The next installment .. .
Sethdog
For homework, I suggest the legal-eagles amongst you - sorry "us" -
turn to the 1977 case of Fujitsu Vs IBM
Fujitsu took IBMs MVS operating system, made a few changes
and then proceeded to market the operating system as their own
MSP. Now, that's brief idea of the background, I admit to not knowing
or understanding the details of the case, that's why you should research
it yourselves.
IBM won this case setting the PRECEDENT for the same copyright laws
that some in this newsgroup defend so adamantly.
I don't see how cloning an object can be considered legal in that context.
Yes, I agree that Maxis endorsed this practice right from the start, by the
addition
of the "UserObjects" directory and also by including the Menu Editor and
it's
associated text "now when you clone objects".
So, dare I say that all objects makers are theives? Lets assume not!
They have created their own "art" and added it to a public domain
plug-in, proclaiming it their own. So if I Tmog a cloned object and
change the text of the description, the price etc., can I claim that as
an artist expression\creation of my own?
Fundamentally, there is no difference. It's a very complex issue that
is contributing to the collapse of smaller "fansites". That's why I'm
raising it
Your Mission, should you choose to accept it, is to debate this issue and
post
the results. Please post on the sims BBS also.
But, they don't like anyone over 12.
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The more you have to pay,
You've got to give it away.
Words by Bono - Copyright 2001
ohmikeghod
along with some tools, and links to third-party tools. Will Wright has
stated in posts on other NGs that it is Maxis' intention to release Edith,
the internal editor that they use to work with objects, to the general
public (us). It's not theft when you have been granted permission by the
copyright holder. IBM never granted permission to Fujitsu to copy the OS.
EA/Maxis has never granted permission to copy the software. Please note
that objects are not part of the software, but are separate files that work
with the software. I'll also refer you right back, if you're talking about
legal precedents: Xerox vs. Apple/Microsoft, regarding copyrights on
windowed operating systems. A vigorous defense is required to prevent
copyrights from going into the public domain. Since Maxis not only has not
defended, but encouraged the cloning of their objects, quid pro quo.
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Sethdog
>The difference between the two is that Maxis has granted permission to
copy,
>along with some tools, and links to third-party tools.
Where and when was permission granted? Whenever I raise the issue with
Maxis, they
dodge it.
>Will Wright has
>stated in posts on other NGs that it is Maxis' intention to release Edith,
>the internal editor that they use to work with objects, to the general
>public (us).
And Maxis Staff in theSims.com chat and BBS have stated that there is no way
that Edith will ever be released. Does Will Wright sit on the EA board?
>It's not theft when you have been granted permission by the
>copyright holder.
That's why I'm trying to determine WHO exactly is the copyright holder.
>IBM never granted permission to Fujitsu to copy the OS.
>EA/Maxis has never granted permission to copy the software. Please note
>that objects are not part of the software, but are separate files that work
>with the software.
The objects come with the game, they aren't sold individually (yet).
They operate in a manner that is consistent with the concept of a
"plug in".
I'll also refer you right back, if you're talking about
>legal precedents: Xerox vs. Apple/Microsoft, regarding copyrights on
>windowed operating systems. A vigorous defense is required to prevent
>copyrights from going into the public domain. Since Maxis not only has not
>defended, but encouraged the cloning of their objects, quid pro quo.
So all objects are free to be cloned by anyone?
So why all the noise about "someone stole my object"?
Do you modify the reaction strings in the object too?
Do you have an example of an object that doesn't use maxis code?
Sethdog
Kalheka
(www.thesimsresource.com) and find where Will Wright states that they (Maxis)
supports the use of their objects for making new stuff and that they wanted to
make a highly customizable game.
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but I didn't know about Fujitsu.
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ohmikeghod
> news:s_k18.5992$gf1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> |
> | >The difference between the two is that Maxis has granted permission to
> | copy,
> | >along with some tools, and links to third-party tools.
> |
> | Where and when was permission granted? Whenever I raise the issue with
> | Maxis, they
> | dodge it.
Kalheka has already answered this question.
> |
> | >Will Wright has
> | >stated in posts on other NGs that it is Maxis' intention to release
Edith,
> | >the internal editor that they use to work with objects, to the general
> | >public (us).
> |
> | And Maxis Staff in theSims.com chat and BBS have stated that there is no
way
> | that Edith will ever be released. Does Will Wright sit on the EA board?
So, to information that has been posted here and elsewhere, you come up with
a kneee-jerk response? I can repost the remarks by Will Wright, and have
never (though I've looked) seen a transcript that said that Edith was not
going to be released. So, produce the transcript. Whether or not Will sits
on the EA board or not is irrelevant. He's the guy in charge, and I'll
beleive what he has said before I believe any undocumented words from one of
the people who work for him.
> | >It's not theft when you have been granted permission by the
> | >copyright holder.
> |
> | That's why I'm trying to determine WHO exactly is the copyright holder.
First of all, determine what is copyrightable, and what is not. The IFF
format is not copyrightable, though the documentation for that format can
be. The format could have a software patent against it, but I kind of doubt
that, since it was derived from a public-domain format that was used on
Amigas. The content of the IFF file? Only if no significant changes have
been made. Changing the sprites is a significant change. Adding additional
motivations and animations is another.
The sprites? YES! The sprites are copyrightable as independent works of
art. As long as they are not derivative, they are copyrightable. So, what
constitutes a derivative work? Recolors are obvious derivatives, since they
use the substance of all the sprites. Shadows - those that are more than
recolors, but use the same Alpha and Z-buffers - the outside shape, so to
speak, have a shared copyright. The person who created the Alphas and Zees
has as much right (and should be asked for permission) to his work on those
buffers as the person who creates the outside art, or P-buffers.
Given the fact that much of the internal documentation of IFF files has been
published on the internet The old white-room defense can be used here, in
most cases, since the people involved did not have access to Maxis' docs.
Since there was no significant opposition (read none) by Maxis, I could make
a case in court on saying that Maxis has lost any copyright protection on
their IFF files due to lack of a vigorous defense.
> | >IBM never granted permission to Fujitsu to copy the OS.
> | >EA/Maxis has never granted permission to copy the software. Please
note
> | >that objects are not part of the software, but are separate files that
work
> | >with the software.
> |
> | The objects come with the game, they aren't sold individually (yet).
> | They operate in a manner that is consistent with the concept of a
> | "plug in".
The objects I make don't come with the game. I double-dare you to find a
pagoda roof in the vanilla game or any expansion, or a gable roof of any
kind. I triple-dare you to put one of the cars that came with the game or
any expansion into a driveway. Do these changes constitute a significant
difference? I think so.
> | I'll also refer you right back, if you're talking about
> | >legal precedents: Xerox vs. Apple/Microsoft, regarding copyrights on
> | >windowed operating systems. A vigorous defense is required to prevent
> | >copyrights from going into the public domain. Since Maxis not only has
not
> | >defended, but encouraged the cloning of their objects, quid pro quo.
> |
> | So all objects are free to be cloned by anyone?
No, only those created by Maxis.
> | So why all the noise about "someone stole my object"?
You don't understand what is copyrightable, and what is not. The artwork is
copyrightable. Using it requires permission of the artist. The IFF file in
itself is not. It is an envelope for the copyrighted material. So, when
someone says "someone stole my object", they are actually saying "someone
used my copyrighted art without permission."
> | Do you modify the reaction strings in the object too?
Sometimes. Whether or not IFF tweaks are copyrightable is a completely
different can of worms, since two people can actually create the same tweak
independently. It's much easier to determine whether artwork, including
Alpha and z-buffers, has been misappropriated.
> | Do you have an example of an object that doesn't use maxis code?
Every one of the objects interact with the game. The game is the canvas for
object creators to work with. Does an artist copyright the canvas? No. He
copyrights the art which goes on it.
All of this was on posts not too long ago. Why don't you do a google search
(I'll give you a hint - the keyword is "copyright"), and find out what was
said back then? I don't want to have this discussion all over again. Do
some homework.
ohmikeghod
created a clone of the IBM mainframe and stole the operating system code.
It was the landmark case for software copyrights, and it determined that
both the source and the code derived from the source were covered under
copyright laws.
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others can exchange warez programs....news:HXp18.33241$Vq.331587@rwcrnsc53...
Stanley Rexwinkle
compuserve lost proprietary ownership of the GIF format the file format
ceased to be protected.
pdf is only read by a program owned by adobe, but pdf files are freely
available.
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ohmikeghod
be someone who is not really conversant with copyrights, and a bit vague on
the concept, though. He does seem to be someone who tries to answer
questions here, and that should be encouraged. And, if he is a warez jock,
maybe we can cure him of that unfortunate affliction. He did ask the same
questions that were answered months ago during "The great copyright
discussion." I remember that the discussion started over pay sites, and the
mistaken opinion that people were being forced to pay for Maxis' work.
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Sethdog
I want to point out that all those who engage in object creation, that the
issue of "ownership" of said objects IS NOT CLEAR. This WILL be a problem
when SimsOnline is released. They made some subtle changes to file
structures in the HotDate release, there will be more in Vacation. When
Online gets released, I'm betting that Online will need to counter object
"clashes" - you know Stanley, the problem that the "magic cookie" characters
resolves in the current releases. My best guess is that objects WONT be
interchangeable between Online and stand-alone versions of the Sims.
MAXIS: You can respond to this and correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure that
we'd all like to know the truth.
STANLEY: I am tiring rapidly of your stupid little jibes about my
involvement with warez groups. What name am I supposed to posting under?
Which group in particular? What software am I trading illegally?
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF OF THIS - SHUT UP.
I do not post or download into any warez group. My first post to ANY
newsgroup, was two days ago, here. This was to intervene in one of the most
pathetic displays of human behaviour that I've come across and to point out
that some people like ME don't like it. After all, my country is a
democracy that likes to speak it's mind, just like yours.
I told you before, I work in an area that have access to virtually all major
software products currently on the market. We Facility Manage large
divisions of the Government Department that I work for. If I want to use
any software, the licencing agreements we have allow me to install most of
those products on my work PC quite within the framework of Australian
legislation.
YOU are the biggest troll in this group. I will be watching YOUR posts most
intently for false accusations; harassment; and lies in general. Your
treatment of "certain" individuals was at best pathetic, and was, for
someone that didn't know either party at the the time, humiliating to
endure.
Please, stop wasting world resources and just die.
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Sethdog
Do you then envisage a situation where Site downloads could consist of the
sprites only and not the balance of the (maxis) object code? Dare I say it,
this may have a positive spin for those sites with excessive bandwidth
charges . . .
If Will Wright doesn't sit on the EA board, then he doesn't make the "big"
decisions. Like dropping SimsVille, to which there was also no 'Official'
comment posted on EA.Com or TheSims.com. They left it to be disseminated by
Patrick Barrett and David Ray at Simplus et al. Compare the releases about
Vacation on the two sites. Notice that Maxis don't make any commitments as
to what will be IN the game, just in case. The initial post also referred
to non-existant press releases on the EA site.
In terms of big business ethics, ever wonder why you got a Pepsi download
and not it's more popular competitor? A quick rundown of the EA board shows
that at least two members are ex-Pepsi staff.
The post on this topic was removed in it's entirety from the Sims BBS, prior
to my accounts being disabled.
Do you think that the lucrative teen market needs yet another advertising
medium? By stealth?
So, are the pennies finally starting to drop around here?
Are we able to use all the pent-up hatred and anger that shows up in this
group and direct it elsewhere? Like EA?
You'd think that with all of that 1.3BN that they've made, that they could
hire a kid after school to keep the links page up-to-date. Until, of
course, you realise that Maxis possibly have a vested interest in
controlling the flow of web traffic. Once again, Maxis, if this is
incorrect please ask and I'll make a public retraction after I see your
valid explanation.
So, when you stick up for EA and Maxis "rights" to not have their software
pirated, you could balance that against what they RETURN to the gaming
community. Seems like they are the ones stealing. Ask some of the former
website owners who have folded: "how much did you donate in websites costs
to promote Maxis' game?"
Stan, got any ideas, mate?
Sethdog
(appearing as _dog)
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as above, so below
noname
> Wrong.
>
> I want to point out that all those who engage in object creation, that the
> issue of "ownership" of said objects IS NOT CLEAR. This WILL be a
problem
> when SimsOnline is released. They made some subtle changes to file
> structures in the HotDate release, there will be more in Vacation. When
> Online gets released, I'm betting that Online will need to counter object
> "clashes" - you know Stanley, the problem that the "magic cookie"
characters
> resolves in the current releases. My best guess is that objects WONT be
> interchangeable between Online and stand-alone versions of the Sims.
http://www.moove.com go here and have a look around...download rose if you
want. It's an online chat world that beats the others hands down. Betting
Sims online will have a lot in common with this one. There are tons of user
made objects here. If you get rose and have any questions, i'm n0name28 of
thegreenroom as well as Starscip of TerokNor there. Be happy to show you
around. Should have a better idea then.
noname
noname
>
> Are we able to use all the pent-up hatred and anger that shows up in this
> group and direct it elsewhere? Like EA?
Hmm...I have the EA cheerleader cleaning toilets in my game. Or did until I
downloaded something that switched it back to a maid.
noname
ohmikeghod
> Thank you. After reading that I'm much better informed than I was.
>
> Do you then envisage a situation where Site downloads could consist of the
> sprites only and not the balance of the (maxis) object code? Dare I say
it,
> this may have a positive spin for those sites with excessive bandwidth
> charges . . .
First of all, like I said the IFF format is not copyrightable. The format
might not even be patentable.
Let's clear things up about copyright. If I ask my friend, Kelly Freas, for
permission to use a painting of his to put into a wall painting that I
create using The Sims Art Studio, and he says OK, does he lose his copyright
because it is now in an object that is used in the game?
ohmikeghod
>
> If Will Wright doesn't sit on the EA board, then he doesn't make the "big"
> decisions. Like dropping SimsVille, to which there was also no 'Official'
> comment posted on EA.Com or TheSims.com. They left it to be disseminated
by
> Patrick Barrett and David Ray at Simplus et al. Compare the releases
about
> Vacation on the two sites. Notice that Maxis don't make any commitments
as
> to what will be IN the game, just in case. The initial post also referred
> to non-existant press releases on the EA site.
If you do a google search, you will find the cancellation press release in
this NG. It was downloaded by someone and posted. So much for
non-existent. There was also a chat with the developers (after the press
release). You will find the transcript of the chat on TSR. ISTR that the
press release was up on the EA site for about a month, because we kept
referring people to it. What this has to do with copyright issues, I don't
know.
ohmikeghod
> Thank you. After reading that I'm much better informed than I was.
> In terms of big business ethics, ever wonder why you got a Pepsi download
> and not it's more popular competitor? A quick rundown of the EA board
shows
> that at least two members are ex-Pepsi staff.
> The post on this topic was removed in it's entirety from the Sims BBS,
prior
> to my accounts being disabled.
> Do you think that the lucrative teen market needs yet another advertising
> medium? By stealth?
There was $$$ and other considerations exchanged between Maxis and Pepsi.
So what? Big companies pay for product placement in movies, why not games?
What has this got to do with copyright issues?
Helena Handbasket
: ( )@( )
:
: . <== Oh, look! A piece of someone's brain!
Will you remove this from your sig? I find it pathetic and extremely OFFENSIVE!!!!!
Now for your treatment of Stan and how you show us how mature you are:
You said:
Please, stop wasting world resources and just die.
This is a pitiful response for someone who is so "educated".
I quote:
Your
treatment of "certain" individuals was at best pathetic, and was, for
someone that didn't know either party at the time, humiliating to
endure.
Now this statement is PATHETIC!!!!! Especially when you show yourself as guilty of the same
"crime".
:
Now for the part where you appeared sane for a moment:
I want to point out that all those who engage in object creation, that the
issue of "ownership" of said objects IS NOT CLEAR. This WILL be a problem
when SimsOnline is released. They made some subtle changes to file
structures in the HotDate release, there will be more in Vacation. When
Online gets released, I'm betting that Online will need to counter object
"clashes" - you know Stanley, the problem that the "magic cookie" characters
resolves in the current releases. My best guess is that objects WONT be
interchangeable between Online and stand-alone versions of the Sims.
This WILL be a problem when SimsOnline is released. They made some subtle changes to file
: structures in the HotDate release, there will be more in Vacation. When
: Online gets released, I'm betting that Online will need to counter object
: "clashes" - you know Stanley, the problem that the "magic cookie" characters
: resolves in the current releases. My best guess is that objects WONT be
: interchangeable between Online and stand-alone versions of the Sims.
I must agree with you there, not on fact but a strong suspision that Maxis is trying to wean us from
third party objects. It may end up being impossible to play the game with 3rd party objects and
they may run into serious problems with it. How many people would be playing the game without 3rd
party objects? Not for as long as most Sim addicts have already. The game would become stale fast.
I hope they can come up with a package that will entertain long enough to enjoy the success The Sims
have now.
I will not be playing online as I don't have the system requirements or a fast enough connection.
My dial-up will be way to slow.
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ohmikeghod
> Are we able to use all the pent-up hatred and anger that shows up in this
> group and direct it elsewhere? Like EA?
Why should we? Because you have something against them, there is no reason
why we should.
> You'd think that with all of that 1.3BN that they've made, that they could
> hire a kid after school to keep the links page up-to-date. Until, of
> course, you realise that Maxis possibly have a vested interest in
> controlling the flow of web traffic. Once again, Maxis, if this is
> incorrect please ask and I'll make a public retraction after I see your
> valid explanation.
You seem to be under the impression that people from Maxis post here. I
don't think so, and I've been here a while.
> So, when you stick up for EA and Maxis "rights" to not have their software
> pirated, you could balance that against what they RETURN to the gaming
> community. Seems like they are the ones stealing. Ask some of the former
> website owners who have folded: "how much did you donate in websites costs
> to promote Maxis' game?"
The first sentence does seem like you are trying to justufy warez, and I
wouldn't be surprised if someone took it the wrong way. What does pirated
software have to do with bandwidth charges? There is currently a petition
going around to have Maxis donate webspace to creators. I'm not certain
that this wouldn't create a legal nightmare for Maxis.
As I said before, what has any of this got to do with copyright?
Wojo
thusly spoke:
>Please, stop wasting world resources and just die.
I think I'm going to like this group.
Wojo
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Is that all we get? This any better?
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Helena Handbasket
Is that all we get?
: Sorry. I apologise. I didn't realise who's brain it was.
You shouldn't speak about your body parts like that. Actually it looks like you blew your own brain
right out that nasty little butt of yours.
Tsk Tsk!
AND TURN ON YOUR SPELL CHECK DUMMY!
Sethdog
A few sites, Simfreaks for example, place things like the Ansel Adams
paintings up as a download, then claim this as an artistic creation of their
own. Other sites have famous works of art for download, again claiming the
object as an artistic creation. This may be legal/ethical whatever. I
think that it's important to know what the answer is. Did Simfreaks get the
copyright holder's permission to use the Ansel Adams images? Let's not
forget, that we have established that it is THE IMAGES that are the artistic
and unique (intellectual property) components of the objects.
Object Ownership
I see sites claiming "these are my objects, don't put them up for download,
I want the credit";
along with "I'm doing this for fun and/or others in the Sim community";
as well as "I can't afford the bandwidth charges"
Then these sites are their own worst enemy.
If you're doing it for fun or for sharing with others, great. But why make
the use "conditional"?
Why not along with sharing your talents, share the bandwidth costs by
allowing other sites to freely offer your downloads from their site? I am
aware of the issue of someone making CDs to sell with people's objects on
it, why not look at that as another way of relieving bandwidth costs? Sure,
it's not good to encourage that sort of thing, but aren't TSR also offering
objects on CD? Are the creators of those objects getting any financial
benefit?
EA and Maxis wouldn't have had any where near the success of the game if it
hadn't been supported by the range of additional material, supplied free of
charge and distributed at the owners cost as well!
I got asked in another post where my website was. Technically the answer is
that I haven't written a business case for it. If it goes ahead it will be
funded by advertising and any sim objects will be free. I will encourage
the placement of my objects onto other websites so that they can share the
cost (I learnt this strategy from Maxis). It may not happen. I watch a
post announcing a new site go up here, only to find that that site has
ALREADY exceeded it bandwidth allocation for the month, by the time I get to
it.
MAXIS Staff:
WorldSims is run by "ManagerJosh". I emailed him and asked if he was
related to Maxis. He denied this. I asked him about this, as in my
opinion, his site wasn't as good as "the Admirable Fantastic Shop". A site
that had never made it onto the Maxis Fansite page. Yet Worldsims was a
"featured site". What was the difference I thought?
One night TROLLING in the maxis chat room, there was a "DirectorJosh" busily
warning people to "lose caps".
I asked him if he knew "managerJosh". He replied that he WAS "managerJosh".
Now I understood why Simsplus, with 2.5million hits and bugger all in the
way of content, was consistently referred to from the Sims chat room. Steve
Bonham from TSR also appears SimmasterSteve. Now this may be legal - I
don't find it ethical, however.
MayorMike claims that Edith will never be released. If Edith is released
publicly, they can say goodbye to any profits that can be made from "unique"
objects, such as the ones that Simsplus has. Oh, how is it that Simsplus
has access to Edith? Of course, Patrick Barrett works there. That's a
rather unfair advantage over the other fansites, don't you think?
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Is that all we get?
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>
> Is that all we get?
>
> : Sorry. I apologise. I didn't realise who's brain it was.
>
> You shouldn't speak about your body parts like that. Actually it looks
like you blew your own brain
> right out that nasty little butt of yours.
>
> Tsk Tsk!
>
> AND TURN ON YOUR SPELL CHECK DUMMY!
Sorry to be daft, but where's the typo? Normally I can spot them right
off...well, everyones but mine anyway.
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> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:16:23 GMT, "Helena Handbasket"
> <gingerr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >apologise realise
>
> Those aren't typos. That's the British spelling of those words.
>
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: >apologise realise
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: Those aren't typos. That's the British spelling of those words.
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: "who's brain" (s/b "whose brain").
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: >You mean.... Webster lies?!?
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: >So sorry then. My mistake.
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Sims featured on Drew Carey show..... Drew Carey featured on The Sims....
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2.us-midwest
3.us-dixie
4.us-new england
5.us-texan
6.us-great lakes
7.us-californian
8.us-nw
9.us-sw
10-us mississippi delta
11.us-north central cheese area
12.us-florida
13.brit-caribbean
14.austrailian-main
15. australian-tasmanian
16. new zealander
17somoan-english
18.bengalienglish
19.one of the official languages of india [it aint spoken by queen nor prez
bush]
20. lets just leave pakistani out of this list?
21.afrikan english
22.guayanan
23.adopted [by force] language of ireland
till they switch back to gaelic
24 adopted language of scotland till they revert back to gaelic.
25.business language of world
26.ebonics [old ebonics is also called jive]
27...did i leave anybody out?
suprisingly the only person i ever heard master ALL flavors of english
languages was Don Francisco of Sabado Gigante on the spanish language
channel. he was on the tonight show one night and went through a bunch of
them.... had them down pat... of course his spanish is great too.
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> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:16:23 GMT, "Helena Handbasket"
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Helena Handbasket
That's only 60 miles away!
Arkies talk funny!
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: 1.british
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:
: Yeah, and why isn't "gullible" in Webster's?
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Briar
Incomplete list I will point out the ones I know
> 1.british
> 2.us-midwest
2.1 River
2.2 Apilachian
2.2.1 South Appalachian
2.2.2 West Virginian appalachian (Hill)
2.3 Up hollow
2.3.1 Up Hollar
2.3.2 Up Holler
2.4 Rust belt
2.5 Corn belt
2.5.1 West Corn Belt
2.5.2 East Corn Belt
> 3.us-dixie
3.1 deep south
3.2 Virginian
3.2.1 Tidewater
3.2.2 Pedmont
3.3 Georgian
3.4 Mississippi valley
3.5 Mississippi Delta
3.6 Gulla
> 4.us-new england
> 5.us-texan
> 6.us-great lakes<<<<< Variation of Rust Belt it extends South to Columbus,
OH and Indianapolis, IN
noname
> Chuckle! You should see how bad I flub with double letter words.
>
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> :
> : who's should read whose
Completely missed 'who's' but I said normally...lol Got to cover my bases.
As for 'everyones' in my reply, I missed that one, too sort of. I had the
apostrophe in there and took it out...twice. :P
noname, (self appointed queen of the typo)
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: >It flew over their head?
: >
: >Wait a minute! It is in mine!
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: Pleeeeeeease tell me you didn't actually look it up! LOL!
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2 dictionarys, huh?news:pxL18.336066$m05.27...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
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: >I had to! I'm gullible! ;-DDDDD
:
: But that's one of the oldest jokes! I thought everyone knew that one
: already. Nice to know it's an oldie but still a goodie!
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: 2 dictionarys, huh?
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>
> No wonder prised always looked so weird to me.
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Stanley Rexwinkle
actually cajun is french isn't it?
neworleans yeah... missed it i also forgot memphisism too
btw dc ebonics is different from oakland ebonics which is different from
long beach ebonics ...
abd remember airplane movie where barbara billingsly translate between
english and jive [pre-ebonics].
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> Lots. Bal'more and surrounding parts of Maryland, hon (near where I
> now live). They say, "Go downy ayshun" to mean "Go to the beach."
> And there are several flavors of New England. Many flavors of U.S.
> Southern. Cajun and New Orleans in Louisiana.
>
> BW
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> "Stanley Rexwinkle" <hahn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Incomplete list I will point out the ones I know
>
> > 1.british
> > 2.us-midwest
> 2.1 River
> 2.2 Apilachian
> 2.2.1 South Appalachian
> 2.2.2 West Virginian appalachian (Hill)
> 2.3 Up hollow
> 2.3.1 Up Hollar
> 2.3.2 Up Holler
> 2.4 Rust belt
> 2.5 Corn belt
> 2.5.1 West Corn Belt
> 2.5.2 East Corn Belt
> > 3.us-dixie
> 3.1 deep south
> 3.2 Virginian
> 3.2.1 Tidewater
> 3.2.2 Pedmont
> 3.3 Georgian
oldehippie
Might want to if you were driving to your next boot sale. (hope I said it
right)
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> I had to! I'm gullible! ;-DDDDD
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> You mean.... Webster lies?!?
>
> So sorry then. My mistake.
Well, "realise" is fine, but he/she/it used "who's" instead of "whose", so
you can still make fun of him/her/it. :)
Karen
Sethdog
disappoint you.
Congratulations noname, subtle, but effective.
Yes Katie, we spell them with an "ess" not a "zed".
Yes, our engines use petrol, but we tend to use the filler near the boot
(not trunk) of the car. We can have our engines converted to "dual fuel"
being Gas (LPG) and unleaded. We open the bonnet (not hood) to put oil (not
Mobil) and sometimes coolant (not water) in. We also drive on the left hand
side. We use the metric system (since 1972) and we also spell metre << like
that. Same with fibre, centre, litre etc. Unlike the UK, we call them cars,
not motors.
Thanks Stanley, for making a post that didn't contain "warez".
Welcome to an international exchange of cultural differences. It didn't
hurt did it?
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> Copyright.
>
> A few sites, Simfreaks for example, place things like the Ansel Adams
> paintings up as a download, then claim this as an artistic creation of
their
> own. Other sites have famous works of art for download, again claiming
the
> object as an artistic creation. This may be legal/ethical whatever. I
> think that it's important to know what the answer is. Did Simfreaks get
the
> copyright holder's permission to use the Ansel Adams images? Let's not
> forget, that we have established that it is THE IMAGES that are the
artistic
> and unique (intellectual property) components of the objects.
Considering that much of Ansel Adam's photograpohy is in the public domain,
I seriously doubt that permission was needed. His most famous work was
performed prior to 1932, with his High Sierras series being published in
1927. I looked this up. You should have. So much for your contention.
> Object Ownership
>
> I see sites claiming "these are my objects, don't put them up for
download,
> I want the credit";
> along with "I'm doing this for fun and/or others in the Sim community";
> as well as "I can't afford the bandwidth charges"
I don't see any conflict. When I create an object, I have fun doing it. I
want the credit for the hard work I put into it, and I want others to use
it, but I don't want others to steal it, take credit for it, or create
derivative works of it without my permission. Bandwidth is no my concern.
LIU has found a host that provides extremely affordable bandwidth, but I'm
not the wemaster or even webmonster. :-)
> Then these sites are their own worst enemy.
I assume that this statement pertains to pay sites. So, do people use the
sites? Simfreaks and 8DS are still in business, so I wouldn't take your
statement as being totally true. They made some money, which pays for
bandwidth, and the people who refuse to pay dropped the bandwidth to
something affordable to the webmasters. Sounds to me like a win-win
situation.
> If you're doing it for fun or for sharing with others, great. But why make
> the use "conditional"?
Becua
> Why not along with sharing your talents, share the bandwidth costs by
> allowing other sites to freely offer your downloads from their site? I am
> aware of the issue of someone making CDs to sell with people's objects on
> it, why not look at that as another way of relieving bandwidth costs?
Sure,
> it's not good to encourage that sort of thing, but aren't TSR also
offering
> objects on CD? Are the creators of those objects getting any financial
> benefit?
Since I have never offered anything to TSR, I have no idea. I submit my
stuff to LIU. The benefit that I get there is being part of the group of
very talented people there, and I also include the people who have left and
still remain my friends. In any case, TSR may be violationg copyrights, but
they may have gained more than first publishing rights, or further rights
may be implied in the submission process. I don't know.
> EA and Maxis wouldn't have had any where near the success of the game if
it
> hadn't been supported by the range of additional material, supplied free
of
> charge and distributed at the owners cost as well!
What has this got to do with copyright?
>
> I got asked in another post where my website was. Technically the answer
is
> that I haven't written a business case for it. If it goes ahead it will
be
> funded by advertising and any sim objects will be free. I will encourage
> the placement of my objects onto other websites so that they can share the
> cost (I learnt this strategy from Maxis). It may not happen. I watch a
> post announcing a new site go up here, only to find that that site has
> ALREADY exceeded it bandwidth allocation for the month, by the time I get
to
> it.
That's one of the problems with "free" websites. They aren't free. Are you
prepared to pay 2-300 dollars in real money in excess bandwidth to keep your
site available (in the first month, if you post it here). If your site gets
popular, like Simfreaks, are you willing to pay $3,000 per month to keep
your site running? They were, for far longer than you probably would have.
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>A few sites, Simfreaks for example, place things like the Ansel Adams
>paintings up as a download, then claim this as an artistic creation of their
>own. Other sites have famous works of art for download, again claiming the
>object as an artistic creation.
The copyrights have expired (if they ever existed - copyright is a relatively
new concept) on older works of art. If all you do is put the work into the
sprite, without changing anything, it's certainly not copyrighted by the site
that created the object. However, some objects use a graphic as a base for
creation of something completely unique and new, which may or may not be "fair
use" of the graphic. Regardless, whoever made the object did take some time to
create it, and even if not copyrighted, it's only fair to respect their wishes
concerning the object. Believe me, object creation takes a *lot* of time, even
when you're doing a good recolor.
>Why not along with sharing your talents, share the bandwidth costs by
>allowing other sites to freely offer your downloads from their site?
I tend to agree with this - with the bandwidth problems, as far as I'm
concerned, if someone else wants to upload my stuff, they're free to do it.
But I still respect the wishes of others concerning their stuff. Personally, I
don't care if I'm known throughout the Sims Community, have my site listed on
every hot list or be number one. I just want to make stuff, and hopefully
other people will enjoy it. But that's just my motivation. Other people want
more recognition. It's a personality difference.
>I asked him about this, as in my
>opinion, his site wasn't as good as "the Admirable Fantastic Shop". A site
>that had never made it onto the Maxis Fansite page. Yet Worldsims was a
>"featured site".
I believe there are some requirements such as having a forum and other things
on your site in order to be listed at the Maxis site. In any event, there are
certainly some webmasters who, like me, would rather not be listed there due to
the bandwidth issue.
Sethdog
>Considering that much of Ansel Adam's photograpohy is in the public domain,
>I seriously doubt that permission was needed. His most famous work was
>performed prior to 1932, with his High Sierras series being published in
>1927. I looked this up. You should have. So much for your contention.
I didn't, bad luck. Contention?
After all your research, you still didn't identify the copy right owner of
the images used by Simfreaks.
Just as the "John Lennon Estate" still owns the copyright to John Lennon IP,
so too, SOMEBODY owns the copyright to the artistic images portrayed in the
Simfreaks object. I DOUBT SERIOUSLY that the copyright owner is Simfreaks.
> Object Ownership
>I don't see any conflict. When I create an object, I have fun doing it. I
>want the credit for the hard work I put into it, and I want others to use
>it, but I don't want others to steal it, take credit for it, or create
>derivative works of it without my permission.
WHY NOT? is it ego or money?
>Bandwidth is no my concern.
Well, it's mine. I'm tired of seeing "little" sites pay for Maxis
advertising.
>> Then these sites are their own worst enemy.
If you say "nobody has the right to distribute MY object",
then don't complain when EVERYONE comes to you door demanding it and
expecting YOU to pay for it's delivery. Or: Put up or shut up.
>
>Since I have never offered anything to TSR, I have no idea. I submit my
>stuff to LIU. The benefit that I get there is being part of the group of
>very talented people there, and I also include the people who have left and
>still remain my friends. In any case, TSR may be violationg copyrights,
but
>they may have gained more than first publishing rights, or further rights
>may be implied in the submission process. I don't know.
whaaa?
>That's one of the problems with "free" websites. They aren't free. Are
you
>prepared to pay 2-300 dollars in real money in excess bandwidth to keep
your
>site available (in the first month, if you post it here). If your site
gets
>popular, like Simfreaks, are you willing to pay $3,000 per month to keep
>your site running? They were, for far longer than you probably would have.
If I were spending US$3,000 per month, that translates to AUD$6,000 or 14%
of my income.
I would be prepared if there were some long-term strategy and something to
be gained from it, in the long-term. If you're telling me that, Simfreaks
spend US$3-4000 per month because they want to "give" something to the
community, sorry. I don't buy that. No-one does that unless they have a
long-term plan.
Heather Castillo has made it clear on the Simfreaks site that she is, by
profession, a developer that specialises in web services. Her husband,
according to the site, is an IT security specialist. They make it clear
that her husband's company is LEADING EDGE in that field. Read the bios.
They leave no question as to their motives. They are a professional couple
who have everything "mapped out".
Didn't you read about Heather's trip to Maxis? Have YOU been to Maxis?
Draw. Your. Own. Conclusions.
I haven't set up a website. I know I can't afford it. Without doing the
business case.
Mike, I'm very sorry if reality bites. But, that's why I'm the dog.
Sethdog
For all those who doubt.
I can be proven WRONG. Just like others.
Question everything.
My point remains:
Unless you're worried about losing something, why is there so much concern
over object ownership? If you want to give, give! If you want to sell,
then sell!
But, don't fucking lie to us.
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> I tend to agree with this - with the bandwidth problems, as far as I'm
> concerned, if someone else wants to upload my stuff, they're free to do it.
> But I still respect the wishes of others concerning their stuff. Personally,
I
> don't care if I'm known throughout the Sims Community, have my site listed on
> every hot list or be number one. I just want to make stuff, and hopefully
> other people will enjoy it. But that's just my motivation. Other people want
> more recognition. It's a personality difference.
I can see your point. In my case, I don't care who hosts it, as long as they
don't claim to have done the work.
Sethdog
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: > You mean.... Webster lies?!?
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> Nope! I'm the one who used who's. LOL! I always make fun of myself! If I can't
laugh at myself
> ...
And that's but one of the reasons we (I/Bonnie) love ya~
;-)'d
Michael
gmarius
> oops forgot canada and newfie
>
I would break it out as follows:
Canadian - English
Maritime (eh?)
Central (i.e. Ontario, Skydome being the centre of the world)
Quebecois (Watch the Royal Canadian Air Farce's take on Uncle John!)
Prairie (Note especially the Albertan accent in the word Refoooorm!)
West Coast (More of a semantic difference. For example, if someone from BC
says, "I like sports." actually means "We want to be viewed as cosmopolitan
enough to compete with the major centres in the USA but really do not want to
watch a bunch of losers play basketball."
;-)
Kalheka
France, and Australia that I wouldn't have met if not for online, and NG's like
this one.
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it's to dang hard" LOL.
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<snippage>
| Heather Castillo has made it clear on the Simfreaks site that she is, by
| profession, a developer that specialises in web services. Her husband,
| according to the site, is an IT security specialist. They make it clear
| that her husband's company is LEADING EDGE in that field. Read the bios.
| They leave no question as to their motives. They are a professional couple
| who have everything "mapped out".
Well the Sims items were meant as a free download. But now that I think about
it I am certain that your right about the "mapped out" part. Heather could
definitely use the website as her "resume".
Briar
take out a 12mm bolt and have only a 1/2 inch wrench. close but no cigar.
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Kalheka
school and it is easier to use. I find that the problem for me with metrics is
I am used to American Standard benchmarks, like 1/2 inch. It is hard for me to
think of Metric references. Funny you say its a mile and I can say "OK!" with
no problem, I can imagine a mile (in a vague sense) but you say 2 Kilometers and
I say "duh?" . And then I have to do the mental conversion and say 2 Kilometers
is approx. a mile and a quarter. LOL. I think most people in America have that
problem and thats what killed the Metric system. All they really need to do is
teach the two side by side for a while then drop American and join the rest of
the world.
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Briar
> LOL I hear ya there. I have experience with metrics from a drafting class
in
> school and it is easier to use. I find that the problem for me with
metrics is
> I am used to American Standard benchmarks, like 1/2 inch. It is hard for
me to
> think of Metric references. Funny you say its a mile and I can say "OK!"
with
> no problem, I can imagine a mile (in a vague sense) but you say 2
Kilometers and
> I say "duh?" . And then I have to do the mental conversion and say 2
Kilometers
> is approx. a mile and a quarter. LOL. I think most people in America
have that
> problem and thats what killed the Metric system. All they really need to
do is
> teach the two side by side for a while then drop American and join the
rest of
> the world.
>
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>
I once had a car with a digital dash you could change from metric to SAE and
was driving to Lexington, KY with the speedo set on metric. My wife of that
time said slow down 135 anything is too fast.
Christineee la Queen
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Christineee la Queen
Fa-gett abowt Et!
haha, I conceal my accent because i think it makes me sound ignorant, so when
people talk to me [from other states and countries] they say I either have a
slight accent or none at all. lol
Stanley Rexwinkle
i did forget brooklynese and bronxish
hows could i foget dat?
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Stanley Rexwinkle
and newfie should be seperate....
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and in dixie "gyon-ge'ou'here" is actually a word...
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gmarius
> again, isn't quebecois french?
> and newfie should be seperate....
No. Quebecois speak a language that they claim is french but they also speak a
language that they claim is english. Strange thing is that a person from France
has trouble understanding the french and any 'anglophone' would not recognize
the Quebecois english.
Speaking a near english myself, I can attest to the later. The former was
brought to my attention by person from France that was visiting the country.
After working beside a newfie for 7 years and then a Cape Bretoner for 3 months,
not a lot of difference. Well speed.....
:-)
noname
>
> 'anglophone'
The new way to reach out and touch someone...
noname
invisible girl
>No. Quebecois speak a language that they claim is french but they also speak
>a
>language that they claim is english. Strange thing is that a person from
>France
>has trouble understanding the french and any 'anglophone' would not recognize
>the Quebecois english.
I met some men from Quebec when I was living in France, and I can attest that
there were times when my host family was more confused than the Americans.
Some of their "French" is more similar to British Franglais (for example,
deplugger for "unplug"). And their accent in English was quite different from
the accent a French person has when speaking English - I think it's actually a
difference of British vs Canadian pronunciation of English.
invisible girl
>Well the Sims items were meant as a free download. But now that I think
>about
>it I am certain that your right about the "mapped out" part. Heather could
>definitely use the website as her "resume".
Look at it this way - suppose someone loves to make left-handed widgets and
gives the widgets to their friends and family. They enjoy it so much they'd
like to make a living at making widgets, and they have a lot of requests for
widgets, so they know they're good enough to get a job with a widget-maker.
They take pictures of the widgets they make and give away, and put them on a
website. Soon, they have lots of people requesting widgets, and the
widget-making materials are just getting too expensive, so they start charging
for the cost of materials. One day a widget-maker calls and offers them a job.
Do you get mad because you paid for the materials to make the widget you got,
and this also helped the person to get a job?
Let's be realistic here. This is a capitalist economy. No one is going to
step in and pay SimFreaks' bills, regardless of Heather's motivation for
maintaining the site. I've downloaded lots of great stuff from the site, and
if Heather can turn this into a job as a webmaster for a commercial site or a
job at Maxis or another gaming company, good for her. She's put a lot of work
and money into her site, and IMO, she's earned any opportunities that come her
way.
Kalheka
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invisible girl
>My point remains:
>Unless you're worried about losing something, why is there so much concern
>over object ownership? If you want to give, give! If you want to sell,
>then sell!
It's more than just money that is in question. There are other reasons an
object maker might want to exercise close control over his or her creations.
For one thing, the really big sites like SimFreaks still wouldn't solve their
bandwidth problems even if they allowed everyone and anyone to upload their
stuff (and, incidently, they've been very generous about allowing people to
clone their work, as long as you ask first). Since they would still have huge
bills, they now *have* to control distribution of their items, or people would
just go elsewhere and download it for free, rather than signing up. Bluegenie2
doesn't have as many visitors as SimFreaks, and she does allow people to use
her objects, but she still had to move her site to a server for which she pays.
Having some of her stuff on other people's sites didn't keep her from
overruning the bandwidth limit at her old site.
The other issue is one of reputation and creative control - if people have your
stuff all over the web and you discover a bug, you can only fix the one on your
site. I know of an instance in the Creatures community in which a beta-test
version of a cob was uploaded to another site and not identified as such.
Someone posted a loud complaint to agc about the cobbler. The bug had already
been fixed, and the cob available at the cobbler's site was fine. Obviously,
this kind of problem can damage your reputation.
And some people just want to present their work in the context of their whole
site. To them, the whole of their work is a personal expression. Some site
owners put a lot of work into building a particular theme and feel for the
site, and the objects and site design compliment one another.
Chazz
> they say ebonics is a seperate language...
> and in dixie "gyon-ge'ou'here" is actually a word...
"They" also say that a guy with an M-16 and sandbags instead of a picket
fence can declare his property a free-standing sovereign nation, and that
one sub-species of Homo Sapiens (Caucasian, African, Mongol-Asian or
otherwise) is superior/inferior to the others, and that the way to fix
oppression is to give everyone a free ride so that when the pendulum swings
back the other way they'll be even WORSE off, and....
Ebonics is no more a seperate language than Mexican is a seperate language
from Spanish. A different DIALECT? Sure. But not a new language.
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Chazz
> 26.ebonics [old ebonics is also called jive]
Funny.... I thought "Ebonics" was just another term for "speech cause by
poor education," as I've heard quite a few HIGHLY racist (read: ignorant)
folks talk that sound just like ebonics, only with a few different terms....
Oh, wait, that's right, militant separtists wanted an official language for
"their people" because they're intolerant asses that can't just let things
go and let humanity settle, that's right. Forget I said anything.
Chazz
Well, if we're doing sub-groups:
> > 4.us-new england
4.1 New York
4.1.1 NYC
4.1.2 Long Island
4.1.3 Northern
4.1.4 NY Jewish (Trust me, if you've ever seen the Nanny or talked with
'em that's not racist, it IS a different dialect)
4.2 New Jersey
4.2.1 Native
4.2.2 NY-immigrant (Subtle difference: these are the people that
pronounce it "Joisey")
4.3 Bostonian
4.4 Maine
4.5 General (Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire)
Chazz
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:38:26 GMT, "Chazz" <chazb...@moc.loa> wrote:
>
> >"Stanley Rexwinkle" <hahn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >> 26.ebonics [old ebonics is also called jive]
> >
> >Funny.... I thought "Ebonics" was just another term for "speech cause by
> >poor education," as I've heard quite a few HIGHLY racist (read: ignorant)
> >folks talk that sound just like ebonics, only with a few different
terms....
>
> subject to find out what Ebonics is, according to those who say it is
> a separate dialect. Not that I blame you for not taking the time;
> there's only so much time in a day and so many things to spend it on.
> If you're not interested in a topic, of course you won't want to learn
> about it.
Ebonics is NOT a seperate language, no more than "American" is or "Mexican"
is. It is a dialect of EN-GLISH. It is a dialect of English that was brought
about LARGELY by very poor educational systems in the inner city, leading to
poorly speaking children. Over several generations, it condensed into a
more-or-less uniform manner of speech and unique phrases, but no more than
any other dialect (Southern, Texan, New Yoiker, Californian Surfer, or
anything like that,) but that doesn't make it its own language. It's not a
matter of "intentional ignorance" or racism or anything like that, it's just
a fact.
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