#game-jam-2024-01-26

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Channel: #game-jam
Date: 2024-01-26
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-22 19:25
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 09:19:59.852000
Sorry to get philosophical, but that was the point of Net Yaroze, it was designed for a small game experience, and not to compete with the pro kit
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this philosophy makes me wish i was there, im certain it would have been a good time to be a developer
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-22 19:26
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 09:54:19.094000
I could have fleshed out Yamico 1 & 2 and put them up on steam and switch or N64 or GBA or 3DO or Nuon etc etc
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hey man why not!!!!! you got no reason!!! lets go!! do it!!!
and if you need help porting i have worked with switch before (im currently working on a game called: the bunny graveyard for switch, and it already released on pc, granted its using game maker because the main developer doesnt know much about programming and im a contractor that was added a year after development started)
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-22 19:26
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1892420/TheBunnyGraveyard/
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-22 19:28
the net yaroze 3d game im working on is going to also be ported to other platforms because its the most abicious solo game i have build and i want it on other platforms (i have decided that it will still contain the net yaroze logo in the game start up) (platforms: psp/psvita/gamecube/dreamcast and possibly ps2)
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:04
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aionmagan#0
2024-01-22 19:25:09.179000
this philosophy makes me wish i was there, im certain it would have been a good time to be a developer
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It was a different time back then and expectations were very high (3D was hot, 2D was not ) and it sounds strange, but TMK, Sony didnt provide much guidance or advice to the noobs apart from tech tuts etc, so it became about who can program the best and not many people knew what to do with the Net Yaroze
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:15
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aionmagan#0
2024-01-22 19:26:25.585000
hey man why not!!!!! you got no reason!!! lets go!! do it!!!
and if you need help porting i have worked with switch before (im currently working on a game called: the bunny graveyard for switch, and it already released on pc, granted its using game maker because the main developer doesnt know much about programming and im a contractor that was added a year after development started)
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one day.... nice game and great artist! Being a contract is cool, but I would suggest, in the long run, finding your own artist to go halves in everything. (I would look for someone that does everything except the technical stuff - ie all art assets and text stuff)
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:19
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aionmagan#0
2024-01-22 19:28:46.081000
the net yaroze 3d game im working on is going to also be ported to other platforms because its the most abicious solo game i have build and i want it on other platforms (i have decided that it will still contain the net yaroze logo in the game start up) (platforms: psp/psvita/gamecube/dreamcast and possibly ps2)
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wow! I only put Net Yaroze when I use it, but if I use another framework (32blit or horde3d or my own), I would use that instead.
Thats cool, that you would put the NY logo on all the versions.... interesting. I dont know if thats a good thing for your game or bad like seeing the Unity3D logo I think has a negative connotation (shovelware).
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:24
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 09:03:48.724000
its not a problem, its a limitation, one that as Net Yaroze developers we agreed too...
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well... limitation in Spanish is a sort of a problem
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:25
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 09:08:23.709000
is it a net yaroze game reading non boot disc data of a CDR?
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we had a lot of games using CD rom to load assets.... but it was basically the MIDI bank, the rest of assets Sony were... useless
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:25
and our problem was that copy protection system did not let us use a CD-R... otherwise... and remember there were people creating loading systems through serial
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:25
haha
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:27
but I am working on keeping all in memory, just that using CD load function that I created makes my life easier as I dont have to keep track of memory addresses if I change any asset
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:27
but my plan is creating the auto file once my game goes gold.... or I run out of time
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:42
yes a lot of people expected a pro kit from Sony for a few hundred dollars And they were going to make a AAA all by themselves too.
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:43
haha
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:43
well, it was a compiler with a small library
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:43
good enough for home entertainment
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:44
And theres a point where trying to be too clever with Net Yaroze, to circumvent the limitations (not problems) becomes self defeating, not Net Yaroze IMO anyway
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:45
And I used the file loading serial stuff, and I regret it, it was overkill and pointless, now I have to try and remove all that stuff :/
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:47
well, we have to keep it 100% NY initial experience: load from auto file, CD ROM access only for assets from original CD
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:47
which was what we were able to do
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:49
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 21:45:42.047000
And I used the file loading serial stuff, and I regret it, it was overkill and pointless, now I have to try and remove all that stuff :/
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serial comms is what it is...
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:53
IIRC Code Warrior had that feature, loading files over the serial... amazing! Im guessing thats from the pro dev version that they left it in.
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:55
No idea!
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:55
Hahaha
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:55
maybe as a selling feature
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:56
I am doing it using my SIOCONS in a way that I put what I want to load form the game, send it to SIOCONS and exit to boot screen, then it sends data to console and run game again
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 21:57
so its like having several auto files built into your game
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:59
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molit#0
2024-01-22 21:56:38.759000
I am doing it using my SIOCONS in a way that I put what I want to load form the game, send it to SIOCONS and exit to boot screen, then it sends data to console and run game again
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If you want to write about it in detail, create a word file and Ill publish it on the netyaroze.com site
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 21:59
its up to you
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:00
or start a github
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:00
yeah, I have to cleanup code a bit and share it on github
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:00
remember I asked you for permission to use netyaroze.com domain for package names as I wrote it in Java
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:01
lol yeah
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:01
I need 25h days at least for a while
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:02
you are working on two games? is that right?
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:03
I stoped one until I finished game jams one
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:04
I plan to reuse it on the 1st one though so its part of it in some form
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:04
very cool
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:04
but it is not working on 2 games, it is dealing with job, family, other hobbies...
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:04
not enough
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:06
oh okay, I understand, cool
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:06
is your big game coming out in 2024?
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:07
I dont think so
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:07
wow
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:07
I was mainly working on architecture things for the engine... and with the game jam I have rewritten a lot of stuff
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:08
so when I go back to it, Ill have to refactor it
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:13
Cool
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-22 22:13
work more work
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@molit#0 - 2024-01-22 22:15
Yep, thats the conclusion
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-23 01:45
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 21:19:46.983000
wow! I only put Net Yaroze when I use it, but if I use another framework (32blit or horde3d or my own), I would use that instead.
Thats cool, that you would put the NY logo on all the versions.... interesting. I dont know if thats a good thing for your game or bad like seeing the Unity3D logo I think has a negative connotation (shovelware).
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but msy game is a shovelware tho XD jajaja, and i want to keep the Net Yaroze because of the respect that i have gain for it

but im only going to do it with net yaroze games i consider to port over to PC not other consoles, which this one is definitely going to be ported to PC, i even had a few people play it and they liked the 5 test levels
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-23 01:46
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 21:04:08.133000
It was a different time back then and expectations were very high (3D was hot, 2D was not ) and it sounds strange, but TMK, Sony didnt provide much guidance or advice to the noobs apart from tech tuts etc, so it became about who can program the best and not many people knew what to do with the Net Yaroze
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that sounds like fun!!!! i would have been hyped to try and figure things out myself to try an beat the competition on games
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-23 01:47
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mike.garcia#0
2024-01-22 21:04:08.133000
It was a different time back then and expectations were very high (3D was hot, 2D was not ) and it sounds strange, but TMK, Sony didnt provide much guidance or advice to the noobs apart from tech tuts etc, so it became about who can program the best and not many people knew what to do with the Net Yaroze
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i still dont know that TMK stands for
THE MORTAL KOMBAT!??
TORITO MUST KNOW!!??
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-23 04:56
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aionmagan#0
2024-01-23 01:47:54.686000
i still dont know that TMK stands for
THE MORTAL KOMBAT!??
TORITO MUST KNOW!!??
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To My Knowledge
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-23 05:02
and IIRC If I Remember Correctly
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-23 05:02
and IMO In My Opinion
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-23 05:02
there the ones I use most often
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-23 05:14
XD jajaja i knew the other too but this is the first time i have ever seen TMK
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-26 01:32
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@aionmagan#0 - 2024-01-26 01:32
this is a small update
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@mike.garcia#0 - 2024-01-26 01:33
looks cool
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