ALEX VALLE RULES OVER B3!!!
Milo D. Cooper
APB wrote:
>
> Our Southern Hills Golfland Champ. took the grand prize and beating
> over 70 challengers from different parts of the city, states, and maybe
> Canada. For those of you who doubted Southern California players know
> now who's better. Alex mopped up the competition with an arsenal of
> custom combo's and smart play that even a master turtler couldn't
> handle. Goes to prove that Southern Hills Golfland has the best player
> in California and possibly beyond!
I'd just like to congratulate Mr. Valle on his big victory. I
didn't attend B3 -- looks like I'll have to go to the next L.A. tourney
and check out his Ken. Who took the places below second? Did Sunny-
vale finally learn some humility?
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/|_____Milo D. Cooper_____|\
\| mdco...@ix.netcom.com |/
APB
MC Shonuff
The top four spots were:
1.Alex Valle
2.John Choi
3.Jason Nelson
4.Jeff Schaeffer
Alex beat John in a tight 3-2 set in the winner's bracket. After losing
the first match, Alex switched from Ken to Ryu, while John played
exclusively as Ken. In the finals Alex went up 2-1, one round up, but
then John rallied back to win 3-2. In the final Alex caught fire and went
up 2-0, but John battled back to even it at 2-2. So we're down to the
final game and who does Alex pick? Sagat!! John wins the first round and
Alex takes the second. In the third round John has about a third of his
health left while Alex is down to a sliver. Aex trips him then lands a
crossup combo and then John either rolls or sticks out a limb and gets
nailed by a 7-hit fierce uppercut for the win.
Although Alex did win I don't think you can say that LA dominated. I
think the results were about even in the final sixteen and final eight and
Sunnyvale did take 2 and 3. However, John and Alex were clearly better
than the rest of the field. Their matches are easily the best played,
most intense matches I've seen on Alpha. Another good match was Martin
Vega (Rolento) vs. Jason Nelson (Charlie). If you get a chance definitely
try to get your hands on a tape of the finals. By the way does anybody
know how to get a copy of the B3 matches? (Tom?)
Mike Kutas
Hokuto4
Most definitely! I believe that the matches were really close! So I
wouldnt say anyone truly dominated the matches. Both LA and Sunnyvale
players were REALLY good! As you can see, the top four were two LA and
two Sunnyvale. I think that makes 2 and 2. I think Golfland was really
cool to allow the tourney to go on short notice.
But in the end, I think it all came out for the best cuz nickel city
doesnt have AC or good machines anyway!
I think maybe we should just say that hey, damn good players out there!
Moby
Milo D. Cooper (mdco...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I'd just like to congratulate Mr. Valle on his big victory. I
: didn't attend B3 -- looks like I'll have to go to the next L.A. tourney
: and check out his Ken. Who took the places below second? Did Sunny-
: vale finally learn some humility?
Yeah, can somebody please post a tournament report? Like the
MoaTs? The little tidbits that APB mentioned aren't enough, obviously...
after the tourney, rest, recover, then post!!! And preferably, with some
objectivity. :)
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MC Shonuff (mcsh...@aol.com) wrote:
: The top four spots were:
: 1.Alex Valle
: 2.John Choi
: 3.Jason Nelson
: 4.Jeff Schaeffer
Wow, that's pretty amazing. Thanks for the report, Mike! How did
the boys from Vancouver do? I can't believe they didn't even place... :(
Congrats to Alex Valle, definitely... sounds like he was the "Best of
Show". What with the hype & exposure, and the attendance from all over
(including Canada), this definitely has to be probably the biggest SF
Tournament in memory.
So is the tape of B3 going to be publicly distributed? I REALLY
hope so, I really want to see this thing! Tom Cannon, if you're going to
be selling these things (hopefully at cost), let us know!
Thomas Calvin Cannon
In article <4suki2$k...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
So why does LA always have to trash talk?
If you were actually at B3, you would know that this is complete BS.
Both Southern Hills Golfland and Sunnyvale Golfland have excellent
players, and from the results, it looks like they match up pretty
evenly top to bottom.
Alex remains the undefeated chamption, and deservedly so, but LA
did not dominate the tournament.
---
Tom Cannon
ink...@leland.stanford.edu
J Chensor
In article <4t0ggb$o...@elaine40.Stanford.EDU>, ink...@leland.Stanford.EDU
(Thomas Calvin Cannon) wrote:
The truth of the matter is this: John Choi and Alex Valle are
COMPLETELY even. There was NO dominance between the two. I saw the
matches and I can DEFINTIELY say that it is VERY debatable which of the
two is better. It's terrible to even give the impression that Alex
slaughtered the competition. No, John Choi gave him the fight of his life
and Alex gave John the fight of John's life as well. Everyone there
agreed that after watching ALL of those fights (Alex one the first set,
3-2, John won the second set 3-2, and Alex won the last set 3-2... 15
COMPLETE matches) that we have NEVER seen better Street Fighter in our
ENTIRE lives. Even all the experts there felt completely worthless and
inadequate after watching the John vs. Alex fights. Take this advice NOW,
people... whatever it takes, get a copy of this tournament on tape... the
John vs. Alex fights are amazing.
But I would like to conclude that NO ONE dominated the B3. Northern
California, Southern California, and Vancouver... and even KUWAIT... they
all had TERRIFIC representation and the gathering, IMO, was a COMPLETE
success. I'll never forget it, it was terrific. Let's try and do it
again someday? :-)
And Tom... HOW CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS TOUNREY?!?! I want it
NOW!!!!! :-)
--
- J.C.
"What's the sense in arguing when you're all alone?"
- TMBG
_____________________________________________________________________
James Chen AKA "James Chensor"
jche...@ucla.edu
_____________________________________________________________________
jus...@pe-nelson.com
> But I would like to conclude that NO ONE dominated the B3. Northern
>California, Southern California, and Vancouver... and even KUWAIT... they
>all had TERRIFIC representation and the gathering, IMO, was a COMPLETE
>success. I'll never forget it, it was terrific. Let's try and do it
>again someday? :-)
Quite honestly, I would be more than 100% willing to try it again. And
the next time, the fucking joysticks will work...
One comment about Tony Cannon tourney work: Absolutely amazing.
You should have seen this guys excel spreadsheet. Input matches
won against whom, and you get a full bracket system, global
statistics, etc. etc. It was truly a piece of art...
--
Justin Ratcliff: jus...@pe-nelson.com
Cranes,Cure /|\ Gods of modern music
"Home, home in the gym, we've all got more Tong Fei's again..."
Thomas Calvin Cannon
In article <jchensor-220...@ts20-9.wla.ts.ucla.edu>,
J Chensor <jche...@ucla.edu> wrote:
[snip]
> The truth of the matter is this: John Choi and Alex Valle are
>COMPLETELY even. There was NO dominance between the two. I saw the
>matches and I can DEFINTIELY say that it is VERY debatable which of the
>two is better. It's terrible to even give the impression that Alex
>slaughtered the competition. No, John Choi gave him the fight of his life
>and Alex gave John the fight of John's life as well. Everyone there
>agreed that after watching ALL of those fights (Alex one the first set,
>3-2, John won the second set 3-2, and Alex won the last set 3-2... 15
>COMPLETE matches) that we have NEVER seen better Street Fighter in our
>ENTIRE lives. Even all the experts there felt completely worthless and
>inadequate after watching the John vs. Alex fights. Take this advice NOW,
>people... whatever it takes, get a copy of this tournament on tape... the
>John vs. Alex fights are amazing.
>
Chensor is exactly right on this. The atmopshere of the finals was bigger
than anything I've seen attached to Street Fighter. People were cheering
and applauding after each match, and the finish was so dramatic I'd think
it was contrived if I wasn't actually there watching it. It was indeed
the best Street Fighter I had ever seen...ever.
We're working on the tape. I promise that we'll get them out ASAP!
---
Tom Cannon
ink...@leland.stanford.edu
jus...@pe-nelson.com
>> The truth of the matter is this: John Choi and Alex Valle are
>>COMPLETELY even. There was NO dominance between the two. I saw the
>>matches and I can DEFINTIELY say that it is VERY debatable which of the
>>two is better. It's terrible to even give the impression that Alex
>>slaughtered the competition. No, John Choi gave him the fight of his life
>>and Alex gave John the fight of John's life as well. Everyone there
>>agreed that after watching ALL of those fights (Alex one the first set,
>>3-2, John won the second set 3-2, and Alex won the last set 3-2... 15
>>COMPLETE matches) that we have NEVER seen better Street Fighter in our
>>ENTIRE lives. Even all the experts there felt completely worthless and
>>inadequate after watching the John vs. Alex fights. Take this advice NOW,
>>people... whatever it takes, get a copy of this tournament on tape... the
>>John vs. Alex fights are amazing.
>>
>Chensor is exactly right on this. The atmopshere of the finals was bigger
>than anything I've seen attached to Street Fighter. People were cheering
>and applauding after each match, and the finish was so dramatic I'd think
>it was contrived if I wasn't actually there watching it. It was indeed
>the best Street Fighter I had ever seen...ever.
My god... no kidding. Both sets went the full number of games, all were
down to the wire, and in the last game, Valle pulls out the cliched
"secret power character." :)
>We're working on the tape. I promise that we'll get them out ASAP!
Hey! I get it first. :)
>---
>Tom Cannon
>ink...@leland.stanford.edu
Allen Jameson Klein
Excerpts from netnews.alt.games.sf2: 22-Jul-96 Re: ALEX VALLE RULES OVER
B.. by Mo...@unixg.ubc.ca
> MoaTs? The little tidbits that APB mentioned aren't enough, obviously...
> after the tourney, rest, recover, then post!!! And preferably, with some
> objectivity. :)
Objectivity? Nah.. that's what the Cannon Bros. Web pages are for. We
want subjectivity! James, Bob.. if I had made it, would I have won best
nose? ^_^
al
Omega MAD
In article <16...@lax.lax.pe-nelson.com>, jus...@pe-nelson.com writes
>
>My god... no kidding. Both sets went the full number of games, all were
>down to the wire, and in the last game, Valle pulls out the cliched
>"secret power character." :)
>
Someone was saying something about a Ken 50% CC or something could
someone post what it is please as i'm just curios as to what it is.
>>We're working on the tape. I promise that we'll get them out ASAP!
>
>
>
>>---
>>Tom Cannon
>>ink...@leland.stanford.edu
>
>--
>Justin Ratcliff: jus...@pe-nelson.com
>Cranes,Cure /|\ Gods of modern music
>"Home, home in the gym, we've all got more Tong Fei's again..."
>
--
Omega MAD
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It has a lot to offer."
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jus...@pe-nelson.com
>>My god... no kidding. Both sets went the full number of games, all were
>>down to the wire, and in the last game, Valle pulls out the cliched
>>"secret power character." :)
>>
>Secret power character? You mean like his best character or what?
>Someone was saying something about a Ken 50% CC or something could
>someone post what it is please as i'm just curios as to what it is.
>>>We're working on the tape. I promise that we'll get them out ASAP!
Sort of. All of the games were either Ken vs. Ken, or Ken vs. Ryu,
with Valle alternating between Ken and Ryu.
Then, in the last possible game, Valle pulls out Sagat. This big
"ooohhhh" sort of spread through the crowd. :)
Peter Wong
In article <4t8eqv$a...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>, can...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Cannon) wrote:
>In article <4t747q$b...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>,
>Mike Finnie <sfi...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>>mdco...@ix.netcom.com said...
>>One reason: The joysticks, even after being
>>tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
>>machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
>>conspiracy here.
>
>You are _way_ out of line here, Finnie. First of all, for those of
>you not at B3, there were 3 machines set up for SFA2. 1 oversized
>machine that kept breaking, 1 small machine, and one converted X-men.
>David never got to play on the X-men because he _ALWAYS_ asked to
>play on the small machine. Evidently, the small machine had a circular
>template which he was more accustomed to. Had he asked to play on
>the X-men, he would have gotten to play on the X-men (just ask Julien).
>Knowing that the joysticks were flaky, I made _EVERY_ attempt to let
>people play on the machines they asked to play on.
>
>Always playing against Chun-Li? WERE YOU EVEN WATCHING THE TOURNAMENT?!
>Thanks to the wonders of modern technology and a little elbow grease,
>I've got _EVERYTHING_ right here in front of me, Chris. Let's take a
>look, shall we?
>
>1st Match:
> David Cheng [x] Ken [ ] Ken [x] Ken
> Eric Koda [ ] Rose [x] Rose [ ] Rose
>
>2nd Match:
> David Cheng [x] Ken [ ] Ken [x] Ken
> Martin Vega [ ] Charlie [x] Chun Li [ ] Chun Li
>
>3rd Match:
> David Cheng [ ] Ken [x] Ken [ ] Ken
> Richard Koven [x] Chun Li [ ] Chun Li [x] Chun Li
>
>4th Match:
> David Cheng [ ] Ken [x] E.Ryu [ ] E.Ryu
> Jason Nelson [x] Ryu [ ] Ryu [x] Ken
>
>Well. Martin Vega, IMHO, switched to Chun Li only after he
>lost his first match with Charlie. That looks like 1/4 to me.
>Even if you count Martin, that's 5/12 matches. Not suprising
>when you realize almost half of the qualifiers used Chun Li at
>one point or another. Hell Chris, David's 4th Match was _supposed_
>to be against Graham Wolfe (who is KNOWN for his Chun Li), but I
>pulled him out of it to put him against Nelson (not to screw David,
>but to prevent Julien from having to fight Nelson, as Julien had
>already been put in to the losers bracket by Nelson).
>
>If you are accusing me and the other organizers of B3 of FIXING
>the tournament so that certain people would advance and certain
>others would not, I highly recommend you take that back and
>keep your mouth shut, as you have no idea what you're talking about.
>
>>But anyways, I think you people haven't given David the credit he
>>deserved. Given perfect joysticks and a better draw, I say he would have
>>won the tournament.
>
>David's draw was just as good as John's and Alex's. In order to get
>to the finals, John had to get past Thao and Alex had to get past
>Jason Cole, BOTH of which are excellent players, placing regularly in
>the top 4 in Sunnyvale and Southern Hills tournaments. David had
>to get past Koven, and he lost. Yes, the joysticks were imperfect.
>Hell, life isn't perfect. The greats learn to adjust.
>Alex Valle, John Choi, Jason Nelson, and Jeff Schaeffer all adjusted
>and took top four. Again, I'm sorry that David was sick, but I
>refuse to believe he is #3 until he enters a tournament and places #3!
>
>Don't get me wrong, David's an excellent player and a very nice guy.
>In my opinion, he's probably top 16. But get off this, "David was
>robbed! David was robbed!" theory, Chris. It only makes you look
>silly.
>
>(or at least top 8...)
>--
>Tony Cannon
>can...@vxtreme.com
>
>
Come on! Chris, just take it easy, please don't argue a thing which already
passed. Mmm....maybe David and us can try next year, Okay? Anyway,
David was really sick after the Tourney, but how do you know?
And Tony, my friend, let me tell you one thing, if David isn't feel good in
that night, he won't barely lost the 3rd and 4th matches! Do you agree?
:) Anyway (again!), I hope next yr's tourney(Maybe B4 or F3.....) can do
better for what we think! Okay?(we will have to drive 18 hrs....damn!)
Take care!
Peter W
Tony Cannon
Mike Finnie
I retracted my conspiracy thoeory, I wasn't thinking. Sorry gor making
you guys respond to that.
wing...@direct.ca said...
>Come on! Chris, just take it easy, please don't argue a thing which
>already
I just think that David Chang would have done better on a different day.
The reason is that I have seen David at his best, and towards the end
against Koven, Vega, and Nelson, Dvid was making miustakes all over the
place he would never make usually. This was attributed to some illness,
I learned from David. FINE, people. he didn't win, whatever. I know what
I've seen from him, and John Choi and Alex Valle didn't blow me away
like they blow you guys away, cause I've seen it all before from David.
PLUS, you guys don't CC through FB's, David does. I guess the rest is
pointless cause It's all over with. I'm sorry I brought all this up
cause I came down to this thing being mediocre at both games. ST is
dead, so I coulndt practice tha, nobody could. And I just simply don't
play SFA2, the price was a ripoff ($1), and I thought it sucked from the
beginning. If SF3 turns out good, I'll confirm me playing the game and
I'll try to get good enough to be a force at B4 next summer.
Sorry for starting this thread if it became so negative for you people.
>passed. Mmm....maybe David and us can try next year, Okay? Anyway,
>David was really sick after the Tourney, but how do you know?
I talked to him and I could tell... David was just not the real David in
the finals. He was playing at 50% of his ability, serious. Too bad he
got sick, cause that WAS the reason he didn' make top 4, because he was
clearly as skilled as Valle, Choi. It just sucked cause we're from
Vancouver and had so very little time to show anything. THe sticks on
Friday were a joke and even you complained about them. If we go down
nect summer for the SF3 tourney, the sticks will be perfect, I think we
can guarantee that. Then David, me, long haired peter (short haired
now!), and the best Vancouver SF3 players will go down and make a better
showing.
>And Tony, my friend, let me tell you one thing, if David isn't feel
>good in
>that night, he won't barely lost the 3rd and 4th matches! Do you agree?
This is very true. Jeff and Peter and me have seen what Daivd does when
he is 100%. He was sick and just playing as a shadow of his former self.
I know Koven and Nelson are considered good, but they jumped at Chang a
lot and Chang didn't uppercut, but he usually NEVER lets you jump on
him. Nelson and Koven made several mistakes that David usually punishes,
but he was sick and sluggish, it was just too bad. Martin Vega and Eric
Koda almost beat him, but again, given better conditions it may have
been David on top clearly.
>:) Anyway (again!), I hope next yr's tourney(Maybe B4 or F3.....) can
>do
>better for what we think! Okay?(we will have to drive 18 hrs....damn!)
>Take care!
>Peter W
Matt Taylor wants to get a group photo shot of me, David Chang, you, and
Jeff. I'm thinking Lester's on Friday night? We can send matt the photo.
It was great that you guys showed up. It's really unfortunate that David
fell ill, everybody lost out because if he was better, then final 4
would have been even more interesting IMO. Caontrary to what others
think, we all know that Valle and Choi are awesome, but so is David. All
3 are the best SFA2 players IMO. C'mon, what if Valle felt sick and
started getting blurry vision? He may have taken 9th and people would
talk shit that he sucks and can't beat Sunnyvale. But that's wrong cause
Valle was 100% for b3 and won. Whjat i"m saying is that Chang could have
taken it all if he was 100% too.
End of thread please, I've daid all I care to say on the subject. You
can continue to solely worship Choi/Valle, but I've seen all of them in
their prome, so I can make the best comparison. They are all equally
good. That's it.
chris
J Chensor
In article <4t8t2p$g...@gondor.sdsu.edu>, pai...@rohan.sdsu.edu (Kuroyume)
wrote:
> Mike Finnie (sfi...@intergate.bc.ca) wrote:
>
> : No. David Chang hasn't got ANY respect here. He won somethign like 30
> : straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
> : beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
> : 'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
> : Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
>
> Well, it's true that players usually don't play 100 percent during the
> warm-ups. John told me personally that he was not playing all-out and
> that he was saving it for the tournament. I don't know about Alex, but
> I'm sure there was a very good possibility that he was holding back some
> too. Hell, I was playing Birdie [who I already decided I wasn't going to
> use in the tournament] just so they couldn't gague my real play.
This is true and could be one of my biggest weaknesses. I tend to
play full power during pre-tourney warm-ups, ruining my chances during
tourneys. I hate playing otherwise, because it's dumb to "mask" your
skill just to surprise in tourneys, but I guess it's the best strategy.
I mean, when I watched John at first during the pre-tourney fights, I
wasn't all that impressed. I thought Alex was better. However, John
CERTAINLY killed ALL my doubts during the tournament after he slaughtered
opponent after opponent, one of them being me. I was VERY impressed with
his game play and think that, overall, he may be better than Alex because
he adapts SO quickly. No, John was definitely holding back in pre-tourney
play and I think that Alex did as well. So saying David won a bunch of
games during pre-tourney games has no value since everyone was probably
holding back.
> : made the fight go the distance and make it exciting. You say John and
> : Alex are above everyone, but David is among them. He was getting ILL
> : from the stifling heat, something he is foreign to due to the
> : comfortable Lester's perfect conditions. The joysticks, even after being
>
> Well, you have a point here Chris. Remember when we went to go eat during
> the dinner break? I was feeling so sick from heat-exhaustion, I couldn't
> eat and just slept the entire time. Also, I think David told me that he
> wasn't feeling too well, but this was just an unfortunate thing that
> happened to me and him. There was no conspiracy involved.
It's crazy to complain about controllers and about the heat IMO. I
mean, let's face it... if I'm there and I'm burning up with heat, how can
you assume your opponent is NOT? No, EVERYONE was weakened by the heat
there. It wasn't all isolated on David.
And about the controllers, I personally had NO problems with them.
However, this may just be my great experience playing on sub-par
controllers at UCLA all the time (though they do fix it a LOT whenever you
ask them to). But again, I played on all three machines and on most of
the controllers, and I found not too much problems with any of them.
There were times when I couldn't get what I wanted (like ACs), but I can't
complain overall.
> : tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
> : machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
> : conspiracy here.
>
> I thought the tournament was run extremely well, as far as the Cannons and
> Justin was concerned.
VERY well run. I think the Cannons and the GOlfland staff (and
everyone else involved like Justin Ratcliff) deserve a GREAT round of
applause. They did a TOP NOTCH job and they wanted accurate controllers
about as much as we did.
> As far as Golfland was concerned... well that's another story, but the bottom
> line is there was no conspiracy.
None.
> : Alex Valle
> : John Choi
> : David Chang
>
> : The 3 best SFA2 players in the world, easily. Give him some credit,
> : dammit. He has MASTERED a technique you peopole all though was
> : IMPOSSIBLE.
>
> Well, I'm not going to comment on this, but isn't it interesting how all these
> guys are Ryu/Ken players?
I was just SO glad to see Julien Beasely get so far with Sodom.
Julien, you are my idle concerning Sodom now!!! :-)
David Alexander S Dial
In article <4t747q$b...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>,
Mike Finnie <sfi...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>mdco...@ix.netcom.com said...
>>
>>>
>>> Our Southern Hills Golfland Champ. took the grand prize and beating
>>> over 70 challengers from different parts of the city, states, and
>>>maybe
>>> Canada. For those of you who doubted Southern California players know
>
>straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
>beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
>'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
>Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
Take it from me - I was there. This is not a lie. However, as someone
pointed out (Tom? I erased it already), some people were probably
sandbagging that day...
>He level 3 CC's through every fireball, and takes of 55% life. Everyone
>there was talking about it. About 'that guy'. Just because he wasn't in
>the finals, he gets ZERO recognition. But there were a TON of players
>who werent on the net who were utterly blown away.
Ah... the level 3 CC to multiple hits to mixed-up DPs... best CC I saw in
Sunnyvale...
>Why doesn't John Choi
>or Alex Valle CC through FB's?
They don't have to. 'nuff said.
>Hmmm.... This is a real skill, it takes
>timing and ability. But any frickin monkey can CC when someone is
>standing there, big deal. People say the Valle-Choi final is the best SF
>game ever. Yeah it was exciting for a crowd to watch but it was a CC
>spaz fest! It was coincidence and the closeness in their ability that
>made the fight go the distance and make it exciting.
Face the facts. In the tournament, Valle and Choi were the best. Chang
*is* up there, hell there were a lot of people up there, but Those Two
ruled B3.
>Alex Valle
>John Choi
>David Chang
>
>The 3 best SFA2 players in the world, easily. Give him some credit,
>dammit. He has MASTERED a technique you peopole all though was
>IMPOSSIBLE.
Umm... I think all of us knew you could CC through a fireball. This group
is where I found that out. It's just that none of us rely on CCing
through fireballs as much as David Chang. Everyone has their own style,
their own gameplan. Just because Chang could do that technique doesn't
make him the best.
>Also I talked to David Chang. I asked him who he thought was the best
>player, without hesitation he preplied "John Choi. He has skill, while
>Valle uses CC bullshit". Well, Valle may not have skill in David's mind,
>but Valle mixes up strategy and hits limbs better than anyone, he is
>incredibly fun to watch and this is all a skill in itself.
Exactly. Everyone at B3 had a higher than average skill level. I still
don't like the attitude everyone has with ACs and CCs. Takes little
skill? Yeah, but then neither does throwing. The true greats mix
*everything* together and excel. That's what Valle and Choi did.
>But anyways, I think you people haven't given David the credit he
>deserved. Given perfect joysticks and a better draw, I say he would have
>won the tournament. And don't forget he beat Valle practically EVERY
>time they played. Who else can do that? Not even John Choi can claim
>that.
Ifs,ands, and buts... David's a great player. Are Valle and Choi better?
I don't know. I hate making comparisons. But the facts point out that on
July 20, Valle and Choi were better. Here's my opinions on the 3 of them:
Chang:
Can use a lot of characters (I saw him use Ryu/Ken, Bison, and Zangief
better than a lot of people there). Mastered the art of CC'ing through
fireballs.
Choi:
Standard one-character grandmaster. Actually 2, but Ken/Ryu count as one
in my book. Very patient. Relies mostly on combos - rarely ever see him
throw except as a last resort (at least, the few times I saw him play,
that's what I gathered).
Valle:
Without a doubt, the best all-around player at B3 in my opinion. Mixed
everything up - AC's, CC's, multi-hit combos, throws, you name it. His
was the best Zangief I saw on Friday (James Chen was using Sodom). His
Ken and Ryu are absolutely amazing, and on Saturday I saw him use *Gen*
with almost the same level of skill. Then I hear he won the last match
with Sagat? My hat's off to him...
I don't know which one of them is the best, but without a doubt, they're
all great.
David Alexander S. Dial
Tony Cannon
I didn't get a chance to see any of David's matches, but being
sick certainly can't help your game. If he wasn't sick, who knows?
He might have been in the final four. Unfortunately, there's no way
of knowing.
>:) Anyway (again!), I hope next yr's tourney(Maybe B4 or F3.....) can do
>better for what we think! Okay?(we will have to drive 18 hrs....damn!)
Hey, if you guys are willing to drive 18 hours again, I'm all for it!
--
Tony Cannon
can...@cs.stanford.edu
Thomas Calvin Cannon
>No. David Chang hasn't got ANY respect here. He won somethign like 30
>straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
>beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
>'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
>Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
>
You mention this about 6 times in other threads, so I'll respond to
it once here.
*NONE* of the LA players, and very few of the Sunnyvale players, were
playing their hardest on Friday. It's the tournament mentality; you
don't show your best stuff the day before the tournament. If you do,
you're giving away any advantage that you might have.
That's the way it works here. Your ability is gauged by how well you
do in tournaments.
[snip]
>But there were a TON of players
>who werent on the net who were utterly blown away. Why doesn't John Choi
>or Alex Valle CC through FB's?
Why can't David AC low attacks more consistently? Sheesh. You're putting
way too much stock in this one trick. It's powerful alright, but
as David's performance in the tournament shows (and he did very well...
this isn't a knock at all), it's not enough to hinge your whole game
on.
[snip]
>Alex are above everyone, but David is among them. He was getting ILL
>from the stifling heat, something he is foreign to due to the
>comfortable Lester's perfect conditions. The joysticks, even after being
>tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
>machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
>conspiracy here.
^^^^^^^^^^
Now this is TOTAL bullshit, and I'm getting offended here.
#1 David did not play on the X-Men because he REQUESTED that every one
of his matches be played on the machine I was refereeing. To repeat,
David got to play on his *CHOICE MACHINE* the entire tournament, and
got his preferred side almost every match. Right before the tournament,
I asked David if the machine was ok. He replied, "This one is good.
Let me play on this one." The condition of the machine was ZERO factor
in David's tournament performance.
#2 It takes a lot of balls to complain about the bracket when Tony spent
many hours ensuring the most fair bracket possible, and even made
some changes on the fly during the tournament. As Tony mentions
in his own response, David only played Chun Li about 1/2 the time,
which is around average for the tournament. David was given one of
the four #1 seeds for the finals, meaning that the bracket was
arranged in David's _favor_ as he was matched up against the lower-
ranked players from the other 3 regions.
#3 David, Peter, and Jeffery were all great sports during the entire
tournament. I have no idea what motivated this tantrum from you.
Canada did well for itself in B3, and your whining is spoiling their
good reputation.
[snip]
>But anyways, I think you people haven't given David the credit he
>deserved. Given perfect joysticks and a better draw, I say he would have
>won the tournament. And don't forget he beat Valle practically EVERY
>time they played. Who else can do that? Not even John Choi can claim
>that.
Chris, you're the only person I know who can talk smack after losing.
You're not even correct about the facts surrounding the event. David's
joystick was near-perfect and he had the best draw possible.
To even insinuate that the tournament was stacked is a slap in the
face to the people who worked hard to organize it and the players
that performed so well.
---
Tom Cannon
ink...@leland.stanford.edu
Jon Winkler
In article <4t9ekn$b...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> S. Ives wrote:
>>dead, so I coulndt practice tha, nobody could. And I just simply don't
>>play SFA2, the price was a ripoff ($1), and I thought it sucked from the
>>beginning. If SF3 turns out good, I'll confirm me playing the game and
>>I'll try to get good enough to be a force at B4 next summer.
>A DOLLAR for SFA2???? Big time rip off. 50c is enough IMO.
Where in Canada is it 50c? I've seen it be 75c in some places but never 50c.
-----------------------------
I Hate GUIs!!!
Jon Winkler
qwer...@gnn.com
Mike Finnie
kin...@ix.netcom.co said...
>
>Our Southern Hills Golfland Champ. took the grand prize and beating
>over 70 challengers from different parts of the city, states, and maybe
>Canada. For those of you who doubted Southern California players know
>custom combo's and smart play that even a master turtler couldn't
>handle. Goes to prove that Southern Hills Golfland has the best player
>in California and possibly beyond!
For those who weren't there, this is the Valle Custom technique:
If the enemy is EVER blocking high for any reason inside half screen,
you CC then low roundhouse into a huge combo. You cannot pull down to
block.
Total BS, the game is now trash and a half.
Not to take away from Valle though. This game was simply made for him,
he uses everything to his advantage, and is very fun to watch. Lots of
great tricks.
chris
AMcMahon
>
> But anyways, I think you people haven't given David the credit he
> deserved. Given perfect joysticks and a better draw, I say he would have
> won the tournament. And don't forget he beat Valle practically EVERY
> time they played. Who else can do that? Not even John Choi can claim
> that.
>
>
Sorry but I have to interject. David was excellent I agree as well
as John and Allex but every one I talked to thought the same thing.
Everyone knows he was good but I think you're going too far. For one,
although the heat sucked you can hardly count that as an excuse. Two, a
better draw? Please, if he's supposed to be one of the top three then it
shouldn't matter who he's matched up against. He should be able to beat
anyone but Allex and John so that argument's out the window. Eric Koda
from San Diego should've beat him in the tournament. It came down to the
last pixel of health but Eric could'nt get off his supers on the bad
joysticks which is your only legitimate argument. David was definately
very good but he didn't have the randomness or reflexes that John and
Allex had.
--
Adam McMahon
***************************************
* I'm your master. Pain is a state *
* of mind and I don't mind your pain. *
* Dhalsim *
***************************************
Mike Finnie
sfi...@intergate.bc.ca said...
>tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
>machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
>conspiracy here.
I take this back before people respond to this., I forgot that the
bracket was simply littered with CHuns.
chris
Mike Finnie
mdco...@ix.netcom.com said...
>
>APB wrote:
>>
>> Our Southern Hills Golfland Champ. took the grand prize and beating
>> over 70 challengers from different parts of the city, states, and
>>maybe
>> Canada. For those of you who doubted Southern California players know
No. David Chang hasn't got ANY respect here. He won somethign like 30
straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
He level 3 CC's through every fireball, and takes of 55% life. Everyone
there was talking about it. About 'that guy'. Just because he wasn't in
the finals, he gets ZERO recognition. But there were a TON of players
who werent on the net who were utterly blown away. Why doesn't John Choi
or Alex Valle CC through FB's? Hmmm.... This is a real skill, it takes
timing and ability. But any frickin monkey can CC when someone is
standing there, big deal. People say the Valle-Choi final is the best SF
game ever. Yeah it was exciting for a crowd to watch but it was a CC
spaz fest! It was coincidence and the closeness in their ability that
made the fight go the distance and make it exciting. You say John and
Alex are above everyone, but David is among them. He was getting ILL
from the stifling heat, something he is foreign to due to the
comfortable Lester's perfect conditions. The joysticks, even after being
tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
conspiracy here.
Alex Valle
John Choi
David Chang
The 3 best SFA2 players in the world, easily. Give him some credit,
dammit. He has MASTERED a technique you peopole all though was
IMPOSSIBLE.
Also I talked to David Chang. I asked him who he thought was the best
player, without hesitation he preplied "John Choi. He has skill, while
Valle uses CC bullshit". Well, Valle may not have skill in David's mind,
but Valle mixes up strategy and hits limbs better than anyone, he is
incredibly fun to watch and this is all a skill in itself.
But anyways, I think you people haven't given David the credit he
deserved. Given perfect joysticks and a better draw, I say he would have
won the tournament. And don't forget he beat Valle practically EVERY
time they played. Who else can do that? Not even John Choi can claim
that.
chris
chris
Julien B. Beasley
>In article <4t8eqv$a...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>, can...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Cannon) wrote:
>>one point or another. Hell Chris, David's 4th Match was _supposed_
>>to be against Graham Wolfe (who is KNOWN for his Chun Li), but I
>>pulled him out of it to put him against Nelson (not to screw David,
>>but to prevent Julien from having to fight Nelson, as Julien had
>>already been put in to the losers bracket by Nelson).
AHEM! You mean Nelson had already been put into the losers bracket
by Julien, I hope.
-Julien
--
Stream polished pebbles SF2 Code v1.0: t+ c+ T+ r+(-)
In the mind's still garden pool f g+ m+ s+ v+ M+(-) n+:++ o+
Tony Cannon
In article <4t8kf5$m...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
Julien B. Beasley <j...@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>>In article <4t8eqv$a...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>, can...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Cannon) wrote:
>
>by Julien, I hope.
Forgive me, oh great Sodomizer! You are correct (it's right in the
bracket, I just mis-posted). I hope I haven't offended....
--
Tony Cannon
can...@vxtreme.com
Kuroyume
Mike Finnie (sfi...@intergate.bc.ca) wrote:
: No. David Chang hasn't got ANY respect here. He won somethign like 30
: straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
: beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
: 'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
: Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
Well, it's true that players usually don't play 100 percent during the
warm-ups. John told me personally that he was not playing all-out and
that he was saving it for the tournament. I don't know about Alex, but
I'm sure there was a very good possibility that he was holding back some
too. Hell, I was playing Birdie [who I already decided I wasn't going to
use in the tournament] just so they couldn't gague my real play.
Secondly, did you notice that everyone got their streaks on the 2P side?
The LA guys got their streak on that side, as did David, and I believe
John did as well. The 1P side of that machine was just pathethic. I just
stopped playing on that machine and went to play ST because you couldn't
have a fair fight on that machine.
: made the fight go the distance and make it exciting. You say John and
: Alex are above everyone, but David is among them. He was getting ILL
: from the stifling heat, something he is foreign to due to the
: comfortable Lester's perfect conditions. The joysticks, even after being
Well, you have a point here Chris. Remember when we went to go eat during
the dinner break? I was feeling so sick from heat-exhaustion, I couldn't
eat and just slept the entire time. Also, I think David told me that he
wasn't feeling too well, but this was just an unfortunate thing that
happened to me and him. There was no conspiracy involved.
: tweaked, were not perfect, and you did not let David play on the X-Men
: machine, and matched him up against every Chun Li player. I smell
: conspiracy here.
I thought the tournament was run extremely well, as far as the Cannons and
Justin was concerned.
As far as Golfland was concerned... well that's another story, but the bottom
line is there was no conspiracy.
: Alex Valle
: John Choi
: David Chang
: The 3 best SFA2 players in the world, easily. Give him some credit,
: dammit. He has MASTERED a technique you peopole all though was
: IMPOSSIBLE.
Well, I'm not going to comment on this, but isn't it interesting how all these
guys are Ryu/Ken players?
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Kuroyume
J Chensor (jche...@ucla.edu) wrote:
: In article <4t8t2p$g...@gondor.sdsu.edu>, pai...@rohan.sdsu.edu (Kuroyume)
: wrote:
: > Well, you have a point here Chris. Remember when we went to go eat during
: > the dinner break? I was feeling so sick from heat-exhaustion, I couldn't
: > eat and just slept the entire time. Also, I think David told me that he
: > wasn't feeling too well, but this was just an unfortunate thing that
: > happened to me and him. There was no conspiracy involved.
: It's crazy to complain about controllers and about the heat IMO. I
: mean, let's face it... if I'm there and I'm burning up with heat, how can
: you assume your opponent is NOT? No, EVERYONE was weakened by the heat
: there. It wasn't all isolated on David.
First of all, James, I am not saying that the heat defeated me. In fact, I
lost because a greater player beat me, although I felt my joystick could have
been better. Having got that out of the way, you must understand that not
all people are affected by the heat in the same manner. All people have
different level or tolerances, whether it be heat, cold, pain, whatever.
You cannot assume that the heat was affecting me or David to the same extent
as it was you and everyone else there. I truely felt like passing out during
dinner.
Again, I don't blame anything for my losses. I lost because my opponent played
better than I did.
: And about the controllers, I personally had NO problems with them.
: However, this may just be my great experience playing on sub-par
: controllers at UCLA all the time (though they do fix it a LOT whenever you
: ask them to). But again, I played on all three machines and on most of
: the controllers, and I found not too much problems with any of them.
: There were times when I couldn't get what I wanted (like ACs), but I can't
: complain overall.
Ask Justin. I couldn't even crouch during one of my games. Just because the
tournament was run so well, doesn't mean we overlook any negative points about
it. Some of the joysticks were bad. That's a fact. The complaints were not
limited to just a couple of people.
Again, these aren't serving for excuses for my or anyone else's losses. I'm
just pointing out things that, IMO, was not up to par.
S. Ives
sfi...@intergate.bc.ca (Mike Finnie) wrote:
>I retracted my conspiracy thoeory, I wasn't thinking. Sorry gor making
>you guys respond to that.
>wing...@direct.ca said...
>>Come on! Chris, just take it easy, please don't argue a thing which
>>already
>I just think that David Chang would have done better on a different day.
>The reason is that I have seen David at his best, and towards the end
>against Koven, Vega, and Nelson, Dvid was making miustakes all over the
>place he would never make usually. This was attributed to some illness,
>I learned from David. FINE, people. he didn't win, whatever. I know what
>I've seen from him, and John Choi and Alex Valle didn't blow me away
>like they blow you guys away, cause I've seen it all before from David.
>PLUS, you guys don't CC through FB's, David does. I guess the rest is
>pointless cause It's all over with. I'm sorry I brought all this up
>cause I came down to this thing being mediocre at both games. ST is
>dead, so I coulndt practice tha, nobody could. And I just simply don't
>play SFA2, the price was a ripoff ($1), and I thought it sucked from the
>beginning. If SF3 turns out good, I'll confirm me playing the game and
>I'll try to get good enough to be a force at B4 next summer.
>Sorry for starting this thread if it became so negative for you people.
>>passed. Mmm....maybe David and us can try next year, Okay? Anyway,
>>David was really sick after the Tourney, but how do you know?
>I talked to him and I could tell... David was just not the real David in
>the finals. He was playing at 50% of his ability, serious. Too bad he
>got sick, cause that WAS the reason he didn' make top 4, because he was
>clearly as skilled as Valle, Choi. It just sucked cause we're from
>Vancouver and had so very little time to show anything. THe sticks on
>Friday were a joke and even you complained about them. If we go down
>nect summer for the SF3 tourney, the sticks will be perfect, I think we
>can guarantee that. Then David, me, long haired peter (short haired
>now!), and the best Vancouver SF3 players will go down and make a better
>showing.
>>And Tony, my friend, let me tell you one thing, if David isn't feel
>>good in
>>that night, he won't barely lost the 3rd and 4th matches! Do you agree?
>This is very true. Jeff and Peter and me have seen what Daivd does when
>he is 100%. He was sick and just playing as a shadow of his former self.
>I know Koven and Nelson are considered good, but they jumped at Chang a
>lot and Chang didn't uppercut, but he usually NEVER lets you jump on
>him. Nelson and Koven made several mistakes that David usually punishes,
>but he was sick and sluggish, it was just too bad. Martin Vega and Eric
>Koda almost beat him, but again, given better conditions it may have
>been David on top clearly.
>>:) Anyway (again!), I hope next yr's tourney(Maybe B4 or F3.....) can
>>do
>>better for what we think! Okay?(we will have to drive 18 hrs....damn!)
>>Take care!
>>Peter W
>Matt Taylor wants to get a group photo shot of me, David Chang, you, and
>Jeff. I'm thinking Lester's on Friday night? We can send matt the photo.
>It was great that you guys showed up. It's really unfortunate that David
>fell ill, everybody lost out because if he was better, then final 4
>would have been even more interesting IMO. Caontrary to what others
>think, we all know that Valle and Choi are awesome, but so is David. All
>3 are the best SFA2 players IMO. C'mon, what if Valle felt sick and
>started getting blurry vision? He may have taken 9th and people would
>talk shit that he sucks and can't beat Sunnyvale. But that's wrong cause
>Valle was 100% for b3 and won. Whjat i"m saying is that Chang could have
>taken it all if he was 100% too.
>End of thread please, I've daid all I care to say on the subject. You
>can continue to solely worship Choi/Valle, but I've seen all of them in
>their prome, so I can make the best comparison. They are all equally
>good. That's it.
>chris
Mike Finnie
pai...@rohan.sdsu.edu said...
> not all people are affected by the heat in the same manner. All
>people have
>different level or tolerances, whether it be heat, cold, pain,
>whatever.
>You cannot assume that the heat was affecting me or David to the same
>extent
>as it was you and everyone else there. I truely felt like passing out
>during
>dinner.
I'll testify to this. Bob was comatose during our meal. How bad did I
feel the heat? I spent ten bucks on drinks on the entire day. I think I
sweated all of it out too. Us Canadians were melting in Golfland. Maybe
not Jeffrey, cause he wasn't wearing a shirt. That was a good idea in
hindsight.
>Again, I don't blame anything for my losses. I lost because my
>opponent played
>better than I did.
Graham? Yeah he's really tough to beat. Doesn't help that he has the
game in his kitchen, but he's also a really smart, tactical player as
well. He'll be one to watch in the upcoming tourneys, he could surprise
many with some new characters [grin]...
>Ask Justin. I couldn't even crouch during one of my games. Just
>because the
>tournament was run so well, doesn't mean we overlook any negative
>points about
>it. Some of the joysticks were bad. That's a fact. The complaints
>were not
>limited to just a couple of people.
I talked to everyone and they all agreed those sticks were the quality
you'd expect in a low-class, Russian, ghetto arcade.
chris
Peter Wong
In article <4t8jl6$f...@crl.crl.com>, dd...@crl.com (David Alexander S Dial) wrote:
......
>Chang:
>
>Can use a lot of characters (I saw him use Ryu/Ken, Bison, and Zangief
>better than a lot of people there). Mastered the art of CC'ing through
>fireballs.
>
SFA2, and his Charlie, Rose, Akuma and Sagat can do much more than Zangief!
And the most important thing is, he just come back to play SFA2 2 months ago
after he stop playing and VIDEO GAME 3 months!
Peter W
Julien B. Beasley
In article <4t8l3q$c...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>,
Tony Cannon <can...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>>AHEM! You mean Nelson had already been put into the losers bracket
>>by Julien, I hope.
>
>Forgive me, oh great Sodomizer! You are correct (it's right in the
>bracket, I just mis-posted). I hope I haven't offended....
You are forgiven my son.Do 5 hail marys, 4 lvl 2 sc pb finishes,
and 3 carpet drops against ken/chun li as your penance.
May the Mizer have mercy on your soul.
ICHUZA!
Allen Jameson Klein
Excerpts from netnews.alt.games.sf2: 25-Jul-96 Re: Give David Chang some
w.. by Thomas Calvin Cannon@lel
> do in tournaments.
Hey, while he was fooling around with Sagat before a warzone tourney, I
fared wayy better against Mr. Nelson than I should have. I think he
found my sakura walk-in throws kinda amusing, at least. ^_^
ak-47
David Sirlin
This whole David Chang thing is getting way out of hand. You guys want to
talk about Friday play? I'll talk about Friday play. I played David three
times. One was my Dhalsim vs. his Bison. He took turtling to new heights
and beat me. Fine. I've always lost that match anyway.
Then I switched to Bison. I beat him easily without even really trying. It
was the day before the tourament and I didn't use CC's (even though I base
most of my game on CCs with Bison. Actually, check out my matches vs. Thao
and Nelson and you'll see I base more of my game on CC's than Chang does).
I didn't use supers (well maybe ONE). Anyway, I didn't use half the stuff
I normally do and beat him. He switched to Ken. He beat me a round off
about a zillion throws. Fine. I beat him the other two rounds not even
using my best stuff and again without much trouble.
And you know what I thought about all that? Absolutlely nothing. I figured
he was holding back, too, so I didn't say anything. But now some people
are talking like Friday meant something so I just had to bring this to
light.
And while I'm on the subject of giving people more credit than they
deserve, I definately think that Choi and Valle are not alone on their
level of skill. "No, there is another." And his name is Tony Ngo. That's
right, Tony Ngo. The same Tony that lost to Shaeffer at B3. Tony lost
because he played like crap in that match. I sure don't know why. I've
seen him play at 100%. Hell, I've seen him play at 100% against John Choi,
so I know he's up there, but he screwed up come tourney time so there's
nothing Tony or I can say to make anyone believe my claim.
You know what the solution is to such an awkward situation? The solution
is to gently express regret that whatever player (tony for me, Chang for
the Canadians) didn't do as well as whoever thought he should have. Then,
let it go. Anything more assertive is just wasted breath since even if the
Canadians or I are right, we're not going to change anyone's minds with
talk after they saw the finals of the century.
Let it go.
--David Sirlin--
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Mike Finnie (sfi...@intergate.bc.ca) wrote:
: pai...@rohan.sdsu.edu said...
: chris
Hmm. I could have gone to that Sunnyvale tourney also..I was there on
vacation/family get together type thing. but i didn't go cause like i
said..it was a family get together. Anyways, How can you complain about
the weather there. it's AWESOME. No humidity, just heat..which is very
bearable because of the zero humidity. Try the weather on the east
coast. Humidity sucks..anyways I did go to the arcade once and well- what
i said before about californians not comparing to east coasteners..well i
was smoking crack so disregard. The players there were extremely good. I
di pretty well over there. Had a few streaks..but the buttons were all
messed up. I had to hit them pretty hard for the move to come out..so
that sucked. Well--if anyone is goign to complain about the 'weather' in
the sunnyvale area..then you are also smoking crack..
Just some babble--
-Nhat
Jon Winkler
In article <4tb9nu$a...@news.inforamp.net> Asiliat the Wonder Puppy wrote:
>Date: 26 Jul 1996 20:27:42 GMT
>From: Asi...@Hole.in.da.Ground (Asiliat the Wonder Puppy)
>Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
>Subject: Price of SFA2 in Canada
>
>In article <4ta5s3$j...@news-e2c.gnn.com>,
> Qwer...@gnn.com (Jon Winkler) wrote:
>
>>>A DOLLAR for SFA2???? Big time rip off. 50c is enough IMO.
>>
>>Where in Canada is it 50c? I've seen it be 75c in some places but never
> 50c.
>
>In Toronto Canada, it's 25c, depending on where you go. The arcades in
>Scarborough, by Midland/Lawrence is 25c, they have 2 arcades, combined
> total
>of 6 alpha 2 machines, all 25c each.
Too far from BC for me. Boy, they're really ripping us off in Vancouver. And
here I thought it was just the exchange rate from American $.
Asiliat the Wonder Puppy
>>A DOLLAR for SFA2???? Big time rip off. 50c is enough IMO.
>
>Where in Canada is it 50c? I've seen it be 75c in some places but never 50c.
In Toronto Canada, it's 25c, depending on where you go. The arcades in
Scarborough, by Midland/Lawrence is 25c, they have 2 arcades, combined total
of 6 alpha 2 machines, all 25c each.
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Chris Finnie
sir...@calweb.com said...
>Let it go.
I've already said this. I talked with some people and yeah even David
was screwing around. Even I was advised by a couple of players not to
use the tourney character, but I basically didn't bother to even play
SFA2. The sticks on Friday were also suspect, almost as bad as they were
on the qualifying.
As for people on par with Valle/Choi, I say Tony Ngo is as skilled as
them, and so is Jason Nelson. In fact, I think if Jason Cole fought
Valle another 10 times, Cole would come out on top. I think Jason Cole
should have probably made the finals of the Sunday tourney as well. If
he won that, not everyone would be praising Valle as much.
It all comes down to tourney performance, cause 2nd and 3rd makes a big
difference in recognition. The reason I was foreign to all this was of
course, the fact Vancouver never had ANY tourneys. Of course now I know
the tourney atmosphere and stuff...
I think David and all the Vancouver players had a disadvantage because
there simply isn't the sheer quantity of competition there, let alone
the fact we don't have tourneys. David has as much skill as anyone at
B3, he just doesn't have the tourney experience and quantity of
competition.
chris
Peter Wong
Let it go......
Peter W
Chris Finnie
aj...@andrew.cmu.edu said...
Actaully Nelson doesn't FOOL AROUND with Sagat. He uses him in toruneys
sometimes. Here's a Gamest SFA2 tip for Sakura - after her punch throw,
walk in a tad and start a HELLA early overhead, then chan into low
short, into a bigass super. It all combos but is tough to time.
chris
Peter Wong
In article <4td09v$f...@news-e2d.gnn.com>, Qwer...@gnn.com (Jon Winkler) wrote:
>
>In article <4tb9nu$a...@news.inforamp.net> Asiliat the Wonder Puppy wrote:
>>Date: 26 Jul 1996 20:27:42 GMT
>>From: Asi...@Hole.in.da.Ground (Asiliat the Wonder Puppy)
>>Newsgroups: alt.games.sf2
>>Subject: Price of SFA2 in Canada
>>
>> Qwer...@gnn.com (Jon Winkler) wrote:
>>
>>>>A DOLLAR for SFA2???? Big time rip off. 50c is enough IMO.
>>>
>>>Where in Canada is it 50c? I've seen it be 75c in some places but never
>> 50c.
>>
>>In Toronto Canada, it's 25c, depending on where you go. The arcades in
>>Scarborough, by Midland/Lawrence is 25c, they have 2 arcades, combined
>> total
>>of 6 alpha 2 machines, all 25c each.
>
>here I thought it was just the exchange rate from American $.
>
>-----------------------------
>
>I Hate GUIs!!!
>Jon Winkler
>qwer...@gnn.com
>
Center's Top Gun or Parker Place's Arcade, but their Joystick and Button isn't
very good........
Peter W
Jason Malone
>>>APB wrote:
>>>> Our Southern Hills Golfland Champ. took the grand prize and beating
>>>> over 70 challengers from different parts of the city, states, and
>>
>>No. David Chang hasn't got ANY respect here. He won somethign like 30
>>straight games against local players early Friday, then took on LA and
>>beat Alex Valle/Mike Watson NINE games in a row. Don't give any BS like
>>'it's no tourney, they're just screwing around', I was THERE, and David
>>Chang was toying with LA like they were kids. One reason:
>
>>there was talking about it. About 'that guy'. Just because he wasn't in
>>the finals, he gets ZERO recognition. But there were a TON of players
>>who werent on the net who were utterly blown away.
>Ah... the level 3 CC to multiple hits to mixed-up DPs... best CC I saw in
>Sunnyvale...
Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
Chris Finnie
jdma...@unity.ncsu.edu said...
>Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
>It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
You're best off trying at level 3, it's easiest. Hold towards on the
stick as the FB comes close, and do a CC when the FB is about 1 inch
from your character. The easiest is after a blocked low forward or RH
into a FB. Don't press any attacks, just run through the FB and kill
them when you reach them.
chris
Omega MAD
In article <4tmtg4$4...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>, Chris Finnie
<sfi...@intergate.bc.ca> writes
could make him an absolute nightmare :)
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AMcMahon
>
> Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
> It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
You need at least a lvl2 CC to do it and you must time your CC
right before the FB hits you. You have a split second of invulnerability
when you start your CC.
Carlo emilio Ang - MECE/W94
Chris Finnie (sfi...@intergate.bc.ca) wrote:
: You're best off trying at level 3, it's easiest. Hold towards on the
: from your character. The easiest is after a blocked low forward or RH
: into a FB. Don't press any attacks, just run through the FB and kill
: them when you reach them.
: chris
According to Eugene Leong (our downtown CC guru): yes, don't hit any
attacks till point blank (to prolong "sail time" of CC), then go nuts
on point blank. Note though, the long duration of fierces or roundhouses
MIGHT stop your CC if it has expired past it's invulnerability frame,
assuming the fierce or RH came out before the CC started.
Lastly, isn't Adon's ability to hit crouchers with ANY punch or kick
standing (except with standing strong) great for "priming" your
special moves in the CC? You know, tick a bit just to gather your
wits to get the stick motion in properly?
PS: I WANT THE SAINT BAAL's ADDRESS BACK!!! If not, how bout "Rake
at the Gates of Hell". (Henry might know bout this).
Chris Finnie
ca...@acs.ryerson.ca said...
>According to Eugene Leong (our downtown CC guru): yes, don't hit any
>attacks till point blank (to prolong "sail time" of CC), then go nuts
>on point blank. Note though, the long duration of fierces or
You only have one guy who goes thru FB's with CC's? Anyways yeah he's
right, but it's been around for ages, and I still think CC's are worse
than AC's. I almost never use them at all when I play. A sort of silent
protest, and it hurts my chances of winning but I don't care. The game
is a joke and I'm not intersted in 'mastering' it.
>Lastly, isn't Adon's ability to hit crouchers with ANY punch or kick
>standing (except with standing strong) great for "priming" your
>special moves in the CC? You know, tick a bit just to gather your
>wits to get the stick motion in properly?
Huh? I don't know what you mean here. The CC pause is more than enough
time to get you ready for your next move.
>PS: I WANT THE SAINT BAAL's ADDRESS BACK!!! If not, how bout "Rake
> at the Gates of Hell". (Henry might know bout this).
Hmm, I'll think about it.
chris
Omega MAD
In article <31FF9C...@sonyinteractive.com>, AMcMahon
<amcm...@sonyinteractive.com> writes
>>
>> Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
>> It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
>
>
>
>
> You need at least a lvl2 CC to do it and you must time your CC
>right before the FB hits you. You have a split second of invulnerability
>when you start your CC.
>
>
thu a fast fireball at lv1?
J Chensor
> >
> > Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
> > It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
>
> You need at least a lvl2 CC to do it and you must time your CC
> right before the FB hits you. You have a split second of invulnerability
> when you start your CC.
It depends on who you are. Guy can slip through fireballs at Level 1
if he does them clsoe enough, but only because he's so skinny and walks so
fast. Zangief can't go through fireballs at Level 3 at all (or can he
barely squeeze through Fierce ones?).
But in general, you'll have the most success at Level 3.
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Peter Wong
In article <jchensor-020...@ts33-6.wla.ts.ucla.edu>, jche...@ucla.edu (J Chensor) wrote:
>In article <31FF9C...@sonyinteractive.com>, AMcMahon
><amcm...@sonyinteractive.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
>> > It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
>>
>> You need at least a lvl2 CC to do it and you must time your CC
>> right before the FB hits you. You have a split second of invulnerability
>> when you start your CC.
>
> It depends on who you are. Guy can slip through fireballs at Level 1
>if he does them clsoe enough, but only because he's so skinny and walks so
>fast. Zangief can't go through fireballs at Level 3 at all (or can he
>barely squeeze through Fierce ones?).
>
> But in general, you'll have the most success at Level 3.
>
>--
needs skill and practice.
Pwinner
Chris Finnie wrote:
> You only have one guy who goes thru FB's with CC's? Anyways yeah he's
> right, but it's been around for ages, and I still think CC's are worse
> than AC's. I almost never use them at all when I play. A sort of silent
> protest, and it hurts my chances of winning but I don't care. The game
> is a joke and I'm not intersted in 'mastering' it.
> Can't say CC's worse than anything cause some of the character have unbeliveable damage
like Adon's jaguar knee, Sagat and Rose too! Some of the level 1 CC even take more
damage than a SC! Go through FB is part of the skill for a good SFA2er but I dont' mean
without this is not a good player
Pwinner
Jason Dean Malone
wing...@direct.ca (Peter Wong) wrote:
>In article <jchensor-020...@ts33-6.wla.ts.ucla.edu>, jche...@ucla.edu (J Chensor) wrote:
>>In article <31FF9C...@sonyinteractive.com>, AMcMahon
>><amcm...@sonyinteractive.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> > Someone tell me: How exactly do you CC through a fireball?
>>> > It seems to me that all CC's are vulnerable to Fireballs.
>>>
>>> You need at least a lvl2 CC to do it and you must time your CC
>>> right before the FB hits you. You have a split second of invulnerability
>>> when you start your CC.
>>
>> It depends on who you are. Guy can slip through fireballs at Level 1
>>if he does them clsoe enough, but only because he's so skinny and walks so
>>fast. Zangief can't go through fireballs at Level 3 at all (or can he
>>barely squeeze through Fierce ones?).
>>
>> But in general, you'll have the most success at Level 3.
>>
>>--
>Zangief can go throught a shot fireball at level 2, but this is very hard, it
>needs skill and practice.
Hard? Thats an understatement...."nearly impossible"
would be more appropriate.
Andrew Ryan Chang
In article <32047D...@ipoline.com>, Pwinner <w...@ipoline.com> wrote:
>Chris Finnie wrote:
>
>> right, but it's been around for ages, and I still think CC's are worse
>> than AC's. I almost never use them at all when I play. A sort of silent
> Can't say CC's worse than anything cause some of the character have
unbeliveable damage >like Adon's jaguar knee, Sagat and Rose too! Some of
I think what he meant was that the damage inflictable was *too*
high, given the amount of skill needed to pull off a big damage CC.
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