Firestorm walls - Functionality?
James Webley (UnknownJ)
Subject: Firestorm walls - Functionality?
Newsgroup: alt.games.tiberian-sun
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999
>If anyone could tell me what exactly firestorm is good for I would greatly
>appreciate it...
Well.... In a game last night, my opponent sent in 10 Banshee fighters to
destroy a MM2 in my base... As they neared my base I turned on my
Firestorm, and took out every single one as they flew straight into it... :o)
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Joel Sundberg
Firestorm walls works great for me. It sops the "multi..missile" and the
"hunter seeker". You just have to make sure that the walls are in the way of
the missile. So if you put walls all around your base you're secured. I
don't know about the "tiberium-missile", but the Ion canon can't be stopped.
I do think the firestorm wall is woth the money, since you don't have your
buildings destroyed.
hth
regards
Joel Sundberg
Snowball <fo...@opera.iinet.net.au> skrev i
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> I tried the firestorm walls in multiplay today, and was under the
impression
> that it stopped missiles and the like. So whenever i heard "missile launch
> detected" I propped up my walls and waited. To my dismay, missiles still
> landed in the middle of my base, decimating all my little troops and
tanks.
> In the end, my my whole base was destroyed pretty quickly, due to the fact
I
> had spent so much time and money setting up my firestorm defences, rather
> than my real defences and army.
> If anyone could tell me what exactly firestorm is good for I would greatly
> appreciate it...
> -Snowy.
>
>
Rammel
stops MIRV and chemical.. and some (like me) claim it stops none of them.
Whether this is down to some weird game quirk (perhaps), odd regional
differences (Possibly - Are all English speaking countries given the same
version?), or some amazing fluke I don't know..... all I know is it doesn't
work on my TS.
Paul...
Snowball wrote
Ole Steiness
singleplayer game. I don't know about multiplayer.
- Ole Steiness
Judge Dredd
Snowball <fo...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> I tried the firestorm walls in multiplay today, and was under the
impression
> that it stopped missiles and the like. So whenever i heard "missile launch
> detected" I propped up my walls and waited. To my dismay, missiles still
> landed in the middle of my base, decimating all my little troops and
tanks.
> In the end, my my whole base was destroyed pretty quickly, due to the fact
I
> had spent so much time and money setting up my firestorm defences, rather
> than my real defences and army.
Rammel
stops nothing for me.. other people claim it stops MIRV, Chem or both.
Bizarre..
Paul...
Ole Steiness wrote
Jules
Jules
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Snowball
MuuMiMan
Rammel wrote in message <37d9...@glitch.nildram.co.uk>...
> In single player, it stops them. In multiplayer, where it matters, it
>stops nothing for me.. other people claim it stops MIRV, Chem or both.
> Bizarre..
>
value for HS, chem and Multi-missile), might actualy set(you can include
small parts of rules.ini in a map file, and they will then override the
default values) to (IgnoreFirestorm=No), that would explain the things...
Now, then we only need a list of the maps in which the firestorm works and
aginst what...
Sheitan
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> In single player, it stops them. In multiplayer, where it matters, it
> stops nothing for me.. other people claim it stops MIRV, Chem or both.
> Bizarre..
>
I have a suspicion it might work like this: stop both in single player, stop
neither in multiplayer, but I'm not sure exactly what happens in Skirmish.
I would assume that it stops neither, but....
IMO, the firestorm SHOULD be able to stop missiles, otherwise its a kindof
expensive waste, particularly compared to the Stealth Generator.
- Sheitan
TMA
Joel Sundberg <puni...@swipnet.se> wrote in message
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> Snowy,
> Firestorm walls works great for me. It sops the "multi..missile" and the
> "hunter seeker".
Except when 90% of the time it DOESN'T. It's not even supposed to according
to rules.ini! When will people realise?
Christopher Hill
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it
> >stops nothing for me.. other people claim it stops MIRV, Chem or both.
> > Bizarre..
> >
"IgnoreFirestorm=Yes"(default
> value for HS, chem and Multi-missile), might actualy set(you can include
> small parts of rules.ini in a map file, and they will then override the
> default values) to (IgnoreFirestorm=No), that would explain the things...
> Now, then we only need a list of the maps in which the firestorm works and
> aginst what...
It's not that. It depends on where the missile is fired. If it's fired near
the wall, it gets through. If it's fired away from the wall, it doesn't.
It's also a bug.
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Donp
really annoying. In skirmish the firestorm stopped the multi and hunter,
don't know about single player for those yet.
Ole Steiness wrote:
> It stops chemical missiles alright.. but that's just my experience from
> singleplayer game. I don't know about multiplayer.
>
> - Ole Steiness
Donp
later did nothing but provide a fancy light show.
Ole Steiness
Firestorm. However, the missile will detonate just outside the Firestorm,
and when the defence goes off, the gas clouds will start to float into your
base.
Donp wrote in message <37DA8254...@pcpros.net>...
Mark Hewitt
> you have to install TS Gold i think, that's the way it stops the
> missiles in
> my game.
Firestorm has always stopped everything under all circumstances for me.
MuuMiMan
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>It's not that. It depends on where the missile is fired. If it's fired near
>the wall, it gets through. If it's fired away from the wall, it doesn't.
>It's also a bug.
Ah... Now i get it, i think. You know when the missile is flying
towards it's target? Well, a bit before hitting, it's flying altitude
decreases... Could this be why the firestorm lets things through/not
through? Although it's a pretty strange logic, would be better
reversed...
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Mark Hewitt <Ma...@worldmotorsport.com> wrote in message
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> Firestorm has always stopped everything under all circumstances for me.
You're probably not playing multiplayer, then.
Jeroen Schipper
mu...@protossNOILLTASTINGCANNEDMEAT.zzn.com (MuuMiMan) wrote:
>It's not that. It depends on where the missile is fired. If it's fired near
>the wall, it gets through. If it's fired away from the wall, it doesn't.
>It's also a bug.
Isn't it so that the firestorm has a specific height, so when
something is targeted some distance behind the firestorm, the
projectile flies *over* the firestorm and lands on it's target. The
only thing you can do against it is:
1. Create a small base
2. Divide your base with firestorms so if one part is targeted, the
other part doesn't get hit
Jeroen
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Andy
<schi...@xs4all.nospam.nl> spake forth saying
It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
It also flies through with me, but not every time.
As far as I have seen though, the hunter seeker is never stopped.
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Jeroen Schipper
wrote:
>Deep deep in the mists of time, Jeroen Schipper
>>Isn't it so that the firestorm has a specific height, so when
>>something is targeted some distance behind the firestorm, the
>>projectile flies *over* the firestorm and lands on it's target. The
>>only thing you can do against it is:
>>1. Create a small base
>>2. Divide your base with firestorms so if one part is targeted, the
>>other part doesn't get hit
>Someone hasn't even been reading the manual:-)
>It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
>It also flies through with me, but not every time.
>As far as I have seen though, the hunter seeker is never stopped.
Well I've read the manual....a minute ago :), and it indeed says that
the firestorm has an infinite height. But hey, do you believe
everything Westwood says? I still don't know how the firethingy works
then.
Zagadka
>
> Deep deep in the mists of time, Jeroen Schipper
> >On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:33:11 GMT,
> >mu...@protossNOILLTASTINGCANNEDMEAT.zzn.com (MuuMiMan) wrote:
> >
> >>It's not that. It depends on where the missile is fired. If it's fired near
> >>the wall, it gets through. If it's fired away from the wall, it doesn't.
> >>It's also a bug.
> >
> >something is targeted some distance behind the firestorm, the
> >projectile flies *over* the firestorm and lands on it's target. The
> >only thing you can do against it is:
> >1. Create a small base
> >2. Divide your base with firestorms so if one part is targeted, the
> >other part doesn't get hit
> >
> Someone hasn't even been reading the manual:-)
> It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
Odd, since Rade said that it won't stop superweapons over 3 months ago.
*imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
stations*
Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they start
to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
Christopher Hill
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> Deep deep in the mists of time, Jeroen Schipper
> <schi...@xs4all.nospam.nl> spake forth saying
> >On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:33:11 GMT,
> >mu...@protossNOILLTASTINGCANNEDMEAT.zzn.com (MuuMiMan) wrote:
> >
> >>It's not that. It depends on where the missile is fired. If it's fired
near
> >>the wall, it gets through. If it's fired away from the wall, it doesn't.
> >>It's also a bug.
> >
> >Isn't it so that the firestorm has a specific height, so when
> >something is targeted some distance behind the firestorm, the
> >projectile flies *over* the firestorm and lands on it's target. The
> >only thing you can do against it is:
> >1. Create a small base
> >2. Divide your base with firestorms so if one part is targeted, the
> >other part doesn't get hit
> >
> >Jeroen
> Someone hasn't even been reading the manual:-)
> It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
> As far as I have seen though, the hunter seeker is never stopped.
Infinitely high. Cool. That means that it projects out from the wall
throughout the universe, destroying anything in the way.
The manual is talking rubbish.
Christopher Hill
>
> *imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
> stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
> stations*
>
> Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
> Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they start
> to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
Good points up to here. But why does nobody listen? ALL MISSILES AND HUNTER
SEEKERS IGNORE THE FIRESTORM SO LONG AS BUGS DON'T CROP UP! IT'S IN
RULES.INI!
Legend Killer
> > It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
Who is the stupid one?
It's an infinitely strong force field, not infinitely high :)
Unless your manual is different from the one from the platinium edition.
James Webley
Subject: Firestorm walls - Functionality?
Newsgroup: alt.games.tiberian-sun
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999
>> Odd, since Rade said that it won't stop superweapons over 3 months ago.
>>
>> *imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
>> stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
>> stations*
>>
>> Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
>> Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they start
>> to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
>
>Good points up to here. But why does nobody listen? ALL MISSILES AND HUNTER
>SEEKERS IGNORE THE FIRESTORM SO LONG AS BUGS DON'T CROP UP! IT'S IN
>RULES.INI!
Go put your rules.ini somewhere disgusting... Go ask Presto, I knocked out
3 missiles in a row with the FSD in a multiplayer game, and he witnessed
them all. It's not a bug...
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It's not infinitely strong, either. Firestorm shield takes a lot of damage,
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Christopher Hill
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> Poster: Christopher Hill
> Subject: Firestorm walls - Functionality?
> Newsgroup: alt.games.tiberian-sun
> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999
>
> >> Odd, since Rade said that it won't stop superweapons over 3 months ago.
> >>
> >> *imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
> >> stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
> >> stations*
> >>
> >> Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
> >> Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they start
> >> to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
> >
> >Good points up to here. But why does nobody listen? ALL MISSILES AND
HUNTER
> >SEEKERS IGNORE THE FIRESTORM SO LONG AS BUGS DON'T CROP UP! IT'S IN
> >RULES.INI!
>
> Go put your rules.ini somewhere disgusting... Go ask Presto, I knocked out
> 3 missiles in a row with the FSD in a multiplayer game, and he witnessed
> them all. It's not a bug...
And? So what? It's still a bug! If it says 'IgnoresFirestorm' in rules.ini,
surely that means that, so long as there are no bugs, it should always
ignore the firestorm! Yes, I have seen the firestorm knock out missiles too.
I have also seen the firestorm let missiles through.
Christopher Hill
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> > > Someone hasn't even been reading the manual:-)
> > > It clearly states the firewall is infinitely high vertically...
>
> Who is the stupid one?
> It's an infinitely strong force field, not infinitely high :)
> Unless your manual is different from the one from the platinium edition.
It says infinitely high in *my* manual (non-Platinum)#
*goes and double checks*
yep, definitely infinitely high.
TCipollina
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Leon Coles
<christop...@ukonline.co.uk> writes
>> Go put your rules.ini somewhere disgusting... Go ask Presto, I knocked out
>> 3 missiles in a row with the FSD in a multiplayer game, and he witnessed
>> them all. It's not a bug...
>
>And? So what? It's still a bug! If it says 'IgnoresFirestorm' in rules.ini,
>surely that means that, so long as there are no bugs, it should always
>ignore the firestorm! Yes, I have seen the firestorm knock out missiles too.
>I have also seen the firestorm let missiles through.
>
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Perhaps like meaning of the .ini tag changed like so much other stuff
did in the last stages of TS's development/"Testing" cycle. Perhaps the
tag means UsuallyIgnoresFirestormUnlessYourReallyRelyingOnThisMissle=Yes
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> James Webley <Unkn...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
> news:H9CLdIA3...@webley.demon.co.uk...
> > Poster: Christopher Hill
> > Subject: Firestorm walls - Functionality?
> > Newsgroup: alt.games.tiberian-sun
> > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999
> >
> > >> Odd, since Rade said that it won't stop superweapons over 3 months
ago.
> > >>
> > >> *imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
> > >> stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
> > >> stations*
> > >>
> > >> Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
> > >> Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they
start
> > >> to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
> > >
> > >Good points up to here. But why does nobody listen? ALL MISSILES AND
> HUNTER
> > >SEEKERS IGNORE THE FIRESTORM SO LONG AS BUGS DON'T CROP UP! IT'S IN
> > >RULES.INI!
> >
Sheitan
> Infinitely high. Cool. That means that it projects out from the wall
> throughout the universe, destroying anything in the way.
>
> The manual is talking rubbish.
> --
Try "indefinitely high" then maybe?
;-)
- Sheitan
Zagadka
>
> > Odd, since Rade said that it won't stop superweapons over 3 months ago.
> >
> > *imagines the complications with having an invulnerable wall that
> > stretches into infinity mixed with space-based satallites and battle
> > stations*
> >
> > Anyhow, I am fairly confident that it depends on the altitude.
> > Superweapons fly at "VeryHigh", above the FireStorm - but if they start
> > to descend early, they, logically, have to descend into it.
>
> Good points up to here. But why does nobody listen? ALL MISSILES AND HUNTER
> SEEKERS IGNORE THE FIRESTORM SO LONG AS BUGS DON'T CROP UP! IT'S IN
> RULES.INI!
I've personally seen a Hunter-Seeker hit my FireStorm, vanish in a poof,
and drain all the power. In my first skirmish game.
Raj Singh
where they couldn't stop the missles by the normal method and decided to
change the figures until it worked.
In ohter words i think the figures in the rule.ini are actually a cure to a
bug not a bug.
Least I hope so.
Raj Singh
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TCipollina
but then Chris said it depends on the map
but then someone said it depends on the country
but then....ahhhh enough already
(breaks down and cries)
and i am glad no one mentioned the droid
oops, ahhhhhhhhh
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>
> Rammel <Ram...@Nildram.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:37d9...@glitch.nildram.co.uk...
> > In single player, it stops them. In multiplayer, where it matters,
it
> > stops nothing for me.. other people claim it stops MIRV, Chem or both.
> > Bizarre..
> >
> > Paul...
>
> I have a suspicion it might work like this: stop both in single player,
stop
> neither in multiplayer, but I'm not sure exactly what happens in
Skirmish.
> I would assume that it stops neither, but....
>
> IMO, the firestorm SHOULD be able to stop missiles, otherwise its a
kindof
> expensive waste, particularly compared to the Stealth Generator.
>
> - Sheitan