ESPN NFL gets 9.3 at Gamespot
joe
"In the end, ESPN NFL Football is truly the best playing football game
available for the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The responsive controls and
gameplay mechanics are better than any other NFL football game available. "
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joe
sports games on this shit console.
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onlyme
football ever... I'm trading Madden in towards ESPN NHL Hockey. Visual
Concepts is on a roll...
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>
> "In the end, ESPN NFL Football is truly the best playing football game
> available for the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The responsive controls and
> gameplay mechanics are better than any other NFL football game
available. "
Next on "Wings." Aw, who cares?
CrazyFool
I guess because of the Progressive scan display. But how does that make it
better? The PS2 version supports 8 players instead of just 4 on the Xbox.
The PS2 version has online league support as well, plus gets the best
controller support and there is no online subscription fee.
They should have just left them even since they both have differences that
could ultimately be the determining factor.
All in all it is a great review though.
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ObiWanJoJo
j...@hotmail.com says...
>
>http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/sports/nfl2k4/
>
>"In the end, ESPN NFL Football is truly the best playing football game
>available for the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The responsive controls and
>gameplay mechanics are better than any other NFL football game available. "
I was going to sit this season out but with these great reviews it looks like
Sega has returned to the days of the Genesis with huge changes in the gameplay
department. The first paragraph of the review sold me with talk of throwing
long time fans off. This is what I have been talking about. I want to be
thrown off instead of feeling like I have already played the game.
TheWiz
horriable reviews. I am still thinking about giving it a look....just not
sure if i want to....
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/nfl2k4/index.html
Also, a 9.3 isn't really so much better than a 9.2.......
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Steven Hurdle
> Good review but I don't understand why they put the Xbox<best crap on
there.
> I guess because of the Progressive scan display. But how does that make it
> better? The PS2 version supports 8 players instead of just 4 on the Xbox.
That's an offline-only limitation, of course, as up to 8 can play online
(four each on two Xboxes) and hardly a limitation at any rate. Especially
without supporting widescreen on HDTV sets, 8 players offline strikes me as
pretty unwieldly. I could see supporting 5+ players in 16:9, but I don't
think it works well in 4:3. I think having so many players in a single game
would be interesting but you'd have to be with a group of guys who really
enjoy positional play and doing all the things required to win a football
game, such as helping execute plays when they know they'll be decoys and
never touch the ball for example. There could be a lot of bored people/hard
feelings if one or more of those 8 people went most of the game never
touching the ball. :)
> The PS2 version has online league support as well, plus gets the best
> controller support and there is no online subscription fee.
I remember NFL 2K2's control system was considered by some reviewers to
be better suited to the Xbox (given the Xbox's controller was a closer match
to the DC's which the control scheme had been originally made in mind of).
Is that no longer true with the overhaul to the game's controls, or is this
just an expression of your personal bias as regards controllers?
Skye
Madden low before it was released. Fanboy morons. But you have to blame the
site for letting people review games that aren't due out for months.
Skye
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Skye
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> "CrazyFool" <Whath...@IsThis.com> wrote
> I remember NFL 2K2's control system was considered by some reviewers to
> be better suited to the Xbox (given the Xbox's controller was a closer
match
> to the DC's which the control scheme had been originally made in mind of).
> Is that no longer true with the overhaul to the game's controls, or is
this
> just an expression of your personal bias as regards controllers?
Control-wise, I despise the S controller for ESPN. It's all but impossible
to stiff-arm defenders and still maintain the ability to spin, juke, dive
etc. Also using the white and black buttons for swim moves, DB and LB
aligments stinks. It's not a game killer though, it just would be better to
play on the DS.
Skye
TheWiz
myself on games....Reviewers and those who do play em can be biased.....I do
have Madden, and i do love, yet i won't recommend it to anyone, i tell em to
try the game and judge for themselves.
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BabyJ
all the time in the world to slag ESPN. If you use that link and look at the
actual people that scored and WROTE a review the both score it better than
GS did.
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Skye
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BrianK
"In the end, "joe" j...@hotmail.com is fastly becoming one of the biggest
trolls on Usenet. He is available for the PlayStation 2, GameCube
<-especially and Xbox Newsgroups. But for this troll he merely scores a 1.3
BrianK
have
> all the time in the world to slag ESPN. If you use that link and look at
the
> actual people that scored and WROTE a review the both score it better than
> GS did.
ESPN/2K fans definitely took the high road and did not slag Madden when it
was released though, right?
RickB
> The score is low probably because of the rabid Madden fans that seem to
> have all the time in the world to slag ESPN. If you use that link and look
> at the actual people that scored and WROTE a review the both score it
> better than GS did.
>
It seems turnabout isn't considered fairplay with the Sega-mites. When
Madden was released the user reviews were flooded with angry Sega fans that
had to wait another month for the release of ESPN. I guess we'll see which
one is better when the sales figures come out.
RickB
Robert P Holley
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> BabyJ wrote:
>
> > The score is low probably because of the rabid Madden fans that seem to
> > have all the time in the world to slag ESPN. If you use that link and
look
> > at the actual people that scored and WROTE a review the both score it
> > better than GS did.
> >
>
> It seems turnabout isn't considered fairplay with the Sega-mites.
Nor is it with Maddenettes like yourself.
> When
> Madden was released the user reviews were flooded with angry Sega fans
that
> had to wait another month for the release of ESPN. I guess we'll see which
> one is better when the sales figures come out.
Riiiiight, because we all know sales figures == quality.
cj
> Ooops, sorry Gamecubies. I forgot that SEGA is no longer making their TOP
> sports games on this shit console.
That's good to hear, considering how "brilliantly" Sega played the console
market.
ObiWanJoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
>
>Those people haven't played it. They're the same type of idiot that rated
>Madden low before it was released. Fanboy morons. But you have to blame the
>site for letting people review games that aren't due out for months.
>
>Skye
Finally facing up to what you really are Skye? Just switch Madden to NFL2K and
look in the mirror. BOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Skye
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ESPN fanboys went on incessantly about EA/MS's screw-up with importing
college players into Madden. Let's see if Sega fixes the Dolby Digital
lockups as quickly as EA took care of their issue. And we won't even talk
about promising 720p and not delivering (no truth in advertising).
Skye
Skye
"Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote in message
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It actually does. The more money EA makes, the more money they have to put
towards future development/resources. That improves the game in subsequent
years. Every time Sega (or any other company) fails like they did last year,
they layoff employees and generally degrade their game (in the case of the
NCAA game, dead completely).
EA selling through 2 million copies in 2 weeks is amazing. I hope Sega's
sales aren't a debacle like last year, because it would be a shame to lose a
series that's finally getting good (great, actually) again.
Skye
Skye
"cj" <spam...@cojones.com> wrote in message
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Nintendolts are the big losers this year not being able to play one of the
best football games ever made.
Skye
cj
If I cared about football games, maybe I'd care.
Skye
If you cared about games, you'd own more than a GC.
Troy
>
> > Riiiiight, because we all know sales figures == quality.
>
> It actually does. The more money EA makes, the more money they have to put
> towards future development/resources. That improves the game in subsequent
> years.
But of course, you're talking about how a game will improve in
the future, while the previous poster was talking about how a
game's sales don't reflect upon the quality of what is currently
available for sale. And even what you're saying isn't exactly
true, since there are so many more complex factors involved than
just the simple idea that "more money = better future products."
You should tell that to Microsoft.
> Every time Sega (or any other company) fails like they did last year,
> they layoff employees and generally degrade their game
Companies fail all the time. That doesn't necessarily mean that
any future properties they create will be "degraded." In Sega's
case, their game has in fact gotten much better, despite their
obvious past failures.
Tom Meyer
Tom
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ObiWanJoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
fanboy its not even funny. I should know I am not only a member of the Xbox
fanboy club, I'm the president.
ObiWanJoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
had. Thats some grade A steaming pile of shit.
ObiWanJoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
drinking and hopefully a hook up. If not pay some hoe to clean out your pipes.
ObiWanJoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
Skye
"Troy" <tr...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3F58CE...@nospam.com...
> Skye wrote:
> >
> > > Riiiiight, because we all know sales figures == quality.
> >
> > It actually does. The more money EA makes, the more money they have to
put
> > towards future development/resources. That improves the game in
subsequent
> > years.
>
> But of course, you're talking about how a game will improve in
> the future, while the previous poster was talking about how a
> game's sales don't reflect upon the quality of what is currently
> available for sale. And even what you're saying isn't exactly
> true, since there are so many more complex factors involved than
> just the simple idea that "more money = better future products."
> You should tell that to Microsoft.
Actually this years Madden is much more awesome than last year's because of
how well it did. High sales numbers actually are a good thing. I know Sega
fanboys don't comprehend that, but it is true.
> > Every time Sega (or any other company) fails like they did last year,
> > they layoff employees and generally degrade their game
>
> Companies fail all the time. That doesn't necessarily mean that
> any future properties they create will be "degraded." In Sega's
> case, their game has in fact gotten much better, despite their
> obvious past failures.
It got better because they absorbed a good number of developers from the now
defunct NCAA game. Why is it defunct? Because its sales were horrendous.
Rest assured, if ESPN's sales numbers are as bad as last year, it will
unfortunately be gone as well (or if we're lucky, bought up by MS or Sony).
Skye
Troy
>
> Actually this years Madden is much more awesome than last year's because of
> how well it did. High sales numbers actually are a good thing.
Yes, high sales numbers are "a good thing." Thanks for
stating the obvious, Martha. ;) But high sales numbers
didn't make Madden the awesome game it is. Sure it helped,
as every business needs money to run and hire talent, but
there are lots of other factors. And as I said before, if
high sales were all that was needed to make better
products, Microsoft would have been making increasingly
super-fantastic products from the day the company was
created.
> It got better because they absorbed a good number of developers from the now
> defunct NCAA game. Why is it defunct? Because its sales were horrendous.
> Rest assured, if ESPN's sales numbers are as bad as last year, it will
> unfortunately be gone as well (or if we're lucky, bought up by MS or Sony).
It's very difficult to compete against EA's Madden. I had
someone who wanted to start a game company ask me some
questions about it, and one of the things he said was how
he didn't want to do a football game, because he wasn't
interested in it. I said that's good, because there would
be no way he could compete against Madden. The brand is
just too strong.
Even if MS bought ESPN, it still would be a tough fight.
Money isn't the answer to all things, as MS is finding out
with the Xbox. In the long term however, anything is possible
as companies slip up, or get complacent. That's happened
repeatedly with videogames and other industries. It's
difficult to stay on top forever. I'll admit though, that
EA with their great marketing and distribution system, has
a very good chance at it. ;)
cj
since the 80s excluding the Xbox. If you cared about trolling, you'd
do a better job of it. :-P
Biyobi
games I think your trollish factor is fairly high since you are posting in a
football thread in an Xbox forum.
-Biyobi
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Charlie C
Wake up man. ESPN blows Madden away this year.......
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BrianK
"Biyobi" <biy...@home.now> wrote in message
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> Umm, considering you *don't* own an Xbox AND you *don't* care about
football
> games I think your trollish factor is fairly high since you are posting in
a
> football thread in an Xbox forum.
Definitely a football thread but it is crossposted to the GameCube forum as
well.
BrianK
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I guess I am older or just don't appreciate getting my pipes cleaned as much
as I use ta. It only does the trick for me for a couple hours than I am
back to being a dick/asshole.
Mattinglyfan
"Charlie C" <c...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Skyle you must be a Madden Fanboy.
> Wake up man. ESPN blows Madden away this year.......
Too bad he said he prefered ESPN to Madden in almost every way you idiot.
ObiWanJoJo
hog nut to smoke. He needs to feel the love.
ObiWanJoJo
says...
>
>
>"Charlie C" <c...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> Hey Skyle you must be a Madden Fanboy.
>> Wake up man. ESPN blows Madden away this year.......
>
>Too bad he said he prefered ESPN to Madden in almost every way you idiot.
>
BrianK
Maybe a couple shots of some good ole whiskey?
A couple shots usually mellows me out more so than getting the pipes
cleaned. Both at the same time work best though.... :-)
cj
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football
> games I think your trollish factor is fairly high since you are posting in
a
> football thread in an Xbox forum.
>
kicksy
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football
> games I think your trollish factor is fairly high since you are posting in
a
> football thread in an Xbox forum.
this whole thread is cross posted. Some people are lazy and don't remove the
cross posts.
Others are stupid and don't see that they are there.
Daniel Kolle
Yeah, me, too.
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>Umm, considering you *don't* own an Xbox AND you *don't* care about football
>games I think your trollish factor is fairly high since you are posting in a
>football thread in an Xbox forum.
He is in the 'Cube forum, dumbass. Do you know nothing about
crossposting?
WJM
"joe" <j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ooops, sorry Gamecubies. I forgot that SEGA is no longer making their TOP
> sports games on this shit console.
>
Don't you have homework to do?
WJM
If he could get laid, he wouldn't own more than one console.
Skye
"WJM" <wjmul...@msn.com> wrote in message
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And which console is the console of choice of guys getting laid? The one
shaped like a makeup kit with a pretty little handle? Yep, you're my bitch.
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
>
>And which console is the console of choice of guys getting laid? The one
>shaped like a makeup kit with a pretty little handle? Yep, you're my bitch.
>
Hey whatever gets you laid...........buy it. You need a bell ringing son.
cj
Skye
>
> > And which console is the console of choice of guys getting laid?
> You wouldn't know.
>
One thing blatantly obvious is that you don't.
poldy
"Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It actually does. The more money EA makes, the more money they have to put
> towards future development/resources. That improves the game in subsequent
> years. Every time Sega (or any other company) fails like they did last year,
> they layoff employees and generally degrade their game (in the case of the
> NCAA game, dead completely).
It should in theory. And no doubt Tiburon has a huge staff, which gets
richly rewarded with bonuses and stock options as Madden and NCAA sales
take off and push EA's stock price higher.
But as long as I've been buying Madden, I have to concede that Sega and
this year, even GameDay, are putting more things into their games.
For instance, both of these games have 480p support for the PS2 while
Madden doesn't. Burnout 2 came out with 480p support over a year ago?
So the libraries and tools are out there but EA's success seems to be
producing a certain inertia, as they may be reluctant to crack the
engine, which is based on their first PS2 Madden game (although I think
the gameplay experience has changed a lot in many ways and stayed the
same in other ways).
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
cj
One thing blatantly obvious is that I do but *I* don't have
to pay for it.
Skye
Pssst, look up the definition of "obvious".
cj
Skye
Loser: see cj
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
cj
cj
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thing.
Robert P Holley
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> "cj" <spam...@cojones.com> thought hard and said:
>
> >
> >"Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "cj" <spam...@cojones.com> wrote in message
> >> news:RK16b.23$KX...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> >> >
> >> > "joe" <j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:OoQ5b.69191$kH3....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> >> > > Ooops, sorry Gamecubies. I forgot that SEGA is no longer making
their
> >> TOP
> >> > > sports games on this shit console.
> >> >
> >> > That's good to hear, considering how "brilliantly" Sega played the
> >console
> >> > market.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nintendolts are the big losers this year not being able to play one of
the
> >> best football games ever made.
> >
> >If I cared about football games, maybe I'd care.
>
> Yeah, me, too.
Yet you both replied to an obvious football thread.
Robert P Holley
>
> "Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote in message
> news:bja4gt$h6ide$1...@ID-121560.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "RickB" <rber...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:tb%5b.365949$uu5.70541@sccrnsc04...
> > > BabyJ wrote:
> > >
> > > > The score is low probably because of the rabid Madden fans that seem
> to
> > > > have all the time in the world to slag ESPN. If you use that link
and
> > look
> > > > at the actual people that scored and WROTE a review the both score
it
> > > > better than GS did.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Nor is it with Maddenettes like yourself.
> >
> > > When
> > > Madden was released the user reviews were flooded with angry Sega fans
> > that
> > > had to wait another month for the release of ESPN. I guess we'll see
> which
> > > one is better when the sales figures come out.
> >
> > Riiiiight, because we all know sales figures == quality.
>
> It actually does.
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you just didn't say that sale figures
equal quality?
> The more money EA makes, the more money they have to put
> towards future development/resources. That improves the game in subsequent
> years. Every time Sega (or any other company) fails like they did last
year,
> they layoff employees and generally degrade their game (in the case of the
> NCAA game, dead completely).
Maybe that's what you like to think happens in *theory*, but in the real
world there are many other factors that come into play.
> EA selling through 2 million copies in 2 weeks is amazing. I hope Sega's
> sales aren't a debacle like last year, because it would be a shame to lose
a
> series that's finally getting good (great, actually) again.
The only place 2K3 had dismal sales last year was on the PS2. On the Xbox,
a higher percentage of owners bought 2K3 than Madden.
Skye
Sega's
> > sales aren't a debacle like last year, because it would be a shame to
lose
> a
> > series that's finally getting good (great, actually) again.
>
> The only place 2K3 had dismal sales last year was on the PS2. On the
Xbox,
> a higher percentage of owners bought 2K3 than Madden.
A higher percentage doesn't help. When you tell stock holders, "we're going
to sell one and a half million units across and all platforms and you barely
make 500,000, a "higher percentage" gets your game cancelled(Sega's NCAA
game). And yes, I will equate Madden's ever growing sales numbers with a
higher quality game. If it sucked, it would drop in sales each year, and
also receive lower scores.
Is it possible that great games don't all sell well? Yep. Is it possible
that shitty games sell well, and even grow their userbase year after year
for 10 years. Nope.
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo
carolina...@yahoo.com says...
numbers and was utter crap. Please crawl back under your moron cap Skye.
cj
Not me. I replied to Joe & Skye, Skye the big gay guy.
I don't care what they're taking about.
Their annoyance is magnetic. More so than mine even.
Robert P Holley
Yes you.
> I replied to Joe & Skye, Skye the big gay guy.
> I don't care what they're taking about.
> Their annoyance is magnetic. More so than mine even.
Don't make excuses. You claimed you don't care about football, but yet you
read (and engaged) in a thread that was obviously about football (Subject:
ESPN NFL gets 9.3 at Gamespot).
Skye
We all know how into professional football gay guys are.
john
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>
> "In the end, "joe" j...@hotmail.com is fastly becoming one of the biggest
> trolls on Usenet. He is available for the PlayStation 2, GameCube
> <-especially and Xbox Newsgroups. But for this troll he merely scores a
1.3
>
>
cj
Either employ you killfile or STFU.
cj
Robert P Holley
You're far to entertaining to put in the killfile.
sam
"sycle" <sycle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:25:08 GMT, "Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Steven Hurdle" <ya...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> >news:f7T5b.95028$la.22...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...
> >> "CrazyFool" <Whath...@IsThis.com> wrote
> >> I remember NFL 2K2's control system was considered by some reviewers
to
> >> be better suited to the Xbox (given the Xbox's controller was a closer
> >match
> >> to the DC's which the control scheme had been originally made in mind
of).
> >> Is that no longer true with the overhaul to the game's controls, or is
> >this
> >> just an expression of your personal bias as regards controllers?
> >
> >Control-wise, I despise the S controller for ESPN. It's all but
impossible
> >to stiff-arm defenders and still maintain the ability to spin, juke, dive
> >etc. Also using the white and black buttons for swim moves, DB and LB
> >aligments stinks. It's not a game killer though, it just would be better
to
> >play on the DS.
> >
> >Skye
>
> http://www.levelsix.com/products/xbox/ps-xbox_adapter.shtml
>
>
>
Skye
"sycle" <sycle...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Although I could care less about entering your killfile, this doesn't
> make much sense. I was just giving him a link to solve his problem.