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Well, Jinston, i'm glad i don't have your pompous ass censoring the newsgroups.
Who are you to judge what others post?
Broken English? who gives a rats ass. He's not an educated man? who knows? I
don't, and neither do you.
-Rob
Yes. I think that the rest of us are well past starting to be annoyed.
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LazyJae wrote:
> Ok PPL I will chill out. But can I ask a ?
> Can I not post what I belive?
Sure, go ahead. Belief is nice. Truth is nicer. I can believe all I want that I'm
a cute little Furby, with gray fur and a white tuft of hair above my head, but
that doesn't change the fact that I'm still the same asian girl I always was. I
can post that I believe I'm a furby, and will be laughed off the newsgroup as a
troll, or at least an idiot.
> Juz Becoz me and most of ya don't agree about certain things that makes me a
> scrub and an Idiot. So I should come here and be a dumb ass and follow what ya
No, it doesn't make you an idiot. What makes you an idiot is the fact that you
don't respond with any real evidence to back up your claims (you just keep telling
us how 'good' you are), and, despite all the evidence presented to you (from game
experience, etc.), you still refuse to acknowledge any of our points as valid.
> say and not have my own opinion. [Negative] Ok ya don't like parries and I
> don't like juggles but they are in the game and I have to put up with them. I
> play around them. I did'nt know I was gonna tic off so many PPL. Sorry 'bout
> that. Ok
*sigh*... I'm off to find some replacement batteries.
Who's judging? I'm stating my opinion. And if I was running this NG, I'd
never censor anyone. Personally I hate censorship! I merely am suggesting
people to save their time being stolen by this idiot by filtering his
nonsense out. If they don't want to, they don't have to. It's a SUGGESTION
not an ORDER. As for pompous ass, I don't know where that's coming from?
I've haven't said anything that suggests my level of worth in the world is
higher than his, just that his postings are worthless. Which as you can
see, many agree with. Seems like you're similar to LazyJae in that you
don't check the history. You just jump in w/o any prior knowledge of what's
going on. I think if you'd read his previous posts, you'd probably agree
with me.
>
>Broken English? who gives a rats ass. He's not an educated man? who knows?
I
>don't, and neither do you.
Anyone who's passed the 4th grade should have a good base of English.
Unless he's from a non-English speaking country. Then I forgive him, but
his postings are very hard to read and make sense of because of his broken
English, so it is an annoyance.
>
>-Rob
LazyJae wrote:
> What FACTS do U PPL have?
fact: parries are easy. fact: you can parry into a huge high damage combo. fact:
attacking is punished in 2i because you get parried and eat a big combo. fact: 2i
has a lot of problems so many people think it sucks.
>
> That is experiences U PPL have. I have Played alot of Good Sf32I matches that
> is why I like the game and I could care less about parries.
You're probably playing against scrubs, and you're not getting killed for attacking
because of parries, so you don't realize how much they screw up the game... that's
just what I've gathered from your posts, I could be wrong.
> U PPL have issues. Did I say ya was scrubs? No right.
Um, yes you did.
<"dick-riders" and other useful info snipped>
LOOK at what you wrote here. See? You think that everyone who doesn't agree with
you is a scrub.
> Parries Suck
> Alpha COunters Suck. Go to hell with that. It sucks coz U can't do it and U go
> to your local arcade and get your ass wooped by a Person who can parry that is
> the problem. And don't deny it becoz if there is something U R using and your
> winning with it you won't complain.
Now READ what I'm writing now... you haven't understood this yet in ALL the time
this thread has been going on. PEOPLE DON'T HATE PARRIES BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO
DIFFICULT TO USE. Do you get that now? Read it again. PEOPLE DON'T HATE PARRIES
BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO DIFFICULT TO USE. Now keep that in mind as you read this next
sentence, ok? The reason why people do hate parries, it's because they're very easy
to do, have a low risk (a missed parry often results in nothing happening, or maybe
getting hit with a fierce), and have a high reward (a successful parry often
results in a combo, usually a large, high damage combo). I hope that sentence
wasn't too complicated for you. Now if you're going to go on about how you think
parries are great, at least understand the argument that the rest of us are saying.
You're a very sad person. For one, u use AOL. I feel for you there. lol.
Another. U use homosexual insults like "dick rider". I find this totally
ignorant and infuriating. I know gay people and I don't like people calling
others homosexual as an insult. Being gay is not a bad thing. And you're
STILL totally wrong on parries. You HAVE NOT seen good SF3:2I matches. If
you did, you'd know they are BORING AS HELL! Example of a good SF3:2I
match. 2 parry masters standing right next to each other waiting to parry
the other's move. One of them will pretend to tap a button and fake the guy
out. and try to get an attack in. This'll go the whole 99 seconds.
Hopefully one guy will get 1 combo in or a blocked special and the round
will be won by a time over.
Atsuko \ Nuku" Natsume > wrote in message <36D31B5B...@yahoo.com>...
>
>
>LazyJae wrote:
>
>> Ok PPL I will chill out. But can I ask a ?
>> Can I not post what I belive?
Well ... when what you believe is blatantly wrong and then try to shove it
down people's throats ... naturally people are going to get annoyed. Most of
the stuff your arguing aren't really opinions (where there's no right or
wrong answer), they're facts. And you're facts are um, wrong. Sorry.
Anyway, if I was you, I'd stop whatever you've been doing, or you're going
to wind up up with *no* credibility whatsoever. Just a bit of advice ...
>
>Sure, go ahead. Belief is nice. Truth is nicer. I can believe all I want
that I'm
>a cute little Furby, with gray fur and a white tuft of hair above my head,
but
>that doesn't change the fact that I'm still the same asian girl I always
was.
Hey, for all we know, you *could* be a cute little furby ... one that has
been trained to post on a.g.sf2. =))
<snip true stuff that whatsername posted>
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LazyJae, I have not responded to any of your posts yet. But now I must. Let me
say this: I don't care if you disagree or have your own opinion. But when u say
the F-word 30 times in one post, and then call EVERYBODY, and I quote,
"dick-riders"........well, that's where i draw the line. I wonder how long
you'll still have your AOL account???
> Well, Jinston, i'm glad i don't have your pompous ass censoring the
newsgroups.
> Who are you to judge what others post?
>
> Broken English? who gives a rats ass. He's not an educated man? who knows? I
> don't, and neither do you.
>
> -Rob
>
Hey Rob good point. But U will probably get flamed becoz in this NG U can not
post what U feel or think is right. U have to be a dick rider to get a little
respect here.
Can I know?
Shady Prodigy!
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LazyJae wrote:
> What FACTS do U PPL have?
Let me say again what people have been saying all along... please read the posts
people have been responding with. You will find detailed examples. You can even try
out the scenarios we mentioned! Wow, what a concept!
> That is experiences U PPL have. I have Played alot of Good Sf32I matches that
> is why I like the game and I could care less about parries.
You like the game, and that's fine. Nobody told you that you shouldn't. However,
you also said that it was a really good game, and that's where people had to stop
and tell you what's up.
>
> ANd this it to that FURBY!
*whuzzle*buzzle*bzzzzt*
> U PPL have issues. Did I say ya was scrubs? No right. Ok then. And I will voice
Excuse me? Did I hear you correctly? Didn't you already say 75% of this NG is full
of scrubs? I have that e-mail you sent me (another copy was also posted to the
group) where you did, I can forward it back to you if you like.
> my opinion wether U like it or not. I don't care. Why do I have to follow your
> rules. Who the FUCK are U? huh? can I know. Ok so wether U like what I post or
This is news to me... When did I post any rules? I never said anything like that.
Hey, anyone out there, check DejaNews for my previous posts... did I *ever* post
anything about rules? Ok, maybe that one thing about grammar... -_-
> not I will continue and What! You PPL are pure dick riders Juz becoz I have my
You want to know who I am? I'm a UC Berkeley Sophomore. I'm an Electrical
Engineering and Computer Science major. I'm a scrub (yes, you heard me. I am a
scrub, I don't know how to play the game that well). I like SF. I know some of the
games have abuseable features, like parrying, V-ism, Dhalsim, etc...but I also know
when to see these features as abuseable.
> own I am opinion I am dumb and foolish right? So I should agree with everything
> U say and then I will be a normal person right. NEGATIVE. This NG has declined
Did you read my post? Please, please, PLEASE quote me! Quote me calling you dumb
and foolish for having an opinion! Here, let me quote MYSELF from my previous
message...
Here it is:
<begin>
> Juz Becoz me and most of ya don't agree about certain things that makes me a
> scrub and an Idiot. So I should come here and be a dumb ass and follow what ya
No, it doesn't make you an idiot. What makes you an idiot is the fact that you
don't respond with any real evidence to back up your claims (you just keep telling
us how 'good' you are), and, despite all the evidence presented to you (from game
experience, etc.), you still refuse to acknowledge any of our points as valid.
<end>
Did I call you an idiot? Most definitely! Did I say it was because you have an
opinion? No, absolutely not!
> tremendously from back in the days. And ya PPL really need help. Parries Suck
> Alpha COunters Suck. Go to hell with that. It sucks coz U can't do it and U go
> to your local arcade and get your ass wooped by a Person who can parry that is
> the problem. And don't deny it becoz if there is something U R using and your
> winning with it you won't complain.
That's just it... you don't seem to understand... I am complaining about the
feature because I *AM* winning with it. If I parry everything you throw at me, and
I jab you once, I will win. But I will not consider it fun, because this one simple
act of tapping the joystick towards my opponent or down when he attacks is making
this game just the same pattern over and over. That is not fun. It just makes
high-level (that means games with players who are very skilled) competition boring,
since both players will parry each other until the cows come home. Maybe you don't
understand. Let me tell you a story.
Once upon a time, there was a girl named Jen. She was a peculiar girl, since she
liked playing video games, and most girls didn't do that sort of thing. She liked
playing a game called X-men vs. Street Fighter. One day, she played around with a
character called Sabertooth, and learned that she could do a really really easy
combo*, and do it over and over again, and would defeat most of her competition.
She played for a while, and kept winning. Eventually, she got bored of playing with
Sabertooth and doing the same combo over and over again. Finally, she realized that
X-men vs. Street Fighter was a lousy game, because some characters like Sabertooth
were ridiculously stupid and easy to win with. She then complained about the game
to her friends.
Now, the question is... if she was winning, why did she complain? My goodness!
According to your logic, there is none! (If you forgot what your logic was, please
look at your old post, or scroll up. I quoted you.)
Here's the reason Jen complained about the game. It was unbalanced, and, since she
could do the easy combo over and over and win, she didn't like it that much since
it was just doing the same combo over and over, and that rapidly became dull. So
the game wasn't that much fun for her.
(Ok, here comes the explaination. This explaination is presented in
ELEMENTARY-VISION! It is geared towards elementary-school kids and people who are
of the mental level of elementary school kids. Very simple explaination indeed!)
Here's a simple thing called an analogy. It means that if two things are similar in
relationship, they can be applied to each other. An example would be Mammal :: Dog,
Plant :: Daisy. You see? A Dog is a kind of Mammal. A Daisy is a kind of Plant. Now
follow carefully...
Overpowered Characters in X-men vs. Street Fighter :: abuseable feature in a
fighting game
Parrying in SF3/2i :: abuseable feature in a fighting game
They are similar. Overpowered characters make the game un-fun, since these
characters make the game boring to play. Parries make the game un-fun, since
parries make the game boring to play. They may have different reasonings behind
them, but the analogy is the same. I hope you understand.
*: easy combo: j.Fierce, j.RH, c.short, c.Fierce, sj.jab, sj.short, sj.strong,
sj.forward XX strong Air Throw, land, Super Berserker Claw... 80%, I think.
Everybody knows this, all the ScrubberTooth players at the Underground know (and
use) this combo...bleah, what a pain.
I understand that, all i'm suggesting is that i have read alot of his posts,
and yes he asks alot of questions, and some of his stuff isn't exactly college
material, but jeez give the kid a break, let him talk how much he wants in any
way he wants (not saying you decide who does and does not talk, but if you
don't like his posts, don't read them(
> I merely am suggesting
>people to save their time being stolen by this idiot by filtering his
>nonsense out. If they don't want to, they don't have to. It's a SUGGESTION
>not an ORDER
I realize that, you can't stop me from posting anything any more than i could
you, all i'm saying is, is that kids and adults of all ages use these
newsgroups, kids ask alot of questions. (not saying he's a kid, just using an
example) We're talking about 2 different attention spans, intellects and
maturity here, but I don't think it's right to criticize what you call garbage
and he calls posting, that's all.
>As for pompous ass, I don't know where that's coming from?
>I've haven't said anything that suggests my level of worth in the world is
>higher than his, just that his postings are worthless
You make him sound intelligently and grammatically below you, just because he
types with this (for lack of a better phrase) computer slang. And other typos
and mistake he makes.
>Which as you can
>see, many agree with. Seems like you're similar to LazyJae in that you
>don't check the history. You just jump in w/o any prior knowledge of what's
>going on.
No, not necessarily, i've been reading these newsgroups for around thee years
now , i've read his posts, and i've read your argument, just don't agree with
everyone picking on somebody, regadless of how he acts.
>his postings are very hard to read and make sense of because of his broken
>English, so it is an annoyance.
Sometimes i can't argue with that, i hate whe people use Ne (as in NEone) that
to be is nonsense, but i tolerate it, i don't rip people for using it.
-Rob
Just go away. You're obviously not listening.
> That is experiences U PPL have.
Duh! Experience is what LEADS to facts? Hello, McFly!!
> I have Played alot of Good Sf32I matches that
> is why I like the game and I could care less about parries.
No, you haven't. You haven't played JACK. You've played nothing but
scrubs...and it shows. Go to a tourney. I wanna hear about how badly you get
destroyed.
> U PPL have issues. Did I say ya was scrubs?
Yes, you did. You were dead wrong on that, too.
> And I will voice my opinion wether U like it or not. I don't care. Why do I
> have to follow your rules.
You STILL don't get it.
Your opinion is not what we have an issue with. It's your foolish refusal of
all of the evidence we've brought to contradict what you're trying to sell to
us as fact. Plus, you can't (yes, I said YOU CAN'T) counter it with anything
but these crappy posts of yours. Why don't you try quoting the post that
you're responding to (there IS an option in your newsreader for that...FIND
IT) and then go through our posts point by point and respond to each point,
giving EVIDENCE that contradicts our evidence.
Right now, you've given absolutely NOTHING that contradicts what we're saying.
NOTHING. Your arcade experiences are nothing compared to being in a
tournament. NOTHING. There is NOTHING like being in a tournament. Try it.
You'll see that when you watch and play against the BEST players, you find out
EXACTLY what a game plays like at higher levels of skill.
See, that's the thing that leaves you at a disadvantage. We HAVE the
experience. We've SEEN the game played at its highest levels of skill. You
THINK you have, but we've already seen what you've seen and know that the
level of play that you're describing isn't even close to top level play.
If you want to be wise, try trusting those that have more experience than you.
If you don't, you'll have to learn the hard way and go to a tourney and get
destroyed.
Who the FUCK are U? huh? can I know. Ok so wether U like what I post or
> not I will continue and What! You PPL are pure dick riders Juz becoz I have my
> own I am opinion I am dumb and foolish right?
Ah..so you and IceiKlez ARE the same person! I thought so.
> So I should agree with everything
> U say and then I will be a normal person right.
No, you should agree with the FACTS. If fact is staring you in the face and
you deny it, that makes you a fool. Only fools deny the truth.
> This NG has declined tremendously from back in the days.
And you would know this how?
> And ya PPL really need help. Parries Suck Alpha COunters Suck. Go to hell
with that. It sucks coz U can't do it and U go
> to your local arcade and get your ass wooped by a Person who can parry that is
> the problem.
You're projecting. You would only complain about something because you can't
do it. We've said time and time again EXACTLY what's wrong with parries...but
I guess your brain can't comprehend what risk/reward ratio is. Pity.
> And don't deny it becoz if there is something U R using and your
> winning with it you won't complain.
This is exactly why we know you're a scrub. A truly skilled player recognizes
when they're earning their wins and when they're being given their wins. You
obviously aren't good enough to know the difference.
C'mon man! Haven't I told you that I played Ken a lot in SF3:NG and I know
that he's overpowered? Get a clue! Haven't I already said that the reason
why this is true is because he gets 2 Shinryukens, which each do 50% damage
and that that fact coupled with his deadly Hurricane Kick trap makes him
EXTREMELY over-powered offensively? Duh! Think about it. Why would I
complain about something that gives me easy wins? Hmmm....could it be
because I prefer to EARN my wins? Hmmmmmmm.....
This is sad that I have to spell things out to you like you're eight years
old.
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
Umm...actually...you don't. How do I know? Look at me. I'm respected
because I post FACTS and because I don't let silly people upset me. I'm not
bragging, I'm posting facts...which is what I do.
You get respect not only when you post facts, but when you are also humble
enough to recognize when the facts are against you. I can do both, therefore,
I'm respected.
Check it out. Check it out...it's logic in action, again.
If calling people 'Niggaz' and 'Dick Riderz" is evidence of intelligence,
then label me stupid.
People aren't blasting _him_, they are blasting the way he represents
himself. If he dropped the insults and discussed things logically, people
would stop hounding him. It ain't personal.
Can I know?
Shady Prodigy!
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Um......you are LazyJae dude. How could you do a combo on yourself? You gave it
away when you just said "U ppl".....and the only person that types like that
here is LazyJae. When you're trying to back yourself up, try to get somebody
else to do it, instead of trying to fool us, okay? We ain't dat stupids like u
yo.
I don't have the facts, but others probably do.
>ANd this it to that FURBY!
>
>U PPL have issues. Did I say ya was scrubs? No right. Ok then.
But I think you did in that one post, "alt.games.sft PPL have issues
-->LONG!" or whatever it was.
And I will
>voice
>my opinion wether U like it or not. I don't care.
Now, that's okay, you can voice your opinion.
Why do I have to follow
>your
>rules. Who the FUCK are U? huh? can I know. Ok so wether U like what I post
>or
>not I will continue and What! You PPL are pure dick riders Juz becoz I have
>my
>own I am opinion I am dumb and foolish right? So I should agree with
>everything
>U say and then I will be a normal person right. NEGATIVE.
I say my own opinion, I get some respect, people don't flame me. It must be
your "slang" or something. But still, that wouldn't be fair. It would
be...prejudice, maybe?
This NG has
>declined
>tremendously from back in the days. And ya PPL really need help. Parries Suck
>Alpha COunters Suck. Go to hell with that. It sucks coz U can't do it and U
>go
>to your local arcade and get your ass wooped by a Person who can parry that
>is
>the problem.
But didn't many people say they hate parries because they're too easy to pull
off? And the usage of them would make matches too easy too win. No competition,
as some would say. Alpha counters are easy to pull off, and ACs suck because
they hardly do damage, take a super bar, and leave you vulnerable if you miss
or your opponent blocks.
And don't deny it becoz if there is something U R using and your
>winning with it you won't complain.
People probably complain because it makes it too easy for them to win. They
probably want some COMPETITION.
You're doing better than most scrubs I've seen.
> Once upon a time, there was a girl named Jen. She was a peculiar girl, since
she
> liked playing video games, and most girls didn't do that sort of thing. She
liked
> playing a game called X-men vs. Street Fighter. One day, she played around
with a
> character called Sabertooth, and learned that she could do a really really
easy
> combo*, and do it over and over again, and would defeat most of her
competition.
> She played for a while, and kept winning. Eventually, she got bored of playing
with
> Sabertooth and doing the same combo over and over again. Finally, she realized
that
> X-men vs. Street Fighter was a lousy game, because some characters like
Sabertooth
> were ridiculously stupid and easy to win with. She then complained about the
game
> to her friends.
Gee...I think I experienced that. Dang...Sabretooth was the first character
I played when I played XSF. I mastered him in....what...one day?! Wow.
> Now, the question is... if she was winning, why did she complain? My goodness!
> According to your logic, there is none! (If you forgot what your logic was,
please
> look at your old post, or scroll up. I quoted you.)
Keep breaking it down, girl.
> Here's the reason Jen complained about the game. It was unbalanced, and, since
she
> could do the easy combo over and over and win, she didn't like it that much
since
> it was just doing the same combo over and over, and that rapidly became dull.
So
> the game wasn't that much fun for her.
Yup...keep going.
> (Ok, here comes the explaination. This explaination is presented in
> ELEMENTARY-VISION! It is geared towards elementary-school kids and people who
are
> of the mental level of elementary school kids. Very simple explaination
indeed!)
>
> Here's a simple thing called an analogy. It means that if two things are
similar in
> relationship, they can be applied to each other. An example would be Mammal ::
Dog,
> Plant :: Daisy. You see? A Dog is a kind of Mammal. A Daisy is a kind of
Plant.
Makes you wonder....has he taken the SAT, yet? Or even the PSAT? Hmm...
Now
> follow carefully...
>
> Overpowered Characters in X-men vs. Street Fighter :: abuseable feature in a
> fighting game
> Parrying in SF3/2i :: abuseable feature in a fighting game
>
> They are similar. Overpowered characters make the game un-fun, since these
> characters make the game boring to play. Parries make the game un-fun, since
> parries make the game boring to play. They may have different reasonings
behind
> them, but the analogy is the same. I hope you understand.
>
> *: easy combo: j.Fierce, j.RH, c.short, c.Fierce, sj.jab, sj.short, sj.strong,
> sj.forward XX strong Air Throw, land, Super Berserker Claw... 80%, I think.
> Everybody knows this, all the ScrubberTooth players at the Underground know
(and
> use) this combo...bleah, what a pain.
You should know, however, that you can counter-throw the air throw...'cause
you can't really combo it, but then it really becomes a choice of s.j.
jab-short-strong-forward-fierce-roundhouse or stopping at forward and then
following with the air throw. Wow....so many options. The only other combo
of worth that he has, which is his only guaranteed super combo is j.
fierce-roundhouse, c. short-s. roundhouse XX Berserker Claw X.
But, dang.....you broke it down. I'm almost teary-eyed again. :)
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
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You just displayed a "fallacy of thinking". Dang...what's it called?
Anyway, it's not the number of hits that matters...it's the DAMAGE. Anyone
that's really putting thought into this discussion knows that. Look, it boils
down to this.....pay attention.
LazyJae parries (taking NO risk for missing) and you eat a 20+ hit combo (he
gets rewarded for taking a very small risk).
Now, can you honestly say that you would've made him eat a big combo instead
if he missed the parry? NO! Why? Because there is NO MISS ANIMATION! You
can't tell when he misses a parry.
> I could
> care less can U ppl drop the Subject now?
Running from the argument again? You just can't prove your point logically.
You have nothing to stand on.
BTW, no...we're not stupid. You and LazyJae are one and the same.
Ain't it funny how people think that no one is smarter than them? There's
stupidity for you.
"Onaje Everett (FreshOJ)" wrote:
> You should know, however, that you can counter-throw the air throw...'cause
> you can't really combo it, but then it really becomes a choice of s.j.
> jab-short-strong-forward-fierce-roundhouse or stopping at forward and then
> following with the air throw. Wow....so many options. The only other combo
> of worth that he has, which is his only guaranteed super combo is j.
> fierce-roundhouse, c. short-s. roundhouse XX Berserker Claw X.
>
> But, dang.....you broke it down. I'm almost teary-eyed again. :)
I knew you could counter the air throw, but not all air throw ranges are the same...
s'why my Gambit got shredded, since his air throw range doesn't seem to be greater
than Sabe's... Charlie, on the other hand, can counter-throw pretty easily. I guess
it depends on the person you play against.
JB GAINZ
You know, you really bug me too.
*near plunk*
RICARDO
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