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Jrpj1

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does anyone accually know what the clan names mean?I know a few
lasombra comes from las sombra(spanish for vampire)
brujah is latin meaning to fight
nosferatu is bulgarian or something for Vampire(there is a similar latin word
wich means like wiked or evil)
Tremere means To shake or tremble in latin
gangel means Vampire in something(i think)
thats all I can remember right now of what i did know.
what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
anywhere
-Pat
(P.S. Anyone who knows the rest PLEASE PLEASE email me, t'anks)
"People don't kill people, Landmines do!"-Victim
Ban Landmines people becuase when I'm on the beach i would rather lose my leg
to a shark!


mrbo...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <199809091915...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

jr...@aol.com (Jrpj1) wrote:
> does anyone accually know what the clan names mean?I know a few
> lasombra comes from las sombra(spanish for vampire)
> brujah is latin meaning to fight
> nosferatu is bulgarian or something for Vampire(there is a similar latin word
> wich means like wiked or evil)
> Tremere means To shake or tremble in latin
> gangel means Vampire in something(i think)

Gangrel is old English for "Wanderer"

> thats all I can remember right now of what i did know.
> what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
> anywhere

Ventrue has something to do with being wealthy (I forget the exact
translation) it means "large bellied" in French too

Malkavian, I've been told is Russian or Slavic for someone who is unstable or
insane, although I'm not one hundred percent sure about that.

Actually about a year ago someone posted the roots of all the clans on
whiteowlf's bulletin board on their site, does WW still have that thing?


> -Pat
> (P.S. Anyone who knows the rest PLEASE PLEASE email me, t'anks)
> "People don't kill people, Landmines do!"-Victim
> Ban Landmines people becuase when I'm on the beach i would rather lose my leg
> to a shark!
>
>

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Doctor Edward Alexander Michaelson

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Jrpj1 wrote:
>
> does anyone accually know what the clan names mean?I know a few

I have put some thought into the matter, but am still left
short on many.

> lasombra comes from las sombra(spanish for vampire)

Couldn't comment.

> brujah is latin meaning to fight

I understood it meant "witch". No habla espanol (or something).

> nosferatu is bulgarian or something for Vampire(there is a similar latin word
> wich means like wiked or evil)

It is a common word applied to our kind by mortals, hence the
film of the same name (showing some odd similarities), but I
do not know the origin.

> Tremere means To shake or tremble in latin

Yes.

> gangel means Vampire in something(i think)

It is English, and is an adjective meaning "vagabond" as I recall.

> thats all I can remember right now of what i did know.

You missed Toreador - I'm fairly sure it means bull-fighter (I
fail to see the connection).

> what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
> anywhere

The former is discussed quite well at the Malkavian Web Page
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~alik/
and the latter would translate into the French wind (vent) road (rue),
although I have heard Windbag before now.

The Followers of Set get their name from the Egyptian god Set, and
Giovanni is Italian for John. I have heard it said that Tzimisce is
some sort of stew, but I think that a bit odd.

Does anyone else know?

> -Pat

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Computer: a device designed to speed and automate errors.

Kevin Pople

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Doctor Edward Alexander Michaelson <madmal...@geocities.com> wrote in
article <35F7C388...@geocities.com>...


> Jrpj1 wrote:
> >
> > does anyone accually know what the clan names mean?I know a few
>
> I have put some thought into the matter, but am still left
> short on many.
>
> > lasombra comes from las sombra(spanish for vampire)
>
> Couldn't comment.
>
> > brujah is latin meaning to fight
>
> I understood it meant "witch". No habla espanol (or something).
>

Yes I have heard that one as well



> You missed Toreador - I'm fairly sure it means bull-fighter (I
> fail to see the connection).

> The Followers of Set get their name from the Egyptian god Set, and
> Giovanni is Italian for John. I have heard it said that Tzimisce is
> some sort of stew, but I think that a bit odd.

Tzimisce is a Russian (or Slavic) word which would roughly translate as
Goblin. Van Helsing uses it in the FF Coppola Dracula.

Cappadocia is an area of What is now Turkey IIRC.

Kev

Istvan Batory
Tzimisce
(And highly insulted, although the Man/Bat looked good)

mrbo...@my-dejanews.com

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> > nosferatu is bulgarian or something for Vampire(there is a similar latin
word
> > wich means like wiked or evil)
>
> It is a common word applied to our kind by mortals, hence the
> film of the same name (showing some odd similarities), but I
> do not know the origin.
>

> You missed Toreador - I'm fairly sure it means bull-fighter (I


> fail to see the connection).

I believe a Toreador is the bullfighter who comes out and puts on a show and
enteretains the crowd by poking, prodding and annoying the bull making it
angry enough for the matador to fight

>
> > what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
> > anywhere
>

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LizzieW82

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mrbo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

<Snipage>

>> You missed Toreador - I'm fairly sure it means bull-fighter (I
>> fail to see the connection).
>
>I believe a Toreador is the bullfighter who comes out and puts on a show and
>enteretains the crowd by poking, prodding and annoying the bull making it
>angry enough for the matador to fight

Hmm, sounds like a Harpy to me. Hell, sounds like just about any Toreador
I've met, 'cept Valkyrie. But I guess you could call her the Matador.

>> > what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
>> > anywhere

I'd always heard that Malkav was the name of the founder of Clan Malkavian.
And over the years, anymeaning it may have gained was associated with the deeds
of the clan.

The Piper, anon
Obsessed by a fairy tale, we spend our lives searching for a magic door and a
lost kingdom of peace. --eugene o'neill

Jrpj1

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i learned most of what I heard from all of you last night,from a latin teacher.
Brujah can't be latin, for there is no "J" anyone know about Werewolf,Mage, or
Wraith names(most of them are easy)What about Common Vampire terms
antedulivan(spelling) letterally translates from latin as "before the flood"
Elysium is difficult cuase in latin it would mean the same as in english(so
says teach's dictonary)
anyone know the latin name for vampire?
'sall for now
-Patrick

Jrpj1

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got more questions.samedi.sulbri.'nuff said?
-patrick

david mills

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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Jrpj1 wrote:
>
> got more questions.samedi.sulbri.'nuff said?

there is a baron samedi in one fo the james bond movies... named after a
voodoo god, i think.

this post was brought to you today by the letters a and g and the number
42.

Sauron

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Sep 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/12/98
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Werewolf tribes:
Get of Fenris is taken from the supernatural Fenris from Norse mythology. He
was a big, bad wolf who was held captive under a big mountain after he was
caught. He is said to come loose on the day of Ragnarok (Armageddon, Gehanna
etc)

Fianna comes from the Faerie name of faerie, which is Fianna.

Jrpj1 wrote in message <199809101918...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...


>i learned most of what I heard from all of you last night,from a latin
teacher.
>Brujah can't be latin, for there is no "J" anyone know about Werewolf,Mage,
or
>Wraith names(most of them are easy)What about Common Vampire terms
>antedulivan(spelling) letterally translates from latin as "before the
flood"
>Elysium is difficult cuase in latin it would mean the same as in english(so
>says teach's dictonary)
>anyone know the latin name for vampire?
>'sall for now
>-Patrick

Casey Caston

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Sep 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/12/98
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In article <35F7C388...@geocities.com>, Doctor Edward Alexander
Michaelson <madmal...@geocities.com> wrote:

> Jrpj1 wrote:
<snip>


> > lasombra comes from las sombra(spanish for vampire)

Actually, it's la sombra, "the shadow".

>
> > brujah is latin meaning to fight
>
> I understood it meant "witch". No habla espanol (or something).>
>

> > nosferatu is bulgarian or something for Vampire(there is a similar
latin word
> > wich means like wiked or evil)
>
> It is a common word applied to our kind by mortals, hence the
> film of the same name (showing some odd similarities), but I
> do not know the origin.

It is a Latin compound word: Nos Feratus(?), meaning "We of the Dead."

> > what really gets to me is Malkavian And Ventrue, I cant find there names
> > anywhere
>

> The former is discussed quite well at the Malkavian Web Page
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~alik/
> and the latter would translate into the French wind (vent) road (rue),
> although I have heard Windbag before now.

I'm not great at French, but my dictionary lists "ventru" (alternately
with an 'e') as 'pot-bellied or paunchy'. Perhaps because these are the
"well-fed" (read: well-off) vampires, or perhaps because some of them can
be stuffed shirts... ;-)



> The Followers of Set get their name from the Egyptian god Set, and
> Giovanni is Italian for John. I have heard it said that Tzimisce is
> some sort of stew, but I think that a bit odd.
>

> Does anyone else know?

Kleenex says, "bless you." :-)

>
> > -Pat

-Gerard Laneux
Artist, Clan Toreador
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Kee...@webtv.net

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Elysium is Greek, from mythology. It was a fabled land like Utopia.


I learned this in British literature when studying the works of John
Dunn, more specifically his story called "Utopia".


Marcus Davenport-Conti


Reilley

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Sahmedi is the common name of the Voudon loa connected most closely
with Death, and graveyards. Although (s)he has many other aspects to
totality, this one has been popularized by modern media.

Yours in Dark Faith Eternal,
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The.Brood

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Sep 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/14/98
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Hi!

We are very sorry, that we could send this response just now, but we had
a server breakdown.

Let's see, what we can guess about the origns of the Clan names.

Assamites - officially from "Haquim" (Version of the Name "Joachim");
perhaps a bowdlerizing of "Assassins" by someone, who likes to drink
Indian tea.

Brujah - "Bruxa" is Spain for "Witch" ("To fight" in Latin is more
"combatuere")

Cappadocians - Cappadocia is a region in Asia Minor

Gangrel - assumed to be "broad Scottish"; might also be a bowdlerizing
of "Grendel" from the Beowulf saga.

Giovanni - popular Italian name, originated from "Johannes"

Lasombra - La sombra = a French/ Spanish mixture of "The shadow"

Malkavian - despite of someone named "Malkav" it might be bad Latin for
"bad cavern" or "bad grave"

Nosferatu - 1. "Nosphoros" (Greek") = plague bringer
or 2. "Nos feratu" = "God be with us" (midevial synonymous for the
devil, in times where the Canaille was afraid to speak out Satan's name)

Ravnos - Name of a Sinti tribe?

Setites - Set, Egyptian God (of course a little bit sinister one)

Toreador - Matador, Torero

Tremere - Latin for "Shaking"

Tzimisce - Johannes I. Tzimiskes has been a Byzanthunian Emperor from
969 to 976, who murdered himself into his position, and was very
successful in fighting off the Russians and conquering Syria and Eastern
Bulgaria. He was responsible for some pagan influences in the Eastern
Church, which might have layed the seeds for the Bogumil heretics in
Bulgaria centuries later.

Ventrue - "Ventru" is french for "Fat belly"; "venter" as latin word
means simply "belly"

Most of these interpretations are only suggestions, and they give no
answer to the questions, how the Clans have been named, before the
people spoke Spanish or Latin. Were the Nosferatu the "Absimillards" and
the Toreador the "Arikels"?

greetings:

The Brood of Eduard Baron von Schottersteyn (Prince of Schleswig, Member
of the Oradea League)
(Old and Free)Clan Tzimisce

Lucy Praknik

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In article <12705-35...@newsd-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Kee...@webtv.net writes

>Elysium is Greek, from mythology. It was a fabled land like Utopia.
>
>
>I learned this in British literature when studying the works of John
>Dunn, more specifically his story called "Utopia".
>
I never heard of a 'Utopia' by John Dunn (do you mean perhaps John
Donne?) The one most people know is by Thomas More.

Lucy Praknik
Malkavian dweller in eutopias and outopias
--
"People say that I'm crazy, but I'm not that way inclined:
I know what I know, and I'll happily show that madness is all in the mind."
-- Madness
>>> Lucy Praknik is pra...@ho-street.demon.co.uk <<<

Mirikon2

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The name Salubri might come from "salubrious" (promoting health or welfare;
healthful, wholesome, salutary, etc.), which kind of makes sense.

And "Brujah" has been known to mean a large, rowdy, drunken party. Which,
again, would make sense.

-Mirikon
"Blood follows blood and we make sure/Life ain't for you and we're the cure"


Robert Gruver

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>And "Brujah" has been known to mean a large, rowdy, drunken party. Which,
>again, would make sense.


Brujah is Spanish meaning "witch".

The.Brood

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Jrpj1

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what language are those in?

Jrpj1

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::Bows to the flor with awe:: WOW, thanks man!where did you learn all this?

Guns don't kill I(and Viagra) do!

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