What is the Big Deal with Parrys?
Jinston
>I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
>parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that
is
>a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
>
>As for the Parry leading to a big damaging combo. It depends on what
machine U
>play on. Becoz I was playin 2I and a Ibuki player parryed me and did a 19
hit
>combo and he barely took off energy. And it happened to me when I played
>against Yun and Yang. The same thing happened against Dudley and that
partners
>was a different story. He drained the shit out of me. And I won all 4
matches.
>
>If you have a story to share let me know.
>
>JaE:mx-SFX-http://maximum.gamespage.com
I don't think you thought before posting because you pretty much aren't
making any sense. The situation you described had nothing to do with what
machine you were using, just the characters. Also because of the parry,
most of the round you just stand there in front of each other waiting to
parry the other's move. It gets very monotonous. As for a parry always
leading to big damage, it depends on the move that's been parried.
Jinston
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LazyJae
WhoaMoses
Sure, I have a story. It's called "the most boring game in the world." You
know, the game where the entire fight consists of parry after parry after
parry......well you catch my drift. If you know how to parry well, the game
just isn't fun anymore. It's just damned frustrating. I can remember the last
time I played 2i: my friend and I, who are both great at parrying, were in
heated competition. We actually went the ENTIRE round parrying everything we
could throw at each other, until at the very last second he hit me with a
surprise jab. I lost. And I never played that stupid game again.
Onaje Everett
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
> parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that is
> a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
Do you always look at things with such superficiality? I'm serious here.
> As for the Parry leading to a big damaging combo. It depends on what machine U
> play on. Becoz I was playin 2I and a Ibuki player parryed me and did a 19 hit
> combo and he barely took off energy.
Duuuuuh! He didn't use the right combo!!!! You don't have to be a brain
surgeon to figure that out. C'mon now.
> And it happened to me when I played
> against Yun and Yang. The same thing happened against Dudley and that partners
> was a different story. He drained the shit out of me. And I won all 4 matches.
Do you want to know why you actually think parries are fair in SF3? You
haven't seen or played the game to its potential.
There have already been TONS upon TONS of examples where option selecting
totally ruins SF3 and plenty of examples in which parrying totally ruins
SF3:2I. Do some research for yourself on DejaNews. Read about some
tournaments. Read Alex Valle vs. Eddie Lee or something. There are tons of
posts in the archive explaining in detail exactly why parries in SF3 and
SF3:2I SUCK the way they are.
If they were changed to what I suggested, and/or used up guard meter (if they
put one in SF3:3S), then they'd probably be balanced.
Better yet....think about it. If you attempt a parry and there's no attack,
nothing happens. If you attempt to parry low and the opponent attacks with a
mid attack, you MAYBE eat a combo (but there are very few interruptable
attacks that hit mid from further than close range) but most of the time you
just eat one attack (unless it was a super-cancellable move, which wouldn't
be smart to use as a poke anyway because if it gets blocked you get supered
anyway). If you successfully parry an attack....you get a free combo into a
super. With Ibuki, this means 50% damage on a normally set machine.
Now....if you have to change the damage settings just to reduce the abuse you
take from a big combo, doesn't that say something right there?
Again.......all it takes is step-by-step analysis.
Bottom line: ('cause aren't you glad I'M the one planning to be a game
designer?)
Onaje Everett
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Milo D. Cooper
>
> I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
> parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that is
> a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
What fine logic! Because everyone can do it, that makes it impervious
to any argument against it!
Akuma and Dhalsim destroy virtually everyone in Alpha Three -- but
anyone can select either of these characters! Problem solved!
The act of smoking is harmful to everyone in proximity to the smoker --
wait, everyone can smoke! Therefore, smoking is not abusive!
There's a bastard in the movie theatre with a laser pointer -- but then,
anyone can use a laser pointer in a theatre! It's all good!
F*cking a.g.sf2!
Everyone's stupid!
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Atsuko "Nuku" Natsume
while waiting to parry, can't you just walk up and chuck the guy over your
shoulder a few times while he's waiting for that attack? You can't parry throws
(or throw attempts), last I checked, can you?
dpan...@kentlaw.edu
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
> parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that is
> a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
The thing that I find most traumatizing is your abuse of the English language.
> As for the Parry leading to a big damaging combo. It depends on what machine U
> play on. Becoz I was playin 2I and a Ibuki player parryed me and did a 19 hit
> combo and he barely took off energy. And it happened to me when I played
> against Yun and Yang. The same thing happened against Dudley and that partners
> was a different story. He drained the shit out of me. And I won all 4 matches.
Obviously, you never played in a parry fest. Plus, I find your Ibuki story
massively unconvincing. If anything, the 19 hitter should've taken off a lot,
if not put you into dizzy or very close to it. Besides, you should be lucky
that you didn't eat 20+ hits (usually the 26 hitter).
Here's a story: my scrub Ryu vs. Hugo. After about 20 secs of sheer beat
down (on both sides), I made the mistake of j.rh, hoping that he wouldn't
block. He didn't, he parried. I then ate 4 c.jabs, then that rushing super,
then dizzy, then got thrown into the corner while I got juggled off the wall
by repeated s.fierces, then he let me fall (or the cpu was kind enough to let
me fall), I tried to jump out of the corner (since Hugo kills in the corner),
but I got caught in the air and was 360'd (or whatever the hell that move is)
then I died. In any other series, I would've taken a hit, and probably had a
good chance to sac-throw. Parries don't let you sac-throw. Trying to throw
of a parried hit is suicidal, not to mention stupid. Parries also kill the
spacing game.
I made 1 mistake, and it was a well calculated move, too.
Dale
Onaje Everett
"Milo D. Cooper" <mi...@milos-chalkboard.net> wrote:
> > LazyJae wrote:
> >
> > I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
> > parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that
is
> > a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
>
> to any argument against it!
> Akuma and Dhalsim destroy virtually everyone in Alpha Three -- but
> anyone can select either of these characters! Problem solved!
> The act of smoking is harmful to everyone in proximity to the smoker --
> wait, everyone can smoke! Therefore, smoking is not abusive!
> There's a bastard in the movie theatre with a laser pointer -- but then,
> anyone can use a laser pointer in a theatre! It's all good!
>
> F*cking a.g.sf2!
>
> Everyone's stupid!
I love it when you hit the nail on the head, Milo. I just thought you should
know that. :)
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
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WhoaMoses
No you can't, but last time I checked, you can't block or parry an attack while
holding towards to throw your opponent! So basically you're just leaving
yourself open to a combo if you do that. Probably the only possible time it's
safe to throw is if you jump in and don't do any attack whatsoever. Usually the
opponent is so used to parrying the jump-in he won't do anything to counter. So
as soon as you land, slam that ass!
Ultima
> I'm just curious... if people mainly stand around and just stare at each other while waiting to parry, can't you just walk up and chuck the guy over your shoulder a few times while he's waiting for that attack? You can't parry throws (or throw attempts), last I checked, can you?
It sounds good in theory, but Capcom also reduced the throw range so
much that this is all but useless as a counter-strategy to parrying.
Even characters with unblockable grab special moves can't do this
effectively.
And worse, in 2I, you CAN parry throw attempts. Well kinda - you can
"repel" them in a way (done the same as teching a throw in other Capcom
fighters), so that the character who attempts the throw is pushed back a
little ways, and the would-be thrown character takes ZERO damage.
Unbelievable.. >:(
You know, SF3/2I (no official word on 3S yet) are the near opposite of
the VS. series - the former is too defensive and boring, the other is
too (mindlessly) offensive and full of trash.. -_-
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Onaje Everett
Atsuko \"Nuku\" Natsume <nekomus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm just curious... if people mainly stand around and just stare at each other
> while waiting to parry, can't you just walk up and chuck the guy over your
> shoulder a few times while he's waiting for that attack? You can't parry
throws
> (or throw attempts), last I checked, can you?
The problem there is that the throw range is so small and most dashes are so
slow that this is a futile strategy. Plus, it'll take somewhere around 6
successful throws to make up for the one time you get caught with a combo
ending in a super, depending on the character, of course.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
Onaje Everett
whoa...@aol.com (WhoaMoses) wrote:
> >I'm just curious... if people mainly stand around and just stare at each
> >other
> >while waiting to parry, can't you just walk up and chuck the guy over your
> >shoulder a few times while he's waiting for that attack? You can't parry
> >throws
> >(or throw attempts), last I checked, can you?
>
while
> holding towards to throw your opponent! So basically you're just leaving
> yourself open to a combo if you do that. Probably the only possible time it's
> safe to throw is if you jump in and don't do any attack whatsoever. Usually
the
> opponent is so used to parrying the jump-in he won't do anything to counter.
So
> as soon as you land, slam that ass!
Or low forward, SHINRYUKEN....whoops. Got carried away.
Still, when you're jumping in is about the only chance you have of playing
some mind game with a turtle parrier. A smart player will simply go with the
easiest air-counter their character has, namely an anti-air normal or special
move. Of course, the really good players can fake you into jumping and
attacking....and then they parry you into whatever they desire.
Basically...you attack...you die. Not fun. Mind games a plenty, but not fun.
LazyJae
are but U still play the fucking game Out of 100 PPL that I play and watch play
Second Impact. Nobody complains about the Parrys.
>What fine logic! Because everyone can do it, that makes it impervious
>to any argument against it!
> Akuma and Dhalsim destroy virtually everyone in Alpha Three -- but
>anyone can select either of these characters! Problem solved!
> The act of smoking is harmful to everyone in proximity to the smoker --
>wait, everyone can smoke! Therefore, smoking is not abusive!
> There's a bastard in the movie theatre with a laser pointer -- but then,
>anyone can use a laser pointer in a theatre! It's all good!
>
JaE:mx-SFX-http://maximum.gamespage.com
LazyJae
I agree
>Everyone's stupid -->(Including U)
And the Stupidest PPL on the planet are the ones that hate 2nd Impact.
JaE:mx-SFX-http://maximum.gamespage.com
LazyJae
>massively unconvincing. If anything, the 19 hitter should've taken off a
>lot,
>if not put you into dizzy or very close to it. Besides, you should be lucky
>that you didn't eat 20+ hits (usually the 26 hitter).
I was lucky I know.
JaE:mx-SFX-http://maximum.gamespage.com
Ultima
BTW, you have officially descended into troll status (as if it weren't
obvious before).
> Yeah U PPL are narrow minded. U complain and complain about how cheap parrys
Did we say they were cheap? We said they're abusive and make the game
boring as hell. We didn't say they were cheap.
> are but U still play the fucking game
If there's nothing else, yes. Just because we play it doesn't mean we
have to like it. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a sucker for 2P
comp, which is the only reason why I bother to play MvC...
> Out of 100 PPL that I play and watch play Second Impact. Nobody complains about the Parrys.
Your pool of players is skewed too far to one end (read: lower level
players). Find some decent players who know the game and know what the
parries are like at high levels and get their opinion... Oh wait, you
already tried that, but you don't want to listen to us. We have given
you reasons as to why parries aren't liked (as is), while your excuse is
"where I come from no one complains about parries". Where I come from no
one complains about software piracy, but that doesn't mean that there
isn't anything wrong with it.
Mark Zedaker
(LazyJae) wrote:
> Yeah U PPL are narrow minded. U complain and complain about how cheap parrys
> are but U still play the fucking game Out of 100 PPL that I play and
watch play
> Second Impact. Nobody complains about the Parrys.
>
Nobody plays 2i anymore, and the people you play against are scrubs. HTH.
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everything I throw at them with no penalty whatsoever or I can play a
game where they can alpha counter me but they lose part of their guard
meter, pluse a level of their super meter. Gee, I wander which I will
choose?
Onaje Everett
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> Yeah U PPL are narrow minded. U complain and complain about how cheap parrys
> are but U still play the fucking game Out of 100 PPL that I play and watch
play
> Second Impact. Nobody complains about the Parrys.
Hmmm....maybe they haven't played the game to its potential, either!
DOH!!!
Nah....that could never happen. I mean, your arcade is famous for its
tourmanent winning players who have gone to the major tournaments and beaten
even the best of SF players, right? Aren't they?
It's like Freedom Williams (of C+C Music Factory) said once: It's one of
those things that makes ya go "Hmmmmm......".
WhoaMoses
I dunno, which will you? One sounds absurd, the other crazy. Wow, I can counter
"for free" (oh geez i shouldn't have said THAT), making the game not fun, or I
can totally screw myself for the rest of the match. Both are stupid. We need an
in-between dammit! Like A2's alpha counters which made a hell of a lot more
sense.
kayin/ka khiong kwok
Ultima wrote in message <36D1AF19...@rit.edu>...
>It sounds good in theory, but Capcom also reduced the throw range so
>much that this is all but useless as a counter-strategy to parrying.
>Even characters with unblockable grab special moves can't do this
>effectively.
Yep that sucks. When it comes to throw range, size does matter. :')
>And worse, in 2I, you CAN parry throw attempts. Well kinda - you can
>"repel" them in a way (done the same as teching a throw in other Capcom
>fighters), so that the character who attempts the throw is pushed back a
>little ways, and the would-be thrown character takes ZERO damage.
>Unbelievable.. >:(
That's probably the only reason why I hate the parry system in 2i. The fact
you can repel special and super grabs is ridiculous. It basically removes
the point of playing grapplers in that game (but I still play them anyway
cause I'm a sado-masochist. :') ).
>You know, SF3/2I (no official word on 3S yet) are the near opposite of
>the VS. series - the former is too defensive and boring, the other is
>too (mindlessly) offensive and full of trash.. -_-
I just think the guys at Capcom needs glasses. Think about it, there's a
little bit of lame humour there. :')
Cheers,
Ka.
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Atsuko "Nuku" Natsume
"Onaje Everett (FreshOJ)" wrote:
> The problem there is that the throw range is so small and most dashes are so
> slow that this is a futile strategy. Plus, it'll take somewhere around 6
> successful throws to make up for the one time you get caught with a combo
> ending in a super, depending on the character, of course.
>
> Does that seem reasonable to you?
>
Far too reasonable... I had no idea that the throw ranges were that small... I will
keep this in mind. Hopefully the grab ranges will be bigger in 3S? But then that
would mean that Capcom would be learning from their mistakes....
mdr...@webtv.net
whoa...@aol.com (WhoaMoses) Re: What is the Big Deal with Parrys?
I dunno, which will you? One sounds absurd, the other crazy. Wow, I can
counter "for free" (oh geez i shouldn't have said THAT), making the game
not fun, or I can totally screw myself for the rest of the match. Both
are stupid. We need an in-between dammit! Like A2's alpha counters which
made a hell of a lot more sense.
I will choose to play the game with Alpha counters any day.
I don't like the way alpha counters are in A3. They are pretty much
worthless now simply because they take away from your guard meter as
well as your super meter. If you use it at all your pretty much done
because it will make it easier to guard crush you. I don't have a
problem with the damage the alpha counters do in A3. I think that was
the big flaw in A2.
I believe the parrys are crap in SF3 because a person can do them
whenever they want and not have to worry about any kind of retribution.
Oops, guess I already mentioned this in my first post. Oh well.
IceiKlez
Play SF32I and look for some competition to play. I love every SF Game. To
let all U PPL know something. [It is not the Game it is the Player]. Becoz if
U don't like Parries U don't have to call this man and Idiot or a Dumb
poster. I was reading these Articles for quite some time now. I give this man
his props he came in here let his voice be heard. Much Props to U doggz. What
is the big deal with parries? Nothing really. U don't like getting parried or
U don't like to parry so don't do it and if U don't like getting Parried
Throw your opponent. Duhhhh there is a simple solution for everything. Come
on Flame me I don't care. My name is...[what] My name is [who] My name is
dique,dique,dique Shady Prodigy. ok. So the insults to LazyJae should Stop
now. He came in here and apologized to all ya. What ya want him to do hold it
in. Hell no! And what facts are ya talking about. Can I know? Becoz I've been
to Chinatown Arcade and I see PPL playing 2I parrying, doing 20+ Hit combos,
20+ Win Streaks and nobody complains. So why are U PPL complaining. There are
PPL on this Planet that like 2I and everything about the game. And I am one
of them, LazyJae is another one. And I can't wait for 3rd Strike.
ShadyProdigy!
P.S: LazyJae Nice Site. Do Ya Thing Kid!
IceiKlez
says he sounds like a scrub.
How the hell does a person sound like scrub. I can post the illest shit in
the world and U would'nt be able to tell what I am. I can tell U I hate
Parries and Alpha Counters, Custom Combos. Does that mean I have skill? Can I
know
Shady Prodigy!
Akuma99999
starts getting out of hand, it's time to let loose with a few throws. (Damn, I
love the knee press into You Hou combo!!!) You'll teach those parry-lovers a
lesson.
IceiKlez
> > I am not defending them or encouraging them. But are U PPL tramatized with
> > parrys. If you can do it good for U. As for the parry being to abusive that
is
> > a bunch of shit. Becoz juz like your opponent can parry so can U.
>
>
> > As for the Parry leading to a big damaging combo. It depends on what
machine U
> > play on. Becoz I was playin 2I and a Ibuki player parryed me and did a 19
hit
> > combo and he barely took off energy. And it happened to me when I played
> > against Yun and Yang. The same thing happened against Dudley and that
partners
> > was a different story. He drained the shit out of me. And I won all 4
matches.
> Obviously, you never played in a parry fest. Plus, I find your Ibuki story
> massively unconvincing. If anything, the 19 hitter should've taken off a lot,
> if not put you into dizzy or very close to it. Besides, you should be lucky
> that you didn't eat 20+ hits (usually the 26 hitter).
Not really in China town the machines are set to low damage. And also if U
would look at the energy bar when U R performing a combo the hits take less
and less damage. So there U go.
> Here's a story: my scrub Ryu vs. Hugo. After about 20 secs of sheer beat
> down (on both sides), I made the mistake of j.rh, hoping that he wouldn't
> block. He didn't, he parried. I then ate 4 c.jabs, then that rushing
super,
> then dizzy, then got thrown into the corner while I got juggled off the wall
> by repeated s.fierces, then he let me fall (or the cpu was kind enough to let
> me fall), I tried to jump out of the corner (since Hugo kills in the corner),
> but I got caught in the air and was 360'd (or whatever the hell that move is)
> then I died. In any other series, I would've taken a hit, and probably had a
> good chance to sac-throw. Parries don't let you sac-throw. Trying to throw
> of a parried hit is suicidal, not to mention stupid. Parries also kill the
> spacing game.
>
> I made 1 mistake, and it was a well calculated move, too.
> Dale
Can I know?
JB Gainz
scrubs wail on them with fireballs.. dumbass parriers
*sarcastic smile*
Onaje Everett
IceiKlez <ShadyP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yo Son Don't listen to these PPL they don't have nothing better to do than to
> Play SF32I and look for some competition to play.
Oh great. ANOTHER troll.
> I love every SF Game. To
> let all U PPL know something. [It is not the Game it is the Player].
And how did you come to this oh so logical conclusion? Have you ever stopped
to think that maybe, just maybe, there are some games that are much easier to
play than others? Let's compare football and baseball, shall we? Isn't it
safe to say that it's easier to throw a football to a reciever and complete a
pass than it is to hit a baseball thrown at an average speed of around 90
miles per hour? Look at the stats in both pro leagues and you see that one
is tons easier to do than the other. Baseball is often called "a game of
failure" because at least 2 out of 3 times that you go up to bat, you won't
get on base.
Now, apply this to a game in which a certain gameplay feature (namely,
parries) allow you to connect a chain combo ending with a super (which
usually results in 40-50% damage) while taking virtually no risk. You're
telling me that because I didn't take a risk, I deserve that damage? I hope
you see where your logic just ain't there, bruh.
> Becoz if
> U don't like Parries U don't have to call this man and Idiot or a Dumb
> poster.
You're just like him....you don't listen. I want you to listen VERY
carefully.
He's getting ripped apart by the group because we're explaining thing 10 and
20 times to him over and over...and he isn't (or at least, wasn't) listening.
He, like you, just dumps whatever happens to be in his brain at the time
onto the newsgroup without checking it against logic. He posts false
information. We prove it wrong. He STILL doesn't get it. That's
frustrating.
Now, I hope you decide to respond to this post in a logical manner, as well.
If you don't, well....you better hope you can take what I'm giving you now
'cause this will seem like nothing.
> I was reading these Articles for quite some time now. I give this man
> his props he came in here let his voice be heard. Much Props to U doggz.
He said what was on his mind. That's fine in my book. However, when you
summarily ignore what's said against your position and still claim the same
totally false ideas as fact and expect us to buy into them, that's when you
cross the line.
> What
> is the big deal with parries? Nothing really. U don't like getting parried or
> U don't like to parry so don't do it and if U don't like getting Parried
> Throw your opponent. Duhhhh there is a simple solution for everything.
Your logic is astonishingly......lacking. This only works on jump-in attacks.
Most smart players don't jump unless their opponent is open. So, what are we
to do from the ground? Dash in and throw? Please...dashes are slow and throw
range is pitiful. Even if you get one throw off, that's hardly enough damage
to make up for the next time...when you eat a super for your trouble. The
guessing game is in the parrier's favor. Now what?
Come
> on Flame me I don't care. My name is...[what] My name is [who] My name is
> dique,dique,dique Shady Prodigy.
Yay! I can put you up on the same wall I put LazyJae up on! WOW! I'm
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO impressed! :P
> ok. So the insults to LazyJae should Stop
> now. He came in here and apologized to all ya. What ya want him to do hold it
> in. Hell no!
He needs to try apologizing when he really means it and he needs to stop
posting foolishly false information.
> And what facts are ya talking about. Can I know? Becoz I've been
> to Chinatown Arcade and I see PPL playing 2I parrying, doing 20+ Hit combos,
> 20+ Win Streaks and nobody complains. So why are U PPL complaining.
Simple, we play in tournaments. We expect more of our games. You know those
people that don't complain because of a super-easy tactic....they don't know
the game that well. Trust me. I also know that those same people would get
destroyed in a tournament...and there's one coming up over there on the East
Coast, too! So, go and tell all of those people that you know in your arcade
about the upcoming tourney so that they can go and be destroyed and then know
exactly why parries the way they are are way too abusive.
If parries weren't in the game, I'd probably love the Three series. If
parries were changed so that you actually risked something when doing them,
I'd definitely like the Three series. As it stands now, I only kinda like
it. I won't play it at high levels of play, though, because then it gets
EXTREMELY boring. Defense sucks. Offense rules.
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
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Onaje Everett
IceiKlez <ShadyP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who are U to judge him on his beliefs? Directed to Jinston and NE body that
> says he sounds like a scrub.
Ummm....we're people?
You see, when you're given a bunch of facts, you can draw a conclusion using
this nifty little tool called "logic".
It's not like we haven't seen his type before, especially me. I've been
around too long not to know what a scrub posts like. He fits the profile all
too well.
> How the hell does a person sound like scrub.
If you don't know, then maybe you ARE one. :)
> I can post the illest shit in the world and U would'nt be able to tell what I
> am.
Maybe not, but we can make an assessment based on what you post. Still, he
and you haven't proven that you aren't scrubs...so maybe you should start
with that.
> I can tell U I hate
> Parries and Alpha Counters, Custom Combos. Does that mean I have skill? Can I
> know
You can hide behind those statements, but you know what? You can't hide from
the truth, son. The truth always finds things out. You can try to fool
everyone into thinking you're a skilled player, but talking like a skilled
player means that you also have to HAVE the skill. If you don't have the
skill, you won't show the skill.
It's tons easier for me to pretend I'm at a lower level of skill than I
really am. That makes plenty of sense, doesn't it? Isn't it easier to do
nothing and fail than to try your best and succeed?
Onaje Everett
Maybe you should see one before trying to assess this game. Better yet, save
yourself some money and take it from people that have.
If you insist on learning the hard way, take yourself to a tourney.
> Any time parrying
> starts getting out of hand, it's time to let loose with a few throws. (Damn,
I
> love the knee press into You Hou combo!!!) You'll teach those parry-lovers a
> lesson.
When are you getting these throws off? You're not going to get many throws
off on someone that really knows what they're doing. Smart players don't let
you get so close that you can throw them. If anything, they'll stick
something out and hit you. There's a range at which you can parry an attack
and still have room to counter a throw attempt if you were faked....if you're
on the ground. Jumping attacks are the only attacks that will ever allow you
to fake and throw well. Those attacks, however, are easily countered.
Furthermore, you're using a character that can juggle/combo after a
throw...and most characters can't do that. Funny how Yun is near the
top-tier, too, eh?
Now, try doing this with someone that doesn't have great ground speed and see
what happens. Whaddya know? It doesn't work. No wonder Hugo and Urien
aren't good against people that parry well.
robo...@my-dejanews.com
IceiKlez <ShadyP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yo Son Don't listen to these PPL they don't have nothing better to do than to
> Play SF32I and look for some competition to play.
Why else play SF if not for the comp? I do have something better to do: play
SFA3.
I love every SF Game. To
> let all U PPL know something. [It is not the Game it is the Player].
No. I must disagree. It's the game. You can love whatever you want.
Becoz if
> U don't like Parries U don't have to call this man and Idiot or a Dumb
> poster.
Well, let's see the reasons why he is an idiot and a dumb poster (in order of
importance): 1) [paraphrasing] He told us we suck b/c we don't know how to do
ACs and Parries and that we suck for not liking 2i 2) [paraphrasing] He told
us 2i is the greatest game known to man (embellishment) and could not back it
up. 3) refuses to listen to our gripes 4) the slang (but that's last, I'm
sure that there are some b/t #3-4)
I was reading these Articles for quite some time now. I give this man
> his props he came in here let his voice be heard.
Any fool w/a cpu can do this. I give him more props for going out and
earning a cpu and ISP service.
Much Props to U doggz. What
> is the big deal with parries? Nothing really. U don't like getting parried or
> U don't like to parry so don't do it and if U don't like getting Parried
> Throw your opponent.
Obviously, you haven't been reading these posts very carefully. Parries
offer high reward (i.e. huge dmg combos into SC) for low risk (i.e. missed
parry? so what? nothing happens). Not-parring is plain, outright stupid. A
non-parry player will always lose to a parrying player. It's like putting a
quarter into the machine, then walking away. Throwing is usually not an
option, b/c the throw range sucks in this game, making even tick throws
difficult. By the time you get close enough to throw, you're eating some
combo.
[snip]
Can I know? Becoz I've been
> to Chinatown Arcade and I see PPL playing 2I parrying, doing 20+ Hit combos,
> 20+ Win Streaks and nobody complains. So why are U PPL complaining. There are
> PPL on this Planet that like 2I and everything about the game. And I am one
> of them, LazyJae is another one. And I can't wait for 3rd Strike.
Is this another testament of NY skillz? People play for the comp. I really
dislike 2i and VS games, but if I really want to play someone, I'll play those
games, rather than an empty A3, hyper, or ST machine. No one complains b/c it
sounds stupid to say: "Did you see that 20 hit combo I did to you after I
parried? That was garbage! That stuff shouldn't be allowed. It's cheap."
Dale
Onaje Everett
That doesn't contradict the fact that parries are too easy to do. Please, try
again.
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
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Onaje Everett
jbg...@aol.com (JB Gainz) wrote:
> I know.. why do people parry so much.. they should stand still and let shoto
> scrubs wail on them with fireballs.. dumbass parriers
Here's a thought: jump.
Oooooh!
It's amazing how much less people know about SF these days.
kayin/ka khiong kwok
like watching the Wonder Years without Fred Savage (incidentally, is Working
still on? It's a pretty good show, the writing needs a bit of improvement,
but that's all really).
Cheers,
Ka.
=== A suggestion to future medical students... ===
A cure-all headache tablet for women. :')
JB Gainz
>Here's a thought: jump.
>
>Oooooh!
>
>It's amazing how much less people know about SF these days.
>
Hehe.. you took that out of context. It was a sarcastic statement, but you
botched it up. I was making fun of shotoscrubs who complain about parries
blocking their relentless line of fireballs. And if you knew as much about SF3
and you presented on your last post, you would no Shotos can before the famous
"Fireball/DP trap", which takes a lot more than jumping to get out of.
Parrying helped elemenate that cheap and way too simple shoto strategy.
And my knowledge of SF is more than I care for it to be. Perhaps you do, but
I don't find knowing every little thing about a video game some great
accomplishment in life. I actually have a little shame for my minor obssession
with SF.
JB GAINZ
Onaje Everett
jbg...@aol.com (JB Gainz) wrote:
> Onaje wrote:
>
> >Here's a thought: jump.
> >
> >Oooooh!
> >
> >It's amazing how much less people know about SF these days.
>
> Hehe.. you took that out of context. It was a sarcastic statement, but you
> botched it up.
Well, from your track record, I'll guess that the majority of the group took
you seriously. If you're going to be sarcastic, then say so because with
your track record, it's going to be hard to distinguish between your actual
scrubdom and your "pseudo-scrubdom".
> I was making fun of shotoscrubs who complain about parries
> blocking their relentless line of fireballs.
I've actually never run into a person like this. Kinda surprising now that I
think about it.
> And if you knew as much about SF3
> and you presented on your last post, you would no Shotos can before the famous
> "Fireball/DP trap", which takes a lot more than jumping to get out of.
What?!
Let me show you a little something. Do a Hadouken with Ryu in either HF,
Super, or ST. Now, do a Hadouken with Ryu in SF3:NG or SF3:2I. Are you
noticing something? A Hadouken in SF3 has MUCH greater startup time than in
the older SFs. Capcom SPECIFICALLY put that in to make the FB/DP trap MUCH
harder, if not impossible, to do. The only time you should ever fall for the
FB/DP trap is if you're NOT thinking! Jumping straight up will stop it EVERY
time, regardless of the game.
Now....*I* don't know SF3? Hello?! Ryu's ToD and Ken's HK trap, not to
mention Sean's most damaging combo ending with the Hyper Tornado or Hado
Burst? Any of those things ring a bell? I happen to know a lot about SF3. I
haven't seen a single thing from you that says you have anything above an
average understanding of the game. Others will tell you that I have an above
average understanding of the game, specifically when it comes to combos.
> Parrying helped elemenate that cheap and way too simple shoto strategy.
It's only effective, however, against scrubs that can't react to a FB being
thrown. I didn't need parries to jump over FBs, slap my opponent with a dizzy
combo, and then hit them with my character's best and prettiest combo and end
their misery. It's pretty! It's SO PRETTY!! HAHA!! :)
In fact, it's the main strategy I rely on against projectile throwers.
Let me ask you this, though: Is it cheap because it takes little work to pull
off, or because YOU can't counter it?
> And my knowledge of SF is more than I care for it to be. Perhaps you do, but
> I don't find knowing every little thing about a video game some great
> accomplishment in life. I actually have a little shame for my minor
obssession
> with SF.
That's too bad...because knowledge is power...and the reason why I happen to
be able to extract these bits of information from the game as well as I do is
because I have the gift of knowledge. I don't just know about SF. I know a
lot about a lot of things. Fact, not boasting. Again, as has always been
your choice, you don't have to believe me just because YOU can't do the same
things that I can with my general knowledge. However, if you don't believe
me, even in the face of facts, then I have a suggestion for you: Don't
respond.
Read Kao Megura's sig with my quote in it. I said that because it's a fact,
not because I have to make everyone feel beneath me. I'm all about facts.
I'm gifted, and I'm glad about it. Why? Look at the sig.