The Parents are Out of Control!
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You wake up in the morning.
The only thing you actually look forward to is a hot mug full of
coffee.
Maybe sugar.
Maybe cream.
Who gives a shit.
Then, just as you step out of your 8 minute shower and see the
remaining
hair from the back of your head curled around the drain at the bottom
of
the tub, you hear "LET THA BODIES HIT THA FLO'!" by Drowning Pool.
Or maybe it's a Korn song.
Or Marilyn Manson.
Or fucking Puff Daddy.
Again, who gives a shit.
It's your fucking kid cranking the music from his room. Louder than
goddamned bombs. You can smell the stink lurking around his door
from his composting pile of laundry and you knock saying, "You getting
ready for school?"
No answer, which means "Fuck you, Dad."
Now, continue to imagine you go to your job. You drive or ride on
a train or a goddamned bus with eighty-two thousand other suffocating
misfits of youth who failed to be star athletes and have to work as
clerks,
or accountants, or office managers. Or whatever.
You work with a whole team of miserable pricks, some semi-hot
divorced women who still have babybag bellies, and a whole lot of
executive assholes who actually believe their shit is worth wrapping
and taking fucking pictures of for their friends.
You bust your hairy ass all day - maybe your a garbage man or a
barber,
a taxi driver or a fucking dentist, it doesn't matter - only to have
to
commute home with the same misery you came in with, except now you
don't have coffee and your brain feels like it was pried apart with a
dirty
can opener.
Once you're home, you walk in and find your kid - the same one who was
deafening himself with goddamned music at 6:30 am - sitting on his
lazy fucking ass playing Quake.
Or maybe it's Halo.
Or maybe it's Mario.
Or maybe it's Vice City.
I don't care which!
You step over his sneakers which smell more rank than a goddamned
dead mole rotting like an old kiwi on the rug. You barely avoid
becoming
ensnared in the controller cables and suddenly the kid hollers,
"Come on Dad, I'm playin' here! Jeeez!!"
In your mind, you take a golf club and hit him in the goddamned head
so hard his fucking teeth become permanently lodged in the tires
of your neighbors Saturn next door.
But alas, you don't say anything and you go to your room, empty the
coins
out of your pocket onto your cluttery dresser and as you change into
some
clothes to make yourself more comfortable, your colon gives out,
spewing
fecal matter all over the new créme rug your wife just bought.
Your brain seizes up and you blow your guts all over your Ethan Allen
dresser, soaking the coins and clutter in liquid chicken salad that
you
ate at lunchtime.
Finally, your fucking head pops like a can of Coke in a microwave.
This is your life. This is your routine. This is the rest of your
existence,
minus the week you spend at fucking Disney once a year handing out
twenties to your goddamned depraved kids.
Now, imagine you have to go out and buy them video games.
Where do you start? What do you do?
Who the fuck can you ask about that shit?
So, you go to the local game shop at the mall.
You ask the red-haired pussy behind the counter who likes to button
the top button of his shirt and wear his nametag so the metal pin
lightly
touches his dry, chapply nipple, "What game can you recommend for
my kid's Playstation?"
The kid looks at you blankly like you just spoke to him in fucking
Swahili,
when it clicks and he says, "Oh yeah... GTA VC is pretty popular."
You want to say, "Huhn? GTA VC? What the fuck are you talking about,
you miserable part of a Happy Meal?" but what you actually say is,
"Oh yeah? That's sounds like fun, I'll take it."
You pay almost sixty bucks for a fucking video game. You look it over
and basically cannot even read the packaging. The graphics look cool,
but you can't help but think about when video games cost a quarter
when
you were a kid.
After going to the mall Wrap-It station and spending another $6 bucks
to have some overweight, pie-faced high-school chick in a sweatsuit
who you know has to sit out of gym class every week due to "doctor's
instructions" mangley wrap your kid's game up for you.
Then you tip her three dollars because you know she'll never get laid,
not even by the class retard or the kid who wears his pajama's under
his
clothes to school.
You get the shit home and eventually you give the gift to your kid,
eagerly
anticipating his glowing excitement when he says after tearing the
paper
off without even looking to see who it's from, "Oh Vice City. Cool
game.
I played this a Jimmy's. He's got a Playstation. Too bad all we got is
the GameCube."
Your jaw drops and once again, you can feel your colon start to quiver
and taste that chicken salad again.
Okay, for those of you who read this far, the fucking point of this
is,
when did our parents become so blindly fucking dispossessed with
what our fucking lives are like?
I mean, I'm standing in line at EBX to buy a used game for like,
$12.99,
and this guy ahead of me asks the clerk (the above description WAS
him)
the exact same shit I wrote about above.
The guy never asked about the platform. He said "playstation" with
a lower-case P, like aspirin or fucking jello. He never asked or
looked at
the goddamned parental rating or even how old a kid should be to play.
He did say the word, "teenager" tho. Fucking moron.
I stood behind this douce pipe imagining the scenario I described
while
this guy yanked out his credit card without even acknowledging the
price.
When the clerk asked him to sign, he said jokingly, "Wow! Video games
have gotten pretty expensive, eh? I remember when they were only
a quarter!"
He laughed and looked around to see who was "with him."
I wanted to grab his teabag and slam it in the register drawer.
It was beyond me how anyone could be so blatanly irresponsible when
it came to their kid. To have no clue what you were buying and leave
it up
to the clerk at EBX to make the call for you.
I wanted to step in, but my better conscience told me to shut the fuck
up.
I guess I'm fucking lucky. My dad introduced me to computers and he
also introduced me to mountain biking and snowboarding.
When we bought a console, he told me to pick out a game while he
picked one out, too.
He's not my friend - by any means no fucking way - but he's totally
into having fun and discovering what's new in the world.
I feel badly for the kid who's dad bought him Vice City that day.
I mean, he got a pretty goddamned cool game, but he also got a dad
who doesn't know what the fuck the game is all about.
Oh yeah, did I mention the guy was also carrying a goddamned
hot mug full of Starbuck's coffee? Are you surprised?
Masked Loser
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<SNIP>
lol I found that entertaining.
Personally, if I have DVD's, video game or computer stuff or any other kind
of hardware that I want for xmas or my birthday, I know my mom won't get it
right, so I print out a list of things I want, complete with pictures and
the estimated prices. That kind of helps, though she usually ends up asking
me to just buy it for her.
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Colonel Spoongoon ³
> I wanted to grab his teabag and slam it in the register drawer.
Is that his scrotum your talking about?
> Oh yeah, did I mention the guy was also carrying a goddamned
> hot mug full of Starbuck's coffee? Are you surprised?
(Hmmmm Cappuccino!) I'd rather drink Starbucks than MacD's sewer piss...
RichGL
>
I take it you don't approve of Vice City then?
Did your kid kill someone?
owen
>
> Okay, for those of you who read this far, the fucking point of this
> is,
> when did our parents become so blindly fucking dispossessed with
> what our fucking lives are like?
Since their snivelling, ungrateful, arrogant, shir-for-brains kids started
showing absoultely fuck all respect for them, or any gratitude for anything
their parents do, or buy for them, be it computer games, clothing, food, or
whatever.
You should be fucking grateful if your parents buy you ANYTHING and that
they have jobs which they earn money FOR YOU and that they are fit and
healthy enough to look after YOU. If you are still living at home with
someone providing everything for you and looking out for you then you are in
fucking HEAVEN and you are too fucking shortsighted and ungrateful to
realise it.
Parents are NOT there to be your friends, they arent there to share your
interests in music or video games (if they do, then yes, you're lucky).
Parents are there to look after you and care for you and provide YOU with a
fucking roof over your head, so get the fuck used to it and be GRATEFUL
because when you eventually grow up and enter the REAL world, where you dont
have someone providing everything for you, i am guessing it is gonna hit you
like a fucking ton of bricks.
Just my opinion. Take it or leave it, I dont care either way!
Owen
<(S!l!con-@rt)>
althought i feel sorry for my parents, becouse they are not very technicl
minded and they have so many other things to organise for xmas and the tree
and the food. ect, ect, ect.
just my thoughts :)
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Davidgilmour
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> Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
after this sentence your story got boring.
Can someone give a small summary and tell me if it was funny ?
SINNER
> Just my opinion. Take it or leave it, I dont care either way!
and let us all say: Amen!
Well Said!
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Well to be honest I'm confused by it. In the first half of the post he
seemed to be an adult who was angry at ungrateful kids. In the second half
he seemed to be an ungrateful kid who was angry at adults.
My guess is that he's an ungrateful snivelling kid who is basically angry at
the fact his daddy doesnt understand his "need" for Grand Theft Auto or some
other game that would fill a hole in his vaccuous existance.
Summary: An adolescent rant.
Funny: No, more like SAD.
Judging from the blatant cross-posting I think he's a troll. I sholdnt
have bitten really but never mind.
Owen
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What are you, stupid? Did you even read the whole post?
You've got to have a goddamned boner between your ears
you neolithic dipshit. i don't even know what the fuck you're
talking about, you damned gibbering assmonkey.
Read the fucking post before you comment.
And just to clarify, Vice City is an excellent game!
Zackman
> after this sentence your story got boring.
Sort of like About Face?
> Can someone give a small summary and tell me if it was funny ?
Yes it was.
-Z-
p.s. RIP, Joe Strummer. :(
RichGL
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> > <zack_b...@email.com> wrote in message
> > news:f3c08532.02122...@posting.google.com...
> > > Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
> > >
> > <snipped long and labourious post>
> >
> > I take it you don't approve of Vice City then?
> >
> > Did your kid kill someone?
>
> What are you, stupid? Did you even read the whole post?
> You've got to have a goddamned boner between your ears
> you neolithic dipshit. i don't even know what the fuck you're
> talking about, you damned gibbering assmonkey.
>
> Read the fucking post before you comment.
>
> And just to clarify, Vice City is an excellent game!
Well I started reading it but then I realised that life is just far too
short.
Adnan
Kids these days are just too spoiled to appreciate anything. They don't
realise that there are other kids less fortunate than they are and
should feel happy about what they've got instead of always asking for
more. And you don't reward a kid who acts like shit. That's called
reinforcement. If you are a parent, you're not supposed to behave like a
friend to your kid. Of course you can be kind and nice to him, but you
should always remember that you are his parent and you're responsible
for raising that kid. At the same time, from a kid's perspective, if he
sees his mother or father behaving like his friend, this will also give
him the impression that he's allowed to behave the same way as he would
with a friend (talk back, to shout, to disobey etc..). It's better to
remind your kids that you are the leader in the house (by acting like
one), instead of undermining this authority by acting like your kid's
equal and bowing to his every demand.
And to come back to the topic of consumerism: This is not only a kids
problem these days either. I've noticed that in the last 10 years,
consumerism has become even more important than it ever has in the past,
to the point that it's not only kids that behave this way but people my
age and older (20s) as well.
Adnan B.
Adnan
>
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> >
> >
> > zack_b...@email.com schreef:
> >
> > > Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
> >
> > after this sentence your story got boring.
> > Can someone give a small summary and tell me if it was funny ?
> >
>
> Well to be honest I'm confused by it. In the first half of the post he
> seemed to be an adult who was angry at ungrateful kids. In the second half
> he seemed to be an ungrateful kid who was angry at adults.
>
> My guess is that he's an ungrateful snivelling kid who is basically angry at
> the fact his daddy doesnt understand his "need" for Grand Theft Auto or some
> other game that would fill a hole in his vaccuous existance.
I don't think so. If he was a sniveling, spoiled kid he wouldn't
understand the perspective of the dad so well and at the same time
wouldn't be criticizing kids who are so unappreciative of anything
(which is what he does in his post).
Adnan B.
El Guapo
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Heh.... people said the same thing about kids 2000 years ago (it's
documented) and no doubt back as far as there have been modern humans.
Some things never change.
SINNER
>> My guess is that he's an ungrateful snivelling kid who is basically
>> angry at the fact his daddy doesnt understand his "need" for Grand
>> Theft Auto or some other game that would fill a hole in his vaccuous
>> existance.
>
> I don't think so. If he was a sniveling, spoiled kid he wouldn't
> understand the perspective of the dad so well and at the same time
> wouldn't be criticizing kids who are so unappreciative of anything
> (which is what he does in his post).
>
Then why is he so upset?
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> My guess is that he's an ungrateful snivelling kid who is basically angry
at
> the fact his daddy doesnt understand his "need" for Grand Theft Auto or
some
> other game that would fill a hole in his vaccuous existance.
>
> Summary: An adolescent rant.
> Funny: No, more like SAD.
Did you read the post? He is complaining that parents are not responsible
enough and do not know enough about their kids, or the games they play, etc.
Didn't sound like an ungrateful kid at all, but rather a kid that is
grateful that is father is not like the cluless guy at EB.
Raze
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> Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>
> You wake up in the morning.
> The only thing you actually look forward to is a hot mug full of
> coffee.
> Maybe sugar.
> Maybe cream.
> Who gives a shit.
>
> Then, just as you step out of your 8 minute shower and see the
> remaining
> hair from the back of your head curled around the drain at the bottom
> of
> the tub, you hear "LET THA BODIES HIT THA FLO'!" by Drowning Pool.
>
> Or maybe it's a Korn song.
> Or Marilyn Manson.
> Or fucking Puff Daddy.
> Again, who gives a shit.
>
> It's your fucking kid cranking the music from his room. Louder than
> goddamned bombs. You can smell the stink lurking around his door
> from his composting pile of laundry and you knock saying, "You getting
> ready for school?"
<snips randomly just to not make anyone have to scroll way the fuck down>
Ya know, your post sounded like the opening of American Beauty ;)
Its a shame isn't it, what people have become..so enslaved by the capitalist
world that they forfeit their lives. This is what they call freedom. Sounds
free to you, doesn't it? It's all a facade really. Freedom is myth. You are
only free when you're living in a log cabin by yourself somewhere in the
mountains or in a grass hut on the beach in the tropics and no one except a
few friends or family members know you're there. No gov't to tax you and
take money from you that they don't deserve, no electricity or gas bills...
no tv to flash ads in your face attempting to brainwash the masses by a
Swoosh or a glowing green X or whatever...not tv shows to tell you that in
order to be happy you have to be sculpted like a god...etc. That is freedom,
until you can reach that point, in some way or another you are a slave to
the system.
It is also a shame how many hours people work a week just to earn a living.
The corporate jobs that take away every freedom you have will ruin your
family bonds. Raising a kid is no easy matter, and if you're not there for
them between 6-14 yrs old on a daily basis, they will grow up to hate you.
Fortunately there is an option to save this without getting rich to the
point you don't have to work. Teach. Yes, teach. The education system will
allow you to have off when your kid is off and thus you can plan trips and
things to do with your kid. Of course, as the kid reaches his teen years,
he'll want to go out with his friends more often then go someplace with his
parents, so you cant crowd him either.
Anyway, my point isn't to show my unwavering support of anarchy or to be Ann
Landers and to tell you how to be a good parent. My point is to show you
exactly why parents are detached from their kids' lives. Everyone is so
blinded by money in this system of planetary enslavement that they don't pay
attention to the more important things like paying attention to the ones
they're supposed to love. Its all part of the reason for the high divorce
rates. People don't care enough about each other. Living in New York City,
that's basically the understatement of the year for me.
Ultimately, what it comes down to is that you should be lucky you have a
good dad... a lot of people don't. I agree with that line in Parenthood "You
need a license to own a gun, even to drive a car..but any moron can become a
parent" ... My parents are good people as well, and they've done a good job
in the past quarter century. Yet raising a kid now amidst this sea of media
bullshit is a scary thought. Its like your kid walking through a minefield
blindfolded and you're on the other side guiding them through only by your
voice. Its tough, its scary, but if you can do it right, the end result is
the single most rewarding thing of your life.
BTW, snowboarding rocks. Been riding 4 times this season so far.
Areku
I've never been suspended, expelled,sent to detention, gone to juvi, gone to
jail.No teacher has ever called my parents for a coference. Everyone I know
trusts me more than they do anyone else. And guess what? My parents have
always treated me as an equal. If they scream, I can scream. If they laugh,
they can laugh. Dictatorship like authority is only needed with the kind of
kid written about in the above story, no good pathetic losers who can't pick
up a few clothes off the floor and say something nice for once in their
life. That, and get their own video games..
Steve
> Well I started reading it but then I realised that life is just far too
> short.
That is just an excuse to cover you attention deficit disorder. If you
didnt read the post due to life being so short, and not wanting to waste
time, why did you waste more time posting a reply?
Expieriencing the ideas of others is what life is about.
SINNER
plotting:
> Did you read the post? He is complaining that parents are not
> responsible enough and do not know enough about their kids, or the
> games they play, etc. Didn't sound like an ungrateful kid at all, but
> rather a kid that is grateful that is father is not like the cluless
> guy at EB.
>
I find it hard to believe that any kid would care that an adult was buying
an M rated game for what the clueless father called a teenager. THe post
was way over the top for someone who seems just a child himself although I
agree that parents should be parents, and not rely on the stores to "police
the sales" for just this reason. If the parent is that clueless they should
not be allowed to have kids in the first place.
Daniel Kolle
>you hear "LET THA BODIES HIT THA FLO'!" by Drowning Pool.
>
>Or maybe it's a Korn song.
>Or Marilyn Manson.
>Or fucking Puff Daddy.
>Again, who gives a shit.
Your son's taste in music is shit.
Teach him a lesson.
-Kolle (kohl-lee); 14. A.A. #2035
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Hecubas
> into having fun and discovering what's new in the world.
>
> I feel badly for the kid who's dad bought him Vice City that day.
> I mean, he got a pretty goddamned cool game, but he also got a dad
> who doesn't know what the fuck the game is all about.
>
Ah, teen angst. You want your parents to be cool and care about you,
but not too close. Maybe when you're 28 you'll get the picture.
You're right though about parents being oblivious to their children.
Most parents (hell, people for that matter) don't have the energy to
sacrifice their careers or pursuits to take care or care for somebody
else.
Now for the morals:
1. Parents - don't dump your kids at daycare all day and then dump
them in front of the game console when they are teens. Take an active
role in their lives from day 1. Bonus points for one parent giving up
their career to raise them when they are really young and
impressionable.
2. Kids - don't think your situation is so utterely dire that your
parents can't possibly understand, knock it off. WE ALL WERE TEENS AT
ONE TIME! Part of your situation is hormones, part of it is finding
out how the socio-economical part of the world works. A lot of it is
finding out that there is a lot of crappy things that happen in the
world. Just remember, the world is what you make of it. No shit.
There is a whole lot of good out there, you just need to make it a
priority over dwelling on the bad stuff.
3. Somebody mentioned consumerism, that's no joke. Corporate America
is looking to the teen demographic and trying to milk that market for
all its worth. If you start to fall into that trap, of course your
life is gonna seem worthless like that poor sap you saw in the store.
Get your parents or take your kids camping or something, anything,
that doesn't pay homage to some corporate giant. Say, isn't there a
good children's book about Christmas and a furry green freak that
struggles over the same issue we're talking about?
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> > > > Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
> > > >
> > > <snipped long and labourious post>
> > >
> > > I take it you don't approve of Vice City then?
> > >
> > > Did your kid kill someone?
> >
> > What are you, stupid? Did you even read the whole post?
> > You've got to have a goddamned boner between your ears
> > you neolithic dipshit. i don't even know what the fuck you're
> > talking about, you damned gibbering assmonkey.
> >
> > Read the fucking post before you comment.
> >
> > And just to clarify, Vice City is an excellent game!
>
> Well I started reading it but then I realised that life is just far too
> short.
Point well taken! haha!!!
Nick Vargish
> Most parents (hell, people for that matter) don't have the energy to
> sacrifice their careers or pursuits to take care or care for somebody
> else.
For some of us, our careers _are_ the sacrifice we make for our
children. I would much rather stay at home, spend most of my time with
the kids, but you know what? They also need a roof over their heads,
food on the table, and clothes on their backs.
Nick
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perhaps when you post your feedback to "him" you might consider the
fact that "he" might actually tune in to "his" own post and that "he" is not
a third person in this loop, you donut plugging flesh weapon!
And Owen, since you courteously posted twice to one loop in one day,
you might have the smarts to type complete words but you're obviously a
short-sighted nincompoop of cataclysmic proportions.
Do yourself a favor and shove a large meatball in your mouth before
you speak, because until you learn not to pass judgements on people
you don't know, you continue to sound like a fucking dump truck full of shit.
Have a nice day.
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HAHAHAHHA SPNAK. RAPED.
I love you.
The Mak
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<snip>
> Do yourself a favor and shove a large meatball in your mouth before
> you speak, because until you learn not to pass judgements on people
> you don't know, you continue to sound like a fucking dump truck full of
shit.
>
> Have a nice day.
Ohhhh, that's what a dump truck full of shit sounds like.
SINNER
> perhaps when you post your feedback to "him" you might consider the
> fact that "he" might actually tune in to "his" own post and that "he"
> is not a third person in this loop, you donut plugging flesh weapon!
>
> And Owen, since you courteously posted twice to one loop in one day,
> you might have the smarts to type complete words but you're obviously
> a short-sighted nincompoop of cataclysmic proportions.
>
> Do yourself a favor and shove a large meatball in your mouth before
> you speak, because until you learn not to pass judgements on people
> you don't know, you continue to sound like a fucking dump truck full
> of shit.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
this post makes your OP sound even less credible than it already was, nice
work.
esnp...@bitusmeus.com
> Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>
> You wake up in the morning.
> The only thing you actually look forward to is a hot mug full of
> coffee.
> Maybe sugar.
> Maybe cream.
> Who gives a shit.
Wow. I'm getting that you're bitter, and like a typical teenager you want
to keep your parents at a distance and then blame them for being distant.
I've passed this along to some of my experts, and oddly enough they all
agreed that your life is pathetic and you should commit suicide
immediately.
Usually we don't say that, but in your case, well, whattyagonnado?
</drphil>
Nick Zitzmann
"Raze" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Its a shame isn't it, what people have become..so enslaved by the capitalist
> world that they forfeit their lives. This is what they call freedom. Sounds
> free to you, doesn't it? It's all a facade really. Freedom is myth.
"Man is free, yet is everywhere in chains..."
Anyone remember who said that?
> Ultimately, what it comes down to is that you should be lucky you have a
> good dad... a lot of people don't. I agree with that line in Parenthood "You
> need a license to own a gun, even to drive a car..but any moron can become a
> parent" ...
The worst ones are the apathetic ones who expect society, their peers,
their teachers, the media, etc. do their work for them instead of
directly being involved with their childrens' lives. The ideal parent
should exert direct responsibility for their children until they are old
enough to care for themselves.
In the context of gaming, parents should know exactly what their
children are playing and be able to tell if it's appropriate or not. If
it's not appropriate, then they shouldn't buy it. It's that simple.
Unfortunately I know too many children who had apathetic parents...
Nick Zitzmann
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Go there to send me E-Mail!
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Nick Vargish
> "Man is free, yet is everywhere in chains..."
> Anyone remember who said that?
I can't find it in Google, so my guess is that nobody has ever said
it.
Nick
p.s. Jacques Rousseau said, "Man is born free -- yet he is everywhere
in chains."
p.p.s. Yes, I am a smartass. :^)
Thoth
> that fucking ruled.
No doubt zack_bastard shows some writing talent. He's definitely the most
gifted troll contributing to this group.
Adnan
Are you sure I was the person your message was meant for?
Adnan B.
Zenogias
thread is staggering. That, and the way it quickly degraded into pure agressive
insulting reminds me of how stupid I was when I was a teenager. Still
entertaining though.
owen
<esnp...@bitusmeus.com> wrote in message
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>
> Usually we don't say that, but in your case, well, whattyagonnado?
>
LOL !!!
owen
"Thoth" <Unli...@notlisted.net> wrote in message
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And there's nothing more sad than wasted talent.
Owen
owen
> perhaps when you post your feedback to "him" you might consider the
> fact that "he" might actually tune in to "his" own post and that "he" is
not
> a third person in this loop, you donut plugging flesh weapon!
>
> And Owen, since you courteously posted twice to one loop in one day,
> you might have the smarts to type complete words but you're obviously a
> short-sighted nincompoop of cataclysmic proportions.
>
> Do yourself a favor and shove a large meatball in your mouth before
> you speak, because until you learn not to pass judgements on people
> you don't know, you continue to sound like a fucking dump truck full of
shit.
>
> Have a nice day.
I'm not getting drawn into this anymore.
I think your posts in this "loop" speak for themselves.
Well done for "tuning in" though. I didnt know you could get usenet on
wireless radios.
Owen
Greg Riicketts
"Nick Vargish" <n...@adams.patriot.net> wrote in message
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Nick Vargish
> What does your wife do during the day? Greg.
Now that the boys are both in school, she teaches pre-school. Her
hours match those of the youngest, and help cover the high costs of
private school.
Not everyone is as lucky as we are -- to have one person who makes
enough to mostly carry the household. Also, some children only have
one full-time parent (I did when I was growing up), and to say that
the primary caregiver is selfish to work hard at a career is unfair
and judgemental.
kicksy
"Nick Zitzmann" <ple...@seemysig.thanks> wrote in message
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> In article <1%HN9.268314$gB.50...@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
> "Raze" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Its a shame isn't it, what people have become..so enslaved by the
capitalist
> > world that they forfeit their lives. This is what they call freedom.
Sounds
> > free to you, doesn't it? It's all a facade really. Freedom is myth.
>
> "Man is free, yet is everywhere in chains..."
>
> Anyone remember who said that?
>
> > Ultimately, what it comes down to is that you should be lucky you have a
> > good dad... a lot of people don't. I agree with that line in Parenthood
"You
> > need a license to own a gun, even to drive a car..but any moron can
become a
> > parent" ...
>
> The worst ones are the apathetic ones who expect society, their peers,
> their teachers, the media, etc. do their work for them instead of
> directly being involved with their childrens' lives. The ideal parent
> should exert direct responsibility for their children until they are old
> enough to care for themselves.
And who decides how old that is? Is there a test.
> In the context of gaming, parents should know exactly what their
> children are playing and be able to tell if it's appropriate or not. If
> it's not appropriate, then they shouldn't buy it. It's that simple.
>
> Unfortunately I know too many children who had apathetic parents...
--
From the mind of Andrew Kicks
Everything in this world is bias. Even the world leans to one side.
kicksy
"Daniel Kolle" <DKo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> zack_b...@email.com thought hard and said:
>
> >you hear "LET THA BODIES HIT THA FLO'!" by Drowning Pool.
> >
> >Or maybe it's a Korn song.
> >Or Marilyn Manson.
> >Or fucking Puff Daddy.
> >Again, who gives a shit.
>
>
> Your son's taste in music is shit.
> Teach him a lesson.
Did you read the post, or did you just find something that you wanted to
comment on.
Greg Riicketts
> > their teachers, the media, etc. do their work for them instead of
> > directly being involved with their childrens' lives. The ideal parent
> > should exert direct responsibility for their children until they are old
> > enough to care for themselves.
>
> And who decides how old that is? Is there a test.
There should be a test. A parenting test. If you lack the basic skills to
parent children then you are reversibly sterilized. Many problems would be
solved. Greg.
Greg Riicketts
> "Greg Riicketts" <Gric...@woh.rr.com> writes:
>
> > What does your wife do during the day? Greg.
>
> Now that the boys are both in school, she teaches pre-school. Her
> hours match those of the youngest, and help cover the high costs of
> private school.
>
> Not everyone is as lucky as we are -- to have one person who makes
> enough to mostly carry the household. Also, some children only have
> one full-time parent (I did when I was growing up), and to say that
> the primary caregiver is selfish to work hard at a career is unfair
> and judgemental.
Many families have more than enough money to get by with one parent working.
It is the old problem of commercialism again. I gotta have everyting I see
or I "can't" be happy. It is a choice to have children. It is yet another
choice to decide to leave them in daycare under the supervision of others or
even ignore your children altogether. Unfortunately these choices affect
people outside a persons family and can have dire results. Greg.
Adnan
>
> "Nick Zitzmann" <ple...@seemysig.thanks> wrote in message
> news:please-0768DC....@netnews.attbi.com...
> > In article <1%HN9.268314$gB.50...@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
> > "Raze" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Its a shame isn't it, what people have become..so enslaved by the
> capitalist
> > > world that they forfeit their lives. This is what they call freedom.
> Sounds
> > > free to you, doesn't it? It's all a facade really. Freedom is myth.
> >
> > "Man is free, yet is everywhere in chains..."
> >
> > Anyone remember who said that?
> >
> > > Ultimately, what it comes down to is that you should be lucky you have a
> > > good dad... a lot of people don't. I agree with that line in Parenthood
> "You
> > > need a license to own a gun, even to drive a car..but any moron can
> become a
> > > parent" ...
> >
> > The worst ones are the apathetic ones who expect society, their peers,
> > their teachers, the media, etc. do their work for them instead of
> > directly being involved with their childrens' lives. The ideal parent
> > should exert direct responsibility for their children until they are old
> > enough to care for themselves.
>
> And who decides how old that is? Is there a test.
There's no specific age. Once you feel they've matured enough and are
smart enough to make the right decisions you can be equals. Until then,
a child must realise that he cannot be his own boss.
Adnan B.
MDMA boy
engineering and political correctness. My kids are gettin raised old
school- you know, where they have to go pick the branch off the tree to get
switched- and they better not bring back one thats too small!
"Adnan" <be...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> Kids these days are just too spoiled to appreciate anything.
>
Someone Important
: school- you know, where they have to go pick the branch off the tree to get
: switched- and they better not bring back one thats too small!
I remember trying that once with my dad many moons ago.. It didn't work!!!
::)
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Wojo
>I feel badly for the kid who's dad bought him Vice City that day.
>I mean, he got a pretty goddamned cool game, but he also got a dad
>who doesn't know what the fuck the game is all about.
That was surprisingly good. It's rare for me to see a post this long
and actually enjoy it.
I don't know for certain if I agree with the POV of the writer, though
I understand it, but it certainly was well written. Should have been
posted in a creative writing group.
Wojo
Wojo
>lol I found that entertaining.
>
>Personally, if I have DVD's, video game or computer stuff or any other kind
>of hardware that I want for xmas or my birthday, I know my mom won't get it
>right, so I print out a list of things I want, complete with pictures and
>the estimated prices. That kind of helps, though she usually ends up asking
>me to just buy it for her.
I'm not a kid, I'm 30, but giftcards are the answer, man. I want
Splinter Cell. I told my mother about it as a gift idea. I know she
barely has the concept of email down at this point, as I live 600
miles from her and barely had time to teach her the basics when I got
her set up, so I think it might be tough for her to find a specific
game that I want. So I told her that if it proved to be any trouble
to get me a gift card from Media Play or Best Buy or Wal-Mart.
Whatever. I'll get the game. And it won't be Spindler Nel for PSX.
;)
Wojo
Wojo
>lol yeah same.
>
>althought i feel sorry for my parents, becouse they are not very technicl
>minded and they have so many other things to organise for xmas and the tree
>and the food. ect, ect, ect.
>
>just my thoughts :)
Very "technicl", these thoughts of yours.
Wojo
Wojo
>
><zack_b...@email.com> wrote in message
>news:f3c08532.02122...@posting.google.com...
>> Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>>
><snip!>
>
>> Okay, for those of you who read this far, the fucking point of this
>> is,
>> when did our parents become so blindly fucking dispossessed with
>> what our fucking lives are like?
>
>Since their snivelling, ungrateful, arrogant, shir-for-brains kids started
>showing absoultely fuck all respect for them, or any gratitude for anything
>their parents do, or buy for them, be it computer games, clothing, food, or
>whatever.
I agree with this part.
>
>You should be fucking grateful if your parents buy you ANYTHING and that
>they have jobs which they earn money FOR YOU and that they are fit and
>healthy enough to look after YOU. If you are still living at home with
>someone providing everything for you and looking out for you then you are in
>fucking HEAVEN and you are too fucking shortsighted and ungrateful to
>realise it.
I agree with this part.
>
>Parents are NOT there to be your friends, they arent there to share your
>interests in music or video games (if they do, then yes, you're lucky).
>Parents are there to look after you and care for you and provide YOU with a
>fucking roof over your head, so get the fuck used to it and be GRATEFUL
>because when you eventually grow up and enter the REAL world, where you dont
>have someone providing everything for you, i am guessing it is gonna hit you
>like a fucking ton of bricks.
>
>Just my opinion. Take it or leave it, I dont care either way!
This is the part where I have issue, even though I mostly agree with
this part too. You see...as I read it...the point of the post you're
so stuck on seeing the negative in was this: Parents who don't give a
rats' ass about their kids or their well-being. Parents who buy Vice
City because it's "popular" without having a clue what the contents of
the game are. Parents who refuse to consider the value of Drowning
Pool or any other current band they don't understand even though few
adults in their childhood began to understand the Stones. The
indifferent and lazy attitude carried by so many parents today has run
rampant and we, the "other adults" look at kids today as though they
were a horrible insect burrowing into society to suck it dry of all
that's good. *My* parents had more involvement in my life than the
parents of most kids today...and the result is the infestation of
"punks" we seem to think we see now. This kid is saying that if a
parent doesn't give a fuck what his son sees, does, experiences, or
enjoys, then they have no right to complain about what he becomes.
Period.
Wojo
Wojo
>> > > Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>> > >
>> > <snipped long and labourious post>
>> >
>> > I take it you don't approve of Vice City then?
>> >
>> > Did your kid kill someone?
>>
>> What are you, stupid? Did you even read the whole post?
>> You've got to have a goddamned boner between your ears
>> you neolithic dipshit. i don't even know what the fuck you're
>> talking about, you damned gibbering assmonkey.
>>
>> Read the fucking post before you comment.
>>
>> And just to clarify, Vice City is an excellent game!
>
>Well I started reading it but then I realised that life is just far too
>short.
You've been shat out. Just thought I'd let you know.
Wojo
Wojo
>> Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>
>after this sentence your story got boring.
>Can someone give a small summary and tell me if it was funny ?
It was considerably more entertaining than *your* post.
Wojo
Wojo
>Fuckin' A! The liberals have made child-rearing and exercise in social
>engineering and political correctness. My kids are gettin raised old
>school- you know, where they have to go pick the branch off the tree to get
>switched- and they better not bring back one thats too small!
Yeah. That's teachin' 'em, Earl!
Wojo
Whop 'em, I say!
Wojo
>Heh.... people said the same thing about kids 2000 years ago (it's
>documented) and no doubt back as far as there have been modern humans.
>Some things never change.
Yeah. Wasn't that when the original Mortal Combat raised such a
cacophony?
Wojo
Wojo
>Kids these days are just too spoiled to appreciate anything. They don't
>realise that there are other kids less fortunate than they are and
>should feel happy about what they've got instead of always asking for
>more. And you don't reward a kid who acts like shit. That's called
>reinforcement. If you are a parent, you're not supposed to behave like a
>friend to your kid. Of course you can be kind and nice to him, but you
>should always remember that you are his parent and you're responsible
>for raising that kid. At the same time, from a kid's perspective, if he
>sees his mother or father behaving like his friend, this will also give
>him the impression that he's allowed to behave the same way as he would
>with a friend (talk back, to shout, to disobey etc..). It's better to
>remind your kids that you are the leader in the house (by acting like
>one), instead of undermining this authority by acting like your kid's
>equal and bowing to his every demand.
Well said. What's it have to do with the original post that Owen
disagreed with, though? This kid was pointing out that it was the
PARENT that didn't "give a shit", and he was right, few do. I'm a
father of three. I have a plethora of young employees, and EVERY
SINGLE ONE OF THEM is a fan of GTA. That being the case, what kind of
parenting is being done? I'm not saying they shouldn't, at 17, be
able to play GTA...I was involved in worse at that age, but parents
allow this sort of entertainment BLINDLY these days. That's a fact.
Kids do whatever they want because they're ALLOWED to do whatever they
want...and it seems to be the assumption that they're too naive to
take advantage of the situation. They're not. They have. They win.
You lose. It sucks. Fuck-fuckity-fuck-fuck. (token)
>
>And to come back to the topic of consumerism: This is not only a kids
>problem these days either. I've noticed that in the last 10 years,
>consumerism has become even more important than it ever has in the past,
>to the point that it's not only kids that behave this way but people my
>age and older (20s) as well.
Behave *what* way, exactly? Play video games? Listen to music
loudly? Or act immature and selfishly? In *my* experience people
have *always* done those things.
Wojo
Who has patience for youth
Wojo
>> > Imagine, if you are under the age of say, 35, the following scenario.
>>
>> after this sentence your story got boring.
>> Can someone give a small summary and tell me if it was funny ?
>>
>
>Well to be honest I'm confused by it. In the first half of the post he
>seemed to be an adult who was angry at ungrateful kids. In the second half
>he seemed to be an ungrateful kid who was angry at adults.
>
>My guess is that he's an ungrateful snivelling kid who is basically angry at
>the fact his daddy doesnt understand his "need" for Grand Theft Auto or some
>other game that would fill a hole in his vaccuous existance.
Hmmm...you need some reading comprehension skills. When you use words
like "vacuous" you display an underwhelming ability to use a
thesaurus, but when you so clearly have a hard time understanding such
a simply written post, you come across, to me at least, as a moron.
He didn't speak of any need for GTA. He spoke of a parents'
willingness to blindly purchase such a questionable game for his kid
just *because* he wants it without considering the ramifications of
that action. These are two *very* different things. What's the
thesaurus give you as an option for the word "ignorant", anyway?
>
>Summary: An adolescent rant.
>Funny: No, more like SAD.
>
>Judging from the blatant cross-posting I think he's a troll. I sholdnt
>have bitten really but never mind.
He might be...he might be. But he's a damned good one if that's the
case.
Wojo
Wojo
>Do yourself a favor and shove a large meatball in your mouth before
>you speak, because until you learn not to pass judgements on people
>you don't know, you continue to sound like a fucking dump truck full of shit.
I think I'm the only adult in here who likes you, Zack. You've been
brought up well.
Wojo
Wojo
>> He's not my friend - by any means no fucking way - but he's totally
>> into having fun and discovering what's new in the world.
>>
>> I feel badly for the kid who's dad bought him Vice City that day.
>> I mean, he got a pretty goddamned cool game, but he also got a dad
>> who doesn't know what the fuck the game is all about.
>>
>
>Ah, teen angst. You want your parents to be cool and care about you,
>but not too close. Maybe when you're 28 you'll get the picture.
>
>You're right though about parents being oblivious to their children.
>Most parents (hell, people for that matter) don't have the energy to
>sacrifice their careers or pursuits to take care or care for somebody
>else.
>
>Now for the morals:
>1. Parents - don't dump your kids at daycare all day and then dump
>them in front of the game console when they are teens. Take an active
>role in their lives from day 1. Bonus points for one parent giving up
>their career to raise them when they are really young and
>impressionable.
>
>2. Kids - don't think your situation is so utterely dire that your
>parents can't possibly understand, knock it off. WE ALL WERE TEENS AT
>ONE TIME! Part of your situation is hormones, part of it is finding
>out how the socio-economical part of the world works. A lot of it is
>finding out that there is a lot of crappy things that happen in the
>world. Just remember, the world is what you make of it. No shit.
>There is a whole lot of good out there, you just need to make it a
>priority over dwelling on the bad stuff.
>
>3. Somebody mentioned consumerism, that's no joke. Corporate America
>is looking to the teen demographic and trying to milk that market for
>all its worth. If you start to fall into that trap, of course your
>life is gonna seem worthless like that poor sap you saw in the store.
>Get your parents or take your kids camping or something, anything,
>that doesn't pay homage to some corporate giant. Say, isn't there a
>good children's book about Christmas and a furry green freak that
>struggles over the same issue we're talking about?
Yes!!!!!
Better than the thread starting post!!!
I love intellectuals!
Wojo
Wojo
>>you hear "LET THA BODIES HIT THA FLO'!" by Drowning Pool.
>>
>>Or maybe it's a Korn song.
>>Or Marilyn Manson.
>>Or fucking Puff Daddy.
>>Again, who gives a shit.
>
>
>Your son's taste in music is shit.
>Teach him a lesson.
Your mom's lessons in reading were shit.
Kill her.
Wojo
Wojo
>hec...@hotmail.com (Hecubas) writes:
>
>> Most parents (hell, people for that matter) don't have the energy to
>> sacrifice their careers or pursuits to take care or care for somebody
>> else.
>
>For some of us, our careers _are_ the sacrifice we make for our
>children. I would much rather stay at home, spend most of my time with
>the kids, but you know what? They also need a roof over their heads,
>food on the table, and clothes on their backs.
And a day-care all day, and video games and DVD's all night, and not a
book to be found in the house...
Other than the Wall Street Journal...no reading materials at all, most
likely.
Wojo
Wojo
>"Greg Riicketts" <Gric...@woh.rr.com> writes:
>
>> What does your wife do during the day? Greg.
>
>Now that the boys are both in school, she teaches pre-school. Her
>hours match those of the youngest, and help cover the high costs of
>private school.
>
>Not everyone is as lucky as we are -- to have one person who makes
>enough to mostly carry the household. Also, some children only have
>one full-time parent (I did when I was growing up), and to say that
>the primary caregiver is selfish to work hard at a career is unfair
>and judgemental.
Well...the silver lining is that you're not the common form of crappy
parent. You're a whole different and rather rare form of crappy
parent.
But make no mistake...you're still a crappy parent.
Your child goes to private school...how wonderful for him/her. He/she
is educated better than 95% of the nation automatically! His/her
social skills are a notch below average, to be sure, but he/she is
certainly educated! An interesting thing to me is, though, that this
is a bundle of video game forums...and you're in them. I can't
imagine that you're the person you're implying that you are and that
you also hang out in video game forums. I think if you can explain
why that is, I can tear apart your entire scenario and prove that
you're either A) A liar or B) Another version of the guy Zack was
referring to. If I can prove neither I'm confident I can still prove
you're a crappy parent.
Wojo
Nick Vargish
> But make no mistake...you're still a crappy parent.
You seem very, very bitter. I'm sorry about that, and whatever
happened to you to make you so angry. That doesn't mean you get to
make judgements like this.
> Your child goes to private school...how wonderful for him/her. He/she
> is educated better than 95% of the nation automatically!
Really? That's neat. I hadn't heard that was a feature of private
schools! I always figured that our children will be better educated
than most because we take an active interest in their learning.
> His/her social skills are a notch below average, to be sure,
Comprared to your polite and courteous mode of discourse?
> I can't imagine that you're the person you're implying that you are
> and that you also hang out in video game forums.
You have a very limited imagination, then. I'm not sure why enjoying
video games is contradictory to being an involved parent. I actually
do have time on my own, not a lot, but enough to have a few interests
of my own. And video games happen to be something I share with my
children. I'm hoping it will continue to be an interest we can pursue
together.
> I think if you can explain why that is, I can tear apart your entire
> scenario and prove that you're either A) A liar or B) Another
> version of the guy Zack was referring to.
I'm not sure how you can prove I'm a liar, since everything I've said
has been the truth. Now I'm curious how you have enough knowlege about
me to show I'm a different version of the person Zack posted
about. Put your money where your mouth is, and go for it...
> If I can prove neither I'm confident I can still prove you're a
> crappy parent.
And this is so important to you... why? Or are we back to your
bitterness?
Wojo
>
>
>You seem very, very bitter. I'm sorry about that, and whatever
>happened to you to make you so angry. That doesn't mean you get to
>make judgements like this.
Ahhh...quick to judge, as most people in this thread, I see you are.
Did that sound like something Yoda would say? It doesn't
matter...I've gone off on a tangent. No. I'm not very, very bitter,
or very bitter, or even bitter. Well...maybe a bit bitter. I'm
bitter about people who cast aspersions, point fingers, and seem to
think they can solve society's problems by blaming the youth rather
than the source of the average youth...the parents.
>
>> Your child goes to private school...how wonderful for him/her. He/she
>> is educated better than 95% of the nation automatically!
>
>Really? That's neat. I hadn't heard that was a feature of private
>schools! I always figured that our children will be better educated
>than most because we take an active interest in their learning.
LOL! If that's the case WTF are you doing making your wife work
rather than taking a more active role in their lives by being home
with them...or being home with them yourself? What have they to gain
from private school if NOT a better education?
>
>> His/her social skills are a notch below average, to be sure,
>
>Comprared to your polite and courteous mode of discourse?
Very nice point. But using the tone I used I also got your attention,
which is to say, my social skills aren't truly lacking as you assume
they are. I've managed to engage *you* socially, have I not? If I'm
lacking, then so are you. I'd like to stick out my tongue and do a
slurber right now, but I don't think I'd need the added special effect
to make my point.
>
>> I can't imagine that you're the person you're implying that you are
>> and that you also hang out in video game forums.
>
>You have a very limited imagination, then.
Actually you'd be surprised by my imagination. I can imagine gyrating
corpses, which, as I've been told, doesn't make sense. My imagination
is pretty well intact.
>I'm not sure why enjoying
>video games is contradictory to being an involved parent. I actually
>do have time on my own, not a lot, but enough to have a few interests
>of my own. And video games happen to be something I share with my
>children. I'm hoping it will continue to be an interest we can pursue
>together.
Yeah? Your point is? I also am a parent. An involved parent. AND I
enjoy video games, thus my interest in these forums. However, being
the video-game-astute individual that you are (you must be to be
willing to learn all about the existence of USENET so that you might
discuss your favorite titles and debate important social and moral
topics) you should have been able to read the original post as it was
intended. You were not. Instead you focused on your "need to work"
in order to raise a family and "put a roof over their heads". That's
old school...and it's bullshit. I don't take issue with you
working...or with your wife working. I take issue with your need to
post a defense of it. If you're as good a father as you claim, then
you don't need a defense...your kids will be defense enough. By
defending yourself against Zack, then you're disagreeing with the
point Zack was making...which is that parents don't give a fuck about
what their kids do.
>
>> I think if you can explain why that is, I can tear apart your entire
>> scenario and prove that you're either A) A liar or B) Another
>> version of the guy Zack was referring to.
>
>I'm not sure how you can prove I'm a liar, since everything I've said
>has been the truth. Now I'm curious how you have enough knowlege about
>me to show I'm a different version of the person Zack posted
>about. Put your money where your mouth is, and go for it...
Is this a Pay-Pal endorsed newsgroup? How'm I to put my "money where
my mouth is"? On Usenet, Nick, all we have are words. And your words
will be compared eternally through Google to my words. So far you've
not given me any reason to think you're not a crappy parent, though.
Let's see what the harrowed halls of Deja think. I mean
Google...sorry...showed my age there, didn't I?
>
>> If I can prove neither I'm confident I can still prove you're a
>> crappy parent.
>
>And this is so important to you... why? Or are we back to your
>bitterness?
No...just back to my interest in making posts that make people read
them and say "good show, boy-o". I can't seem to break that habit,
Nick.
Wojo
Paul Heslop
You're not saying that intelligent, successful and/or rich people don't
hang out on the web are you? And why shouldn't they enjoy writing and
reading about games if that's what their thing is?
--
Paul. (I am so smart. I am so smart. SMRT.. I mean SMART...)
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words and pictures
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
Nick Vargish
> LOL! If that's the case WTF are you doing making your wife work
> rather than taking a more active role in their lives by being home
> with them...
I don't make my wife work; she wanted to go back to work, now that the
children are in school. And her work hours are in line with the school
hours of the youngest child. Again, you're jumping to a lot of
conclusions... You don't know us at all, if you think I can or would
"make" my wife do anything.
> Very nice point. But using the tone I used I also got your attention,
> which is to say, my social skills aren't truly lacking as you assume
> they are.
You can also get my attention by throwing a rock at my car, that
doesn't require a lot of social skills either. Your method of attack
dialogue is similar in its subtlety and cleverness.
> Yeah? Your point is? I also am a parent. An involved parent. AND I
> enjoy video games, thus my interest in these forums.
Ah, but if _I'm_ reading the newsgroups, that means you can prove I'm
a bad parent? Looks like a pot-kettle-black situation to me... Or are
you implying that you're a "crappy parent" and it takes one to know
one?
> ... you should have been able to read the original post as it was
> intended. You were not.
Actually, I read the original post, and wasn't all that
impressed. Wow, there are parents out there who don't keep up with all
their children's interests. Imagine my shock and surprise.
> Instead you focused on your "need to work" in order to raise a
> family and "put a roof over their heads". That's old school...and
> it's bullshit.
And saying my wife should stay home with the children _isn't_ old
school? You're just a bundle of contradictions.
> By defending yourself against Zack, then you're disagreeing with the
> point Zack was making...which is that parents don't give a fuck
> about what their kids do.
In other words, if I disagree with what Zack said, then I've proved
his point... That's a pretty lame line of reasoning, and hardly a way
to conduct a discussion.
> Is this a Pay-Pal endorsed newsgroup? How'm I to put my "money where
> my mouth is"?
It's a poker term meaning, "show your cards, big talker." Learn some
figures of speech, not everything said is meant literally.
> So far you've not given me any reason to think you're not a crappy
> parent, though.
Um, that's hardly proving I _am_ a crappy parent, but I figured you
were just full of bluff and bluster from your other posts in this
thread.
SINNER
> Nick Vargish sayeth the followingeth:
>>
>>> But make no mistake...you're still a crappy parent.
>>
>>You seem very, very bitter. I'm sorry about that, and whatever
>>happened to you to make you so angry. That doesn't mean you get to
>>make judgements like this.
>
> Ahhh...quick to judge, as most people in this thread,
as you are, note above " I can still prove your a crappy parent" you know
nothing about the poster or his children, Idd say that your as quick to
judge as you claim not to be.
> I see you are.
> Did that sound like something Yoda would say? It doesn't
> matter...I've gone off on a tangent. No. I'm not very, very bitter,
> or very bitter, or even bitter. Well...maybe a bit bitter. I'm
> bitter about people who cast aspersions, point fingers, and seem to
> think they can solve society's problems by blaming the youth rather
> than the source of the average youth...the parents.
>>
[SNIP]
>>Really? That's neat. I hadn't heard that was a feature of private
>>schools! I always figured that our children will be better educated
>>than most because we take an active interest in their learning.
>
> LOL! If that's the case WTF are you doing making your wife work
> rather than taking a more active role in their lives by being home
> with them...or being home with them yourself? What have they to gain
> from private school if NOT a better education?
cant say I disagree with this point as I have made this one in my argument
as well.
>>
>>> His/her social skills are a notch below average, to be sure,
>>
>>Comprared to your polite and courteous mode of discourse?
>
> Very nice point. But using the tone I used I also got your attention,
> which is to say, my social skills aren't truly lacking as you assume
> they are.
I can get your attention by screaming fore in a crowded movie theater,
that dosent make me a socialite.
> I've managed to engage *you* socially, have I not? If I'm
> lacking, then so are you. I'd like to stick out my tongue and do a
> slurber right now, but I don't think I'd need the added special effect
> to make my point.
>>
[SNIP]
> Yeah? Your point is? I also am a parent. An involved parent. AND I
> enjoy video games, thus my interest in these forums. However, being
> the video-game-astute individual that you are (you must be to be
> willing to learn all about the existence of USENET so that you might
> discuss your favorite titles and debate important social and moral
> topics) you should have been able to read the original post as it was
> intended. You were not.
as noted by many that HAVE read the post, the writer was unlear as to his
feelings and it could only be determined after the entire post was read
that it was a childish rant. The parent said the kid was a TEENAGER this
is inclusive of 17,18 and 19 all of which IMNSHO are quite capable of
knowing the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality. As
age was never mentioned, the thing he "noticed" was nothing abnormal and
he made a judgement on circumstancial evidence. The world has enough
lawyers we dont need any more bad ones.
> Instead you focused on your "need to work"
> in order to raise a family and "put a roof over their heads". That's
> old school...and it's bullshit. I don't take issue with you
> working...or with your wife working. I take issue with your need to
> post a defense of it. If you're as good a father as you claim, then
> you don't need a defense...your kids will be defense enough. By
> defending yourself against Zack, then you're disagreeing with the
> point Zack was making...which is that parents don't give a fuck about
> what their kids do.
See above, not true.
>>
>>> I think if you can explain why that is, I can tear apart your entire
>>> scenario and prove that you're either A) A liar or B) Another
>>> version of the guy Zack was referring to.
>>
>>I'm not sure how you can prove I'm a liar, since everything I've said
>>has been the truth. Now I'm curious how you have enough knowlege about
>>me to show I'm a different version of the person Zack posted
>>about. Put your money where your mouth is, and go for it...
>
> Is this a Pay-Pal endorsed newsgroup? How'm I to put my "money where
> my mouth is"? On Usenet, Nick, all we have are words. And your words
> will be compared eternally through Google to my words. So far you've
> not given me any reason to think you're not a crappy parent, though.
> Let's see what the harrowed halls of Deja think. I mean
> Google...sorry...showed my age there, didn't I?
again with the judgeing?
>>
>>> If I can prove neither I'm confident I can still prove you're a
>>> crappy parent.
>>
>>And this is so important to you... why? Or are we back to your
>>bitterness?
>
> No...just back to my interest in making posts that make people read
> them and say "good show, boy-o". I can't seem to break that habit,
> Nick.
that is a pretty bad thing [TM], so you thrive on the approval of total
strangers?
> --
> http://www.wojo.da.ru
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SINNER
seen:
> Um, that's hardly proving I _am_ a crappy parent, but I figured you
> were just full of bluff and bluster from your other posts in this
> thread.
and he spent all christmas day responding to threads, shouldnt he have
been with his family :P~
zack_b...@email.com
Thanks, Wojo...
Anybody into billiards is a friends of mine. Good looking kids, Wojo! Nicely done!
zack_b...@email.com
I've read all of your goddamned, know-it-all, sticky fingered
responses
and here are "the writer's" thoughts.
1. Owen - the most personified example of a dink I've ever seen.
2. Wojo... these words: "good show, boy-o";
3. The term "troll." Most of you neolithic gladiator dipshits
obviously
don't understand what this fucking word means. The fact I am called
a "troll" makes my asshole smile wider than William S. Burroughs
eating a pound of nutmeg. (only the literary few will get that one).
4. The lot of you Boris Becker-pecker-checkers need to learn to
observe
the way the player plays the game before you call him "ugly." What I
mean
is that you need to read the whole post before you fucking reply. You
sound like a goddamned felching transvestite at a fucking Bolemia
Convention.
If the post is longer that history itself, like mine, then move on.
Don't reply.
Ignore it. Walk away. or just continue spanking your BallPark™ instead
of
offering your ill-conceived, irrelevent feedback.
5. Those of you alter-ego Supermen out there who feel bigger,
stronger,
and able to say things while you're anonymous, ought to hang a fucking
mirror over your goddamned monitor to remind you of who you TRULY are.
With me, I'm this obnoxious outside of the internet. If you met me and
said, "You're obviously a teenager who lacks attention" I'd tell you,
to your
face, that you ought to stop scrubbing cock and invest in a hooker cuz
you're obviously more tight than the sphincter muscles of a gyrating
corpse. (only readers of the entire thread will understand that one).
6. Lastly, let this thread retire with these final words.
Anybody replying from here on in is just looking for abuse or has a
serious need to get the last word in.
And that's fine. That's why this fucking board is here.
George Lucas
no idea WTF your site is about. its called dreamcast (a gaming console) yet
has a whole bunch of artwork (the only stuff i looked at)? why not just have
the word "artwork" be a link instead of wasting my valuable time loading the
absolutely GAY click here icon. I suggest you learn a little HTML get rid of
all the gay little animations (the mark of a true newbie webpage designer)
and title of the page a little more descriptive than "index". Also when you
name your site. make sure you name it something that pertains to what it has
on it. I do commend you on having no ads! but the javascript error is VERY
annoying. and please, its painful enough with the long load time but WTF is
with those little flamey things on the left & right of ur logo? I suggest
you do a search on good web design and try to make ur site ALOT better.
Paul Heslop
Answered via email... but you really ought to get some glasses mate
before you insinuate that my sig is a link to a dreamcast site :O)
George Lucas
something like "ye old pauls artwork stuffs" instead of the name of a good
console. Remember internet users are dumb (VERY dumb) and stuff like that
confuses them. I'm no trying to be mean i'm just trying to help your site
out. if you have any questions or comments email me at
clown_in...@zwallet.com.nospam just remove the .nospam
Paul Heslop
:O) It's called Dreamst8me, not Dreamcast. The only reason it has the
me bit on the end is that dreamst8 was already taken. I did reply to
your email and I am grateful for any pointers.
It's been called Dreamst8 for a loooong time btw, I wanted it to sound
like dreams, rather than art...
--
Paul. (I am so smart. I am so smart. SMRT.. I mean SMART...)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Art for art's sake.
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
Nick Vargish
> :O) It's called Dreamst8me, not Dreamcast.
This thread has finally started cracking me up!
BTW, all this attention seems to have put your site over it's transfer
limit... Sorry, Paul. :^)
Paul Heslop
>
> Paul Heslop <paul....@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
> > :O) It's called Dreamst8me, not Dreamcast.
>
> This thread has finally started cracking me up!
>
> BTW, all this attention seems to have put your site over it's transfer
> limit... Sorry, Paul. :^)
>
> Nick
>
zack_b...@email.com
> Paul Heslop <paul....@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
> > :O) It's called Dreamst8me, not Dreamcast.
>
> This thread has finally started cracking me up!
>
> BTW, all this attention seems to have put your site over it's transfer
> limit... Sorry, Paul. :^)
>
> Nick
Ummm... excuse me, sorry to butt in on your lovely conversation, but,
would you bananaheads mind staying on the fucking thread topic?
Otherwise, why don't you pimply pickle-lickers go get a goddamned room
and discuss your fucking dreamst8 there? ba-jeezuss!!!
George Lucas
Paul Heslop
and what, perchance, was the thread about? I kinda lost it sometimes
around the start of WWWIII
Nick Vargish
> Ummm... excuse me, sorry to butt in on your lovely conversation, but,
> would you bananaheads mind staying on the fucking thread topic?
Welcome to Usenet, pal.
> Otherwise, why don't you pimply pickle-lickers go get a goddamned room
> and discuss your fucking dreamst8 there? ba-jeezuss!!!
Awww, is your precious thread being stepped on by us? Go e-mail
someone who cares.
zack_b...@email.com
> zack_b...@email.com writes:
>
> > Ummm... excuse me, sorry to butt in on your lovely conversation, but,
> > would you bananaheads mind staying on the fucking thread topic?
>
> Welcome to Usenet, pal.
>
> > Otherwise, why don't you pimply pickle-lickers go get a goddamned room
> > and discuss your fucking dreamst8 there? ba-jeezuss!!!
>
> Awww, is your precious thread being stepped on by us? Go e-mail
> someone who cares.
>
> Nick
Gosh, Nick, with such apathy going on, how is it that you maintain
such a staunch position as a corking manhole? I mean, seriously,
don't you need to have some kind of connection with your womanly side
to be a valuable "catcher" for your team?
What I observe from your bold & powerful retorts, is that you obviously
have a firm grip on your manhood. A very firm grip.
Better keep some towels close by.
sheesh.
.·°^°-.+Nick S+.-°^°·.
admit.
Mike
priorities messed up! Some games are downright sick (running people down
ect..!) I don't want to hear from any Kids! Please use your system wisely
(2 hours a day max.. holidays and one hour max shooldays).Why.. kids gain no
value in life from overuse of gaming. After you time on the system, read a
book, even for leisure. When kids get to HS, or even college, the criteria
will not be "what was your High Score" on Grand Theft Auto!"
Mike
"Paul Heslop" <paul....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3E0C3105...@blueyonder.co.uk...
Paul Heslop
Lost me there Mike... which of us were you talking to and how did you
get onto children playing video games? Did you answer the wrong post?
--
Paul. (I think I'm dumb or maybe just happy...)
daphne_bee
When kids get to HS, or even college, the criteria will not be "what
was your High Score" on Grand Theft Auto!"
Mike
===
I'm trying to imagine the college board reviewing a young man's test
results saying, "hmmm, his SAT scores were a bit low, but D*MN! Check
out these Sick Scores from Tony Hawk 3... This guy's GOOD!! We need
him!!!"
hehehe!! I think this was really well put, Mike! Nice post.
xo
db