it looks very much like the dreamcast is on the
>way out!
Probably relegated to #2 at best, but on the way out, I doubt it. The
Japanese DC owners will continue to buy games and the ownership figures will
slowly but steadily creep upward over the next year, unless one of the games
just blows the Japanese away and convinces them to run out and get a
Dreamcast. That's unlikely to happen, but there are several exclusive RPG's
coming up that should convince enough Japanese gamers to make the Dreamcast
their 2nd machine, considering the investment is low.
I don't know about Europe, but the DC has sold pretty well there so far and
should pick up when they start seeing more of the titles we have in the US.
Ecco the Dolphin might also help - it looks like a system seller to me.
gar...@earthlink.net
<snip>
>
>====
>well, in the uk and japan it looks very much like the dreamcast is on the
>way out!
I can't say much about the UK (is it still around?), but the DC is not
dead in Japan. Yes, it has performed below expectations, but now that
the Japanese have gotten a good look at the PS2 and the DC has real
RPG's coming, I think the DC will do OK over there for a while. It
will never have the PSX/PS2 market share, but Sega will carve out a
market segment for themselves.
-G
(Signature under permanent construction)
www.g-pix.com
Frank Venditti
am---and I might have a little more respect for your hypocritical posts.
Get a life. You don't have to be so damn abrasive to get your point
accross, dude.
"powerdude" <powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Frank Venditti
"C. Delorean" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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>
> Fishy Joe <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
> news:ItZU4.963$PZ6.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
> >
> > Nerraw wrote in message ...
> > >Not in Canada EH!, What a blooming pity.
> > >
> > >Nerraw
> > >
> > >P.S. Sega DC Like a ROCK that SMASHED the PS2 IN CANADA TOO!
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Ha, like us Europeans can be bothered thinking as Canada not part of the
> US,
> > apart from the towns of the garlic-munchers you are practically the
same.
> >
> > And why is it that all DC trolls seem to be from the big north, ay, you
> > hosers? Whats it all aboot?
> >
> > BLAME CANADA!
> >
> >
>
> Hey..
> I'm not a lumberjack or a fur trader
> And I don't live in an igloo eat blubber or own a dog sled.
> And I don't know Jimmy, Sally, or Suzy from Canada,
> although I'm certain they're really really nice.
>
> I have a Prime Minister, not a President.
> I speak English and French, not American.
> And I pronounce it about, not "a boot".
> I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
>
> I believe in peace-keeping, not policing.
> Diversity, not assimilation.
> And that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
>
Frank Venditti
"Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
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>
> >And that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
> >
>
motoSL
> developer bitching about it you have the likes of EA, Konami and Namco
> keeping quiet and pounding out the great games. Most developers are way
too
> pampered anyway - I should know - and love to bitch about the limitations
of
> the hardware rather than admit to their own limitations. The PS2 is a
> challenge to program - which is why I expect the best developers to rise
to
> the challenge and push themselves and the machine to its limits. The rest
> of them can piss off to the PC and Xbox for all I care!
Yes, I agree...
> Yeah but let's have some perspective - the DC has been out since Nov 98 -
> the PS2 since Mar 00. Compared to both the DC and PSX launches it has a
> pretty amazing launch lineup.
All I care about is the games, and after reading all about E3, most of the
games I'm interested happen to be on Dreamcast. But PS2, speaking in
relative terms, does have a launch lineup that is as impressive as
Dreamcast's US launch lineup. I'd actually be disappointed if it wasn't :-)
> The reason why the DC has been written off is because despite having over
a
> year's head start it hasn't sold well outside the US and even there it's
not
> that impressive considering it has no next-gen competition. If Sony and
> Nintendo are worried by the Xbox I don't see how Sega can be anything but
> marginalised - they simply don't have the marketing muscle or know-how to
> shift a lot more machines. Even Sega themselves have admitted that so far
> only the hardcore have bought the DC - hence the move to a different
> business model.
Well, the Dreamcast isn't dead in the US, far from it, as a matter of fact.
You can't just laugh off 2 million strong Dreamcast owners, there's some
serious spending power there (especially if they're hardcore). Also, the
network strategy and online gaming/ISP business model was thought up a
looong time before the US launch, by Brad Huang in May of 99 (I think), so
that doesn't have anything to do with the market today. Sega's been planning
this all along, and IMO it's a very good plan, indeed. Online gaming/built
in modem will be one of Sega's pillars of strength, and it will be an asset
to the company when PS2 arrives. And while the PS2 preorder numbers are very
strong (in my area, about 1000 (!)preorders before the cutoff last night),
it remains to be seen how PS2 will do with a $300 price point+one
memorycard+one game compared to something that can be free or $150
+VMU+game. I think one year from now the finishing places will all shake
out, and I insist to remain neutral on the matter :-p
>
> Same problem I had with the Saturn and N64 - a couple of decent games but
> the rest was pure filler to me. Some games you are never into - like Sega
> arcade games - and some you grow out of - Nintendo's kiddie games
(although
> I would kill for a Super Metroid update!). I expect the PS2 will have the
> bulk of exclusive 3rd party games that I like and I have a lot more faith
in
> Sony being able to fight off the competition than Sega. For me a console
is
> an investment and I can't justify investing in a company with dubious
> returns and a poor history. Narrow-minded? Perhaps. But when you've
gone
> through the grief I did with the likes of Atari you are reluctant to get
> involved with another company with a troubled history. So far I've been
> more than satisfied with Sony's performance, but I wouldn't be slow to
ditch
> them if they became complacent and lost the goodwill they've taken great
> pains to build up with both consumers and developers. Loyalty only goes
so
> far after all!
This is the first reasonable argument I've heard for not getting a system in
a long time. That's exactly why I don't have an N64 (no Earthbound 64,
damnit! If you dig Earthbound then go to http://www.starman.net and sign the
petition!) Hey, if you don't like the games, then don't buy it. If you don't
have faith in said investment, cool. It's your world, Powerdude ;-)...
For me, the games speak for themselves. I have a Dreamcast because of the
games, and E3 only gave me more faith in my Dreamcast, just because off all
the incredible GAMES to pick up. I feel my investment has already been paid
back in full by the likes of Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, and the promise of
Q3, 18 Wheeler, and PSO. Games, games, games, it's all about the games. Play
on, and on whatever system you have...
moto
Nerraw
the Ng address wasting time, I have posted and will continue to post
intelligent information for the DC & PS2 Ng., everything else is sheer
madness to pay the Son's of Sony back with a taste of their own medicine,
like they don't think the same way, just because they don't show it with the
same polishing or wit I offer, they intentionally wish to get their messages
across with the same amount of vengeance.
Nerraw
P.S. Trolls live under bridges and hide in the dark, I live in the lime
light and speak without fear or shame with nothing to hide, the problem is
some people just can't handle the truth.
"Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
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>
> Nerraw wrote in message ...
Nerraw
year for something they can have now, next year the X-Box and Dolphin will
be all over the place and again it will be a whole new ball game, my point
is why should I walk to work for six month's when I can drive a car
available now instead of waiting for one with tinted windows chrome plated
fenders, and if there are cars which offer 80Klm to the litre next year then
why not just burn out this car and when the real value machines show up grab
one of them.
Nerraw
P.S. Just because you like in the UK, don't give us some sob story that you
cannot acquire anything we can, with today's ordering capabilities and
shipping method's, that shouldn't be a problem.
"Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
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Tim Wallace
See ya later, Powerdud(e)
Tim
powerdude
"Tim Wallace" <timwallace@_boohoo_pa.net> wrote in message
news:8g2gkh$kg2$1...@news.pa.net...
> Was that a name dropping into my killfile I just heard?
>
> See ya later, Powerdud(e)
>
> Tim
>
PD!
powerdude
> games I'm interested happen to be on Dreamcast. But PS2, speaking in
> relative terms, does have a launch lineup that is as impressive as
> Dreamcast's US launch lineup. I'd actually be disappointed if it wasn't
:-)
I think both did pretty well considering their relative release dates. If
Sony disappoints at next year's E3 then I expect the obituary writers (aka
trolls) will be sharpening their knives with glee!
> Well, the Dreamcast isn't dead in the US, far from it, as a matter of
fact.
> You can't just laugh off 2 million strong Dreamcast owners, there's some
> serious spending power there (especially if they're hardcore). Also, the
> network strategy and online gaming/ISP business model was thought up a
> looong time before the US launch, by Brad Huang in May of 99 (I think), so
> that doesn't have anything to do with the market today. Sega's been
planning
> this all along, and IMO it's a very good plan, indeed. Online gaming/built
> in modem will be one of Sega's pillars of strength, and it will be an
asset
> to the company when PS2 arrives. And while the PS2 preorder numbers are
very
> strong (in my area, about 1000 (!)preorders before the cutoff last night),
> it remains to be seen how PS2 will do with a $300 price point+one
> memorycard+one game compared to something that can be free or $150
> +VMU+game. I think one year from now the finishing places will all shake
> out, and I insist to remain neutral on the matter :-p
I think that pretty much explains much of the hostility towards Sega over
here - they are doing absolutely nothing and are nowhere to be seen. Where
the hell are all the free promotions and big games that are out already in
the US. They seem to have decided to compete in only one market - which is
the biggest one to be sure but not to the extent that you can ignore the
rest of the world. That's probably due to their financial position but as
is true in many other businesses you have to spend money to make money.
Sega seem to be following Nintendo's method of saturating the US and
ignoring the rest of the world. The problem with that is when the US market
gets saturated what then? It won't be easy to then suddenly start taking an
interest in Europe when consumers here will be buying the PS2 in droves and
forgetting about the DC.
> This is the first reasonable argument I've heard for not getting a system
in
> a long time. That's exactly why I don't have an N64 (no Earthbound 64,
> damnit! If you dig Earthbound then go to http://www.starman.net and sign
the
> petition!) Hey, if you don't like the games, then don't buy it. If you
don't
> have faith in said investment, cool. It's your world, Powerdude ;-)...
Same here - The one game that really had me hooked on Nintendo was Super
Metroid. I think because the game didn't do so well in Japan they never
considered doing an update. I was tempted when Zelda came out - but by then
I was well into my PSX and couldn't justify getting the N64 just for one
game.
> For me, the games speak for themselves. I have a Dreamcast because of the
> games, and E3 only gave me more faith in my Dreamcast, just because off
all
> the incredible GAMES to pick up. I feel my investment has already been
paid
> back in full by the likes of Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, and the promise of
> Q3, 18 Wheeler, and PSO. Games, games, games, it's all about the games.
Play
> on, and on whatever system you have...
I can relate to that - GT2000, Wipeout, RR5 (I likes me racing games!) TTT,
MGS2 - are what I'm getting the PS2 for. And no the jaggies are not going
to spoil the fun for me (sorry trolls)!
> moto
>
PD! (roll on Oct 26th!)
Dave Chapman
> P.S. Just because you like in the UK, don't give us some sob story that
you
> cannot acquire anything we can, with today's ordering capabilities and
> shipping method's, that shouldn't be a problem.
Whoa whoa whoa!
Why the hell should I invalidate my warranty and then have to pay to ship a
game 1500 miles just to play it? Its just plain stupid.
Doa2 won't eb out over here for another 2 months whilst everyone else in the
world has played it and traded it by then. I mean, a PAL conversion is NOT
THAT HARD REALLY. Especially with the 60hz option. What the hell are Sega
doing? Where are the adverts? Why is it that virtually no-one knows about
the DC?
Sega can't do this and then whinge that the user base is too small.
Dave
EvilNeil
07.c2...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Dave Chapman"
<no...@nowhere.none> wrote:
>Whoa whoa whoa!
>
>Why the hell should I invalidate my warranty and then have to
>pay to ship a game 1500 miles just to play it? Its just plain
>stupid.
Well you've sort of got a point about the warranty, not one I
agree with, but I can understand it....but there's no need to
have to pay for shipping like that. There are some decent import
stores in the UK (projectk.com, gamesterminal.com and cex.co.uk
spring to mind)
And international shipping isn't that bad anyway -- I've just
bought a PSX game from a US online store and it cost me the
equivalent of £30 -- and that's *including* shipping...
>What the hell are Sega doing? Where are the adverts? Why is it
>that virtually no-one knows about the DC?
The what? :P
-Neil
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Fishy Joe
Nerraw wrote in message <1u3V4.66225$55.13...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>...
>The only problem with this logic is who in their right minds want to wait a
>year for something they can have now, next year the X-Box and Dolphin will
>be all over the place and again it will be a whole new ball game, my point
>is why should I walk to work for six month's when I can drive a car
>available now instead of waiting for one with tinted windows chrome plated
>fenders, and if there are cars which offer 80Klm to the litre next year
then
>why not just burn out this car and when the real value machines show up
grab
>one of them.
>
Oh i want a DC, but one and a few games will cost more than £300, which i`d
rather spend on a PS2. Mostly because me and my pals need some new Tekken
tournaments and i really want a DVD player, and standalone players cost a
lot here cost a lot here so i`d rather get one for free. I have a very low
paying job and prefer to spend my pathetic disposable income on PS and PC
games, beer, going out, etc. I can really only start saving for one
console(and consistently buy games for only one new one).
So unless the price of the DC is something that won`t take me months to save
up for, i decide to save my meagre cash for the PS2 and some games and
DVD`s.
It`s all about cash man, just because i think the PS2 is better doesn`t mean
i don`t ever want a DC.
>Nerraw
>
>P.S. Just because you like in the UK, don't give us some sob story that you
>cannot acquire anything we can, with today's ordering capabilities and
>shipping method's, that shouldn't be a problem.
!?
Do you think the UK is backward or something? Nearly every town has an
import shop, my local one is ace, but obviously the games cost more (about
£50-£60) and apart from maybe there is no game that would give me its
money`s worth just yet.
And i`ll admit, it also has a little to do with status. Saying to my pals
that i have just bought a DC would be met with a cocked eyebrow or two and a
few laughs at my expense (and they are not computer/console freaks at all).
But come October 29th when i phone them to say that i`ve just got a PS2 will
be met with them all quickly pounding on my door for a go and then months of
joyous Tekken/NHL2001/GT2000/UnrealTourney/RR5 tournaments will commence.
Childish maybe, but thats the number one advantage has over the DC outside
the US, right now a game boy color would arouse more interest in the casual
gamers than a DC would here, yet the PS2`s interest is still gigantic and
will only get bigger.
Atila
<powerdu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<Story about how Daily Radar shakes of the Sony fanboy image>
>I knew the trolls would have a field day with this. What were
people
>expecting from a machine that was launched 2 months ago - the
second coming
>of the messiah?
That's how has hyped it for MANY MANY months now. People
expected it to revolutionise gaming from the get-go -- it
didn't. People are disappointed.
>Would people like to remember the amount of software the DC
>had 2 months after release? If the PS2 is such a nightmare to
work with
>what the fuck are EA, Epic, Namco, Square, Konami, Lionhead,
Shiny, Capcom
>and practically every single big software company doing
developing for the
>machine?
Correct, only BIG companies with enough $$$ to actually make it
work. Forget about small(er) companies. Graphics are nice and
all, but I - personally - am NOT waiting for Madden 2xxx,
because it's 'the same old song' again. New graphics -in this
case- do not warrant a new purchase.
>I really doubt this is the end of the PS2 - however impressive
the DC might
>have been it's doing absolutely nothing outside the USA and
Sega are not
>doing anything about this either. Is it any surprise that most
people who
>are hostile to the DC are from outside the US?
The Dreamcast is selling very good over here in Europe and games
are released for the system on a weekly basis. A steady flow of
games is very good, we've had a steady flow from the beginning.
>I still think it will be a massive success - it has the games
that appeal to
>both the hardcore and casual gamer (one of the DC's biggest
weaknesses) and
>the DVD playback is a big bonus. I haven't read or seen
anything at E3 to
>indicate otherwise - developers bitching about new hardware is
old news.
>Until they start abandoning the machine in droves and it does
not sell well
>in the west reports of its iminent demise should be taken with
a huge pinch
>of salt.
The Dreamcast has a lot of games for the 'casual gamer', Crazy
Taxi is one of them. Very easy to pick up and very hard to let
go.
>Sheesh - all this FUD is starting to get to me. Perhaps I
should get a DC
>after all...
>
>Sorry, I succumbed to a moment of insanity there - the
POWERDUDE will never
>abandon his cause - to fight trolls with deadly force and repel
the mad
>hordes of seganoids intent on swamping this ng with their crap.
>
>Never fear, Powerdude is here!
Senor Llama, ole! Instead of yapping about how bad Sega is,
perhaps you should try and play some DC games for a while. I've
played around witht he PS2 and I ain't impressed. Simple as that.
Atila
www.retrogames.com
Mark Hendren
>finally started online gaming - over 6 months after the 'play against a
>million people worldwide' ads - but the only game thus far is something that
>could be played with a pc over the net as a java game!!
Which is a lot more than what can be said for the PS2 and any online
gaming associated with it.
Mark
Nerraw
Nerraw
P.S. Would you like a free game to go with it?
"Plastik3000" <plast...@NOSPAMuswestmail.net> wrote in message
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> I like Sega Dreamcast.
>
>
Nerraw
a couple billion giving them away for free, but don't tell them that, let
them think they thought of it first, Dreamcast will sail right by them with
a wave and a smile.
Nerraw
P.S. Welcome to the DC club, another WINNER!, would you like a free game
with that?
"Ste Birmo" <steb...@casbleinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Plastik3000 <plast...@NOSPAMuswestmail.net> wrote:
> > I like Sega Dreamcast.
>
> What's this, Dreamcast's anonymous? Only kidding (duh).
> Nothing wrong with that. The DC is an excellent console with,
> in my opinion, a far better chance of succeeding than X-box has.
>
>
>
>
>
Nerraw
Nerraw
P.S. While your at it, have them take a look at you!
"Plastik3000" <plast...@NOSPAMuswestmail.net> wrote in message
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EDITED FOR CONTENT!
> F*** you fag.
>
>
Nerraw
"Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
>
> Nerraw wrote in message <1u3V4.66225$55.13...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>...
> >The only problem with this logic is who in their right minds want to wait
a
> >year for something they can have now, next year the X-Box and Dolphin
will
> >be all over the place and again it will be a whole new ball game, my
point
> >is why should I walk to work for six month's when I can drive a car
> >available now instead of waiting for one with tinted windows chrome
plated
> >fenders, and if there are cars which offer 80Klm to the litre next year
> then
> >why not just burn out this car and when the real value machines show up
> grab
> >one of them.
> >
>
> Oh i want a DC, but one and a few games will cost more than £300, which
i`d
> rather spend on a PS2. Mostly because me and my pals need some new Tekken
See that's a honest opinion, you really want the PS2 no matter which is the
most accessable, this is fair, if you want it that's fine, but honestly your
missing out on some great games on the DC, I would rather import a DC & some
great games than a PS2 and what games they have so far, if you had spent the
time with the DC I have and the PS2 which I don't have but used at my local
import shop, you would feel the same way.
> tournaments and i really want a DVD player, and standalone players cost a
Well just having a DVD player wont make your finances any better, I know
first hand, I have spent over 2 grand on DVD movies and rented a few too,
but it's become a adiction I must now lose or I will be in the poor house,
thankfully I have most of my favorite movies now and will not need too many
hundreds more.
> lot here cost a lot here so i`d rather get one for free. I have a very
low
> paying job and prefer to spend my pathetic disposable income on PS and PC
> games, beer, going out, etc. I can really only start saving for one
> console(and consistently buy games for only one new one).
> So unless the price of the DC is something that won`t take me months to
save
> up for, i decide to save my meagre cash for the PS2 and some games and
> DVD`s.
> It`s all about cash man, just because i think the PS2 is better doesn`t
mean
> i don`t ever want a DC.
>
> >Nerraw
> >
> >P.S. Just because you like in the UK, don't give us some sob story that
you
> >cannot acquire anything we can, with today's ordering capabilities and
> >shipping method's, that shouldn't be a problem.
>
> !?
> Do you think the UK is backward or something? Nearly every town has an
No I don't honestly, I only really know about what I see on Coronation
Street when my wife force feeds me on Sunday mornings, oh and James Bond of
course who is one of my idols.
> import shop, my local one is ace, but obviously the games cost more (about
> £50-£60) and apart from maybe there is no game that would give me its
> money`s worth just yet.
>
> And i`ll admit, it also has a little to do with status. Saying to my pals
> that i have just bought a DC would be met with a cocked eyebrow or two and
a
> few laughs at my expense (and they are not computer/console freaks at
all).
> But come October 29th when i phone them to say that i`ve just got a PS2
will
> be met with them all quickly pounding on my door for a go and then months
of
> joyous Tekken/NHL2001/GT2000/UnrealTourney/RR5 tournaments will commence.
> Childish maybe, but thats the number one advantage has over the DC outside
> the US, right now a game boy color would arouse more interest in the
casual
> gamers than a DC would here, yet the PS2`s interest is still gigantic and
> will only get bigger.
I would bet you dollars to donuts if you had a DC and invited your friends
over, all of you will be swapping DC games in less than a month.
Nerraw
P.S. Good luck what ever happens in your case, I sincerely hope you find
your happiness.
Ste Birmo
> Take note Nerraw; most of the people here either already own a
> Dreamcast or admit to knowing it's strengths and show an interest
> in getting one...eventually. The majority of us PS2 fans *are* open
> minded about other consoles - whereas you seem to hate Sony like
> the murdered your family or something. It would be nice if you could
> bring yourself to admit some of the PS2's advantages instead of
> constantly being a walking Sega PR unit.
Well said.
Frank Venditti
"Fishy Joe" <sd...@asfd.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Frank, is she coming onto us?
> I always get blank looks from the ladies, and that was a usenet blank look
> if ever i saw one.
>
> ;-)
>
> Rachael Hopper wrote in message <8g8rkm$1q34$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >----------
> >In article <Cq1V4.53456$nB3.2...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>, "Frank
> >Venditti" <sli...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> i love beaver too
> >>
> >> "Fishy Joe" <asf...@cc.chh> wrote in message
Nerraw
like everyone else, I have no affiliation to Sony or Sega other than I have
sold both their products and used them myself, I was asked a question and I
answered it best to my ability, my opinions are like yours or anyone else's,
just opinion which we are free to read and write, I have said what I think
and have every right to do so, what you believe my reasons are for doing so
is your belief.
So I will ask the same question but don't bother answering as I really don't
care.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!
Nerraw
P.S. Sega DC like a ROCK!
"joey" <mo...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> Who the f*** are you? The Sony-owners spokesperson? Most
> Sony/trolls/bootlickers/pratts i.e. YOU are just now looking at the DC in
> another way because your "mother" the media is starting to come around.
You,
> little man, cannot speak for your challenged mates.
> Bruce Pervin <bru...@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:RTEV4.2615$283....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> >
> > Take note Nerraw; most of the people here either already own a Dreamcast
> or
> > admit to knowing it's strengths and show an interest in getting
> > one...eventually. The majority of us PS2 fans *are* open minded about
> other
> > consoles - whereas you seem to hate Sony like the murdered your family
or
> > something. It would be nice if you could bring yourself to admit some of
> the
> > PS2's advantages instead of constantly being a walking Sega PR unit.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
>
>
Nerraw
"Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bruce Pervin <bru...@virgin.net> wrote in message...
> > Take note Nerraw; most of the people here either already own a
> > Dreamcast or admit to knowing it's strengths and show an interest
> > in getting one...eventually. The majority of us PS2 fans *are* open
> > minded about other consoles - whereas you seem to hate Sony like
> > the murdered your family or something. It would be nice if you could
> > bring yourself to admit some of the PS2's advantages instead of
> > constantly being a walking Sega PR unit.
>
>
It was said, that it was not known or there was anything swell about it
bewilders me, anyone that could not see I like the DC but was offering
information which I have previously stated I planned on getting a PS2 when
GT2K was released just was not paying attention.
So what if I boast the DC, or the PS2 or anything else, this is a Ng related
subject and I like anyone is allowed to offer any related news, opinions or
comments, that's what Ng are for.
Nerraw
P.S. Most people take this stuff way to serious to begin with anyway, we are
talking about games here, this is all like debating what's the best joke you
heard this week, it's just not that important to be taken so serious.
Klaus Mulvad Nielsen
>
> "Ste Birmo" <steb...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OCbW4.321$sE.2...@news3.cableinet.net...
> > Bruce Pervin <bru...@virgin.net> wrote in message...
> > > Take note Nerraw; most of the people here either already own a
> > > Dreamcast or admit to knowing it's strengths and show an interest
> > > in getting one...eventually. The majority of us PS2 fans *are* open
> > > minded about other consoles - whereas you seem to hate Sony like
> > > the murdered your family or something. It would be nice if you could
> > > bring yourself to admit some of the PS2's advantages instead of
> > > constantly being a walking Sega PR unit.
> >
> > Well said.
> >
The reason I'm "pushing" the DC is that Sony was using PR-capabilities to
crush Sega . It would indeed be a shame if the DC didn't get a chance
because people thought it was a dinosaur.
Ofcause the PS2 is faster when it boils down to it, but that's not the
point. The point is that Sega HAS got the best games. Anyone who denies that
is a fan in my book. I've seen a PS2 running TTT along side a DC running
Soul Calibur, and there was NO doubt that SC was the most playable as well
as the most beautiful. As for racing titles, well screenshots show that
titles such as "Tokyo Extreme Racer 2" and "Metropolis Street Racer" are
looking every bit as gourgeous as RRV and GT2000.
So there you are.... Not beeing a fan IMO, just trying to even the scales a
bit.
jes
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