X-BoX : Truly the next console to get.
V-DoGG
better. Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!! There's also
still a chance that Sega may even end up making the X-Box for
Microsoft, highly unlikely but we can hope. These are the reasons why
the X-Box will be the Playstation2 killer and will rule in the U.S.
Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
getting one.
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"V-DoGG" <vin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Steve M
much new technology. NVidia graphics chipset that doesn't exist yet. Unified
memory architecture tied to an Intel CPU that wasn't designed for UMA. A
modified Win2K core that is yet to be developed, that supports all the new
hardware. It's POSSIBLE that Microsoft can get the box out when they say,
but I think that a first half of 2002 launch is much more likely -- that's
18 months after PS2's launch, and a year after Dolphin's -- plenty of time
for both consoles to get a very strong foothold on the market.
"Tempest" <tem...@guidestone.com> wrote in message
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Vern Young Jr.
"V-DoGG" <vin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
> better. Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
> we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!! There's also
> still a chance that Sega may even end up making the X-Box for
> Microsoft, highly unlikely but we can hope. These are the reasons why
> the X-Box will be the Playstation2 killer and will rule in the U.S.
> Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
> the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
> getting one.
>
I also agree, if I can afford one, I'll get an X-Box,no way will I get a
PSX2. BTW: If Microsoft didn't think they could get the X-Box out on
time,they wouldn't have sent Development Kits out to every third part
developer on the planet (and then some that aren't). Microsoft is giving
the developers a year to get to work,and this time next year we'll be
loking on in total amazement, just as we did when the DC came out.What you
have to realize is that Bill Gates,can and will get it done,money is
power,he is has a lot of POWER!!
Jaye
the time of release, and great games.
I was really keen on getting a psx2 but i honestly now believe my money has
been better spent hanging onto my dreamcast and waiting the xbox.
"Tempest" <tem...@guidestone.com> wrote in message
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> I have to agree. The X-Box is definately a PS2 killer (at least in the US)
>
> --
>
> -Mike Evans
> (Tempest)
> ICQ: 4758317
>
> http://depths.guidestone.com
> Depths of Homeworld
>
> I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War
> IV will be fought with sticks and stones -Albert Einstein
>
>
> "V-DoGG" <vin...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8ald75$l05$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
> > better. Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
> > we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!! There's also
> > still a chance that Sega may even end up making the X-Box for
> > Microsoft, highly unlikely but we can hope. These are the reasons why
> > the X-Box will be the Playstation2 killer and will rule in the U.S.
> > Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
> > the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
> > getting one.
> >
> >
Shidoshi Naga
wrote:
> Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
> better.
Funny, because I know quite a number of instances where the US versions
of a Japanese game were the better of the two.
> Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
> we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!!
Some of us LIKE subtitles and LIKE Japanese voices. The game could be in
Pig Latin for all that I care, if the voice acting is better than it
would be in English, just slap some subtitles on it. Even if you can't
understand what is being said, you can still tell if the acting is
better or not.
> Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
> the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
> getting one.
So then, by your opinion, the Dreamcast isn't worth crap, because it is
even lower than the PS2, right?
The X-box sounds interesting. However, American systems have a habbit of
having a very high ratio of American games, and to be honest, I can
count on both hands the number of worthwhile American titles (for me, of
course). If the X-box gets support from Japanese companies (REAL
support), cool, I might be interested. But for right now, all the X-box
is is a list of pretty numbers. When I see a Resident Evil or a Silent
Hill or a Final Fantasy or a Dragon Quest or a Dead or Alive or a Street
Fighter or a King of Fighters or a Last Blade or other such games, THEN
me and Bill can talk about him getting some of my money.
^_^ shidoshi
Anime Editor, GameFan Magazine
http://relief-goddess.org
drv1
first, which I dont know why Mr. Gates would do that to us faithful US
microsoft owners. But if they do it will surely kill psx2 in the US.
V-DoGG wrote:
> Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
> better. Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
> we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!! There's also
> still a chance that Sega may even end up making the X-Box for
> Microsoft, highly unlikely but we can hope. These are the reasons why
> the X-Box will be the Playstation2 killer and will rule in the U.S.
> Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
> the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
> getting one.
>
Forza Juve
chrissy & philip
> Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
better.
True, but of more importance is that finally the u.s. market will get a new
console when it's first released and _finally_ many more u.s
developers(escpecially pc gaming developers) will support a console moreso
then ever.
Don't misunderstand me, there are some superb Japanese
games(ie..Shenmue-d.c, is a brilliant piece of work..a masterpiece), but
personally i'm tired of all the anime rpg's,fighters, and Japanesse culture
type games of the Sega's/Sony's/and Nintendo's.
However..why would anyone _not_ want to have all three(or four, with the
Dolphin) consoles by fall 2001?
All four consoles will run you probably a total of $800(far less then a a
high end pc and less then a mid range pc), and i'm sure just about anyone
can afford them all, and instead of bashing another console(s)...you can
enjoy the best games for all consoles.
Thanks for reading,
Phil
Geoff Leask
<pott...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>However..why would anyone _not_ want to have all three(or four, with the
>Dolphin) consoles by fall 2001?
>All four consoles will run you probably a total of $800(far less then a a
>high end pc and less then a mid range pc), and i'm sure just about anyone
>can afford them all, and instead of bashing another console(s)...you can
>enjoy the best games for all consoles.
That's a lot of money. Personally, the idea of owning more than one
console doesn't appeal to me at all. I don't know how many more of
"my type" are around, but I keep the PC for strategy, rpg's, and fps's
and I use the console for fighting, driving, action/platform games. I
want to have a console that offers high quality games of those types.
mneko
Box. I mean, really, how clueless can you possibly be?
Regurgitating the same old, lame old x86 processor Intel's been
milking for decades into a cool black case does NOT instantly
turn it into a game system. If you already have a P500 on your
desktop, why the hell would you buy one to hook up to your
television set? It's just redundant, and stupid.
JR
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philip <pott...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
> better.
>
> True, but of more importance is that finally the u.s. market will get a new
> console when it's first released and _finally_ many more u.s
> developers(escpecially pc gaming developers) will support a console moreso
> then ever.
That hasn't really been a big selling point for a console so far.
> Don't misunderstand me, there are some superb Japanese
> games(ie..Shenmue-d.c, is a brilliant piece of work..a masterpiece), but
> personally i'm tired of all the anime rpg's,fighters, and Japanesse culture
> type games of the Sega's/Sony's/and Nintendo's.
>
> However..why would anyone _not_ want to have all three(or four, with the
> Dolphin) consoles by fall 2001?
I can see a good reason not to but all four personally.
> All four consoles will run you probably a total of $800(far less then a a
> high end pc and less then a mid range pc),
Supporting four consoles means buying more than a few games for each
OTOH. I'd rather have games I want to play more than extra consoles.
(Especially since the Xbox is a definate wait and see, and the Dolphin
will have to crank out titles I want to own before I plunk down my
money as well.)
and i'm sure just about anyone
> can afford them all, and instead of bashing another console(s)...you can
> enjoy the best games for all consoles.
I'd most likely be enjoying the consoles sans games for more than a few
months afterwards if I did that. ;)
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Phil
Tempest
that they have not already thought about what you just said, and I bet they
already solved those problems. You forget that Microsoft, Intel, and Nvidia
don't screw up. They're the biggest Software/CPU/Video makers in the world,
and all three of their reputations are ridding on the success of this
machine. I'm sure they're far past design glitch elimination.
--
-Mike Evans
(Tempest)
ICQ: 4758317
http://depths.guidestone.com
Depths of Homeworld
I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War
IV will be fought with sticks and stones -Albert Einstein
"mneko" <mnekoN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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NINTENDO-SEGA-SONY
Seeing as Enix, Capcom, Midway, Acclaim, EA,
Konami etc. are signed on with Square showing interest (for what it's
worth) the games should be there.
I am very excited about this coming generation of game consoles. I
just wish they would stop making those damn Tomb Raider games :-)
NP - Soul Calibur on Dreamcast
NLT - Metallica "Kill Em All"
-AMG-
NES-SNES-Saturn-Playstation-Dreamcast
N64__Mortal Kombat_Tekken_Soul Calibur
Final Fantasy_Doom_Quake_Turok_
CastleVania_Metroid_GT_Ridge Racer_
Need For Speed_Mario_Zelda....the list goes on
Geoff Leask
(NINTENDO-SEGA-SONY) wrote:
> If the games are there, I will own a X-box.
>Seeing as Enix, Capcom, Midway, Acclaim, EA,
>Konami etc. are signed on with Square showing interest (for what it's
>worth) the games should be there.
> I am very excited about this coming generation of game consoles. I
>just wish they would stop making those damn Tomb Raider games :-)
I'd like to see EIDOS get hurt in a big way simply because they've
been such a bunch of shitheads about the Tomb Raider series. The
first one was good. Some dweeb got a boner while playing it. EIDOS
decides to exploit the boner factor for all it's worth and punches out
a couple of inferior sequels with larger, rounder breasts. The fourth
one is allegedly okay, but still it's got a 16 year old Lara with tits
that are bigger than when she gets older. I guess she got a breast
reduction somewhere between TR4 and TR1, and then decided to get them
augmented between TR1 and TR2. After TR2, apparently Lara began
reminiscing about those 16 year old D-cup days and went back to have
the C-cup implants replaced with D-cups just in time for TR3. It's
sick, man.
I'll pass on the X-box, though, thank you. It's going to be released
allegedly only 2 years after the Dreamcast came out? I think the
Dreamcast will do for longer than a measley 2 years.
V-DoGG
In article <38d0851c...@news.mindspring.com>,
mneko
That is a quite ignorant post.
Well, good morning to you, too! The only ignorance out there is
by people who are actually considering buying an X-Box, when
they've got a Pentium 600 already on their desktop. I can't
imagine a single advantage the X-Box has over Intel powered
computers... in fact, PCs have the distinct advantage of having
versatility and a much, much larger software library.
First of all, it would be stupid to think that they have not
already thought about what you just said, and I bet they already
solved those problems. You forget that Microsoft, Intel, and
Nvidia don't screw up.
Oh, really? The last time Bill Gates threw his hat into the
video game race (the MSX, basically a ColecoVision with a
keyboard), there wasn't enough left of it to put in his pocket,
much less back on his head. And let's not forget the dumbed
down operating system Bob... you can count the number of people
who still use it on one hand. The only reason Microsoft has a
reputation for "not screwing up" is because they're quick to
sweep all their mistakes under the rug.
They're the biggest Software/CPU/Video makers in the world...
of COMPUTERS! They don't know a damned thing about the video
game market! It's a testament to Bill Gates' arrogance that he
thinks he can just dump a P600 into a black case and think he
can dominate the video game industry. Not bloody likely, as
long as Americans refuse to abandon the idiotic notion that
video games are children's playthings.
and all three of their reputations are riding on the success of
this machine.
It's arrogance on a scale of Steve Forbes running for the
president every four years. He knows he can't win... he just
thinks he's better than everyone else and has to prove it with a
flashy, expensive, mud-slinging campaign.
I'm sure they're far past design glitch elimination.
Hoo hoo! That's rich! I suppose that's why every Microsoft
product under the sun first ships with bugs. If they do this
with their video games, they are beyond screwed.
mneko
posts...
Anyways...
juiblex
<mnekoN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>Well, good morning to you, too! The only ignorance out there is
>by people who are actually considering buying an X-Box, when
>they've got a Pentium 600 already on their desktop. I can't
>imagine a single advantage the X-Box has over Intel powered
>computers... in fact, PCs have the distinct advantage of having
>versatility and a much, much larger software library.
The same advantages "traditional" consoles do: a stable platform
(i.e., no third-party graphics cards and other upgrades coming out
every two weeks), no installation required for the games, an
operating system that is as minimal as possible (uses as little
overhead as possible) and geared solely toward gaming, and a slew of
console developers (Namco, Capcom, etc) who don't typically develop
for PCs, but have expressed support for X-Box.
Plus it will have what is often, for me, the biggest advantage of a
console--you can play it while reclining on the sofa in front of a big
TV.
What else does it take to be a "true" console? Is the only
qualification that the chip inside the case doesn't say "intel" on it?
Assuming (and that's a big assumption) that they actually do what they
say they're going to do with it, it sounds like X-Box will have none
of the disadvantages associated with computer gaming, and all of the
advantages associated with console gaming.
>"They're the biggest Software/CPU/Video makers in the world... "
>
>of COMPUTERS! They don't know a damned thing about the video
>game market! It's a testament to Bill Gates' arrogance that he
>thinks he can just dump a P600 into a black case and think he
>can dominate the video game industry. Not bloody likely, as long
>as Americans refuse to abandon the idiotic notion that video
>games are children's playthings.
Sony didn't know anything either. Microsoft is certainly in no worse
a position that Sony was when they entered the console market, and I'd
say in a much stronger one, what with the money and muscle they have
to put behind it.
Scyre
games as Windows 2000 Server Edition, and Word 98, all on my X-
Box!!
Asmoday
1. I have a PC that can do that now, why buy an extra machine that uses a
poor quality TV monitor.
2. Lets see here. It comes with modem, HD, and will have special PC titles
ported over from what I hear. If it has a modem and a HD you can expect PC
quality software. What do I mean? This: how many games hit the shelves and
when you bring them home they don't work. I have had to wait up to a week to
play my brand new games because they needed a patch before they went out the
damn door. For that matter I have games that have NEVER EVER worked right
for months and years. I know that a lot of this is driver compatibility and
the X-Box will have generic drivers so that will illeviate some of the
problem, but a bit of the trouble in PC gaming now is LAZINESS of
developers. Some games come with tragic flaws like HD deleting and others.
This is pathetic and will plague the X-Box as well I am sure.
mneko wrote in message <0be4271c...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com>...
>Tempest said:
>
>That is a quite ignorant post.
>
>by people who are actually considering buying an X-Box, when
>they've got a Pentium 600 already on their desktop. I can't
>imagine a single advantage the X-Box has over Intel powered
>computers... in fact, PCs have the distinct advantage of having
>versatility and a much, much larger software library.
>
>already thought about what you just said, and I bet they already
>solved those problems. You forget that Microsoft, Intel, and
>Nvidia don't screw up.
>
>Oh, really? The last time Bill Gates threw his hat into the
>video game race (the MSX, basically a ColecoVision with a
>keyboard), there wasn't enough left of it to put in his pocket,
>much less back on his head. And let's not forget the dumbed
>down operating system Bob... you can count the number of people
>who still use it on one hand. The only reason Microsoft has a
>reputation for "not screwing up" is because they're quick to
>sweep all their mistakes under the rug.
>
>
>of COMPUTERS! They don't know a damned thing about the video
>game market! It's a testament to Bill Gates' arrogance that he
>thinks he can just dump a P600 into a black case and think he
>can dominate the video game industry. Not bloody likely, as
>long as Americans refuse to abandon the idiotic notion that
>video games are children's playthings.
>
>this machine.
>
>It's arrogance on a scale of Steve Forbes running for the
>president every four years. He knows he can't win... he just
>thinks he's better than everyone else and has to prove it with a
>flashy, expensive, mud-slinging campaign.
>
>I'm sure they're far past design glitch elimination.
>
>Hoo hoo! That's rich! I suppose that's why every Microsoft
>product under the sun first ships with bugs. If they do this
>with their video games, they are beyond screwed.
>
>JR
>
Ben Dover
Ante pni3ou bre paliomalaka me to X-Box sou.
Zhtw to DC!!!
>Finally a console where they won't make the Japanese version of a game
>better. Finally a console where all the games will be in English and
>we won't have to worry about stupid friggin subtitles!!! There's also
>still a chance that Sega may even end up making the X-Box for
>Microsoft, highly unlikely but we can hope. These are the reasons why
>the X-Box will be the Playstation2 killer and will rule in the U.S.
>Come on take a look at those specs compare them against the dolphin or
>the PS2, not even close. X-Box will dominate in 2001. I know I'm
>getting one.
>
>
Harry
earth. Crushing the PS2 power, 5 x in some area's. It is not about an x86
based processor or not. x86 based processors are an advantage because
programmers can use tools that are here for years (and thus mature). DirectX
can be used and developers can use the knowledge they already have and be in
developers heaven. Trust me, 64 Mb. unified memory and a beast of a GPU is a
developers heaven. This is exactly what is wrong with PS2. The 4 Mb.
graphical memory limit is a very bad thing of PS. That and the steep
learning curve of how to program games for the system.
Besides, the x86 CPU 600 Mhz (or higher) is more than powerfull enough. In
most videogames (if not all) it is the GPU (not the CPU) doing most of the
work. This is very well illustrated in the X-Box ping-pong ball demo and all
other X-box demo's.
"mneko" <mnekoN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> I can't believe people are actually thinking about buying an X-
> Box. I mean, really, how clueless can you possibly be?
> Regurgitating the same old, lame old x86 processor Intel's been
> milking for decades into a cool black case does NOT instantly
> turn it into a game system. If you already have a P500 on your
> desktop, why the hell would you buy one to hook up to your
> television set? It's just redundant, and stupid.
>
Harry
X-Box games will run directly from DVD and save you the trouble of
installing first (advantage 1)
X-Box games come with their own version of DirectX (no compatibility
problems)
X-Box will be true plug and play. No 5 minute restart just because your son
want to use the steering wheel instead of the gamepad...
X-Box hw will be absolutely state of the art. The GPU will be 3 generations
further than anything yet on the market pushing up to 300 million polys
(!!!), just to compare PS2 maxes out at 66 million, a current high end PC at
around 10 million...
The mindblowing 6.4 Gb/s memory bandwidth will be (much) higher than
anything currently possible with PC's . That is because the mainboard, the
CPU and GPU will be newly designed for X-box. True, it is based on PC
technology but only based on. Intel will design a new chip heavily based on
their existing PIII architecture but extended to support the high speed
bandwidths and gaming specific tasks. NVidia will make a custom chip (which
will be exclusive to X-box), a yet to be named vendor (probably Intel) will
make the mainboard which will support state of the art hardware and
technologies because it does not have to be backwards compatibel with
existing PC architecture.
Microsoft's decission to use an x86 (intel) architecture is brilliant
because it enables the use of DirectX and familiar tools and programming
languages (C++). Developers do not need to learn new technologies or
programming methods.
Just imagine this: 300 million Polys/sec, 150(!) million polys with all
effect on (this is absolutely unbelieveable), 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwith
(twice PS2), 4,8 Gb/s texture fills (=mindblowing), full screen anti
aliassing!!! (not on PS2 or on any PC). Just because X-Box does not need to
worry about being backward compatibel give it a HUGE advantage over PC's.
Sure, you can get a videocard over time that is more powerfull than X-Box's,
sure you will have more RAM, sure your CPU is more powerfull but the total
package of X-Box is way beyond anything that exists today. I honestly think
that given the PC's handicap of needing to be backwards compatibel (x86
architecture, interrupts, no unified memory architecture, slow memory
bandwidths (AGP,AGP2) etc.) the PC's will be up to par with X-Box in
appox.three years. By then, X-Box will have a fair market share.
Just buy it. It is great groundbreaking technology and Bill Gates pays for
every X-Box you buy (because they can NEVER ship it for $300 or less without
losing money)...
"mneko" <mnekoN...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Harry
1: no, you do not have a PC now that can push 300 million polys, address 64
Mb of video memory because of unified memory architecture, can do 4
simultaneous textures using a 6.4 GB/sec memory bandwidth while playing 64
channel sound. No, you're PC probably pushes a lousy 10 million polys max.,
has 32 Mb. of video memory max., can do 1 simulateneous polygon and does not
play 64 channel sound for some years to come. And then I assume you have a
high end, state of the art PC.
2. Microsoft has stated that they will do quality control for games and do
not allow the harddisk being used for patching. If a game is not 100% ready
it will not ship on X-Box. The HD can be used for cool things like virtual
memory (extending the 64 Mb.) which is impossible on any existing console,
it can be used to store textures temporarily, it can be used to store cut
scenes temporarily. You can also use it to download previews and play them
before you buy.
"Asmoday" <Zat...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8atng7$hf5$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> Here are my 2 biggest complaints about the shit box:
> 1. I have a PC that can do that now, why buy an extra machine that uses a
> poor quality TV monitor.
> 2. Lets see here. It comes with modem, HD, and will have special PC titles
> ported over from what I hear. If it has a modem and a HD you can expect PC
> quality software. What do I mean? This: how many games hit the shelves and
> when you bring them home they don't work. I have had to wait up to a week
to
> play my brand new games because they needed a patch before they went out
the
> damn door. For that matter I have games that have NEVER EVER worked right
> for months and years. I know that a lot of this is driver compatibility
and
> the X-Box will have generic drivers so that will illeviate some of the
> problem, but a bit of the trouble in PC gaming now is LAZINESS of
> developers. Some games come with tragic flaws like HD deleting and others.
> This is pathetic and will plague the X-Box as well I am sure.
> mneko wrote in message <0be4271c...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com>...
S.DiIorio
the upcoming Nvidia chip is in it,, look at it being more then 500.00
Coach [Wewp!]
distinct possibility that it will be even less than that. By the time it is
released component prices will be significantly cheaper. Also, MS will
definitely be willing to take a loss on the hardware.
Matt Chamberlain
mchamb...@wewp.com
Wewp! Sports
www.wewp.com/sports
Wewp! Dreamcast
www.wewp.com/dc
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Kirby
And yes, it is truly a major competitor, wether or not Sony fan boys will
admit it
Kirby