Terran-Zerg-Xel'Naga.
Richard
Ok, I just wanna write down what came to my mind concerning Terran, Zerg,
Xel'Naga.
In the story in Starcraft we all know that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg and
the Protoss.
My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*, they
are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
that we have this elementary resemblance?
* to prove that Zerg are made of cells check the name of their upgrades:
adrenaline glands, gamete meiosis etc etc... this means that they are made
of cells.
Richard.
Eric Stevenson
: My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
: living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*, they
: are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
: Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
: that we have this elementary resemblance?
To get the "true" explanation, you'd have to consult the designers.
Probably, they never bothered to think about it, they just made the Zerg
work according to biological rules they'd heard of, rather than trying to
make up something new.
Here's my explanation. It is not just a coincidence, it is inevitable.
The Zerg home planet and Earth have a similar chemical makeup (oxygen,
water, etc). Thus, the conditions under which life formed were similar,
leading to biologically similar organisms. The non-living chemicals
developed according to the laws of physics, eventually reaching a
configuration that could form into small cells. Cells must be small
because they function more effectively than large ones (they can feed and
regulate themselves more easily). Eventually, some of these small cells
joined together to form a primitive organism. This organism eventually
developed into the Zerg.
I wouldn't lay any money down on the idea that aliens are going to be
anything like us, but I wouldn't bet against it, either.
Huy Hoang
Richard heeft geschreven in bericht
<93013878...@opti.cyberia.net.lb>...
>Hello boys and girls....
>
>
>Ok, I just wanna write down what came to my mind concerning Terran, Zerg,
>Xel'Naga.
>
>In the story in Starcraft we all know that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg
and
>the Protoss.
>My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
>living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*, they
>are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
>Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
>that we have this elementary resemblance?
>
>
Clint Knapp
cells. Without cells, true life is impossible.
Richard <JOE...@cyberia.net.lb> wrote in message
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Canadian Moose!
Huy Hoang wrote:
>
> Come on.... it's JUST A GAME!!!!
>
> Richard heeft geschreven in bericht
> <93013878...@opti.cyberia.net.lb>...
> >Hello boys and girls....
> >
> >
> >Ok, I just wanna write down what came to my mind concerning Terran, Zerg,
> >Xel'Naga.
> >
> >In the story in Starcraft we all know that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg
> and
> >the Protoss.
> >My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
> >living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*, they
> >are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
> >Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
> >that we have this elementary resemblance?
> >
> >
> >* to prove that Zerg are made of cells check the name of their upgrades:
> >adrenaline glands, gamete meiosis etc etc... this means that they are made
> >of cells.
> >
> >Richard.
> >
> >
didn't it say the zerg were little wormy parasitres before xel' naga got
to them? so they would just be highly evolved versions of the worms.
which means cells too.
do you think protoss are made of cells? how do you think they breathe?
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Huy Hoang wrote in message <7kra0s$ams$1...@news.worldonline.nl>...
>Come on.... it's JUST A GAME!!!!
>
>Richard heeft geschreven in bericht
><93013878...@opti.cyberia.net.lb>...
>>Hello boys and girls....
>>
>>
>>Ok, I just wanna write down what came to my mind concerning Terran, Zerg,
>>Xel'Naga.
>>
>>In the story in Starcraft we all know that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg
>and
>>the Protoss.
>>My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
>>living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*,
they
>>are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
>>Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
>>that we have this elementary resemblance?
To answer the original question:
In one word - convenience.
Beacause the creators of this game are human and know no other way of
describing life-forms in a way that the mass media market will understand
and asscociate with.
With respect.
DJ-Fu
www.djfu.iinet.net.au
<Remove the problem to return the compliment>
Tyzaaliz
Tyzaaliz
"Håvard K. Moen" wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:51:50 +0200, "Huy Hoang"
> <huyh...@softhome.net> wrote:
>
> > Come on.... it's JUST A GAME!!!!
>
> So we shouldn't discuss it at all? Let's just shut down this group,
> then.
>
> <deep, loud voice>
> Come on, people, I want the area cleared within the next few days. Mr.
> Hoang has decided that since it's "just a game", we shouldn't discuss
> different aspects of it. Obey, or face the consequences!
Tyzaaliz
Trek - TNG there was a part, where they discuss about life and, if DATA is alive
or something. There were 3 criterias to be fulfilled. But don“t know, which
these 3 where. The criteria of having cells was not it it, I think.
But I agree with you, that life will always have cells. Life we know about.
Tyzaaliz
Clint Knapp wrote:
> I think it's basically a universal law that to live, things have to made of
> cells. Without cells, true life is impossible.
> Richard <JOE...@cyberia.net.lb> wrote in message
> news:93013878...@opti.cyberia.net.lb...
> > Hello boys and girls....
> >
> >
> > Ok, I just wanna write down what came to my mind concerning Terran, Zerg,
> > Xel'Naga.
> >
> > In the story in Starcraft we all know that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg
> and
> > the Protoss.
> > My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
> > living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*,
> they
> > are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
> > Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
> > that we have this elementary resemblance?
> >
> >
Duriel
Zerg metabolism isn't similar to terran...
They use vespene gas and minerals in they'r bodys, not vehicles or
something, in their bodys...
The Xel'Naga dind't create the zerg, they just favored their development...
The Zerg ALready existed before the Xel'Naga knew about them...
Did you read the manual or something?
Thought not...
Eric Stevenson <es...@umr.edu> wrote in message
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> Richard <JOE...@cyberia.net.lb> wrote:
> : My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
> : living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*,
they
> : are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their
cells.
> : Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
> : that we have this elementary resemblance?
>
MuuMiMan
, "Duriel" <as...@esoterica.pt> opend his mouth and said:
>There are a couple of things you said that aren't correct...
>
>Zerg metabolism isn't similar to terran...
>They use vespene gas and minerals in they'r bodys, not vehicles or
>something, in their bodys...
>
>The Xel'Naga dind't create the zerg, they just favored their development...
>The Zerg ALready existed before the Xel'Naga knew about them...
>
Yes, but what were they before the Xel'Naga came? Small Worm-like
creatures. Remember, of all the Zerg units, the Larva is the one
which is closest to their original form.
>Did you read the manual or something?
>Thought not...
>
[SNIP]
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Nikolai Kingsley
>My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept as
>living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*, they
>are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their cells.
>Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a coincidence
>that we have this elementary resemblance?
>
>
>adrenaline glands, gamete meiosis etc etc... this means that they are made
>of cells.
Cells must be made of DNA? glands must be made of cells? i don't think so.
you could conceivably describe a 3D video card as a 'gland'.
the answer is that the same Ancient Astronauts that built the pyramids,
stonehenge, etc created the Zerg. Yes, the Giant Stone Heads of Easter
Island were built by the Xel'Naga.
nikolai
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Nikolai Kingsley
>I think it's basically a universal law that to live, things have to made of
>cells. Without cells, true life is impossible.
cells are a handy way of organising things, it's true. but not the only way.
nikolai
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elementary, though higher than most people you'll ever meet. Problem is
this: evolution, the random adaption of a species (could be more tecnical,
and more precise, but Im lazy and tired). UNLESS we meet a species that just
so happened had a climatical and geographical conditions EXACTLY like ours
EXACTLY at the same time ours occured, PLUS had the conditions that made
nearly every other organism EXACTLY the same to accompany us, because they
may, or may not granted, but may have been a cause in our evolutional
progress. The chances of meeting a species not of the world having more than
a FEW similarities are quite slim, NOT impossible granted, but much more
HIGHLY unlikely than meeting a species without much in common. Moron.
>Eric Stevenson <es...@umr.edu> wrote in message
>news:3771...@news.cc.umr.edu...
>> Richard <JOE...@cyberia.net.lb> wrote:
>> : My question is here: why were the Zerg created using the same concept
as
>> : living things in Earth? Let me explain: The Zerg are formed of cells*,
>they
>> : are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their
>cells.
>> : Did the Xel'Naga know about humans? Or Dinosaurs? Or is it a
coincidence
>> : that we have this elementary resemblance?
>>
Cronowarp
name is has sulferic gasses, lava, magma, reletivly no plant life, and a
select few species living on the planet, and if you follow the story line,
the zerg arent biological ravenouse creature, such as hydras, but small
small worm like creature, the merge with a host creature, and take over its
mind, thats a zerg, while the DNA is the same, concidering all thihngs int
he universe are made up of DNA, so are the zerg, but because of that there
not the same as humans
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>I applaud your begining of Biology I. Your knowledge of cells are
>
JerichoNet
originall found them.
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created the overmind, and they are what you see today.
Devon Erik Oslund
>Problem is
>this: evolution, the random adaption of a species (could be more tecnical,
>and more precise, but Im lazy and tired). UNLESS we meet a species that just
>so happened had a climatical and geographical conditions EXACTLY like ours
>EXACTLY at the same time ours occured, PLUS had the conditions that made
>nearly every other organism EXACTLY the same to accompany us, because they
>may, or may not granted, but may have been a cause in our evolutional
>progress. The chances of meeting a species not of the world having more than
>a FEW similarities are quite slim, NOT impossible granted, but much more
>HIGHLY unlikely than meeting a species without much in common.
Wrong.
You forget that examples of convergent evolution have occured in far too many
instances to mention. Some resemblances are so close as to have fooled
biologists for decades, before gene mapping techniques finally became available
to set the record straight.
Now, similar evironmental stimuli are presumably necessary, but who can say
that these are not present in other star systems?
We have not verifiably found any planets outside our star system yet.
Consequently, we do not know how rare (or common) earth-like worlds will be
among such planets when we *do* find them. (Presumably they exist.) I suspect,
as you seem to, that they will be rare. But neither of us has any evidence of
this, and a mere hunch is not enough evidence to call someone a
>Moron.
However,
>The Zerg are formed of cells*,
>>they
>>> : are like living things on Earth so they must have also DNA in their
>>cells.
is leaping to conclusions.
A living thing would need something that approximated the function of DNA. But
many other types of structures do, or could, exist which would serve the same
purpose.
The zerg *must*, however, have some level of biocompatability with a great
number of species. Remember that most zerg units (zerglings, etc.) were
originally species in their own right when the zerg metaorganism co-opted them
into its own metagenetic structure.
The zerg metaorganism has recently displayed the ability to do the same with
DNA-based terrans.
This is strong, abeit not conclusive, evidence that the zerg themselves are DNA
-based.
Devon Erik Oslund
Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
MuuMiMan
hkm...@bigfoot.com (Håvard K. Moen) opend his mouth and said:
>On 01 Jul 1999 19:38:11 GMT, jeric...@aol.computerguy (JerichoNet)
>wrote:
>
>> actually the true home planet of the zerg is zerus, where the Xel'Naga
>> originall found them.
>
>Didn't the Xel'Naga _create_ the Zerg?
Well... sort of. They took some yucky-crappy lifeform and helped it in
it's evolution.... Same thing with toss... So actually they diden't
create them. And Zerus is not the zerg homeworld, the Zerg homeworld
is unknown, AFAIK...
--
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JerichoNet
I quote the manual in this
""They labored to advance the evolution of the most insignificant life form on
zerus, a race of miniature insectoids known as the Zerg."
Demaree
knowledge of each other and anything, even begin to evolve like each
other? Our way of living is by no means the only or the best. Your
convergent evolution creatures are only seperated by (at most) the
earth, as being on seperate sides, and birds constantly move all over
the earth. Plus, we all did evolve on the same planet, on pangea(sp?),
where every animal could basically fuck every other animal, so
cross-breeding and adaptation wasnt that far fetched. So who are we to
say that a planet not like ours, by a star not like ours, in gravity,
atmosphere, and ground not like ours, would have to have 'humanoid' life
like ours? "Ignoramus arrogaus" is who we'd be.
Oh yes, and just because the zerg could adapt to use our bodies against
us, doesnt mean they could use/control/change our DNA. It looks to me
like the infested terrans are just externally controlled and/or
influenced by those wierd outfits they have, making them loyal to the
zerg....sounds kinda like a zerg version of mind control, but without
the magic.
Demaree
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pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely WILL NOT stop. EVER! Until
you are dead!" -Kyle Reese
Devon Erik Oslund
>Why would life forms on worlds light-years apart, with no contact,
>knowledge of each other and anything, even begin to evolve like each
>other?
Because similar problems lead to similar solutions.
>Our way of living is by no means the only or the best.
Probably not. But since we have only had a chance of observing one (1)
life-bearing planet, we have no way of knowing whether other systems will
resemble ours to a great degree, to a lesser degree, or to no degree at all.
>Your
>convergent evolution creatures are only seperated by (at most) the
>earth,
So what? Whether separated by a single river, or a billion lightyears, if
organisms cannot interact, they cannot influence each others' evolution.
>and birds constantly move all over
>the earth.
Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>Plus, we all did evolve on the same planet, on pangea(sp?),
>where every animal could basically fuck every other animal, so
>cross-breeding and adaptation wasnt that far fetched.
Irrelevent. Convergent evolution is a proven fact. The ancient pygmy horses
found in Argentina, for example, are *not* related to modern horses any more
closely than they are to, say, pigs. This has been proven and is not subject to
dispute. Therefore, two species with similar basic structure (four legs, etc)
will evolve similar adaptions to similar evironments.
>So who are we to
>say that a planet not like ours,
Who are we to say that any given planet might not be like ours?
>by a star not like ours,
Ditto.
>in gravity,
>atmosphere, and ground not like ours,
Ditto.
>would have to have 'humanoid' life
>like ours?
How much like ours? How different? What evironments? Define "humanoid".
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I recommend some remedial reading in
biology. You may wish to start with Richard Dawkins' "The Blind Watchmaker".
>Oh yes, and just because the zerg could adapt to use our bodies against
>us, doesnt mean they could use/control/change our DNA. It looks to me
>like the infested terrans are just externally controlled and/or
>influenced by those wierd outfits they have, making them loyal to the
>zerg....sounds kinda like a zerg version of mind control, but without
>the magic.
Without biocompatability? Influenced how, then?
A K
May God (if he exists) have mercy on my soul for posting to an OT
thread...
> Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Why would life forms on worlds light-years apart, with no contact,
> >knowledge of each other and anything, even begin to evolve like each
> >other?
>
> Because similar problems lead to similar solutions.
>
> >Our way of living is by no means the only or the best.
>
> Probably not. But since we have only had a chance of observing one (1)
> life-bearing planet, we have no way of knowing whether other systems will
> resemble ours to a great degree, to a lesser degree, or to no degree at all.
>
Which means that the ONLY valid point you can make is "Maybe." You can't
cite odds. You can't say "Yes, this will happen." or "No, this won't
happen." With a data set of one, you cannot draw any valid conclusions.
> >Your
> >convergent evolution creatures are only seperated by (at most) the
> >earth,
>
> So what? Whether separated by a single river, or a billion lightyears, if
> organisms cannot interact, they cannot influence each others' evolution.
>
> >and birds constantly move all over
> >the earth.
>
> Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>
On sea currents, yes. Plant migration through bird excretions is seen in
quite a few areas. Those volcanic islands that rise and are washed away
periodically in the ocean, for example. Ocean tides work too.
> >Plus, we all did evolve on the same planet, on pangea(sp?),
> >where every animal could basically fuck every other animal, so
> >cross-breeding and adaptation wasnt that far fetched.
>
> Irrelevent. Convergent evolution is a proven fact. The ancient pygmy horses
> found in Argentina, for example, are *not* related to modern horses any more
> closely than they are to, say, pigs. This has been proven and is not subject to
> dispute. Therefore, two species with similar basic structure (four legs, etc)
> will evolve similar adaptions to similar evironments.
>
For one thing, those "pygmy horses" (Eohippus, I assume) ARE the direct
ancestors of horses. And for another thing, they didn't look a bit like
modern horses. Not much like pigs, either. A better example of convergent
evolution would be in beak shape of birds, of which there is modern
proof. (In the bird species of Hawaii)
Also, the four-limbed anatomical model goes way back to amphibians, and is
a basic part of our genetic structure. Convergent evolution has nothing to
do with it, at least as far as we can tell from fossil records.
However, crossbreeding between entirely different species doesn't quite
work. The entire definition of species is a set of animals that can
interbreed. If they can interbreed, then they're different subspecies or
races (like blacks, asians, caucasians, or great danes and labrador
retrievers). If they can't interbreed, they're separate species. (Like
humans and gorillas, though I don't want to think about the collection of
experimental data in that case...)
> >So who are we to
> >say that a planet not like ours,
>
> Who are we to say that any given planet might not be like ours?
>
He's referring to the zerg homeworld, which as far as I can remember from
what I've read, ISN'T like ours...
> >by a star not like ours,
>
> Ditto.
>
Ditto.
> >in gravity,
> >atmosphere, and ground not like ours,
>
> Ditto.
>
Ditto.
> >would have to have 'humanoid' life
> >like ours?
>
> How much like ours? How different? What evironments? Define "humanoid".
>
> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I recommend some remedial reading in
> biology. You may wish to start with Richard Dawkins' "The Blind Watchmaker".
>
Similarly, please do some remedial reading in paleontology. It may just be
a case of using bad examples, but your point comes across rather poorly...
And keep in mind, the interference of the Xel'naga threw any evolutionary
arguments right out the window anyway...
> >Oh yes, and just because the zerg could adapt to use our bodies against
> >us, doesnt mean they could use/control/change our DNA. It looks to me
> >like the infested terrans are just externally controlled and/or
> >influenced by those wierd outfits they have, making them loyal to the
> >zerg....sounds kinda like a zerg version of mind control, but without
> >the magic.
>
> Without biocompatability? Influenced how, then?
>
Without any outside data, I suppose you could use the fact that they CAN
do this as an example of at least some biocompatibility, at least to the
point of using electrical impulses for a nervous system like we do...
>
> Devon Erik Oslund
> Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
>
>
>
The Raven
Demaree
>
> Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Why would life forms on worlds light-years apart, with no contact,
> >knowledge of each other and anything, even begin to evolve like each
> >other?
>
> Because similar problems lead to similar solutions.
Who said the problems where any more similar. A thing wants to live on a
big ball of dirt in the middle of nowhere. Thats about it.
>
> >Our way of living is by no means the only or the best.
>
> Probably not. But since we have only had a chance of observing one (1)
> life-bearing planet, we have no way of knowing whether other systems will
> resemble ours to a great degree, to a lesser degree, or to no degree at all.
So why do you assume it would be?
>
> >Your
> >convergent evolution creatures are only seperated by (at most) the
> >earth,
>
> So what? Whether separated by a single river, or a billion lightyears, if
> organisms cannot interact, they cannot influence each others' evolution.
Obviously you know little about the movement of earth organisms. It is
not a still life painting, stuff moves or is moved, and it interacts. A
river is not much of a barrier.
>
> >and birds constantly move all over
> >the earth.
>
> Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
Yes, seeds go through bird shit.
>
> >Plus, we all did evolve on the same planet, on pangea(sp?),
> >where every animal could basically fuck every other animal, so
> >cross-breeding and adaptation wasnt that far fetched.
>
> Irrelevent. Convergent evolution is a proven fact. The ancient pygmy horses
> found in Argentina, for example, are *not* related to modern horses any more
> closely than they are to, say, pigs. This has been proven and is not subject to
> dispute. Therefore, two species with similar basic structure (four legs, etc)
> will evolve similar adaptions to similar evironments.
Because they are on EARTH, and earth knows nothing BETTER or even
DIFFERENT!
>
> >So who are we to
> >say that a planet not like ours,
>
> Who are we to say that any given planet might not be like ours?
We would be betting on good odds
>
> >by a star not like ours,
>
> Ditto.
>
> >in gravity,
> >atmosphere, and ground not like ours,
>
> Ditto.
>
> >would have to have 'humanoid' life
> >like ours?
>
> How much like ours? How different? What evironments? Define "humanoid".
2 Arms, 2 legs, 1 head, 2 eyes, looks something like what we have.
>
> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I recommend some remedial reading in
> biology. You may wish to start with Richard Dawkins' "The Blind Watchmaker".
I reccomend that you start reading some probability texts, and facts
about the known universe. You have less knowledge than I in this
subject, yet you substitute your 'knowledge' of earth-life as a template
for your argument. Illogical and impossible.
>
> >Oh yes, and just because the zerg could adapt to use our bodies against
> >us, doesnt mean they could use/control/change our DNA. It looks to me
> >like the infested terrans are just externally controlled and/or
> >influenced by those wierd outfits they have, making them loyal to the
> >zerg....sounds kinda like a zerg version of mind control, but without
> >the magic.
>
> Without biocompatability? Influenced how, then?
I did not say without your 'biocompatability', just because something
wouldnt be able to work on the dna level, they could still work
cell-to-cell. Its easy to create gas that causes certain things to
happen, and its easy for the zerg to create new muscle tissure on a
creature. It would not be unlike them to subdue/hypnotize the human with
whatever he has in his mask, then putting the external muscle tissue
'suit' on around him for basic motor controls.
Demaree
>
> Devon Erik Oslund
> Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
>
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>May God
I have no need of that hypothesis.
>(if he exists) have mercy on my soul for posting to an OT
>thread...
Well, you must admit it's more interesting than "PROTOZ RULZ!", or some such.
>Which means that the ONLY valid point you can make is "Maybe."
Which is exactly the point I *am* making.
I am presenting evidence against the statement: "Alien lifeforms will
necessarily be nothing like us."
It's that "necessarily" I object to.
>With a data set of one, you cannot draw any valid conclusions.
Except that life *can* exist, since it has done so. Weak anthropic principle.
>> Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>
>
>On sea currents, yes. Plant migration through bird excretions is seen in
>quite a few areas. Those volcanic islands that rise and are washed away
>periodically in the ocean, for example. Ocean tides work too.
You have missed a (quasi) literary reference here.
All the same, I should like to see the bird that can carry a coconut in its
digestive tract :-)
>> Irrelevent. Convergent evolution is a proven fact. The ancient pygmy horses
>> found in Argentina, for example, are *not* related to modern horses any
>more
>> closely than they are to, say, pigs. This has been proven and is not
>subject to
>> dispute. Therefore, two species with similar basic structure (four legs,
>etc)
>> will evolve similar adaptions to similar evironments.
>>
>
>For one thing, those "pygmy horses" (Eohippus, I assume) ARE the direct
>ancestors of horses.
No, they aren't. I cheated and pulled my example from the Dawkins' "Blind
Watchmaker". Go argue it with him.
>A better example of convergent
>evolution would be in beak shape of birds, of which there is modern
>proof. (In the bird species of Hawaii)
Or two groups of bats developing sonar independently. Or the Australian
marsupial versions of many placental mammal families.
>Also, the four-limbed anatomical model goes way back to amphibians, and is
>a basic part of our genetic structure. Convergent evolution has nothing to
>do with it, at least as far as we can tell from fossil records.
I didn't say it did. Try to read more carefully.
>However, crossbreeding between entirely different species doesn't quite
>work. The entire definition of species is a set of animals that can
>interbreed.
So all this really tells us is that we've invented a word to describe a group
of organisms.
>> >So who are we to
>> >say that a planet not like ours,
>>
>> Who are we to say that any given planet might not be like ours?
>>
>
>He's referring to the zerg homeworld, which as far as I can remember from
>what I've read, ISN'T like ours...
>
Don't remember reading anything either way.
>And keep in mind, the interference of the Xel'naga threw any evolutionary
>arguments right out the window anyway...
>
Would they have changed the system whereby the genetic information was encoded?
That would have been *more* complicated than starting from scratch.
>> Without biocompatability? Influenced how, then?
>>
>
>Without any outside data, I suppose you could use the fact that they CAN
>do this as an example of at least some biocompatibility, at least to the
>point of using electrical impulses for a nervous system like we do...
Just how such a thing could be made to work even if they *were* DNA based,
cellular life forms with sodium-ion electrical nerve impulses is beyond me.
I suppose there is only so much science that can be xenografted post hoc onto a
game.
>Similarly, please do some remedial reading in paleontology. It may just be
>a case of using bad examples, but your point comes across rather poorly...
>
Perhaps you would care to recommend a title or two?
Chaos-san
<19990703065651...@ng-cl1.aol.com>...
>>and birds constantly move all over
>>the earth.
>
>
Not at all! They could be carried.
--
Chaos-san
Leader of the dreaded SCV squad.
"Never argue with a moron, they'll drag you down to their level, and beat
you with experience."
1 Cupie Doll
Devon Erik Oslund
>>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>
>
>Not at all! They could be carried.
Carried by what?
Demaree
But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
coconut and seeds, flys over a river, takes a shit on the other
side.....ta-da. The coconut has moved, and now coconut trees will grow
on that shore.
That, and the lazy tourist who gets amazed by wild coconuts, lugs one
around for a few hours, and dumps it somewhere else.
Demaree
--
"It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel
pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely WILL NOT stop! EVER! Until
Marc Jones
> Coconuts have seeds, do they not? Birds like stuff that surrounds seeds.
> But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
What sort of bird are we talking about here. It would have to be pretty
big. A coconut without the husk is as big as a small jar.
Sulwen
wrote:
>
>Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:378152DB...@home.com...
><snip>
>> >
>> > "Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >Not at all! They could be carried.
>> >
>> > Carried by what?
>> >
>> > Devon Erik Oslund
>> > Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
>Perhaps by a swallow?
>
Would that be an African or a European swallow?
Sorry, couldn't resist any longer!
Sulwen
------
Reality is only for those who lack imagination...
------
Sulwen
>Coconuts have seeds, do they not? Birds like stuff that surrounds seeds.
>But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
>coconut and seeds, flys over a river, takes a shit on the other
>side.....ta-da. The coconut has moved, and now coconut trees will grow
>on that shore.
Okay, ummm... you do realize how big coconuts are, don't you?
Chaos-san
>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:27:16 -0000, "AttilaDeHun" <jcoo...@cqc.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote in message
>>news:378152DB...@home.com...
>><snip>
>>> >
>>> > "Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >Not at all! They could be carried.
>>> >
>>> > Carried by what?
>>> >
>>> > Devon Erik Oslund
>>> > Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
>>Perhaps by a swallow?
>>
>Would that be an African or a European swallow?
>
Oh, yeah, an African swallow, maybe, but not a European swallow
But then of course, African swallows are non-migratory.
Chaos-san
>"Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>>
>>
>>Not at all! They could be carried.
>
>Carried by what?
>
A swallow.
Chaos-san
>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Demaree wrote:
>
>> Coconuts have seeds, do they not? Birds like stuff that surrounds seeds.
>> But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
>
>big. A coconut without the husk is as big as a small jar.
>
Klaas
>
> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:07:42 GMT, Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Coconuts have seeds, do they not? Birds like stuff that surrounds seeds.
> >But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
> >side.....ta-da. The coconut has moved, and now coconut trees will grow
> >on that shore.
>
> Okay, ummm... you do realize how big coconuts are, don't you?
>
> Sulwen
Notice the "eat _part of_ a coconut"...
-Mike
Demaree
THE BIRD DOES NOT EAT THE ENTIRE COCONUT!
The coconut is a multipart organism, peel/shell, milk/other innards,
seeds.
The bird cracks open or pokes into the coconut shell or finds one
already open. The bird eats stuff inside, including some seeds. The bird
then takes a shit at a later date, dumping the seeds.
BUT THE REST OF THE COCONUT STAYS THERE!
Unless its a swallow, then the coconuts gone forever.
Demaree
> ------
> Reality is only for those who lack imagination...
> ------
--
Eric Stevenson
: Ok, I will spell this out one last time
: THE BIRD DOES NOT EAT THE ENTIRE COCONUT!
What kind of bird can open a coconut?
: The coconut is a multipart organism, peel/shell, milk/other innards,
: seeds.
No, it isn't. A coconut does not contain seeds. It is a single seed. This
is typical of nuts in general.
Demaree
So whats all the gunk inside the coconut.
--
Eric Stevenson
It's the food supply for the seed. Same as for the gunk inside a walnut.
Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote:
: So whats all the gunk inside the coconut.
: Eric Stevenson wrote:
: > No, it isn't. A coconut does not contain seeds. It is a single seed. This
StarRaven
and pounded out the following:
>"Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>>
>>
>>Not at all! They could be carried.
>
>Carried by what?
An african swallow perhaps....
StarRaven
Demaree
However, I also learned that the seed is as big as a large mans fist (in
a large coconut)
So.... back to the swallow idea.
Demaree
--
Marc Jones
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Demaree wrote:
> Ok, I found out today that a coconut is NOT a single seed....
>
> However, I also learned that the seed is as big as a large mans fist (in
> a large coconut)
>
> So.... back to the swallow idea.
How about the idea that the coconut falls into the sea and is washed on to
a foreign shore. It is then buried over time and the husk decomposes to
nothing leaving the coconut seed to germinate, and give a new tree.
Or in the case of northern Australia coconuts were planted back in the
1800's for a food source for shipwrecked crews.
Just my 2 cents worth.
marc
Bart Roymans
> Marc Jones wrote in message ...
> >On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Demaree wrote:
> >
> >> Coconuts have seeds, do they not? Birds like stuff that surrounds seeds.
> >> But can not digest the seeds themselves. Thus, a bird eats part of a
> >
> >What sort of bird are we talking about here. It would have to be pretty
> >big. A coconut without the husk is as big as a small jar.
> >
> Maybe 2 swallows, with the coconut tied between them on a bit of creeper.
What do you mean, the european or the african swallow ??? :)
Cheers,
Bart
Bart Roymans
> hkm...@bigfoot.com (Håvard K. Moen) put fingers to keyboard and
> pounded out the following:
>
> >On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:04:32 GMT, dont_wa...@this.address
> >(StarRaven) wrote:
> >
> >> >>Not at all! They could be carried.
> >> >
> >> >Carried by what?
> >>
> >> An african swallow perhaps....
> >
> >Am I missing a joke here, or is all this talk about swallows dead
> >serious? Enlighten me, I feel stupid :-(
>
> Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It's a movie.
And it'll crack you up, if you have a sense of humor... :) Monty
Python ROCKS!!!
Come on !!! stay here and fight like a man... It's only a fleshwound
!!!!
Cheers,
Bart
PS: I want you to cut the largest tree in the forest... WITH A HERRING
!!!
Devon Erik Oslund
>>>>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not at all! They could be carried.
>>
>>Carried by what?
>>
>
>A swallow.
Ridiculous. A swallow can't carry a coconut.
Eric Stevenson
: > No, it isn't. A coconut does not contain seeds. It is a single seed. This
: > is typical of nuts in general.
: Are you sure of this?
Yes. Consult a reference if you like. There's probably something on the
web.
: If so: the question, then, is: Does one need the whole nut to create a
: new tree?
Technically, no. Most of the nut is not needed. The shell is a protective
casing, the liquid is a food supply. The actual embryo is a small part of
the nut, and it is the only thing required for growth. I don't think a
coconut embryo could grow under natural conditions without the rest of
the nut. It would need a very favorable environment.
Demaree
Demaree
--
Vishal Biseswar
How about alt.coconuts.float.in.water.
Regards
Vishal
AttilaDeHun wrote:
> Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:378152DB...@home.com...
> <snip>
> > >
> > > "Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Not at all! They could be carried.
> > >
> > > Carried by what?
> > >
> > > Devon Erik Oslund
> > > Expand your horizons: http://www.amaks.com
> Perhaps by a swallow?
Cronowarp
--
-Janus-
"A great man is not made up of the things
he sais or does; but the things he beleives in"
Devon Erik Oslund wrote in message
<19990708070137...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
>"Chaos-san" <tets...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>>Are you saying that coconuts migrate?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not at all! They could be carried.
>>>
>>>Carried by what?
>>>
>>
>>A swallow.
>
>Ridiculous. A swallow can't carry a coconut.
>
>
>
John Doe
Uh-oh, another religious thread will be started now...
Cronowarp wrote in message <7mbh7q$56k$1...@server.cntfl.com>...
Joshua The Worst Kramer
> Are christian coconuts better than jewish coconuts?
FUCK YOU, ANTISEMITE.
--
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I will add new sig quotes when you say stupid things.
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Demaree
Demaree
--
Demaree
Besides, I did not state that any coconut of any religious persuasion is
better than another.
Demaree
Joshua The Worst Kramer wrote:
>
> In article <3789562D...@home.com>, Demaree <dem...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Are christian coconuts better than jewish coconuts?
>
> FUCK YOU, ANTISEMITE.
>
> --
> He's back. Joshua "The Worst" Kramer, KotAGoR.
> No longer posting Overly-restrictive .edu domains.
> I will add new sig quotes when you say stupid things.
>
> Being a self admitted moron, I know a moronic post when I see one.
> -Manny sees the light in
> <7lmt2q$ro$1...@news.orbitworld.net>
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>Come on !!! stay here and fight like a man... It's only a fleshwound
>!!!!
Come back here and face what's coming to you, I'll bite your legs off!
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