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Mercillus

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Oct 27, 2000, 7:45:45 AM10/27/00
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It all began back two months ago when I was carrying some ranger armour and
hair restyle deeds from the sweet dreams inn Britain to the west bank, and I
came across one of my friends inbetween the two places in Britain. He asked
me if I had a rune to Shame, but I only had one on me which I needed for
myself, so I decided to quickly goto Shame and mark a rune for him then
recall back.

So I told him to go to the bank and that id be there in a few minutes with
the rune to shame for him. I recall into Shame level 3 by the entrance from
level 2 (the grey moongate) and it is dark and I cant see. What a fool I am
to mark my runes to where the poison elementals are. If I had any sense id
have marked my rune in level 2 by entrance of level 3.

Well I always get the bad luck, and then was no exception. Out of all the
times that id recalled into Shame in my power hours to fight air, fire
elementals ect, I had never recalled in NEXT to a poison elemetal and
immediately been poisoned. But this time I had................

So I ran into the moongate and appeared in level 2, and kept TRYING TO CURE
the poison. Sure, there were no monsers around me now but I was dying fast
because of the poison. I died a few seconds later, and ran around the
C-shaped bend on level 2 to find someone quickly to get ressed. I was in a
total and absolute stressout at this point, shaking and yelling loads of
OooOOOOooOOOO. I found three people around the third bend (people who know
shame lvl 2 will know what I mean) and got ressed.

But I couldnt see a damn bloody thing, as I didnt have nightsight, and on my
monitor no matter how high I turn the brightness up, I still cant ever
bloody well see. And there was no way I could see around the bends to get
back to my body. So I instantly began the yelling "PLEASE PLEASE IN LOR ME I
BEG OF YOU" or something similar and loud and crass.

And now I look back on it, this must have given those guys the message that
there was something good on my corpse, and the bastards ran off at full
speed in the direction I had come as a ghost.

I was so completely pissed off at this time, and I was so ANGRY that I
couldnt see. Kept bumping into bloody walls and couldnt get back. Eventually
I got back but my corpse had turned to bones and everything was gone.

There were like four people there and they knew about the ranger and hair
deeds, and obviously one of them had looted it but none of them would admit
it. Two ran off and two of them stayed, and they asked me loads of questions
like "What were you doing with all that in here" ect, but I was so pissed
off that I just couldnt do much except mumble and groan, and thankfully I
was given the regs to recall back to a city.

Well I didnt want to post this storey or anything at the time as everyone
would just think I was an idiot ect, anyway maybe some of you already know
this storey, as over the next month whenever I was in Shame a few people
seemed to know me and what had happened and some of them laughed, some asked
why I was there with it all ect.

But a week ago, when I was recruiting for new members in my guild, amongst
about five others I recruited a mage called Kazhar (please look him up in
MyUO, there is only one char called Kazhar on Europa, and you will see what
he looks like and how good a mage he is) Well Kazhar seemed a bit of a dodgy
guy actually, everyone else was so polite and respectfull of me and my
tower, but this guy just seemed jealous and always wanted to spar (he killed
Maximus, another member)

Well the only satisfaction I have is that when I sparred with him I kicked
his arse, and he got angry that I beat him hehe.

But anyway, a couple of days ago I saw him at the Vesper bank spamming that
he was looking to join a warring guild, then a day later he had left the
BHU. The others didnt like him either and Im glad that hes gone. BHU doesnt
need arseholes.

Its fairly obvious from my storey what happened next but I will tell you
anyway. I got an ICQ from me asking if he remembered him from that night in
Shame when I got looted, and told me that it was HIM who had looted me, and
even had he nerve to send me a PICTURE that he took at time of him and me
and his backpack with all my ranger and hair deeds.

Ive actually put this picture up so all those of you who want to see it can
do :

http://www.godsell.co.uk/looted.jpg

It is a small pic anyway (48kb)

Dont you just think he is sick?

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Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

Erica

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:01:12 AM10/27/00
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I'll be the first to say something, and I'll be completely frank here (hello
lisa).

ANYWAY, is it just me or are half of your stories the "feel sorry for me"
kind of stories now? Honestly, half of everything you posted was about a
friend being scammed, or you being looted and having it rubbed in your face,
or something else that has happened to you.

Like we all said before, take a BREAK from the newsgroup. Bad things happen,
but they are happening to you so often, I'm beginning to think they don't
happen at all. And some of your stories don't match up either. Like the last
post "I got scammed out of ranger armor," but in this post it was looted,
not scammed. Which one is it? What's the REAL story here? By the time this
message is too far down my list to see when I first connect to the
newsgroup - you'll have another message similar to this posted by then, I'm
sure.

Erica
--
The internet.
It's the socialization key of the new generation.


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Rick Cortese

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:19:19 AM10/27/00
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"Mercillus" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> Its fairly obvious from my storey what happened next but I will tell you
> anyway. I got an ICQ from me asking if he remembered him from that night
in
> Shame when I got looted, and told me that it was HIM who had looted me,
and
> even had he nerve to send me a PICTURE that he took at time of him and me
> and his backpack with all my ranger and hair deeds.

Don't accept files from other people, it is a very bad policy. This guy
could have sent you back orifice, stolen your password and user name, then
taken everything in your account.


Guig

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:20:33 AM10/27/00
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> >But a week ago, when I was recruiting for new members in my guild,
amongst
> >about five others I recruited a mage called Kazhar (please look him up in
> >MyUO, there is only one char called Kazhar on Europa, and you will see
what
> >he looks like and how good a mage he is) Well Kazhar seemed a bit of a
> dodgy
> >guy actually, everyone else was so polite and respectfull of me and my
> >tower, but this guy just seemed jealous and always wanted to spar (he
> killed
> >Maximus, another member)

I've met this tosser, Kazhar, he was the recipient if my first ever GM page.
He's a wanker through and through. If he's ever spotted in Fel by any of my
chars I'll be taking an MC for him.

BTW one of his other chars is 'Lewt Usoon', as far as I'm concerned both of
them are on the kill on sight list.

--
Guig

(GSF600SY Bandit)

There is no black race, white race, or yellow race .... only the human race.

Life is but a game, only really badly programmed.

I used to be an atheist, until I realised I was god.

lordsh...@my-deja.com

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:19:19 AM10/27/00
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So you decided to recall to level 3 of Shame with 300k worth of stuff
in your pack, rather than take two minutes to bank it?

Brilliant.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

John Henry

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:26:43 AM10/27/00
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Assuming truth....I can only ask the same question: Why didn't you unload
first? I learned after the first time I got killed and couldn't get back to
my body that I should unload everything that's unnecessary before going
someplace even remotely dangerous. UO is as much about cool, quick thinking,
and wise decisions as it is about anything else. When I have made a decision
that led me to lose something valuable, I learn from it and try not to make
the same mistake again. It makes me sick toward myself to let myself be a
victim, not angry with the other guy.

JH

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Emrah Diler

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:46:05 AM10/27/00
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thats why ppl aint respecting him. Someone who recalls in any dun geon
without RA and NS and with 500k in items is the Newbie of the Year. On any
shard i guess!
Btw dont u want to play on Drachenfels?
We need more of ur caliber
lol
Genius/DMX
DF

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Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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Oct 27, 2000, 12:38:14 PM10/27/00
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To that i can only say _negative_, I work with computers, internet and security
every day ( not that i think you'll recognize even the name of my country, but
its for the biggest ISP in Denmark )

pictures are safe to open, only open executables if you get them from ppl you
trust ( and even then you should take the time to scan it ) Some text documents
( example: a word-document ) can contain a so-called Macro virus, but its
nothing even an old virus scanner can't take care off.

So generally: Files that aren't executables are safe, but as a thumb rule
_always_ scan mails with attached files if you don't know the sender.

/Savant

Rick Cortese skriver:

DJ Cha

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Oct 27, 2000, 1:08:57 PM10/27/00
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Mercillus wrote in message <8tbvad$1ak$2...@uranium.btinternet.com>...
>It all began back two months ago when I was carrying some ranger armour and
>hair restyle deeds from the sweet dreams inn Britain to the west bank, and
I
>came across one of my friends inbetween the two places in Britain. He asked
>me if I had a rune to Shame, but I only had one on me which I needed for
>myself, so I decided to quickly goto Shame and mark a rune for him then
>recall back.


ROFL

you went to shame lvl 3 with ranger armour and restyles on you..


Kiril Threndor

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Oct 27, 2000, 1:15:40 PM10/27/00
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Mercillus <nos...@nospam.com> only went ahead and wrote!

>Dont you just think he is sick?

I think what goes around comes around.

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Kiril Threndor
DTM SP

David Jones

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Oct 27, 2000, 1:47:06 PM10/27/00
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Rick Cortese wrote:
>
> Don't accept files from other people, it is a very bad policy. This guy
> could have sent you back orifice, stolen your password and user name, then
> taken everything in your account.

Paranoid are we?

Kiril Threndor

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Oct 27, 2000, 1:52:43 PM10/27/00
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David Jones <bel...@bellsouth.net> only went ahead and wrote!

Ask Microsoft.

steve walsh

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Oct 27, 2000, 2:30:15 PM10/27/00
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you are a sad bastard saying your god get a life ans stop thinking your the
Mac coz your not shut the fuck up


Boran of Europe

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Oct 27, 2000, 2:41:28 PM10/27/00
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steve walsh <yo...@walshie16.fsnet.co.uk> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
8tchvc$8u0$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

> you are a sad bastard saying your god get a life ans stop thinking your
the
> Mac coz your not shut the fuck up
>
>
get a spellchecker


Yuri G.

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Oct 27, 2000, 3:17:17 PM10/27/00
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Kiril Threndor <ult...@baywatch.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Mercillus <nos...@nospam.com> only went ahead and wrote!
> >Dont you just think he is sick?
>
> I think what goes around comes around.

Are hair restyle deeds even lootable? I would of thought they'd be
newbified. This story is probably utter BS.


Mocker, DTM

James Adams

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:02:56 PM10/27/00
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"DJ Cha" <F...@mes.com> wrote in message
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> you went to shame lvl 3 with ranger armour and restyles on you..

WTF is it with these restyle coupons anyway? Why is a haircut so valuable?


Boran of Europe

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:03:12 PM10/27/00
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James Adams <james...@stcatz.ox.ac.uk> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
8tcmu2$o7i$1...@news.ox.ac.uk...

with 2 of them you can get white hair I have heared. Not much else usefull
about them


Guig

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Oct 27, 2000, 3:55:32 PM10/27/00
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I'm sorry to hear about the operation to remove your sense of humour. It was
obviously a roaring success.

Pity your incoherent ramblings don't make any sense. I suggest you go out
and buy a personality and some education.

'Steve Walsh' - a good example of why brother and sister shouldn't breed
with each other.

PS - Given that you're incapable of basic reading skills you won't know that
you're not meant to change the title of threads.

--
Guig

(GSF600SY Bandit)

There is no black race, white race, or yellow race .... only the human race.

Life is but a game, only really badly programmed.

I used to be an atheist, until I realised I was god.

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Yannin

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:24:13 PM10/27/00
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Erica wrote in message ...

>I'll be the first to say something, and I'll be completely frank here
(hello
>lisa).
>
>ANYWAY, is it just me or are half of your stories the "feel sorry for me"
>kind of stories now? Honestly, half of everything you posted was about a
>friend being scammed, or you being looted and having it rubbed in your
face,
>or something else that has happened to you.
>
>Like we all said before, take a BREAK from the newsgroup. Bad things
happen,
>but they are happening to you so often, I'm beginning to think they don't
>happen at all. And some of your stories don't match up either. Like the
last
>post "I got scammed out of ranger armor," but in this post it was looted,
>not scammed. Which one is it? What's the REAL story here? By the time this
>message is too far down my list to see when I first connect to the
>newsgroup - you'll have another message similar to this posted by then, I'm
>sure.
>
>Erica
>--
>The internet.
>It's the socialization key of the new generation.

Maybe he whines, maybe he doesn't. Bottom line is, this is an ultima
newsgroup. His post was very much on topic, as most of his have been since
the incident. At least he's shown the common courtesy not to use this
newsgroup to tell me about his mother or the reproductive nature of his
siblings. (Two things which I'll be the first to say, and completely frank
in doing it, I do not think belong on this newsgroup at all. Period.)

You may not like him, and you may not like what he posts. If you don't just
killfile him. Personally I've come to enjoy his posts.

Yannin (Napa)


Mercillus

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:37:12 PM10/27/00
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Picture files are safe!


--
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Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

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Mercillus

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:38:12 PM10/27/00
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It is NOT BS, you dont think hair deeds are lootable?!? Then do what I did
and see for yourself!


--
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Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

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Mercillus

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:40:42 PM10/27/00
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What?!? When did I ever claim I was scammed!

Someone TRIED to scam me out of my house a while back, but I spotted them
and so they failed.

And youre saying all my posts are "feel sorry for me" posts?!?

What?!?

Please give me a link to any messages in which I say I was scammed.


________________________________________
Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild


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J.C. Bengtson

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:57:11 PM10/27/00
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"Never leave town with more then you can afford to lose."

Whenever you recall anywhere, every single monster onscreen will target
you. Ditto for Gates; the first person to walk thru gets targeted.

Mercillus wrote:
> Well I always get the bad luck, and then was no exception. Out of all the
> times that id recalled into Shame in my power hours to fight air, fire
> elementals ect, I had never recalled in NEXT to a poison elemetal and
> immediately been poisoned. But this time I had................

--
J.C. Bengtson
==========================
* Atlantic (UO) Player *
http://sailorscout.cjb.net
==========================

Drake

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Oct 27, 2000, 4:58:23 PM10/27/00
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"Yannin" <yann...@SPAMknology.net> wrote in message
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He's trying very hard to be a regular old poster here and taking his story
for what it's worth, it's a shitty thing this other bloke did to him.


gil

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:04:54 PM10/27/00
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"Yuri G." wrote:
>
> Kiril Threndor <ult...@baywatch.nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Mercillus <nos...@nospam.com> only went ahead and wrote!
> > >Dont you just think he is sick?
> >
> > I think what goes around comes around.
>
> Are hair restyle deeds even lootable? I would of thought they'd be
> newbified. This story is probably utter BS.

Reading between the lines I will attempt to translate from merci-ese to
english:

"I was doing my usual scamming of new players out of their ranger armor
and hair coupons, and anything else that they had before they knew it
was valuable, and when this one new player didn't fall for my normal
scams I decided to take him to Shame, get him killed, wait for his bones
to decay, then loot him. Being more greedy than smart, and not wanting
the victim to get away, or more importantly I didn't want him to bank
the loot I wanted to scam him out of, I didn't drop off my good loot
before I went either - and why should I, for I am merci the klever!
Unfortunately I died instead of him, and I got looted instead of him. I
was so mad I acted like an idiot for awhile, then I decided to play for
sympathy, and to see my name in print again, by twisting the truth into
a hopefully sad story that folks in the NG would hopefully believe."

Anyway, that's how I translate merci's story...

Does anyone remember an old story about an idiot thief named Cugel? I
think it was one of the stories/authors that Gygax based D&D/World of
Greyhawk upon. Cugel thought he was very very clever, and he always saw
things in a most favorable (albeit inaccurate) light, and he was a total
idiot. About as smart as Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies, and about
as competent as Maxwell Smart, Agent 86. Merci reminds me of Cugel :)

gil

vince garcia

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:15:12 PM10/27/00
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Mercillus wrote:
>
> It all began back two months ago when I was carrying some ranger armour and
> hair restyle deeds from the sweet dreams inn Britain to the west bank, and I
> came across one of my friends inbetween the two places in Britain. He asked
> me if I had a rune to Shame, but I only had one on me which I needed for
> myself, so I decided to quickly goto Shame and mark a rune for him then
> recall back.
>
> So I told him to go to the bank and that id be there in a few minutes with
> the rune to shame for him. I recall into Shame level 3 by the entrance from
> level 2 (the grey moongate) and it is dark and I cant see. What a fool I am
> to mark my runes to where the poison elementals are. If I had any sense id
> have marked my rune in level 2 by entrance of level 3.
>
> Well I always get the bad luck, and then was no exception. Out of all the
> times that id recalled into Shame in my power hours to fight air, fire
> elementals ect, I had never recalled in NEXT to a poison elemetal and
> immediately been poisoned. But this time I had................
>
>


As Bill Clinton would say, "Ah feel yor pine". That's bad enuff, but
these guys who couldn't wait to loot you is insult on top of injury. Too
bad they weren't nice guys.

By coincidence, a similar thing happened to me last week. My rune in the
rune book to the lich room hallway (where now lives a PE) was next to my
rune for the Brit bank, and apparently I hit the lich room rune by
mistake. Next thing I know i hear the creepy music, the screen is black,
and my unarmored bard with some hot stuff i don't want to lose is
apparently NOT alone. Immediately most all my life bar turns red and by
memory i shoot down the hall and make the turn without crashing into the
wall, hitting the Recall macro and targeting the first rune i saw in my
pack, not caring where it went to because nothing could be worse.
Somehow escaped and later removed that rune from the book for good

gil

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:15:50 PM10/27/00
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Erica wrote:

> but they are happening to you so often, I'm beginning to think they don't
> happen at all. And some of your stories don't match up either. Like the last
> post "I got scammed out of ranger armor," but in this post it was looted,
> not scammed. Which one is it? What's the REAL story here?

In my reply to Yuri below I translate merci's fiction into a more likely
scenario... I won't repeat it here, but I believe it's much closer to
the real story.

gil

Rick Cortese

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:29:26 PM10/27/00
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To you, Yannin, and Tonni, no they aren't, they can be disguised
executibles.

If you don't know how to do it, probably a good thing.

If you don't believe me, no skin off my nose. Keep opening them.


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Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:45:41 PM10/27/00
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Aaaah if my memory serves me well, I recollect that Denmark got electricity just
about 1841 .... ( electromagnetism was discovered by H.C.Ørsted just here in
Denmark, and later, Niels Bohr discovered atomary fusion )........ you???

Anyhow..... back to the "virus/hacker - Warning" *G* anybody using either Outlook
Express or Netscape Messenger don't even have to look at extensions as both is
utilizing "icons" to show the file type, and ppl using other mail readers usually
know what they are doing...... need i say more??

Also one don't need the biggest brain to know that when u got an attached file u
check it first..... simple as that :o)

/Savant

Polychromic skriver:

> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:38:14 +0200, Tonni Kenneth Lutze
> <To...@Lutze.dk> wrote:
>
> >To that i can only say _negative_, I work with computers, internet and security
> >every day ( not that i think you'll recognize even the name of my country, but
> >its for the biggest ISP in Denmark )
> >
> >pictures are safe to open, only open executables if you get them from ppl you
> >trust ( and even then you should take the time to scan it ) Some text documents
> >( example: a word-document ) can contain a so-called Macro virus, but its
> >nothing even an old virus scanner can't take care off.
> >
> >So generally: Files that aren't executables are safe, but as a thumb rule
> >_always_ scan mails with attached files if you don't know the sender.
> >
> >/Savant
>

> I don't know if anyone has already pointed it out but many newbies are
> fooled by thinking that a hostile program is actually a picture. For
> instance, they get a file named,
> hotnudies.jpg .exe
>
> They only see the first part of the filename but it's really a program
> that is activated when the user dbl-clicks on it to see the picture.
>
> (BTW, when did Denmark get electricity?)
>
> --
> The Polychromic Dragon (Michael Cecil) of the -=={UDIC}==-
> Dragons For Adventure guild http://users.ticnet.com/mcecil/dfa
> Gaming > http://users.ticnet.com/mcecil
> Tech > http://users.ticnet.com/mcecil/howto mac...@home.com

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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Oct 27, 2000, 6:51:05 PM10/27/00
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Just my very words.

/Savant


Mercillus skriver:

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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Oct 27, 2000, 7:00:37 PM10/27/00
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oh I know how to "disguise" a exe/com/whatever as a picture.... but in
the end an exe always have to have an correct extention for it to be
able to getting executed.

ofcause u can call "iloveyou.exe" (just to take an [un]popular excample
(and i would think that even by writing "iloveyou.exe" many subscribers
won't get this post....)) for hornynudes.jpg, and ppl can see the file
as a pic, but if they open it they won't see a picture... but they
wounden't execute a program ither! take my word for it ( if it wasen't
so the entire internet would be flooded by viruses, worms, trojan horses
and the like )

/Savant

Rick Cortese skriver:

Dorian

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Oct 27, 2000, 7:31:09 PM10/27/00
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:40:42 +0100, "Mercillus" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>What?!? When did I ever claim I was scammed!
>


ok asshole, you dont ever fucking learn.

ONE: Clip the fucking posts you are replying to.

TWO: earlier this month you were crying here about how you got scammed
out of 150K? that you leant a friend to buy a house.

Dorian

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Oct 27, 2000, 7:31:47 PM10/27/00
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:37:12 +0100, "Mercillus" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Picture files are safe!


And you probably believe this.


Taras Bulba

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Oct 27, 2000, 7:40:30 PM10/27/00
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>
> Does anyone remember an old story about an idiot thief named Cugel? I
> think it was one of the stories/authors that Gygax based D&D/World of
> Greyhawk upon. Cugel thought he was very very clever, and he always saw
> things in a most favorable (albeit inaccurate) light, and he was a total
> idiot. About as smart as Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies, and about
> as competent as Maxwell Smart, Agent 86. Merci reminds me of Cugel :)
>
> gil


Nooooooo.!...........I cannot let this slight to Cugel's name go unanswered.

The Cugel I know (called Cugel the Clever) appeared in Jack Vance's
excellent story "The Eyes of the Overworld". He was very clever indeed in
this story, getting out of some very tight spots by the imaginative use of
his wits. He also appeared in a sequel some years later.

He wasn't a thief, but a magician, forced into performing a task for
another more powerful magician.

Is this the same one? If so, he is one of my literary heroes, and I despair
to see him mentioned in the same breath as Mercillus.


Taras Bulba

Eric A. Hall

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> Are hair restyle deeds even lootable? I would of thought they'd be
> newbified. This story is probably utter BS.

I thought that too but checked it out. They're not newbiefied, he really and
truly is a complete idiot.


Eric A. Hall

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> Anyhow..... back to the "virus/hacker - Warning" *G* anybody using either
> Outlook Express or Netscape Messenger don't even have to look at
extensions
> as both is utilizing "icons" to show the file type, and ppl using other
mail
> readers usually know what they are doing...... need i say more??

No you needn't say more because you've been defending an invalid position.
About the only thing you could say at this point is nothing or "oops"

The mailer in use was ICQ. ICQ displays "nasty.jpg. exe" with an
image icon. He wasn't using a mailer.

Pix!

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Tonni Kenneth Lutze <To...@Lutze.dk> wrote in message
news:39F9AF76...@Lutze.dk...
> pictures are safe to open

I'm almost positive I read something on ntbugtraq about a way to use an
image as a trojan. It probably involved incorrect filenames.


Yuri G.

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Oct 27, 2000, 9:07:39 PM10/27/00
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Mercillus wrote:
> It is NOT BS, you dont think hair deeds are lootable?!? Then do what
> I did and see for yourself!

There are two things preventing me from doing what you did:

1) Neither of my accounts are young
2) I'm not a moron

Eric says hair deeds are in fact lootable and I'll take his word
for it, but I'd still give your story 50/50 odds of being BS. You
seem to have a penchant for lying to us with the intent of generating
sympathy.

Erica

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:13:59 PM10/27/00
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>I don't killfile people but I do tend to ignore them after they cry
>wolf, oh, 4 or 5 times. Especially after scamming other newsgroup

BINGO!

Erica
--
The internet.
It's the socialization key of the new generation.


Polychromic wrote in message ...


>On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:58:23 -0700, "Drake" <dr...@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>He's trying very hard to be a regular old poster here and taking his story
>>for what it's worth, it's a shitty thing this other bloke did to him.
>

>I don't killfile people but I do tend to ignore them after they cry
>wolf, oh, 4 or 5 times. Especially after scamming other newsgroup
>posters, then being flamed for the action but still being too stupid
>to realize that his contributions thereafter amount to mongbat crap.
>But that's just me. You might like to read crap.

Erica

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Oct 27, 2000, 10:35:28 PM10/27/00
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Let's see you become a father or mother of a newborn and not want to tell
the whole world.

Until you know what it's like to hear about the birth of what will probably
be the only child this close to you, you can shut up and move on. Maybe they
don't belong on this newsgroup, which is why the letters O and T preceded
it. Know what that means? OFF TOPIC. So at the very least, respect my
courtesy for warning everyone that what I was about to say did NOT relate to
UO.


Erica
--
The internet.
It's the socialization key of the new generation.


Yannin wrote in message <7HlK5.13387$4P2....@news2.atl>...

Pix!

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David Jones <bel...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:39F9BF9A...@bellsouth.net...
> Rick Cortese wrote:

> > Don't accept files from other people, it is a very bad policy. This guy
> > could have sent you back orifice, stolen your password and user name,
then
> > taken everything in your account.

> Paranoid are we?

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Gads, half the people I know are constantly whining (oh no, I used the
word!) about how someone h@xx0red their ICQ and did this, taht or the other
thing.

gil

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It must be the same Cugel, though I remember him more as a hapless
clever bumbler. It's been 20 years or so, so please excuse my faulty
memory. He seemed to never be as clever as he thought he was (thus the
comparison to merci). I only remember a couple details, one was the
item that made objects palatable (I still wonder what driftwood tastes
like ;) that the more powerful mage gave him when he sent him on his
task. The other was a ship voyage with a mother and her daughter, and
the ingredients they added to what he thought was "haute cuisine".

Thank you for providing the authors name :) and please accept my
apologies for mentioning Cugel in the same paragraph with merci :(

gil

Quentin

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Oct 27, 2000, 11:24:29 PM10/27/00
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Sorry I have to disagree here what was happeing is that some of the trojans
i.e. the Love bug and so on would send copies that had file names like
Name.jpg.js since the default setting in Win 9x is to not show file
extensions of executable files this would show to the avaridge user as
Name.jpg this is not what the file would actually be. But rather a semi
clever way to hide the true nature of the file.

But for that matter image files are harmless in any nature since they can
not contain any harmfull code. What was also a problem with Outlook and
Outlook Express is that before the security patch for 5.x you could include
executable code in the email header of a message and it would execute as the
message was being downloaded. So there was no need for an email attachment
this was entirely unprotectable. Fortunaly it was never widely used.

Quentin of Atlantic.
"Pix!" <pixe...@MsSpN.CaOmM> wrote in message
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Quentin

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This is why I always keep an escape macro to a safe place. If I get in
trouble I just hit Alt-Z and I'm wisked away. Unless I'm disrupted in which
case I am dead. :-)

Qunetin of Atlantic

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GrandWazoo

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haha
:O)
serves ya right for making 100 accounts and wasting all yer time on newbie
tickets, you turd


Mercillus

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Its not often that I do this, but when I see an individual as twisted as
you, I have to say:

*PLONK*

--
________________________________________
Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

"gil" <g...@qwest.net> wrote in message news:39F9FC06...@qwest.net...

Mercillus

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Erm, that was my FRIEND that got scammed and not me.

I FUCKING HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, EVERYONE HAS KILLFILED
ME YET THEY SEE THESE BULLSHIT WORDS AND BELIEVE IT TRUE ITS A COMPLETE PILE
OF BULLSHIT

CANT YOU JUST DROP IT OK.

OK FFS SO I WAS A DAMN 20 DAY NEWBIE AND DIDNT REALISE ABOUT HOUSING AND
TOOK A DEED THAT MAYBE I SHOULDNT HAVE. BUT NOW IVE GIVEN IT BACK AND
EVERYONE HAS FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT SO NOW WHY CANT THE REST OF YOU.


"Dorian" <bond...@home.com> wrote in message
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Mercillus

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Oct 28, 2000, 5:53:25 AM10/28/00
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On a calmer note, the way that I obtained all this ranger armour was NOT by
scamming newbies but by buying lots of new accounts which are (young), and
cross shard ticket trading.

And half the people on the NG already know and realise the above, so if you
dont believe me just ask other people form the NG.

Everyone on this NG apart from you "Gil", if they dont already know what
cross shard ticket trading is, they woul be intelligent enough to understand
what it is.

But you Gil, you just wouldnt understand it so I end my post here.

________________________________________
Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

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Yannin

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Rick Cortese wrote in message ...

>To you, Yannin, and Tonni, no they aren't, they can be disguised
>executibles.
>
>If you don't know how to do it, probably a good thing.

Umm... I wasn't even in this part of the thread, I thought?!

Yannin (Napa)


Thomas Stockheim

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Oct 28, 2000, 7:49:17 AM10/28/00
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Tonni Kenneth Lutze schrieb:

>
> oh I know how to "disguise" a exe/com/whatever as a picture.... but in
> the end an exe always have to have an correct extention for it to be
> able to getting executed.
>
> ofcause u can call "iloveyou.exe" (just to take an [un]popular excample
> (and i would think that even by writing "iloveyou.exe" many subscribers
> won't get this post....)) for hornynudes.jpg, and ppl can see the file
> as a pic, but if they open it they won't see a picture... but they
> wounden't execute a program ither! take my word for it ( if it wasen't
> so the entire internet would be flooded by viruses, worms, trojan horses
> and the like )

Actually, the trick mostly used is to rename it hornynudes.jpg.exe
The default settings of windows does not display the .exe, so it
looks like a picture. Somebody in the stratics europa forum
just fell for that trick with a file called newrares.txt.exe, and
got all his uo stuff stolen.

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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aah. so now ppl don't know the insecurity about ICQ ?? Also the same unwritten
rule applies to ( especially ICQ, as it is one of the most unsecure
communication program out there ) _Always check the file, if you have the
tiniest suspicion then u SCAN it!_ anybody using the internet _knows_ this, is a
newbi ( and should be told ) or doesn't care.
I'm not going to say "oops", if some ppl in this ng take offense from what I'm
writing, I'm sorry, but it just proves my words. What I was trying to do was to
give some info when an email or file _could_ be dangerous if that involves
putting ppl into "boxes" so be it, the original intend was NOT to offend.

So don't twist my words.

/Savant

"Eric A. Hall" skriver:

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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still if you look at the file you would see the last .exe,i would say he was
"just" careless.
( not that it coulden't happen to me..... I think I belong to the "I don't
really care group" but then again most of the time i'm siting at a
workcomputer which sets off 1000 alarms in the house if it sniffs out a virus
or something )

/Savant

Thomas Stockheim skriver:

Rick Cortese

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If you weren't, sorry for dragging you in. I thought you were on the "safe
to recieve files" bandwagon.

"Yannin" <yann...@SPAMknology.net> wrote in message
news:95yK5.11939$KE5....@news4.atl...

Rick Cortese

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Let me sum up. First, ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing.
Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever.

So what we really should be talking about is ignorance since the smartest
person in the world may not know about things like recieving files over the
internet. It may be outside of the area they are an expert in.

Your position seems to be no one should be that ingnorant that they should
fall for trojans, but Merci's presence here and in another post in this
thread from Thomas.
*********************


Actually, the trick mostly used is to rename it hornynudes.jpg.exe
The default settings of windows does not display the .exe, so it
looks like a picture. Somebody in the stratics europa forum
just fell for that trick with a file called newrares.txt.exe, and
got all his uo stuff stolen.

*********************
Prove that there is a clear and present danger to some people.

Your position that people *should* know better is valid, but irrelevant. The
only thing that is important is the fact that people don't know better. It
is a lofty goal, something like ending world hunger, but it doesn't get the
job done.
"Tonni Kenneth Lutze" <To...@Lutze.dk> wrote in message
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Guig

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Oct 28, 2000, 11:56:11 AM10/28/00
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<snip a load of mince>

Actually there is a grain of truth in the story, I've had dealings with this
Kazhar bloke and don't doubt Chris' assertion that he was the looter.

Given the way Chris puts himself across I don't expect many of the NG to
ever treat him with the slightest respect. I believe he has returned the
deed, but still folk have a go at him, but then everyone else here is so
fekkin perfect and have never made a stupid mistake in-game.

--
Guig

(GSF600SY Bandit)

There is no black race, white race, or yellow race .... only the human race.

Life is but a game, only really badly programmed.

I used to be an atheist, until I realised I was god.

Rick Cortese

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"Mercillus" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8te7k1$4vp$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...

> On a calmer note, the way that I obtained all this ranger armour was NOT
by
> scamming newbies but by buying lots of new accounts which are (young), and
> cross shard ticket trading.
>
> And half the people on the NG already know and realise the above, so if
you
> dont believe me just ask other people form the NG.

I've done this myself, but by accident helping people on other shards out
and inadvertantly getting a reward with the character.

When you do it intentionally, it is starting to cross the line in about
"half the people on the NG" minds. It is right up there with eBay and just
below account hacking to some people.

While OSI has not made an official statement on it, tying veteran rewards to
account vs characters seems to indicate they don't think it is a good idea.

To long of a story for most people so move on, but I want you<Merci> to pay
particular attention to it.

There was mental hospital where they used to give interns this one crazy
lady that was incurable just so they would realize they can't help
everybody.

One intern set his chair up in front of a window. Everytime the crazy lady
would go off on some paranoid tangent, he would swing around in his chair
and look out the window. Every time she would say something reality based,
he would lean forward in his chair and listen intently.

Eventually he got her to the stage where she was mostly talking normal.

He then did the opposite; everytime she started talking crazy he leaned
forward and listened intently. Eventually he got her back to the crazy
drivel stage.

At this time he explained to her what he had done and told her, "Look we
both know you are crazy, but you want to get out of here and I want to make
my reputation. You showed me you know the difference between the crazy talk
and reality and can control it. So just shut the fuck up and don't let
people know how crazy you really are and we will both get out of here."

That is the punch line. It doesn't matter if you have a foot fetish with the
queen, it doesn't matter if you find barnyard animals attractive, it doesn't
matter if you think starting new accounts and cross shard trading is "kewl".

If you don't like people to take exception to any controversial behavior,
just STFU with respect to them! You would be surprised how many interesting
topics you can find that aren't controversial.


John Henry

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I'll not only agree in principle, but also point out (my wife is a security
manager for an Air Force detachment working for an un-named government
organization) that ICQ was developed from Israeli source code and is
prohibited from being on government systems because the source code has
never been released, and it is considered untrustworthy.

JH

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Mercillus

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Youre right, its just that people like him are so annoying. They are like a
swarm of termites, but a better imagery would be a swarm of lies, or a swarm
of bullshit.

________________________________________
Mercillus of Europa, Guildmaster of The BHU Guild

"Danny C." <dan...@bellsouth.invalid> wrote in message
news:8FDB4E99...@205.152.0.37...
> nos...@nospam.com (Mercillus) muttered in
> <8te7br$r65$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com> :


>
> >Erm, that was my FRIEND that got scammed and not me.
> >
> >I FUCKING HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, EVERYONE HAS
> >KILLFILED ME YET THEY SEE THESE BULLSHIT WORDS AND BELIEVE IT TRUE ITS A
> >COMPLETE PILE OF BULLSHIT
>

> Chill, Chris. Don't let them get to you.
>
> --
> Malik Spiridon of Scara Brae - Sonoma
> Member of the ANO guild. ICQ:59802662
>
> "NPC Code is a little bit wonky." -Damocles
>
> "I think there's a bug. I was fighting a dragon, when suddenly
> he turned around, flew away, turned into an air elemental,
> and exploded." -Rick from credits.dat


Jared of Europa

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:07:34 GMT, "John Henry"
<John_...@scrollworld.com> wrote:

>I'll not only agree in principle, but also point out (my wife is a security
>manager for an Air Force detachment working for an un-named government
>organization) that ICQ was developed from Israeli source code and is
>prohibited from being on government systems because the source code has
>never been released, and it is considered untrustworthy.
>
>JH

So the Mossad is behind that guys hacked UO account? The plot
thickens...

Anyway, the best security concerning incoming files is to never open
them by double-clicking. Use the file->open menu in notepad to open
text files, and in MS paint, photoshop or whatever to open pictures,
etc.

The problem with these UO trojans is that I seriously doubt that any
virus scanner will pick them up.
---*---
Jared of Europa
Master craftsman and merchant

decorators, visit Famous Houses of Britannia: http://fhb.intvelt.com

Dorian

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:49:03 +0100, "Mercillus" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Erm, that was my FRIEND that got scammed and not me.


And you cried that it was your money he lost, hence it was you that
got scammed by proxy.


John Henry

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"Jared of Europa" <ja...@IHATESPAM.intvelt.com> wrote in message
news:39fc29b2...@news.bart.nl...

> So the Mossad is behind that guys hacked UO account? The plot
> thickens...

Yes, but they are working on contract to the minions of Mondain....

JH

Sigmar

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Oct 28, 2000, 9:22:27 PM10/28/00
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Not starting any more flames, plus im not realy one to insult, but.....

You seem to be the richest bloody newbie ever in the history of UO and you
complain when you lose 300K of stuff.... from all your posts ive read you
could gain that within 2 days from the sounds of it....
just forget the damn thing, its just 300K of stuff, buy it again you lazy
git....

Sigmar
"Getting tired of your simpathy posts"


scream

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Oct 29, 2000, 3:33:07 AM10/29/00
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lol
funnt story
made my day
:)
i love these looting tales


Green17

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Oct 29, 2000, 4:57:34 PM10/29/00
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"David Jones" <bel...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:39F9BF9A...@bellsouth.net...
> Rick Cortese wrote:
> >
> > Don't accept files from other people, it is a very bad policy. This guy
> > could have sent you back orifice, stolen your password and user name,
then
> > taken everything in your account.
>
> Paranoid are we?

That's not paranoia, that's safe computing.


RtR

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Oct 29, 2000, 7:04:05 PM10/29/00
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>
> ROFL
>
> you went to shame lvl 3 with ranger armour and restyles on you..
>
>

Give the bloke a break - what happens when you get attacked by a poison
ellie and need a quick haircut? I think he was very wise taking so many hair
deeds in there with him. I for one will be taking a few each time I go in
future. As for ranger armour, well, it helps to have clean clothes with you
after slaying lots of ellies, so more power mercyless for thinking ahead!

RtR - taking the piss.


James Adams

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Thanks - now if they'd just fix the server I could get started...

"Boran of Europe" <bo...@jpkoester.de> wrote in message
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> with 2 of them you can get white hair I have heared. Not much else usefull
> about them

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Ian A Kelley

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Mercillus (nos...@nospam.com) wrote:

: Picture files are safe!

Picture files are safe--if they're really a picture. A lot of potential
hackers will send trojans that are disguised as image files, but are
really executables. They're even harder to see if you have "view file type
extensions" turned off. More than once at my job I've had to clean Netbus
or BackOrifice off a student's computer when they tried to open what they
thought was an image file.

--
Ian Kelley "Try not to become a man of success but
ike...@mail.sas.upenn.edu rather to become a man of value."
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ikelley/ --Albert Einstein

Little WhiteDove

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Oct 30, 2000, 9:17:41 AM10/30/00
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In article <svm05qf...@corp.supernews.com>, Rick Cortese
<rico...@netmagic.net> wrote:

|If you don't like people to take exception to any controversial behavior,
|just STFU with respect to them! You would be surprised how many interesting
|topics you can find that aren't controversial.

Goes right along with:
"Tis better to be presumed stupid,
than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

-Little WhiteDove
Badb Catha, Lia Fail Empire
Atlantic

Pix!

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Quentin <tob...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:lVrK5.320$aI.4...@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net...

> This is why I always keep an escape macro to a safe place. If I get in
> trouble I just hit Alt-Z and I'm wisked away. Unless I'm disrupted in
which
> case I am dead. :-)

Also, for future reference, make the default rune on your book be a safe
place. Mine is just outside the steps of my house, where I've never seen
worse than a single ogre, and usually there's only a single lizardman, if
that.

Then it's simply Alt-R or whatever your Recall macro is, and target the
book. Can't screw up that way. :)

Pix!

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Erica <nos...@flashcom.net> wrote in message
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> Let's see you become a father or mother of a newborn and not want to tell
> the whole world.

Exactly. Congrats, btw.


Markus Vincon

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Oct 30, 2000, 3:23:47 PM10/30/00
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Hiya,

"Pix!" schrieb:

> Then it's simply Alt-R or whatever your Recall macro is, and target the
> book. Can't screw up that way. :)

Don't count on this. I was recalling away from a balron and had used the mana
and regs, but in the time, before you really get teleported, he killed me and
i was still in hythloth and not at home. :(

Bye,
Ivanhoe, [Judge of Faith,B*F], Europa

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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Oct 30, 2000, 4:19:21 PM10/30/00
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As i have stated before: I used a wrong word.... I'm sorry for that ....

Mmmm, no that's not totally correct, everybody knows that there's vira about,
ironically enough it's ppl without computer/internet that's most afraid of them.

So what I'm saying is that while almost everyone knows that computer vira is
about, not all care to protect themselves from it ( count me in... tho i know
what to do about them if i get them which is not likely ). And those who doesn't
know what to do can easily find help on the net.
My first reply to this topic, was an attempt to inform ppl about this particular
"type" of virus and to stop an eventual frenzy/panic

Rick Cortese skriver:

Tonni Kenneth Lutze

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I can't be sure so i wont discuss whether ICQ is (the)one of the most
untrustworthy or not, I only know it's a major security spoiler..

John Henry skriver:

redneck

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Oct 30, 2000, 10:31:47 PM10/30/00
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I have to say this.......quite a few of you sound like brothers and sisters
fighting and if his story was just that: a story, it seems to have generated
quite a few replies, therefore, if it was just a story....he seems to have
gotten what he wanted. I'm not trying to put anyone down and please forgive
me if I offend anyone with this message.
Isabella/Chesapeake Shard
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