Combo videos and SF as a community
Viscant
cut and paste, I'm not even sure where I'm going to be jumping in and it's
probably not even an appropriate post. But there are some things that just
need to be said, and I'm going to say them.
Arlieth, Rafael and fellow idiots, you first have to admit that you're in the
wrong. There are some things you guys have to understand about this group and
the way things work.
AGSF2 has gone to hell and it's entirely the fault of the collective group of
morons such as Jinston and JBGainz. People like them simply did not exist back
when this group was worth reading (and when the games were worth playing).
Most of the people who are really worth listening and most of those in the
inner circle no longer even read this group because the collective intelligence
has dropped so much. AGSF2 is no longer really even considered a part of the
SF community. That's not to say that discussions have no meaning around here.
They do occasionally, but for the most part this game has gone to hell and the
meaningful opinions and arguments as pertain to gaming are not discussed here.
Somebody somewhere along this thread called this group "elitist." I agree
wholeheartedly, 100% there. This group is elitist. But that's not a bad
thing. I say this as someone who also is not in the inner circle, but it's not
important. This group is probably different from a lot of other groups.
This group isn't really a newsgroup at all. The SF community as a whole is not
a community based on talking and playing video games. This has been proven
time and again. The games are secondary. I think I really realized this back
at ECC4 at something known only as the "psi beatdown." I mean, this is a group
that's just a social gathering of friends. A group like any other social group
with a collective history and past. There are naturally always going to be
insiders and outsiders.
So this is something you have to understand before you get involved in
arguments with people here. You can also see how doing things like this can be
seen of as trying to elbow your way in, and trying to make yourself an insider.
You don't just walk up to a group of guys at a party and immediately expect to
be in on everything. That's just not how social situations work. And you're
going to have to understand that this is a social group more than anything
else.
As it pertains to the combo video situation, that was not meant for the general
public. The videos were uploaded no doubt so that those people who were
supposed to see them would have access to them. It's no big deal if you
weren't "invited." (Hell, I wasn't.) What I don't understand is why some
people always feel the need to include themselves in everything.
This is the view from my point mostly outside the circle. I think it's fairly
accurate, but anyone is free to comment on things as they stand.
--Viscant, The Icy Rose
"Baby thinking of you keeps me up all night."
James M
Well said. On a side note, whether or not SS has the legal right
is not the question. Legality and morality are two entirely
seperate things. It may be just as legal for you to postthe
videos as it is for skill smith, but think about it for a
minute. SS took their time to make these, and you will be able
to buy the tapes and support SS, making sure they continue to
produce the tapes. If SS doesn't want parts of the videos
distributed, we should respect that, because SS took the trouble
to make them. (Although I think posting clips would actually
help tapes sell, but that is just my opinion)
Think about this: it is perfectly legal for some idiot to
post "<insert racist bullshit here>" Does that mean we should
say "well, that's perfectly legal..." Of course not.
Legal can be slimy and insulting and lame. The bottom line here
is that SS made the tapes, and that's cool for us, so respect SS
wishes whether you agree with them or not, or else get some
skills and make your ownn video. How would you feel if you were
SS?
As for elitism...deal. Work your way up. A lot of the people
here, as Viscant (the drunken rose) pointed out, hang out in
real life or chat on #capcom about whatever. It is, in a way, a
good old boys network. But, you can get some respect if you
demonstrate some skill, or at least don't come off as an ill-
informed, whiny brat.
James M
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Arlieth Tralare
> AGSF2 has gone to hell and it's entirely the fault of the collective group of
> morons such as Jinston and JBGainz. People like them simply did not exist back
> when this group was worth reading (and when the games were worth playing).
> Most of the people who are really worth listening and most of those in the
> inner circle no longer even read this group because the collective intelligence
> has dropped so much. AGSF2 is no longer really even considered a part of the
> SF community. That's not to say that discussions have no meaning around here.
> They do occasionally, but for the most part this game has gone to hell and the
> meaningful opinions and arguments as pertain to gaming are not discussed here.
Betwixt the throw discussions and the clamors for a guard button, you're right,
there's not too much. I wonder how the SF3 parry thread went...
> Somebody somewhere along this thread called this group "elitist." I agree
> wholeheartedly, 100% there. This group is elitist. But that's not a bad
> thing. I say this as someone who also is not in the inner circle, but it's not
> important. This group is probably different from a lot of other groups.
This doesn't mean that when someone new puts up a _legitimate point_, that it gives
others the right to freely toss social grace out the window and dismiss them as a
scrub. I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the group
has no skill in SF games. (I also find it incredibly amusing when someone enters a
tournament and gets surprisingly far, much to the surprise of the tourney veterans.
Root for the underdog.)
> This group isn't really a newsgroup at all. The SF community as a whole is not
> a community based on talking and playing video games. This has been proven
> time and again. The games are secondary. I think I really realized this back
> at ECC4 at something known only as the "psi beatdown." I mean, this is a group
> that's just a social gathering of friends. A group like any other social group
> with a collective history and past. There are naturally always going to be
> insiders and outsiders.
That's cool with me.
> So this is something you have to understand before you get involved in
> arguments with people here. You can also see how doing things like this can be
> seen of as trying to elbow your way in, and trying to make yourself an insider.
> You don't just walk up to a group of guys at a party and immediately expect to
> be in on everything. That's just not how social situations work. And you're
> going to have to understand that this is a social group more than anything
> else.
When Maxstah/Kris made the first post here explaining the situation regarding the
movie clips, I was perfectly happy with that. What he said made perfect sense and
didn't have any sense of hostility whatsoever. It's only afterwards when someone
gloated about the whole matter (and their pride in being a compelte asshole) that
this whole mess occured. Way earlier in the thread, Raphael noted that he wouldn't
have made this such a big deal had someone possessed the good grace to make this
whole matter die quietly.
> As it pertains to the combo video situation, that was not meant for the general
> public. The videos were uploaded no doubt so that those people who were
> supposed to see them would have access to them. It's no big deal if you
> weren't "invited." (Hell, I wasn't.) What I don't understand is why some
> people always feel the need to include themselves in everything.
Like I said, I just wanted an explanation (although some others said they deserve
the stuff anyways). I got the link to the clips from a friend, who got it from
another friend, etc. I didn't know they weren't open for the general public, being
as there wasn't anything to indicate (and that was noted, so it's cool).
Shiranui Gen-An
"Arlieth Tralare" <arl...@west.net> wrote in message
news:3899E11D...@west.net...
> I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the
group
> has no skill in SF games.
I'm glad *someone* feels that way.
Chocobo
It only became a common assumption because it's almost always true. It's
especially true of the more outspoken people who claim to know a lot...
they usually prove their lack of knowledge before long anyway. If you
really are a good player, then some people have probably heard of you from
your participation in tournaments. (if you haven't played in tournaments,
then you're probably not a good player.) I suppose this isn't exactly fair
to do... there might be an expert player who hasn't played in tournaments,
and who doesn't know any of the other good players. But none (or almost
none) of those show up, while there are loudmouth BSing newbies all over
the place.
Chocobo
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:389CE304...@mindspring.com...
> About 2 months ago I came to this newsgroup, I have been playing
> streetfighter since 1990, and I'm a fairly advanced player (except vs
> series) but I have never played in a tournament. Actually I have only
> recently played at an arcade in the last couple of months because one opened
> near me! I live in southern Ontario Canada, so we dont get alot arcades
> where i live. My point is that damn right it isnt fair to label all newbies
> at agsf2 as skill less (even if as said above, it is true)
No offense, but you probably aren't as advanced as you think you are. The same
exact thing happened to me. I had player SF for years, I played the games all
the time and knew everything there was to know about every character, I could
literally beat most people with my eyes closed... there was no challenge
anywhere so I thought that I was probably one of the better players around. Then
I came on here as a newsgroup newbie, BSed, and soon discovered that I didn't
know a tenth as much about gameplay strategy as I thought I know. There's
nothing you can do about it... people always think they're good if no one can
beat them, it just doesn't make sense until it actually happens.
bluemace
Chocobo wrote:
>
> Shiranui Gen-An wrote:
>
> > "Arlieth Tralare" <arl...@west.net> wrote in message
> > news:3899E11D...@west.net...
> > > I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the
> > group
> > > has no skill in SF games.
> >
> > I'm glad *someone* feels that way.
>
> It only became a common assumption because it's almost always true. It's
> especially true of the more outspoken people who claim to know a lot...
> they usually prove their lack of knowledge before long anyway. If you
> really are a good player, then some people have probably heard of you from
> your participation in tournaments. (if you haven't played in tournaments,
> then you're probably not a good player.) I suppose this isn't exactly fair
> to do... there might be an expert player who hasn't played in tournaments,
> and who doesn't know any of the other good players. But none (or almost
> none) of those show up, while there are loudmouth BSing newbies all over
> the place.
Hmm.....well, I'm new to this newsgroup, but I don't say much. I post
every once in awhile, but I will admit that I'm more of Street Fighter 2
Turbo player and Marvel Vs. Capcom player than anything else, and I will
say that I don't know much about these games since I just play them for
fun. To judge someone not knowing anything or much on a person is
downright cold...and ya may be surprised one day when someone you never
heard of or seen before just comes and beats you at a game...I'm sure it
has happened to people lots of times....
~bluemace
Chocobo
Yeah, I guess it is, but it does usually work. The fact is, most of the top
players are already known, and you only get to the top levels by playing against
these really good players. So if you don't already play against these people
then the chances are pretty low that you're a real expert.
Ultima
>
> Chocobo wrote:
> >
> > Shiranui Gen-An wrote:
> >
> > > "Arlieth Tralare" <arl...@west.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3899E11D...@west.net...
> > > > I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the
> > > group
> > > > has no skill in SF games.
> > >
> > > I'm glad *someone* feels that way.
> >
> > It only became a common assumption because it's almost always true. It's especially true of the more outspoken people who claim to know a lot... they usually prove their lack of knowledge before long anyway. If you really are a good player, then some people have probably heard of you from your participation in tournaments. (if you haven't played in tournaments, then you're probably not a good player.) I suppose this isn't exactly fair to do... there might be an expert player who hasn't played in tournaments, and who doesn't know any of the other good players. But none (or almost none) of those show up, while there are loudmouth BSing newbies all over the place.
> Hmm.....well, I'm new to this newsgroup, but I don't say much. I post
> every once in awhile, but I will admit that I'm more of Street Fighter 2 Turbo player and Marvel Vs. Capcom player than anything else, and I will say that I don't know much about these games since I just play them for fun.
Huh? Since when do you play Turbo? You never told me... :p
> To judge someone not knowing anything or much on a person is
> downright cold...and ya may be surprised one day when someone you never heard of or seen before just comes and beats you at a game...I'm sure it has happened to people lots of times....
The attitude of "everyone new is a scrub until proven otherwise" is
based on probability: The likelyhood of someone new to this group who is
actually good, and who isn't known by any other well known players, is
SO low that it's not worth assuming otherwise. You, bluemace, aren't in
the same situation as, say, Arlieth, since I know you personally and I
can vouch for you (assuming anybody here takes me seriously, but that's
another story ;). Arlieth I know as well, though not personally and
can't really vouch for his skill level; I can just vouch that he's a
nice guy (sorry Arl ;). But nice guys don't necessarily get their due
here; all that matters is what you contribute (or don't contribute).
Now, there ARE good players out there who have never been to this
newsgroup. It's just that their chances of beating someone *good* who
does read the newsgroup (never mind it's current trashy state) is
unlikely. Note I said someone "*good*: If some nobody from Bumblefuck,
NC beat the shit out of JBGAinz (in whatever game), no one here would be
surprised (or care, for that matter).
--
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"How do you "perfect" gameplay? That's like saying music has
been "perfected" over thousands of years. Fun is a matter of
taste." - Jeff Williams 25/10/99
If an arcade doesn't have a version of SF or SS in it, then it's not an
arcade
Arlieth Tralare
Here's some news, I went to another tourney at Stanton Golfland with my friend (Joel Benefiel), I did okay (Lost once to a really good Elena, then to John Choi, beat a Q player and someone else using Ken... Yang doesn't cut it anymore =P) Anyhoo, my friend used Alex, managed to get to get to the semifinals... he beat some guy named Tom Nodaka (sp?) once, who placed 2nd in the previous tourney or something... lost once to the 'Texas Tosser' who used Akuma (who didn't throw that much, understandably =P but did scramble and turtle a bit, close match) then had to play Tom again, this time lost by a round. =P Of course, nobody expected him to get this far, and he heard
comments to Tom like, "You LOST? How could you lose to HIM?" for a while. =P
The guy that ran the tourney and myself pretty much cheered for anyone who didn't use ARK =P We also saw the girls playing Dance Dance Revolution when it was Ken vs. Ryu or somesuch. I should go back there again. ^^
There was also a small group of Makoto-fanboys who cheered me on when I used Makoto vs. Choi's Akuma... hehehe... goddamnit, I think I lost that game by a round, tried to counter a poke with the Abare Tosanami and whiffed. Goddamn that super. Honestly though, I think Choi is pretty good at 3rd Strike, but not spectacular (although Alpha 3 is a whole different story). Then again, I have the feeling that 3rd Strike has a lower skill-ceiling than Alpha 3, and mindgames go the rest of the way...
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>
> > "Arlieth Tralare" <arl...@west.net> wrote in message
> > news:3899E11D...@west.net...
> > > I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the
> > group
> > > has no skill in SF games.
> >
> > I'm glad *someone* feels that way.
>
> It only became a common assumption because it's almost always true. It's
> especially true of the more outspoken people who claim to know a lot...
> they usually prove their lack of knowledge before long anyway. If you
> really are a good player, then some people have probably heard of you from
> your participation in tournaments. (if you haven't played in tournaments,
> then you're probably not a good player.) I suppose this isn't exactly fair
> to do... there might be an expert player who hasn't played in tournaments,
> and who doesn't know any of the other good players. But none (or almost
> none) of those show up, while there are loudmouth BSing newbies all over
> the place.
>
bluemace
Ultima wrote:
>
> bluemace wrote:
> >
> > Chocobo wrote:
> > >
> > > Shiranui Gen-An wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Arlieth Tralare" <arl...@west.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3899E11D...@west.net...
> > > > > I also find it rather in poor taste to assume that someone new to the
> > > > group
> > > > > has no skill in SF games.
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad *someone* feels that way.
> > >
> > > It only became a common assumption because it's almost always true. It's especially true of the more outspoken people who claim to know a lot... they usually prove their lack of knowledge before long anyway. If you really are a good player, then some people have probably heard of you from your participation in tournaments. (if you haven't played in tournaments, then you're probably not a good player.) I suppose this isn't exactly fair to do... there might be an expert player who hasn't played in tournaments, and who doesn't know any of the other good players. But none (or almost none) of those show up, while there are loudmouth BSing newbies all over the place.
>
> > Hmm.....well, I'm new to this newsgroup, but I don't say much. I post
> > every once in awhile, but I will admit that I'm more of Street Fighter 2 Turbo player and Marvel Vs. Capcom player than anything else, and I will say that I don't know much about these games since I just play them for fun.
>
> Huh? Since when do you play Turbo? You never told me... :p
>
> > To judge someone not knowing anything or much on a person is
> > downright cold...and ya may be surprised one day when someone you never heard of or seen before just comes and beats you at a game...I'm sure it has happened to people lots of times....
>
> The attitude of "everyone new is a scrub until proven otherwise" is
> based on probability: The likelyhood of someone new to this group who is
> actually good, and who isn't known by any other well known players, is
> SO low that it's not worth assuming otherwise. You, bluemace, aren't in
> the same situation as, say, Arlieth, since I know you personally and I
> can vouch for you (assuming anybody here takes me seriously, but that's
> another story ;). Arlieth I know as well, though not personally and
> can't really vouch for his skill level; I can just vouch that he's a
> nice guy (sorry Arl ;). But nice guys don't necessarily get their due
> here; all that matters is what you contribute (or don't contribute).
> Now, there ARE good players out there who have never been to this
> newsgroup. It's just that their chances of beating someone *good* who
> does read the newsgroup (never mind it's current trashy state) is
> unlikely. Note I said someone "*good*: If some nobody from Bumblefuck,
> NC beat the shit out of JBGAinz (in whatever game), no one here would be
> surprised (or care, for that matter).
>
>
Next Friday, we'll play Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Its been about a week
since I played it, but I am curious to see if you are as good in SF 2
Turbo as you are in SF Alpha 3!! :O)
Hmm...so...if to be well known I have to beat someone good....does that
mean I should go home, go to ChinaTown, play against someone good,
hopefully beat him, and then have him a witness say that I beat him?
Just curious....and last time I was in Chinatown was awhile ago....when
I was cutting class....and I wonder if they still have that chicken that
still plays Tic Tac Toe....that chicken beat me last time...
~bluemace
Ultima
[OMNISLASH!]
> Next Friday, we'll play Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Its been about a week
> since I played it, but I am curious to see if you are as good in SF 2
> Turbo as you are in SF Alpha 3!! :O)
Better... ;) Who do you play with? BTW, this is regular Turbo (aka hyper
Fighting), right? Not Super Turbo?
> Hmm...so...if to be well known I have to beat someone good....does that mean I should go home, go to ChinaTown, play against someone good,
> hopefully beat him, and then have him a witness say that I beat him?
Well, I'm not saying you *should*, since the goal of getting recognition
on this newsgroup is incredibly lame, but it would help. ;p
It would have to be someone else who's both good (which there are planty
in Chinatown) and well-known though (of which there are fewer). For
example, if you go and say "I beat the white-boy with the messed-up acne
who's good with Ken in Second IMpact", that's not going to help you. On
the other hand, if you say "I mudhole-stomped Henry Cen's Urien with my
scrubby Oro", that might make more people take you seriously. ^_^ I'd
use Eddie Lee as a better example, but that would be impossible. No one
at RIT is in Eddie Lee's class... =\
But like I said, don't worry about getting recognition on this
newsgroup. It's not worth it (in fact, when IS it worth it to get
recognition on a newsgroup?).
> Just curious....and last time I was in Chinatown was awhile ago....when I was cutting class....and I wonder if they still have that chicken that still plays Tic Tac Toe....that chicken beat me last time...
Huh..? You're going to have to elaborate on that one...
--
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http://members.xoom.com/ShinUltima - U's Ultimate Rambling Page
"How do you "perfect" gameplay? That's like saying music has
bluemace
I'm not saying I'm gonna go to ChinaTown to see if I can beat someone,
but its been awhile since I've been to a real arcade, if you know what I
mean. Yes, I do mean SF Hyper Fighting, but I tend to refer to it as SF
Turbo. I usually play with Zangief and Vega...and yes....sometimes I
default to Ken. I am the guy who can't play any game that has "Super"
or "Alpha/Zero" or "Ex" tagged at the end of "Street Figher". I
remember them good old day.....trying to throw people who used to use
short kicks with Ryu and then throw me...although I was sometimes able
to throw them instead which caught me and my opponent by surprise! :O)
Nowadays, I struggle just trying to figure out how to exactly tech-hit
in SF Zero 3, but then again..I just bought it for the Saturn since it
is like a collector's item since its like the last game that will be
made for the system that is any good (I don't think that Final Fight
game will be good..if it ever comes out). As for the thing with the
chicken.....about 5 years ago I was at the China Town Fair arcade and
there was a booth that has a chicken in it. Supposedly, if you beat the
chicken in Tic Tac Toe, you get a bag of fortune cookies(if I recall
correctly). I wanted to see if the chicken really knew how to play Tic
Tac Toe...so I put in my money and I was like amazed to see it actually
peck at the proper spots!! It beat me...and it was humiliating to say
the least....
By the way, I don't think even "Lou" can handle Eddie Lee in Marvel Vs.
Capcom. I don't think Captain, MegaMan, and Lou would survive......
~bluemace
EC
>bluemace wrote:
>
>[OMNISLASH!]
>
>> Next Friday, we'll play Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Its been about a week
>> since I played it, but I am curious to see if you are as good in SF 2
>> Turbo as you are in SF Alpha 3!! :O)
>
>Better... ;) Who do you play with? BTW, this is regular Turbo (aka hyper
>Fighting), right? Not Super Turbo?
>
>> Hmm...so...if to be well known I have to beat someone good....does that mean I should go home, go to ChinaTown, play against someone good,
>> hopefully beat him, and then have him a witness say that I beat him?
>
>Well, I'm not saying you *should*, since the goal of getting recognition
>on this newsgroup is incredibly lame, but it would help. ;p
>
>It would have to be someone else who's both good (which there are planty
>in Chinatown) and well-known though (of which there are fewer). For
>example, if you go and say "I beat the white-boy with the messed-up acne
>who's good with Ken in Second IMpact", that's not going to help you. On
But as I recall, Ultima, that kid crushed you...'Course he couldn't
stand up to my scrubby corkscrew 2I dudley....
;)
>the other hand, if you say "I mudhole-stomped Henry Cen's Urien with my
>scrubby Oro", that might make more people take you seriously. ^_^ I'd
>use Eddie Lee as a better example, but that would be impossible. No one
>at RIT is in Eddie Lee's class... =\
>
>But like I said, don't worry about getting recognition on this
>newsgroup. It's not worth it (in fact, when IS it worth it to get
>recognition on a newsgroup?).
>
>> Just curious....and last time I was in Chinatown was awhile ago....when I was cutting class....and I wonder if they still have that chicken that still plays Tic Tac Toe....that chicken beat me last time...
>
>Huh..? You're going to have to elaborate on that one...
Chicken's been gone way before you ever went there, Ultima.
-E
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bluemace <rxo...@rit.edu> wrote:
>As for the thing with the
>chicken.....about 5 years ago I was at the China Town Fair
>arcade and there was a booth that has a chicken in it.
>Supposedly, if you beat the
>chicken in Tic Tac Toe, you get a bag of fortune cookies(if I
>recall
>correctly). I wanted to see if the chicken really knew how to
>play Tic
>Tac Toe...so I put in my money and I was like amazed to see it
>actually
>peck at the proper spots!! It beat me...and it was humiliating
>to say the least....
Since this is the most interesting thing I can find on this NG right
now, I'll make a "quick" post. Back in HS, I (like everyone else) had a
class that was so mindlessly boring that a buddy and I sat around with
nothing to do, and so we played tic-tac-toe to kill time. (You'll
excuse me if I didn't know all this in elementary school, it was
something I never really thought about, though admittedly it is quite
simple.) ASCII to follow.
If both players have the correct knowledge of the game, every game will
end in a draw (cat's eye? I forget the term). But first, I'll describe
the offensive patterns (turtling is bad, after all):
OFFENSE (you start first):
The "best" offensive patterns start with you starting in the corner,
IMO. I'll do my games with X first, O second, and number the moves.
X1| |
--------
| |
--------
| |
If X goes in the corner and O goes anywhere but the middle, X wins. For
example:
(if O goes adjacent middle)
X1|O1|
--------
|X2|
--------
X3| |O2
(if O goes non-adjacent middle)
X1| |
--------
|X2|
--------
X3|O1|O2
At either point X wins. Or....
(if O goes to either side corner)
X1| |X3
--------
|O2|
--------
O1| |X2
(if O goes opposite corner)
X1| |X3
--------
O2| |
--------
X2| |O1
So clearly, if your opponent goes corner, you go middle.
Now, assuming they know this, your next move should be:
X1| |
--------
|O1|
--------
| |X2
Never, ever go...
X1| |
--------
|O1|
--------
X2| |
...because this forces them to use the Alpha Counter of tic-tac-toe,
middle-side. This is the ultimate defensive strategy, as will be
explained later. This move forces a draw.
The following will also cause a draw, because all subsequent moves are
dictated:
X1| |
--------
X2|O1|
--------
| |
So don't do it if you're trying to win. (Against anyone that knows what
they are doing, you won't win anyway.)
Now, as I said, if they go side here, hang it up. That match is a draw.
But, if they go corner....
X1| |O2
--------
|O1|
--------
X3| |X2
...you win.
I generally don't recommend starting middle, but if you do, and they go
to side, kill them with this:
| |O2
--------
|X1|O1
--------
X2| |X3
Corner is what most people will go, because it's pretty easy to defend
with. However, there's one bootleg trick that you can use, which may
work on morons:
O1| |
--------
|X1|
--------
| |X2
This MAY confuse someone into going side, since it's highly unorthodox
(laugh). If they do, blast them....
(adjacent side)
O1| |
--------
O2|X1|
--------
X3| |X2
(non-adjacent side)
O1| |X3
--------
|X1|
--------
|O2|X2
Never start side. All side options really suck, and it's almost
impossible to set up a winning state.
DEFENSE (you start second):
First off, you can never win a game on defense. If you win a game on
defense then you need to stop playing against fungi. The point on
defense is not to lose.
Now, if your opponent goes middle, you go corner, from there it should
be pretty straightforward. Just go where you are forced to. If they
pull the above mentioned trick, just go to either corner, and the rest
of the match is easy....
O1|X3|O2
--------
|X1|
--------
|O4|X2
...yawn. If you lose a game after this point, take up jacks or
something less mentally straining.
If your opponent knows something about tic-tac-toe, and goes corner, you
must go middle or you lose. If they go to two opposite corners, you
must go to a side:
X1| |
--------
O2|O1|
--------
| |X2
At this point the rest of the match is forced.
If your opponent goes corner-adjacent side, that match is forced draw.
If they go corner non-adjacent side, do this:
X1|O3|X3
--------
|O1|
--------
O2|X2|
And the rest of the match should follow easily. BTW, when you are
playing defense, a good goal to set is to get this following pattern on
the "board":
**| |**
--------
| |
--------
|**|
** = a mark of the same type. If you achieve that, the game is
basically guaranteed draw.
Overall, tic-tac-toe is just about as interesting as the Alphas.
--
"If all the human race is worthy of being obliterated then that
shows that God is very kind in letting some live when they don't
deserve it." - Sam Lopez, on Noah's Great Flood
Dan Thompson
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Scott Powell
THINGS ARE GOING I'M SURE THEY WILL BE. MY POINT IS, ENOUGH ALREADY
I AGREE WITH YOU VISCANT.
DOC
Viscant wrote:
>
> Alright. I've had just about enough of this stupid thread. I'm not going to
> cut and paste, I'm not even sure where I'm going to be jumping in and it's
> probably not even an appropriate post. But there are some things that just
> need to be said, and I'm going to say them.
>
> Arlieth, Rafael and fellow idiots, you first have to admit that you're in the
> wrong. There are some things you guys have to understand about this group and
> the way things work.
>
> AGSF2 has gone to hell and it's entirely the fault of the collective group of
> morons such as Jinston and JBGainz. People like them simply did not exist back
> when this group was worth reading (and when the games were worth playing).
> Most of the people who are really worth listening and most of those in the
> inner circle no longer even read this group because the collective intelligence
> has dropped so much. AGSF2 is no longer really even considered a part of the
> SF community. That's not to say that discussions have no meaning around here.
> They do occasionally, but for the most part this game has gone to hell and the
> meaningful opinions and arguments as pertain to gaming are not discussed here.
>
> Somebody somewhere along this thread called this group "elitist." I agree
> wholeheartedly, 100% there. This group is elitist. But that's not a bad
> thing. I say this as someone who also is not in the inner circle, but it's not
> important. This group is probably different from a lot of other groups.
>
> This group isn't really a newsgroup at all. The SF community as a whole is not
> a community based on talking and playing video games. This has been proven
> time and again. The games are secondary. I think I really realized this back
> at ECC4 at something known only as the "psi beatdown." I mean, this is a group
> that's just a social gathering of friends. A group like any other social group
> with a collective history and past. There are naturally always going to be
> insiders and outsiders.
>
> So this is something you have to understand before you get involved in
> arguments with people here. You can also see how doing things like this can be
> seen of as trying to elbow your way in, and trying to make yourself an insider.
> You don't just walk up to a group of guys at a party and immediately expect to
> be in on everything. That's just not how social situations work. And you're
> going to have to understand that this is a social group more than anything
> else.
>
> As it pertains to the combo video situation, that was not meant for the general
> public. The videos were uploaded no doubt so that those people who were
> supposed to see them would have access to them. It's no big deal if you
> weren't "invited." (Hell, I wasn't.) What I don't understand is why some
> people always feel the need to include themselves in everything.
>