ANOTHER NAIL IN THE SATURNS COFFIN!
Jackson West
Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
the future.
Jackson
Jorge Aquino
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Jackson West wrote:
> Date: Tue, 06 AUG 1996 21:58:18 -0700
> From: Jackson West <jw...@radix.net>
> Newgroups: rec.games.video.sony, alt.games.video.sony-playstation
> Subject: ANOTHER NAIL IN THE SATURNS COFFIN!
This is probably the more plausible scenario, if you want Sega to go
away, close your eyes and wish reeeeaaaally hard.
Didn't work? Damn! I guess Sega is going to have to stick around for a while.
;-) Have a nice day.
Jorge Aquino
Gregory Chong
Jackson West (jw...@radix.net) wrote:
: Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
: Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
: Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
: Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
: America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
: means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
: competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
: that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
: the future.
This issue has been dropped in this newsgroup (not to mention
this issue is old) because Segasoft only can produce their OWN games for
the PSX, and none of everyone elses. The big guns on Sega simply aren't
coming out for the PSX. Don't get excited over "3 Dirty Dwarves", because
that's the only game they've made so far (I think). Dirty Dwarves is a
game that won't improve on the PSX's software base as it is....
Bottom line: If you want to play Sega's games, you'd better get a
Saturn. As for the Sega of Japn rumor regarding ceasing production for
the Saturn, don't count on it for a long time.
-Greg
Scott Fitzpatrick
Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> transmitted this semi-random stream of
electrons:
> Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
> Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
> Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
> America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
> means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
> competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
> that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
> the future.
Jackson,
This is very old news. Try going to deja news and do a search on
segasoft. Thanks for the update though.
Later,
Scott Fitzpatrick
>Remember the Alamo....Remember the 3DO!!!
>The 3DO games are like the kids you have left after your
>divorce. You love 'em, but you know that you'll never add
>to them.
Zeke Duarte
Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> wrote:
>Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>the future.
>Jackson
OK and your point is............
So far I've seen "Three Dirty Dwarves" from SegaSoft and if that's the
best they can do then Sega can keep them. This in no way makes me feel
good. Now if Sega themselves make some games available to the PSX I'll
be jumping for joy. But I still won't by a Saturn.
Gregory Chong
Zeke Duarte (anth...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: So far I've seen "Three Dirty Dwarves" from SegaSoft and if that's the
: best they can do then Sega can keep them. This in no way makes me feel
: good. Now if Sega themselves make some games available to the PSX I'll
: be jumping for joy. But I still won't by a Saturn.
Your loss.
-Greg
David Gilliland
It's hard to believe that Intelligent Gamer wrote something so stupid. This
might be evidence if Segasoft was porting Sega's hit games over, but they're
not. They're making their own games for all systems and publishing games by
smaller companies. That's it.
Dave
Kenichiro Tanaka
In article <4uamj8$3...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, m...@ix.netcom.com(Mark
Tseytlin) wrote:
>[...]
>
> THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
> 3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
A person who _likes_ X-Men would play it. Just like someone who like
Tekken 2 would play that. It's a pretty simple concept.
I noticed you posted a message about Worms in r.g.v.sony. You realize, of
course, that this is a 2d game right?
| Kenichiro Tanaka -- tan...@maya.com |
| http://www.maya.com/Local/tanaka/ |
Mark Tseytlin
In <4uae10$g...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> ru...@ix.netcom.com (Brant
Rusch ) writes:
>
>>This is probably the more plausible scenario, if you want Sega to go
>>away, close your eyes and wish reeeeaaaally hard.
>>
>>Didn't work? Damn! I guess Sega is going to have to stick around for
a while.
>
is taken to
>do a good job programming......and an excellent 2D engine that
surpasses the PSX's
>ability.
>
>Sony's notion that "2D games were a thing of the past" was clearly an
undersight
>on their part, and now they're going to suffer because of it. Granted
Playstation
>did a good port of SFA and Darkstalkers was well done, its clear that
these games
>are taxing the system to a certain degree. More complex 2 dimensional
games appear
>to be beyond the reach of hte playstation, as the endless delays of
X-Men (and
>possibly the cancellation of Marvel Super Hero's) can attest to.
>
>Still, X-Men hasn't been cancelled....so perhaps we will all be fooled
in a few
>months with a very good translation. All things being equal, even the
Saturn
>version of X-Men can't be called a Perfect Port.
THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
MISHA
Brant Rusch
>This is probably the more plausible scenario, if you want Sega to go
>away, close your eyes and wish reeeeaaaally hard.
>
>Didn't work? Damn! I guess Sega is going to have to stick around for a while.
Sega has a fine magazine that handles 3D reasonably well when the time is taken to
do a good job programming......and an excellent 2D engine that surpasses the PSX's
ability.
Sony's notion that "2D games were a thing of the past" was clearly an undersight
on their part, and now they're going to suffer because of it. Granted Playstation
did a good port of SFA and Darkstalkers was well done, its clear that these games
are taxing the system to a certain degree. More complex 2 dimensional games appear
to be beyond the reach of hte playstation, as the endless delays of X-Men (and
possibly the cancellation of Marvel Super Hero's) can attest to.
Still, X-Men hasn't been cancelled....so perhaps we will all be fooled in a few
months with a very good translation. All things being equal, even the Saturn
version of X-Men can't be called a Perfect Port.
Brant
Sega has always published games...the PC market is HUGE and its about time they
started to explore it. I expect to see a Virtua Fighter on the Playstation
someday, but not anytime soon.
Dennis L
Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> wrote:
>Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>the future.
>
>Jackson
this information was announed 4 months ago... Where have you been?
Where does the intelligence of this mag you read come from?
Douglas Limmer
tan...@maya.com (Kenichiro Tanaka) wrote:
>In article <4uamj8$3...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, m...@ix.netcom.com(Mark
>Tseytlin) wrote:
>> THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
>> 3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
>A person who _likes_ X-Men would play it. Just like someone who like
>Tekken 2 would play that. It's a pretty simple concept.
My brother prefers 2D games to the "realistic" 3D games. He thinks
they are _too_ real; it doesn't feel like a game to him. (He
especially feels this way about _Ridge Racer_.) Also, he feels the
gameplay on the 3D games (in general) isn't up to the level that the
good 2D games had.
Myself, I just play 'em if I like 'em, and not worry too much about
analysis. :-)
Douglas Limmer -- lim...@math.orst.edu
Saru Ninja
lim...@math.orst.edu (Douglas Limmer) wrote:
>Douglas Limmer -- lim...@math.orst.edu
It's not wheather a game is 3d or not...it is about how fun it is.
I hate Tekken...I'd rather play Street Fighter Alpha 2 over it any
day.
Saru Ninja
Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> wrote:
>Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>the future.
>Jackson
Yea....lets see if PS gets Virtual Fighter 3...ahahahhaah
It won't be over until that hapense.
Roger Williams
Mark Tseytlin (m...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
: THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
: 3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
YOU SUCK!! Who would read your crap when they could read something
posted by someone with half a brain. Intelligent postings are the future,
your crap is the past, get with it!!
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and by the way the playstation can't touch these 3D saturn titles, virtua
fighter 2, sega rally, decatholete, gun griffin, virtua cop, and
nights(being compared to mario 64, something the playstaion can't do)...
just my 2 cents
antman
Nakedlunch
Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> wrote:
>Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>the future.
>Jackson
This is commonplace in buisness. This in no way hurts the saturn. Hell
Sony made parts for the N64, does that mean that the psx is going to
die????? NO.
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S. Ives
gch...@umich.edu (Gregory Chong) scrawled:
>Jackson West (jw...@radix.net) wrote:
>: Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
>: Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>: Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>: Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>: America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>: means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>: competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>: that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>: the future.
them VF, VC, Daytona, or any other Saturn exclusive that Sega
develops.
> This issue has been dropped in this newsgroup (not to mention
>this issue is old) because Segasoft only can produce their OWN games for
>the PSX, and none of everyone elses. The big guns on Sega simply aren't
>coming out for the PSX. Don't get excited over "3 Dirty Dwarves", because
>that's the only game they've made so far (I think). Dirty Dwarves is a
>game that won't improve on the PSX's software base as it is....
> Bottom line: If you want to play Sega's games, you'd better get a
>Saturn. As for the Sega of Japn rumor regarding ceasing production for
>the Saturn, don't count on it for a long time.
buy! Thank God that's highly unlikely though.
> -Greg
Matt Costanza
>In article <320822...@radix.net>, Jackson West <jw...@radix.net> wrote:
>>Recently stated in the August issue of Intellegent Gamer:
>> Segasoft(software company that was created by Sega of America and
>>Sega of Japan) will be producing games for all platforms, including Sony
>>Playstation.Segasoft is primarily owned by the US company Sega of
>>America.Sega of Japan can in no way stop this latest development, which
>>means that Segasoft will be producing games for their primary
>>competition.This can only help the Playstation, and may be final evidence
>>that Sega of Japan will cease to produce the Saturn platform sometime in
>>the future.
>>
You must keep in mind that Sega, Sony and Nintendo are not making any money
selling hardware. You don't become rich making the hardware. You rake in
the money by selling the software. It is a very smart move for Sega to
take advantage of this by porting some of their best games to the PC market.
Regards,
--
Matt Costanza
Motorola Inc - Information Systems
Network Analyst - Site Networks and Computing
Ma...@Moaner.Sps.Mot.Com 512.891.6110
Yuji Higaki
Matt Costanza (ma...@moaner.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: You must keep in mind that Sega, Sony and Nintendo are not making any money
: selling hardware. You don't become rich making the hardware. You rake in
: the money by selling the software. It is a very smart move for Sega to
: take advantage of this by porting some of their best games to the PC market.
I agree with you that the profit margin on software is much higher than it is
on hardware. What I don't understand is why Sega, Sony and Nintendo don't
port their games over to other platforms. If they are making their money on
the sale of software, wouldn't Sega profit from selling VF2 on the Playstation
and Sony profit from selling NFL Gameday on the Saturn?
-Yuji
Captain Ecchi
>Sony's notion that "2D games were a thing of the past" was clearly an undersight
>on their part, and now they're going to suffer because of it.
Sony is just a few years ahead of their time, 2d will die. but that's just my
opinion. ;}
Captain Ecchi
In article <4ubogt$g...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> SaruTaro@SaruTaro (Saru Ninja) writes:
>lim...@math.orst.edu (Douglas Limmer) wrote:
>>tan...@maya.com (Kenichiro Tanaka) wrote:
>>>In article <4uamj8$3...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, m...@ix.netcom.com(Mark
>>>Tseytlin) wrote:
>>>> THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
>>>> 3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
>>>A person who _likes_ X-Men would play it. Just like someone who like
>>>Tekken 2 would play that. It's a pretty simple concept.
>>My brother prefers 2D games to the "realistic" 3D games. He thinks
>>they are _too_ real; it doesn't feel like a game to him. (He
>>especially feels this way about _Ridge Racer_.) Also, he feels the
>>gameplay on the 3D games (in general) isn't up to the level that the
>>good 2D games had.
I guess 2d games have better gameplay cause they've been around for about
twice as long as 3D games.(sarcasim)(sp?)
The earliest 3D game I can remember would be Mechwarrior sometime around 1990?
>>Myself, I just play 'em if I like 'em, and not worry too much about
>>analysis. :-)
>>Douglas Limmer -- lim...@math.orst.edu
>It's not wheather a game is 3d or not...it is about how fun it is.
>I hate Tekken...I'd rather play Street Fighter Alpha 2 over it any
>day.
I'd rather play any street fighter than have sex ;} , but you have to admit
that 3D is the future. Hell ever Capcom is now making 3D polygon
fighters.(they say no Street Fighter 3D until they get it done right)
Helper Goddess Office
Hi
I just want you Square fans to know that I just read the latest issue of
Japanese magazine and it says Squares will release other new games
sometimes this year or next year.
1. SaGa Frontier - I guess you can say this one is series No. 4 for SaGa
series. SaGa series is very popular when it was on SuperFamicom, and now
Square will release a brand new SaGa series on Playstation !!
2. Bushido Blade - Great looking fighting game look like Samurai
Showdown and Tekken put together. Should be good !!
3. Final Fantasy Tactics - Final Fantasy version of S-RPG. Enough says.
--
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>In article <4ubogt$g...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> SaruTaro@SaruTaro (Saru Ninja) writes:
>
>
>>lim...@math.orst.edu (Douglas Limmer) wrote:
>
>>>tan...@maya.com (Kenichiro Tanaka) wrote:
>>>>In article <4uamj8$3...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, m...@ix.netcom.com(Mark
>>>>Tseytlin) wrote:
>
>>>>> THOSE GAMES SUCK!! Who would play X-men when you can play Tekken 2.
>>>>> 3d is the future 2D is the past, get with it!!
>
>>>>A person who _likes_ X-Men would play it. Just like someone who like
>>>>Tekken 2 would play that. It's a pretty simple concept.
>
>>>My brother prefers 2D games to the "realistic" 3D games. He thinks
>>>they are _too_ real; it doesn't feel like a game to him. (He
>>>especially feels this way about _Ridge Racer_.) Also, he feels the
>>>gameplay on the 3D games (in general) isn't up to the level that the
>>>good 2D games had.
>
>I guess 2d games have better gameplay cause they've been around for about
>twice as long as 3D games.(sarcasim)(sp?)
>The earliest 3D game I can remember would be Mechwarrior sometime around 1990?
Hmm...depends on what you consider "3D"...the technology 3D uses,
vector technology (points and polygons) has been around just as long
as raster video: i.e. Asteroids, Tempest, etc. Flat shaded polys
appeared in the late 80's in some mainstream games. It is now just
getting to the point where texture mapped, rendered, shaded,
etc...etc... 3d games are getting to be a more viable source of play.
But at the same time 2D has also matured. The animation is getting
better, and what you can do with it is getting less limited.
>>>Myself, I just play 'em if I like 'em, and not worry too much about
>>>analysis. :-)
>
>>>Douglas Limmer -- lim...@math.orst.edu
>
>>It's not wheather a game is 3d or not...it is about how fun it is.
>>I hate Tekken...I'd rather play Street Fighter Alpha 2 over it any
>>day.
>
>I'd rather play any street fighter than have sex ;} , but you have to admit
>that 3D is the future. Hell ever Capcom is now making 3D polygon
>fighters.(they say no Street Fighter 3D until they get it done right)
Indeed Capcom is making 3D games. They're branching out. But are
they giving up on 2D? No way.
>
Ched Chorture.
"I'm pretty #$*=!@' FAR from Okay..."
Steven K. Yau
While it is wonderful to hear that Square will be supporting the PSX
heavily with great games, I can't help but wonder what the US market
will be like. I know the Super Famicom got so many great rpgs and such
that most of them were never translated here. I hope Square USA will
lighten up and start translating them for the US market.
The thing that concerns me even more is that now that these games are
on CD's, there are PROBABLY even MORE text to be translated. And,
Square has a history of being lazy and only translating sure-fire
winners for us US gamers. Sigh....
And, Square does not allow other 3rd parties to translate them, because
I would love to see Working designs do some of them (and probably
better too! :)
Steve
terrell gibbs
In article <johnston.3...@computan.on.ca>, john...@computan.on.ca
(Captain Ecchi) wrote:
:Sony is just a few years ahead of their time, 2d will die. but that's just my
:opinion. ;}
I'll bet that is what the first sculptors said, thousands of years ago:
"Two dimensional painting is obsolete, and will die in just a few years."
Matt Costanza
They are called "Seed games" They are usually some of the best titles for
that specific system. So the logic is if you want that certain game, you
have to buy that system.
Captain Ecchi
In article <tgibbs-1208...@128.197.252.149> tgi...@bu.edu (terrell gibbs) writes:
>From: tgi...@bu.edu (terrell gibbs)
>Newsgroups: rec.games.video.sony,alt.games.video.sony-playstation
>Subject: Re: ANOTHER NAIL IN THE SATURNS COFFIN!
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