PS2 vs Dreamcast Launch Part 2
j03
http://segaweb.com/news/1100/099.html
The second week numbers are in. Click here to see how the PS2 and
Dreamcast launches compared.
It was a disappointing week for PS2 developers. Only two of the top 30
video games for the week after the PS2 launch were PS2 titles. Madden
2001 and Tekken Tag Tournament placed at number eight and number
twenty -one, respectively.
TRST Top 30 Video Games (Ocbtober 29 - November 4, 2000)
1. Pokemon Silver - Nintendo, GBC
2. Pokemon Gold - Nintendo, GBC
3. Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - Nintendo, N64
4. NBA2K1 - Sega, Dreamcast
5. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - Activision, PSX
....
8. Madden NFL 2001 - Electronic Arts, PS2
....
21. Tekken Tag Tournament - Namco, PS2
....
By contrast, the Dreamcast fared rather well in it's second week, with
seven titles in the top 30, including four titles in the top ten. Most
of this can be attributed to strong software to hardware sales ratios,
and an adequate supply of hardware.
TRST Top 30 Video Games (September 12-18, 1999)
1. Final Fantasy VIII, PSX
2. Madden NFL 2000, PSX
3. NFL2K, DC
4. Star Wars: Phantom Menace, PSX
5. Sonic Adventure, DC
6. Soul Calibur, DC
7. Ready to Rumble, DC
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20. House of the Dead 2, DC
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27 Blue Stinger, DC
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29. Hydro Thunder, DC
Oddly, mainstream media sources appear to be ignoring Sony's
lackluster PS2 launch, while lauding "Internet features" and other
silly nonsense. At least Sega fans can look forward to the best
software lineup the video game industry has seen in years. What
remains a mystery, is how Sony is explaining this situation to
developers...
NBA2K1, Quake3, 4x4 Evo, Maximum Pool, NFL2K1, online multiplayer,
its IN the GAME!!
Steven Shao
video games, they bought it for 1) try to make profits online by ripping
people off and 2) watch DVD movies. Then if they got lots of money lying
around, they might pick up a PS2 game. I'll bet you tons of people bought
DVD movies because of their PS2 last week. This is a truly sad sign for the
video gaming industry.
SS
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Jerry
Boogieboy
outselling the DC. Sega does little TV advertising for the console and I
think that may have a lot to do with sloppy sales. If gamers don't
know,gamers don't buy!
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Dacium
the number of games selling, Madden 2001 could be selling 10 times more than
any DC, that
list doesn't say sh#t and shows how segaweb is a complete load of crap.
Paul Dragon
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Isaac
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time. What planet are YOU on? ;-)
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:32:24 -0800, "Boogieboy" <p...@pia.com>
sent in this distress signal from the Zurg fortress:
>I don't want to agree with guy but he has apoint . Currently the old PS is
>outselling the DC. Sega does little TV advertising for the console and I
>think that may have a lot to do with sloppy sales. If gamers don't
>know,gamers don't buy!
>"Jerry" <jerryl...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Doug Jacobs
> That's not a fair comparison! I mean, people don't buy the PS2 to play
> video games, they bought it for 1) try to make profits online by ripping
> people off and 2) watch DVD movies. Then if they got lots of money lying
> around, they might pick up a PS2 game. I'll bet you tons of people bought
> DVD movies because of their PS2 last week. This is a truly sad sign for the
> video gaming industry.
This is the US, not Japan. Most people who picked up a PS2 did so because
of the games (or ebay), but not its DVD capability. If you wanted just a
DVD player, you can get one for about $120.
Furthermore, even if people did start buying PS2s for its DVD capability,
why is this a "sad sign" for the video game industry?
More people buying a platform will result in more people buying more games,
which will lead to more games being released - including more "niche" games
that us hardcore gamers tend to prefer.
Hasn't history shown that platforms with large user bases tend to have
larger number of games released over a longer period of time than those
platforms that don't sell so well?
C. Delorean
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> maybe they bought it because the shop people told them about the 'internet
> features'
You'd be surprised at how many stories in the mainstream media (newspapers,
newscasts, etc), have stated that the PS2 connects to the internet. I've
seen several, and the funniest one was in the a quote from a guy who said he
was going to buy a computer, but decided he was going to try to get a PS2
instead.
Or check this clip from the Vancouver Sun:
http://www.vancouversun.com/newsite/networks/001026/4753211.html
"In addition to DVDs and games, however, the PlayStation 2's processing
power has other applications. Like Sega Dreamcast, which first introduced
on-line and broadband capability into their console, PS2 offers on-line and
broadband functions. Gamers can go on-line and play games with digital
pen-pals and access the Internet. Sony is also hoping that through a whole
new line of software, which is currently being developed by companies such
as Vancouver's Moderngroove, owners of the PS2 will be able to use their
gaming console as the chief web-interface tool. "
Hong Kong Phooey
How sad.
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terrell gibbs
wrote:
>This is the US, not Japan. Most people who picked up a PS2 did so because
>of the games (or ebay), but not its DVD capability. If you wanted just a
>DVD player, you can get one for about $120.
The DVD player prices I've been seeing are around $170. I certainly bought my
PS2 primarily as a DVD player, with the notion that it was worth paying a little
extra on the chance that there would be at least a few good games eventually.
hahanson
use your brain.
This list is total sales across all platforms.
If Madden 2k1 had sold more, it would be higher on the list...
Pokemon outsold EVERYTHING. I guess that doesn't say much for the gene
pool either :)
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:23:28 +1000, "Dacium" <kias...@primus.com.au>
wrote:
>they need to compare
>the number of games selling, Madden 2001 could be selling 10 times more than
>any DC, that
>list doesn't say sh#t and shows how segaweb is a complete load of crap.
>
Steven Shao
> This is the US, not Japan. Most people who picked up a PS2 did so because
> of the games (or ebay), but not its DVD capability. If you wanted just a
> DVD player, you can get one for about $120.
Oh really, then why is it that people who bought the PS2 seem to know
nothing about video games? My Local Best Buy sold more DVD's with the PS2
than games on launch day. People were walking out with a PS2 and nothing
else. When the sales clerk ask them whether they wanted to buy a game or
memory card, they were just like "nah, we'll wait" Also, EB's are turning
into used DVD stores with their trade in your old DVD's for game compaign.
>
> Furthermore, even if people did start buying PS2s for its DVD capability,
> why is this a "sad sign" for the video game industry?
>
The sad sign is people are buying DVD movies instead of games. This is why
many PS2 game developers are having a cow over the DVD compatibility issues.
> Hasn't history shown that platforms with large user bases tend to have
> larger number of games released over a longer period of time than those
> platforms that don't sell so well?
Yes, such as the Gameboy Color. That doesn't mean it has better games than
other consoles. People bought GBC because it was portable. People buy the
PS2 because they thought it was worth thousands on Ebay, and it plays DVD.
SS
Jak Crow
> Geez.. don't be a disgrace to the human gene pool. At least try and
> use your brain.
> This list is total sales across all platforms.
> If Madden 2k1 had sold more, it would be higher on the list...
Do you actually read what you type? "if Madden 2k1 had sold more,
it would be higher on the list..." No shit?! Really?!
Nullman
can get a PS2 which is DVD + a game system. Kind of makes the game
system part like $150, the DVD part the other $150.00. But, since
they are NOWHERE to be found other than 2x the price on Ebay - forget
it. I'll get one next summer when you can actually find one.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:02:17 -0000, Doug Jacobs <dja...@tsoft.com>
wrote:
>In rec.games.video.sony Steven Shao <ysh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jeff Genovese
"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@tsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Furthermore, even if people did start buying PS2s for its DVD capability,
>
> Hasn't history shown that platforms with large user bases tend to have
> larger number of games released over a longer period of time than those
> platforms that don't sell so well?
It's a little different this time. The PlayStation 2 can do something that
many people want which doesn't at all relate to video games. Having a large
userbase of casual (at best) gamers doesn't do much to move software.
Whenever I hear people talk about the PS2, they always bring up the DVD
capabilities. Everyone knows that's a feature. It's in every newspaper
story and every TV news story on the device. That feature seems to be hyped
up more than the game playing aspects of the machine. It lends a bit of
credence to the theories that Sony's not at all committed to producing a
game machine, but rather getting more DVD players and set-top Internet
access boxes into people's homes.
Why else would they take a $180 hit per machine? Do you think they can
possibly break even on the average gamer? Even if they make a profit of $10
per game and accessory, does the average user have even close to that number
of add ons? I don't think so. Sony's looking to make back the money in DVD
sales and Internet access charges when they roll out their broadband plan.
The games are just icing.
Jeff
hahanson
message I replied to...
Brad Matrix
wrote:
>>
>> This is the US, not Japan. Most people who picked up a PS2 did so because
>> of the games (or ebay), but not its DVD capability. If you wanted just a
>> DVD player, you can get one for about $120.
>
>Oh really, then why is it that people who bought the PS2 seem to know
>nothing about video games? My Local Best Buy sold more DVD's with the PS2
>than games on launch day. People were walking out with a PS2 and nothing
>else. When the sales clerk ask them whether they wanted to buy a game or
>memory card, they were just like "nah, we'll wait"
Or buying it so they can sell it closer to Christmas for a profit.
>
>>
>> Furthermore, even if people did start buying PS2s for its DVD capability,
>> why is this a "sad sign" for the video game industry?
>>
>
>The sad sign is people are buying DVD movies instead of games. This is why
>many PS2 game developers are having a cow over the DVD compatibility issues.
Which is something I have been saying since the release of the PS2 in
Japan.
The games market is being diluted thanks to Sony.
>
>> Hasn't history shown that platforms with large user bases tend to have
>> larger number of games released over a longer period of time than those
>> platforms that don't sell so well?
>
>Yes, such as the Gameboy Color. That doesn't mean it has better games than
>other consoles. People bought GBC because it was portable. People buy the
>PS2 because they thought it was worth thousands on Ebay, and it plays DVD.
>
>SS
>
Cheers,
Brad Matrix
bradmatrix@hotmail-dotcom(replace -dot with .)
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Aznable
>
American as Japanese are buying a DVD plaiers that
can also play some un-origininal, un-inspired games.
I Just wondering why they are paying $300 or more
for a DVD player..isnt it too expensive?
Let's see what sony will do here in Europe this week
(except to force the resellers to get tons of games
published by Sony)
Aznable
>
I am jealous becose i have more than 50 games for
Dreamcast, my flat isnt so big and i am running out of space.
If i would b wise enough to wait a PS2 i woulnt have such
a problem :)
Doug Jacobs
> It's a little different this time. The PlayStation 2 can do something that
> many people want which doesn't at all relate to video games. Having a large
> userbase of casual (at best) gamers doesn't do much to move software.
Why not?
Look at the PC. It plays games. It plays DVDs. It plays MP3s. It's
a web browser. It's your word processor. Heck, some people run their
entire business with one.
Having a DVD drive in a PC hasn't dented the PC gaming industry. If anything
there are more games than ever. Furthermore, there are more games in more
genres.
There aren't many PS2 games out right now, so it wouldn't surprise me if
folks were buying more DVDs than PS2 games. In my case, the PS2 will
become my primary DVD player...but it'll also be my PS2-gaming station.
> Whenever I hear people talk about the PS2, they always bring up the DVD
> capabilities. Everyone knows that's a feature. It's in every newspaper
> story and every TV news story on the device. That feature seems to be hyped
> up more than the game playing aspects of the machine. It lends a bit of
> credence to the theories that Sony's not at all committed to producing a
> game machine, but rather getting more DVD players and set-top Internet
> access boxes into people's homes.
I think this is because I think the media finds the DVD capabilities of the
PS2 "novel." Nevermind that PCs have been able to play DVDs for years - and
hey bonus! - PCs can also connect to the internet!
Gordon Bruce
> Look at the PC. It plays games. It plays DVDs. It plays MP3s. It's
> a web browser. It's your word processor. Heck, some people run their
> entire business with one.
A computer (ain't you heard of a little company called Apple?) does anything the
hardware and equally importantly the software is designed for. Heck running
businesses were what Intergrated Business Machines (Ever heard of them? They
shortened their name to....) were designed for, and you suggest only some people
use them for that? Medication.....it's a wonder what it'll do for you!
DVD take up in PC's has fallen far short of expectations. Where CD-ROM raced to
fill the void, (floppies were too small and slow) and CDR raced to fill the backup
space (er....floppies were too small and slow) , DVD raced to
fill....er....um....nothing at all.
DVD drives as yet come nowhere near the speed of the best of CD-ROM drives in any
aspect, while watching a movie on a monitor isn't the biggest thrill even using a
very large and hopelessly expensive 21" device. Ouput via a good graphics card to
a big or widescreen TV is good of course, as long as you don't mind either routing
50 yards of cable to your TV which is usually in another part of your home, or a
computer's fan whirring away in the background of your viewing room. The latter of
course defeats the point of "Better than CD quality sound" for DVD of course.
> Having a DVD drive in a PC hasn't dented the PC gaming industry. If anything
> there are more games than ever. Furthermore, there are more games in more
> genres.
Having a DVD drive in a PC adds nothing at all to the games front as their aren't
any games out on DVD only (two titles or something?) that are worth buying a DVD
for! What DVD does solely add is the ability to play movies to a computer's
already all in one nature, of course then you're stuck with the problems already
mentioned. Having a DVD instead of a leading edge CD-ROM or CD-RW, does ensure
you're trailing the performance pack however.....good one!
> There aren't many PS2 games out right now, so it wouldn't surprise me if
> folks were buying more DVDs than PS2 games. In my case, the PS2 will
> become my primary DVD player...but it'll also be my PS2-gaming station.
Why would "folks" even bother though? Considering the Sony Japan debacle regarding
early PS2 OS's having to be updated to prevent multi-region play, (Hollywood still
not backing down over that apparently) and that DVD only player prices are falling
hand over fist, you could buy a good DVD player, a DC, and still have money left
over for some films or games!
Meanwhile as you suggest many are buying their PS2's to play movies as there
aren't many games available....that would mean they could buy a DVD player
(probably a good multi-region one) with about 10 - 15 movies for the price of a
single PS2 on it's own. Seems like a bad trade off, if movies are your thing.
> <snip>I think the media finds the DVD capabilities of the
> PS2 "novel." Nevermind that PCs have been able to play DVDs for years - and
> hey bonus! - PCs can also connect to the internet!
Er...yes. Anything new in a console is novel. Modem's in DC's were novel (look
they can connect to the net too....imagine that!) DVD playback in PS2 is novel,
and needless to say that whatever the X-Box and GameCube can add will also be
novel. A novelty is something new, unseen before....and as previous consoles just
played games, connecting to the net, or paying movies is indeed novel.
Gord.
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guy-jin
gor...@future.sol.co.uk wrote:
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> hardware and equally importantly the software is designed for.
> Heck running businesses were what Intergrated Business Machines
> (Ever heard of them? They shortened their name to....)
ahem. IBM stands for INTERNATIONAL business machines.
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: In article <3A267591...@NOSPAMfuture.sol.co.uk>,
: gor...@future.sol.co.uk wrote:
: [snip]
:> hardware and equally importantly the software is designed for.
:> Heck running businesses were what Intergrated Business Machines
:> (Ever heard of them? They shortened their name to....)
: ahem. IBM stands for INTERNATIONAL business machines.
I think they should've stayed with the name C-T-R
(for the Computing - Tabulating - Recording Co. :)
Gordon Bruce
> : ahem. IBM stands for INTERNATIONAL business machines.
>
> I think they should've stayed with the name C-T-R
> (for the Computing - Tabulating - Recording Co. :)
I stand corricted...er...corrected. But the "I" isn't so nearly as
important to the point I was making as the "B" and "M". The biggest use
for PC is running businesses etc. gaming is something they've always
been able to do, but IBM has never stood for INTERNATIONAL Gaming
Machines, except for those sadly afflicted with dyselxia!
Can you remember that far back to C.T.R.? Wow. I have to look back into
the history books for that one! 8¬)
Gord.
Brian Langenberger
: Brian Langenberger wrote:
:> : ahem. IBM stands for INTERNATIONAL business machines.
:>
:> I think they should've stayed with the name C-T-R
:> (for the Computing - Tabulating - Recording Co. :)
<snip!>
: Can you remember that far back to C.T.R.? Wow. I have to look back into
: the history books for that one! 8¬)
I don't think much of *anybody* remembers CTR, mainly because they
changed the name in 1924. But if one of the Ts in AT&T can still stand
for "telegraph" after all these years, I figure "tabulating" and
"recording" in a name would still be okay ;)
It's also funny to look back at the first antitrust lawsuit filed
against IBM in 1932. Some things never change...