Samurai Shodown has been castrated
Michael Keene
SAMURAI SHODOWN for the Neo-Geo home system will be
C E N S O R E D
in America.
I had a nice, long discussion with an employee at SNK. He confirmed
my worst fear. As posted here by jr...@eos.ncsu.edu, all instances of
BLOOD in the game will be colored WHITE. It will also be impossible
to hack your opponent in half at the end of the round.
"Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I exclaim loudly over the telephone....
The SNK employee was at a loss. They agreed, it's the biggest
mistake the company has ever made. People are flocking to buy
NEO-GEO's JUST to get this game! It's their first game to be given a
fair shake by magazine game reviewers. What will they think when they
hear about this? So much for the "real thing" at home.
As with most Neo owners, I bought my system because I want THE actual
arcade game at HOME! I don't want some poorly-ported micro-mini
version of the real game on Nintendo or Sega. I want the real
thing!!! I paid A LOT of money, and I want nothing less than what I
play in the arcade.
I sat back for a while and tried to understand SNK's logic. I failed
to come up with anything good. I think the problem is the fanatical,
puritanical, violence-censorship craze that this country is currently
experiencing. Perhaps SNK/Japan is witnessing what is going on here,
and simply reacting.... THE WRONG WAY. I don't give a flying fuck if
simulated blood in a game is going to warp little Jimmy for life! How
many brats do you know who own NEO-GEO's? Nintendo, maybe, but NOT MY
PROFESSIONAL AT-HOME ARCADE MACHINE!
The SNK employee I talked to said that he's tried to do everything to
keep his company from making such a mistake, but the damage is done..
The cartridges have been manufactured, and if you own an American
NEO-GEO, you're not getting the real arcade game.
A warning to those who will try to buy an import version. If you own
an American NEO GEO console, no matter where you got your Samurai
Shodown cartridge from, you're getting white blood. All the cartridges are
exactly the same. They're all manufactured at the same place in
Japan; Only different language labels are slapped onto them. It's the
hardware in your Neo-Geo that determines which language mode it will
use. If you own a Japanese Neo-Geo and plug in any SS cart, you'll
get the full blood and guts arcade version, w/ japanese text.
IMPORTANT -- If anyone knows how to convert Neo-Geo's to different
language/country modes, PLEASE post on how to do so.
If it's as easy as the Genesis' cutting a jumper, it may
be a decent solution...
I am writing a letter to the president of SNK/USA and SNK/Japan. I'll
post it to the net, and if you want your name included on it, send me
E-mail.
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Tony Mason
Oops. :) That's a MAJOR MAJOR mistake on their part. Hell,
even I was thinking of getting a Neo Geo for the sole purpose
of playing this game. White Blood?! No cuts?! That's half of
what makes the game fun!
Stupid, stupid stupid STUPID move. Nobody'll want to get the
censored version of the game. This is as bad as 'Tapper' getting
changed to 'Root Beer' tapper :)
Oh well, guess I'll spend my money elsewhere. (As I'm guessing a
LOT of people will do as well...)
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Robert keng
: I can't believe it, but it IS true.....
: SAMURAI SHODOWN for the Neo-Geo home system will be
: C E N S O R E D
: in America.
: I had a nice, long discussion with an employee at SNK. He confirmed
: my worst fear. As posted here by jr...@eos.ncsu.edu, all instances of
: BLOOD in the game will be colored WHITE. It will also be impossible
: to hack your opponent in half at the end of the round.
: "Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I exclaim loudly over the telephone....
What's with this censorship stuff anyway? I swear, people here in the good'ol
US of A cares more about stupid little things like this than anyone else in
the world. Like it's really gonna turn little kids into psycho-maniac-killers.
It's not the videogame's fault that some kids got bad morals. I'd point my
fingers at their parents for their lack of love, understanding, and
supervision instead.
: As with most Neo owners, I bought my system because I want THE actual
: arcade game at HOME! I don't want some poorly-ported micro-mini
: version of the real game on Nintendo or Sega. I want the real
: thing!!! I paid A LOT of money, and I want nothing less than what I
: play in the arcade.
: I sat back for a while and tried to understand SNK's logic. I failed
: to come up with anything good. I think the problem is the fanatical,
: puritanical, violence-censorship craze that this country is currently
: experiencing.
I really fail to see what they hope to accomplish with all this censorship
crap. I remember some people on the news who were for this stuff complained
that GI Joe and looney toones were violent and contained no educational value.
GI Joe, where no one actually dies or bleeds, and Looney Toones?!? Boy do
people get carried away at times...
Sheesh. If parents want their kids to be educated and to have good morals, get
them good education and get involved in their life. We watch cartoones and
play videogames to relax and have fun, not so we can get a good education.
Man, I just hope 3DO developers don't fall for that crap. I'd really hate to
pay $700 bucks so I can play censored games (this goes to Jaguar developers as
well...)
To this day, I still watch Looney Toones :-)
ronstedt john q.
Young kids are very impressionable. Consider the trade: You don't get
to see red blood (ooooohhhh) or Young children getting exposed to excessive
violence....
I am going to bye Neo_geo just because of this.
Dmitri Lenna
*sigh* you trully can't be serious. Their going to see it at the
arcade ANYWAY!!!!!! I doubt children have Neo-Geo at home, so is their
any point to it being censored in *ONLY* the home version ??
Personally I'm indifferent to SS, but I am dead against this
Nintendo and other companies becoming our parents. I'm just glad
Sega hasn't opted for this shit. Better violent, and saying so ,than
censored violence.
-Dmitri "Dmitheon" Lenna
KYLE OLIN KILLOUGH
, pri...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ronstedt john q.) writes:
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Get a grip man.. there is more violence in cartoons these days than that...
Blood is blood... so you want the kid one day to cut him self and freak
just because he thinks that if he gets cut he won't bleed red blood?
*shakes his head*
I think kids these days need to be exposed to the world. Instead of
sheltering them from everything, let them know and learn to deal with
the more harsh realities of the world. Keeps them from being snivelling
scared little brats always begging for mommy and dwelling in ignorance
of the cruel reality of the world. Kids watch movies like Rambo,
Terminator , and Robocop, Look theres even new Alien plastic figurines
out there I saw while I was passing by a two shop in the mall... And you
say this will damage their "impressionable" little minds? I seriously
doubt that it would have any real effect other than to make them say
"Cool, check it out man"... I mean how many under 5 year olds do you think
actually play games like this, the youngest I have seen is 8. I t takes too much
hand eye coordination anyway for them, and most of the time all they do is
bang on the buttons, but enough about kids, I am pointing out that
concern for the youth has its place, and this isn't it...
Michael Bahr
>I'm clad crap like this got censored. Is it really necessary to have red blood?
>Young kids are very impressionable. Consider the trade: You don't get
>to see red blood (ooooohhhh) or Young children getting exposed to excessive
>violence....
That's just it... Young-Children don't get exposed to Neo Geo!! I
don't give a flying teapot if they censor Nintendo/Sega. KIDS play those,
even though I find them fun too. But the Neo Geo is a sophisticated game
machine and games with violence, REAL violence, have impact and it makes
it more fun to play. If I were still fourteen, I might expect this.
However Carter was president then.
>I am going to bye Neo_geo just because of this.
Heck, I'm looking for a Japanese Neo Geo just because of this.
I'll play the games as intended! But I don't suggest you let a nine year
old do the same. And how many nine-year-olds own a $500 Neo Geo?
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John Stiles
>In article <ribbitCD...@netcom.com>, rib...@netcom.com (Tony Mason)
>wrote:
>
>> Hell,
>> even I was thinking of getting a Neo Geo for the sole purpose
>> of playing this game. White Blood?! No cuts?! That's half of
>
>there's no way I'll shell out that amount of cash for a bowdlerized
>version. Too bad...trust SNK to blow their (probably last) chance of
>breaking into a wider market. Do they seriously believe that anybody buys a
>NeoGeo for their kids?
Well, to me the solution seems obvious... since you guys haven't got
your Neo's yet, get 'em from Japan!! Although it's probably more expensive,
isn't it worth it to chop your enemies in half in excruciating detail? ;)
BTW, I never get very good at this game. How DO you cut your enemies
up? Or for that matter, how do you have the two people hold swords and try to
push each other down? (What's this called?)
*Stiles
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Michael Keene
>
> Heck, I'm looking for a Japanese Neo Geo just because of this.
>I'll play the games as intended! But I don't suggest you let a nine year
>old do the same. And how many nine-year-olds own a $500 Neo Geo?
>
>
That's a solution, but watch out. All text in the game(s) will be in
Japanese.
Ralph Barbagallo
What the HELL is SNK DOING?! It's not like anyone knows about
the NEO GEO... it's a fringe system. Nintendo and SEGA are in the public
spotlight all the time, they will get a lot of heat for violent games..
but SNK won't...NOBODY will CARE! SNK was the last company, I thought, that
would censor their games..... What a bunch of MORONS! How come in Art
of Fighting you can see blood, see the guys' faces get beat up etc... it
was okay then...but now it's somehow 'different'? What a bunch of fools...
but we knew that already...
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[ Amiga 4000/030, Amiga 500, Commodore 64, Atari 800XL, Atari 2600, 7800, ]
[ Lynx, Sega Master System, Genesis, Game Gear, NES, SNES, Game Boy, NEO GEO]
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Joe Czagas
>In article <1993Sep11....@indirect.com> gar...@indirect.com (Michael Bahr) writes:
>
>>
>> Heck, I'm looking for a Japanese Neo Geo just because of this.
>>I'll play the games as intended! But I don't suggest you let a nine year
>>old do the same. And how many nine-year-olds own a $500 Neo Geo?
>>
>>
>
>That's a solution, but watch out. All text in the game(s) will be in
>Japanese.
>
Big deal. It's not like SS is a text intensive role-play-game. Anyway,
I've played Japanese import games where *all* the text is in English.
Usually, some of the text is rendered in English such as character
names, option menu selections, &c. I've not seen a Japanese SS version,
but I really don't think this will hinder playability by a veteran of
the arcade version.
J.A.C.
John Stiles
>In article <1993Sep11....@indirect.com> gar...@indirect.com (Michael Bahr) writes:
>
>>
>> Heck, I'm looking for a Japanese Neo Geo just because of this.
>>I'll play the games as intended! But I don't suggest you let a nine year
>>old do the same. And how many nine-year-olds own a $500 Neo Geo?
>>
>>
>
>That's a solution, but watch out. All text in the game(s) will be in
>Japanese.
>
voices are Japanese too, you get to hear "Shogu" when the game screen says,
"Begin."
Come to think of it, the voices in almost every Neo game are Japanese.
(Art of Fighting for example) Perhaps they don't want to hire more voice
actors...
*Stiles
>
>
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Bladerunner
cartridges? My Sega has rejected foreign carts before...
Bladerunner
reasons already laid out by many others before me.
But this is just part of a larger wave of the Kinder Gentler shit that the
Moral Majority(pronounced: Establishment Assholes) has been shoving down
the throats of ordinary Americans. Even harmless game players who pay an
outrageous sum for what was supposed to duplicate the arcade version fully.
The home versions of MK also has less blood... I don't even like the game.
I just play it to watch people getting torn up.
Someone asked how does one cut the opponent in half? Everytime you win
the match (not just a round) with a power technique, there's a chance that
the opponent will get Ginsued but good(my personal favorite death is by
Earthquake... A shoulder to crotch cut... The most difficult one in
sword fighting, I think) and little gold coins that the guy/gal has apparently
swallowed before going into the fight fall all over the board. Nakoruru
doesn't get chopped in half... She gets her legs offed at the knee. The
chance for cutting the opponent in half increases noticeably when they're
killed in the air. Special techniques, A+B slashes, or a B slash while you're
powered up will have a chance of chopping people in half.
To lock blades, both combatants must slash at the same instant while close to
each other. This is VERY desirable when you're low on the Rage meter and
the opponent's high, since the meter often gets reduced to zero after a
shoving match of this sort. If both opponents hit their slash buttons before
the round starts, the beginning of the round will see them locked up, as the
machine interpretes this as a slash that is released when it says "Start!"
I don't know what it's called in Japanese sword fighting, but in Western
Fencing it's just called "Locking up" with the opponent.
Frank Kuan
[Stuff deleted]
>
> Call me a newly converted Vega blowhard (Okay, old blowhard,
> new Vega convert). Vega gets my vote for best character. Since you
> seem to be of the opinion that Vega can't even beat Ryu, I think I
> am safe in assuming you have never seen a serious Vega player. Talk
> about least natural enemies... I count Blanka and Chun Li and that's
> it. I like Vega precisely because he is so two dimensional. He's
> just faster than everyone else with (second best?) range. And in
Sure he has long striking range with his claws, but it must be the
lowest priority attack in the game. The collision tuning on the
crouching claw attacks sucks miserably. Lots of crouching leg
attacks that don't physically touch vega's crouching claw attack
still count as collision against vega. And those claw attacks tend
to miss when you're pushing right up against the opponent.
> the strike range/speed of strike category, he's got everyone beat
> hands down. Why do you think they neutered his throw from CE? He
> was unbeatable with that thing. Now, he has arguably (although not
> very) the worst throw in the game. Why such a drastic move on Capcom's
I'd say he has the worst throw in the game. No range at all. This is
one of Vega's tragic flaws. It's risky to punish a missed dragon
punch (especially ken's jab dp) when your throw range is so puny.
Unless I'm ahead, I tend to go for a slide instead, which does very
little damage. I can't count the # of times I've tried to walk
under a player while they're jumping in and throw them as they land
only to fail. Chunl Li never fails the walk under and throw trick.
Plus, vega being tall makes him susceptible to high attacks. You
say, "great. High attack me and I'll sac throw your ass". With vega's
lame throw range, a sac throw isn't as easy as it is with other
characters. And ken or ryu can do a high hit /air hk combo if they
suspect you will attempt to sac throw.
> part? They knew he was too good. "Sarah" told me that in CE, he was
> so fast that he could actually pin Chun Li (who lacked an "invincible"
> move in CE) with advancing jabs. She literally could not move. Notice
> the SBK hits on the way up now... Just think of Vega as everything
> Dhalsim *could* be. He's so fast he doesn't need a FB, as they are
> useless against him. He also lacks a certain bit of aerial finesse,
Agreed. Vega is a big threat against fireball trappers because of the
short aieral hang time. That's why master ryu's throw very few
fireballs. They resort to repeated jumping in with the butt attack.
What do you do now? If you block, they keep jumping in. If you do
the defensive back flip, it might catch them by surprise once, but
after that they throw you or dp as you're getting out of it. You
can jump up and meet them in the air. If you time it right, you
might get the air throw or settle for puny air damage. Master ryu's
get wise and start throwing in some occasional air hk's when they
think you'll jump up to meet them. If you anticipate the in close
jump you can stab them with the standing middle claw. But if they
anitcipate your anticipation, they can do a low risk jab DP and
nail you.
> although he has some very nice priority and beautifully short hang
> time. And that range, and fast slide...
>
> Vega is #1, and probably has been in every single version
> (remember Classic Vega? OUCH.)
>
>
> Seth Killian
>
In the hands of someone who makes no mistakes, Vega can be
devastating. However, the low margin of error required to be
successful with vega, coupled with the fact that vega is easily
dizziable and does little damage makes him fairly useless.
Have you noticed how often you get hit from the "wrong" direction?
For example, jump in close against honda so that you land on the
other side of him before he turns around, and if he does his
horizontal torpedo, he'll nail you. I believe even a standing
chop will have the same effect. Or a guile uppercutting the
"wrong" direction will hit vega. it sucks. It really sucks.
How about the lameness of the wall dive air attack? all the
opponent has to do is jump backwards with a jab or short and you
will lose. Even if you get behind them in the air, you will still
get hit. Nothing looks more ridiculous than a vega skillfully
getting on the other side of an opponent jab punching the other
direction and still getting hit! Total bogosity.
When I play vega, I use the claws very rarely, as a random dp
or blanka ball or just about any standard attack will beat it.
I fake slides with a short, and pretty much do slides only from
the "ideal" distance so I don't get punished if they block.
I just dance around a lot generally and wait for the opponent
to commit before I counter. Against ken and blanka, I pretty much
never use the wall dive. I rarely use the wall dive at all unless
I'm in the corner and you can get the super quick wall dive off
your own wall. The rolling claw doesn't do much damge, doesn't
have much dizzy potential, but I like to use it to get under
player's jumping in, and throw them when they land. Against the
computer, I've been thrown and dp'd out of the rolling claw
between non-blocked hits! I don't know if humans can do that.
Miscellaneous comments:
1) I've on occasion ground thrown or air thrown blanka out of electricity.
What's the secret to doing this consistently?
2) How do you beat an unpredictable master blanka? it's suicide.
3) The only thing I've been able to combo with vega is a crouching jab
into a rolling claw. Not exactly dizzy inducing or impressive
damage wise. On occasion, it can be useful in the same way that
ryu/ken does a blocked footsweep fireball "combo".
4) How do you beat Honda? If he hits's you 5 or 6 times the round is
over. You have to hit him about 25 times.
5) I can beat master vega's with chunster pretty much at will. She has
great throw range, great air throws, her side kick has tremendous
priority, the jab SBK works well, and now she has a fireball.
How do you beat Chun Li?
- Frank
DONALD JAMES BARNES
In article <ribbitCD...@netcom.com>, rib...@netcom.com (Tony Mason) writes:
> Stupid, stupid stupid STUPID move. Nobody'll want to get the
> censored version of the game. This is as bad as 'Tapper' getting
> changed to 'Root Beer' tapper :)
Come on, it's not _that_ bad..... ;-)
--Donnie
John Nishinaga
> [Nonsense about Vega's "puny throw range" excerpted.]
I don't know where you guys get these wild ideas about ____'s throw range so
here's the lowdown on what's really happening:
Sagat
Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, Guile, Vega, Zangief (?)
M. Bison
Balrog
Blanka
Dhalsim
E. Honda
Zangief (w/ SPD)
... with the top being shorter, the bottom being longer. I'm not exactly sure
about Zangief's normal throws, but on SNES SF2:HF they were the same as Ryu's
so that's why I put them there. However, SF2:HF throw ranges don't exactly
match the arcade (e.g. Blanka's and Balrog's are longer than Dhalsim's on the
SNES).
--
John Nishinaga
jnis...@netcom.com
Carl Chavez
Robert keng <pri...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>: I sat back for a while and tried to understand SNK's logic. I failed
>: to come up with anything good. I think the problem is the fanatical,
>: puritanical, violence-censorship craze that this country is currently
>: experiencing.
>
>I really fail to see what they hope to accomplish with all this censorship
>crap. I remember some people on the news who were for this stuff complained
>that GI Joe and looney toones were violent and contained no educational value.
>GI Joe, where no one actually dies or bleeds, and Looney Toones?!? Boy do
>people get carried away at times...
The scary thing is that I know several people who deplore the murder of
people, real or imagined, and then go off with AK-47s and Uzis so they
can blow away dozens of waterfowl (a bit of exaggeration). But the people
who get the censorship going are usually the ones hiding the worst facets
of humanity (witness Jimmys Swaggart and Baker, or Orals Roberts and Bill).
There still hasn't been any serious study I have seen which positively
correlates video game violence with real violence. Only studies by anti-TV/
anti-video game groups claim this. I HAVE seen serious studies which show
NO correlation, and I have even seen one study which shows a positive
correlation between video game playing and improved social interaction.
Now I'm sure that most of us, from the newest players to the Pong/Computer
Space fans, don't have violent tendencies toward the common
person walking down a street. I have personally been playing video games
since I was 5 (in 1978) and have never committed a criminal act. I know
others like me who don't get in trouble. Why must we pay for crimes committed
by people who MAY ALREADY HAVE HAD CRIMINAL TENDENCIES due to other factors
in their lives (toxic waste, parental abuse).
>
>Sheesh. If parents want their kids to be educated and to have good morals, get
>them good education and get involved in their life. We watch cartoones and
>play videogames to relax and have fun, not so we can get a good education.
>
>Man, I just hope 3DO developers don't fall for that crap. I'd really hate to
>pay $700 bucks so I can play censored games (this goes to Jaguar developers as
>well...)
>
Or Amiga CD^32. Only $400, and soon expandable from a game console to a
full-fledged computer. :)
>To this day, I still watch Looney Toones :-)
>
As do I. Although seeing the recent annoying Loony Tunes shirts DOES incite
violent thoughts in me.
>-Rob
>pri...@netcom.com
--Carl Chavez, unpaid Amiga publicist :)
Carl Chavez
moralists didn't say a thing about the spelling of "Shodown!"
--Carl Chavez, English major who believes God shouldn't be capitalized
michael grisham
I agree. Blood or no blood, it's the best fighting game out.
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Ed Sayre
Odd that you should capitalize it in the 1st sentence then. :)
a-Dios! :)
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Philip John Stroffolino
Curious... Where did you get the above from? I know I've grabbed people
from pretty far with Z's ducking waist-grab submission move...
Also, are you sure that Ryu, Ken, Guile, and Chun Li all have about the
same throw range? While this may certainly be true of SF2 classic, I
think they've been tweaked significantly since. But what do I know...
Also, what about 'extended throw range?'
Phil
Mode
In article <93256.14...@CUNYVM.BITNET> Bladerunner <M5...@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
What with all this discussion, does a Japanese Neo Geo work with American
cartridges? My Sega has rejected foreign carts before...
from what i hear, yes. the big problem you have to worry about foriegn
carts seems to be the video format, as NTSC an PAL have problems on
opposing systems.
- jeremy
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"Naturally, sir, in the hope that reality, in return, will have a very weak
grasp of me."
-- Me
Dmitheon
As for Vega's throws being crap, it simply isn't true. His air throw
( not the bounce off the wall/corner) is suck. And it happens
so quickly, your opponent is occassionally left a bit offguard
trying to figure it out. You want an example: I was Blanka
I did a vertical ball ( roundhouse) half way up the Vega
player jumped at me, and met me at max height, and threw me out of
the ball. Ridiculous ? yes, but one of vega's saving graces.
You need only get use to him ( which not many people take
the time to do) . As for his ground throw range being shit,
I don't think it's nearly as bad as some people make it out to be.
to quote a friend of mine ( the one who threw me out of the ball),
" Vega has to be played wily " He's by no means a god, but he's
not nearly as bad as most think.
-Dmitri "Dmitheon" Lenna
Eugene Lee
Mode <hin...@aelle.cs.odu.edu> wrote:
>
>from what i hear, yes. the big problem you have to worry about foriegn
>carts seems to be the video format, as NTSC an PAL have problems on
>opposing systems.
Japan uses NTSC, just like the U.S.
No problem, unless you're using an RF converter.
^_^ "Ryoh-oh-ki" Lee "No matter where you spear,
l...@tamsun.tamu.edu my hide will find you!"
@tamrigel.BITNET
John Nishinaga
Philip John Stroffolino <ps...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> :Sagat
> :Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, Guile, Vega, Zangief (?)
> :M. Bison
> :Balrog
> :Blanka
> :Dhalsim
> :E. Honda
> :Zangief (w/ SPD)
>
> I know I've grabbed people from pretty far with Z's ducking waist-grab
> submission move...
SNES distance as a backup.
> Also, are you sure that Ryu, Ken, Guile, and Chun Li all have about the same
> throw range? While this may certainly be true of SF2 classic, I think
> they've been tweaked significantly since.
> Also, what about 'extended throw range?'
'extended throw range' on any version. That theory can be easily attributed
to motion blur.
--
John Nishinaga
jnis...@netcom.com
Ralph Barbagallo
I'm clad crap like this got censored. Is it really necessary to have red blood?
Is it really necessary for YOU to decide what I want to read, play,
watch, hear, etc? I don't think so. You may not want to see the blood, but
maybe I do. Instead of preventing EVERYONE from seeing what YOU don't want
to...then why don't YOU just don't buy the game and let the people who WANT
to buy it? Simple solution....
: Young kids are very impressionable. Consider the trade: You don't get
: to see red blood (ooooohhhh) or Young children getting exposed to excessive
: violence....
Sure, but I think all the kids sneaking in to see Jason Goes To Hell
see more gore than a few red pixels in a damn video game. I wouldn't call
it excessive either... it's not exactly realistic... it's almost comical.
Sure, some games are aimed at Adults and it SHOULD be that way, I don't want
every game to cater to 11 year olds.
:
: I am going to bye Neo_geo just because of this.
Well that's something I've never heard before... someone migrating
to a platform DUE to censorship!
Keith B Galocy
Does anyone know what it would take to convert current US NEO GEO's to
Japanese models? Could someone ask Chad? I'd be very interested in
a switch of sorts.
Keith
Seth James Killian
>> I know I've grabbed people from pretty far with Z's ducking waist-grab
>> submission move...
>
>You're probably right. I simply forgot how long it was so I just used the
>SNES distance as a backup.
I second the motion. All of Z's submission moves have a
longer range than his standard throws. About Bison level, maybe
even more.
>> Also, what about 'extended throw range?'
>
>There's nothing I have seen in my 2+ years that would sustain the so called
>'extended throw range' on any version. That theory can be easily attributed
>to motion blur.
Wait a minute. When I hear 'extended throwing range', I assume
they are referring to the seemingly unnatural distance from which you
can throw a character if he/she has stuck a limb out. This is most
definitely not motion blurring. By extending a limb, you broaden the
computers definition of 'you' to include that limb. Therefore, where
you might have been clearly out of range to throw Ryu's body, if he
does a roundhouse sweep, he brings 'himself' closer, and is thus able
to be thrown. I thought this was a widely known fact. Some of the
best ticks begin with fakes or mistimings to cajole the defender into
sticking out a limb to be thrown with no possibility of countering...
Seth Killian
stdn...@whscdp.whs.edu
> I'm clad crap like this got censored. Is it really necessary to have red blood?
> to see red blood (ooooohhhh) or Young children getting exposed to excessive
> violence....
>
>
YES, it is neccessary to have red blood. We are humans, at least since the
last time I checked, and we bleed RED blood not White. If we were klingons
we'd bleed purple, but humans blled red blood.
GOT IT!!!!!
Steph
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>Ralph A.Barbagallo III_Only AMIGA Makes it Possible!_nug...@genesis.nred.ma.us
>[ Amiga 4000/030, Amiga 500, Commodore 64, Atari 800XL, Atari 2600, 7800, ]
>[ Lynx, Sega Master System, Genesis, Game Gear, NES, SNES, Game Boy, NEO GEO]
>[ TurboGrafx-16/CDROM, Odyssey 500, ColecoVision, Vectrex, Intellivision... ]
>.***********
>.
Say it ain't so. I used to have to an Odyssey 2 way back when. The
thing with the huge tacky digitical keypad on it, that played weird
blocky games.. Wow.
Steph.
michael grisham
Our sweat however may be considered white, and that is why some of us,
while the idea of censorship bothers us, won't let it stop us from
enjoying a fantastic game.
Yup, I got it.
Mark Deitch
>There still hasn't been any serious study I have seen which positively
>correlates video game violence with real violence. Only studies by anti-TV/
>anti-video game groups claim this. I HAVE seen serious studies which show
>NO correlation, and I have even seen one study which shows a positive
>correlation between video game playing and improved social interaction.
>Now I'm sure that most of us, from the newest players to the Pong/Computer
>Space fans, don't have violent tendencies toward the common
>person walking down a street. I have personally been playing video games
>since I was 5 (in 1978) and have never committed a criminal act. I know
>others like me who don't get in trouble. Why must we pay for crimes committed
>by people who MAY ALREADY HAVE HAD CRIMINAL TENDENCIES due to other factors
>in their lives (toxic waste, parental abuse).
Yes, I agree with this in so far as most people over the age of about sixteen,
who are not criminally inclined, are not going to suddenly engage in
premeditated violence as a direct result of video games.
But, I do not think it so wise to be subjecting vivid images of rape, murder
and explicit violence to the impressionable, unstable, morally unaware,
minds of children.
Mortal Kombat is a good example. I have been in countless video stores where
Mortal Kombat is situated and have seen children as young as eight watching and
playing. Now, perhaps at the moment this is not too alarming, as the images are
not too realistic, but the way technology is heading, it may not be too far
in the future that it looks just like the real thing.
So we would have young children engaging in simulated mass destruction, murder
and horrific violence, in a virtual world, almost as true as the real one.
I know not of psychological or sociological studies in this field, but I would
postulate that taking part in realistic, simulated violence as entertainment
at an impressionable age, would most certainly lead to a moral acceptance of
these quite unacceptable acts.
Now, society has ratings on television, video and film, all of which show
graphic violence, in order to prevent the younger generation from witnessing
unnecessary violence. So why don't they rate video games? Make some places or
sections of the parlour for ages fifteen+ only?
The reason they will not is because of capitalism. The younger generation
constitutes a large portion of the video game market and with the increase
of violence on television, in movies, in music and in the real world, it
is a commodity too large for the gaming industries to ignore.
God help the world when the leaders of the super powers had blown up
the galaxy eight times before they were even ten.
Mark.
Tom Osborn
is very high, but (at least in Australia) the porno side of Vid games is
what the major critics push most readily. The odd (Hollywood?) notion that
violent responses are the normal way to progress through Vid games, most
west coast movies and maybe life, while most refined interaction between
agents (ie, other than de-capitation) is NOT the be worked at. Maybe it's
because sophisticated behaviour - like understanding what someone else is
on about - is too hard for Vid game designers (and Hollywood producers
and promo-heads). So the lcd rules, because it's easy...
TO
John Nishinaga
>
> >There's nothing I have seen in my 2+ years that would sustain the so called
> >'extended throw range' on any version. That theory can be easily
> >attributed to motion blur.
>
> Wait a minute. When I hear 'extended throwing range', I
> assume they are referring to the seemingly unnatural distance from
> which you can throw a character if he/she has stuck a limb out.
> This is most definitely not motion blurring. By extending a limb,
> you broaden the computers definition of 'you' to include that limb.
> Therefore, where you might have been clearly out of range to throw
> Ryu's body, if he does a roundhouse sweep, he brings 'himself'
> closer, and is thus able to be thrown.
A simple "proof": Have Ryu/Ryu stand just outside of each others throw range.
Have Ryu 1 attack with anything and have Ryu 2 reverse throw at any time
after (foward throw can accidentally scoot you into "normal" range).
You can try that a zillion times if you want, but you're not going to get any
throws. Trust me, it's motion blur.
--
John Nishinaga
jnis...@netcom.com
Chuck Cochems
/ jnis...@netcom.com (John Nishinaga) writes:
/ >> I know I've grabbed people from pretty far with Z's ducking waist-grab
/ >> submission move...
/ >
/ >You're probably right. I simply forgot how long it was so I just used the
/ >SNES distance as a backup.
/ I second the motion. All of Z's submission moves have a
/ longer range than his standard throws. About Bison level, maybe
/ even more.
/ >> Also, what about 'extended throw range?'
/ >
/ >There's nothing I have seen in my 2+ years that would sustain the so called
/ >'extended throw range' on any version. That theory can be easily attributed
/ >to motion blur.
/
/ Wait a minute. When I hear 'extended throwing range', I assume
/ they are referring to the seemingly unnatural distance from which you
/ can throw a character if he/she has stuck a limb out. This is most
/ definitely not motion blurring. By extending a limb, you broaden the
/ computers definition of 'you' to include that limb. Therefore, where
/ you might have been clearly out of range to throw Ryu's body, if he
/ does a roundhouse sweep, he brings 'himself' closer, and is thus able
/ to be thrown. I thought this was a widely known fact. Some of the
/ best ticks begin with fakes or mistimings to cajole the defender into
/ sticking out a limb to be thrown with no possibility of countering...
Hey. Extended throw range is simly what it seems to be. when you charge
forward for a second at least, your throw range increases. You ALL must
have had the experience of someone with "puny" throw range just running
up and throwing you before they get within your throw range. The act of
holding the joystick forward ups your throw range as long as you walk
forward. This is why the sonic boom tick works. If guile presses throw
the instant you go out of block mode, he WILL get you, even if he is out
of YOUR throw range.
--
zap...@camelot.bradley.edu
"The answer is...42!"--Deep Thought.
Brian Cuocci
: But, I do not think it so wise to be subjecting vivid images of rape, murder
: and explicit violence to the impressionable, unstable, morally unaware,
: minds of children.
Pardon me, sir, since you seem to be infinitely more knowledgeable than
I, but in what video game have you ever seen a graphic image of rape?
Or even any non-graphics image of rape, for that matter?
BPC
JP...@psuvm.psu.edu
Well, there's at least the old Atari 2600 game 'Custer's Last Stand',
(or 'Custer's Revenge' or something like that...) which had, as one of its
goals, raping a Native American woman who was tied to a stake. In fact, I was
surprised to see a screen-shot of just this very thing in the latest Video
Games (October '93, p.14). This I do find objectionable. It's really beyond
the boundaries of taste or humor. However, I am also bothered by SNK's
censoring of Samurai Shodown. The graphic violence in that and similar games
is too exaggerated to be taken seriously, is much more tame and unrealistic
than prime-time TV, and anyway, it's just a game!
Rape is not something to joke about, but I wouldn't be for government-
sponsored cesorship of that in video games either. I would just hope that
no one would be senseless enough to produce or buy the stuff.
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Philosophy, Penn State everyone else. Think consistently. - Kant, CoJ
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Teh Kao Yang
>Mark Deitch (mdde...@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote:
> Pardon me, sir, since you seem to be infinitely more knowledgeable than
>I, but in what video game have you ever seen a graphic image of rape?
>
> Or even any non-graphics image of rape, for that matter?
Well, rape-the-tied-up-teenage-schoolgirl computer games seem to be the most
popular ones in Japan. Not that
I've played any of them, of course, I just know they exist. :)
-TK
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>In article <27lej4$p...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, bcu...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Brian
>Cuocci) says:
>>
>>Mark Deitch (mdde...@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote:
>>
>>: But, I do not think it so wise to be subjecting vivid images of rape, murder
>>: and explicit violence to the impressionable, unstable, morally unaware,
>>: minds of children.
>>
>>
>> Pardon me, sir, since you seem to be infinitely more knowledgeable than
>>I, but in what video game have you ever seen a graphic image of rape?
>>
>> Or even any non-graphics image of rape, for that matter?
>>
>> BPC
> Well, there's at least the old Atari 2600 game 'Custer's Last Stand',
>(or 'Custer's Revenge' or something like that...) which had, as one of its
>goals, raping a Native American woman who was tied to a stake. In fact, I was
>surprised to see a screen-shot of just this very thing in the latest Video
>Games (October '93, p.14). This I do find objectionable. It's really beyond
>the boundaries of taste or humor. However, I am also bothered by SNK's
>censoring of Samurai Shodown. The graphic violence in that and similar games
>is too exaggerated to be taken seriously, is much more tame and unrealistic
>than prime-time TV, and anyway, it's just a game!
> Rape is not something to joke about, but I wouldn't be for government-
>sponsored cesorship of that in video games either. I would just hope that
>no one would be senseless enough to produce or buy the stuff.
Listen freak, get a life. We're all talking about fricken video games here.
Ben.
E. Kontei
> <JP...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >In article <27lej4$p...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, bcu...@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Brian
> >Cuocci) says:
> >>Mark Deitch (mdde...@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote:
> >>
> >>: But, I do not think it so wise to be subjecting vivid images of rape,
> >>: murder and explicit violence to the impressionable, unstable, morally
> >>: unaware, minds of children.
> >>
> >> Pardon me, sir, since you seem to be infinitely more knowledgeable than
> >>I, but in what video game have you ever seen a graphic image of rape?
>
> >(or 'Custer's Revenge' or something like that...) which had, as one of its
> >goals, raping a Native American woman who was tied to a stake.
>
Yes, we are. Your point?
--
E n r i q u e C o n t y
"He's a playful fellow who draws attention just by walking down the street"
co...@cbnewsl.att.com jes...@ihlpm.att.com
Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
Henry So Jr.
castrated... However, I missed the original article (or set of articles)
describing exactly how. So as not to waste any more bandwidth, could some
kind soul please mail me the original article or a summary of how the
game is been castrated?
Thanks...
Henry
Jeb Buford Lee
>Listen freak, get a life. We're all talking about fricken video games here.
>Ben
Listen Mr Hayek what are you talking about ? yes we are talking
about video games ! are you telling me that video games are
not important ??? the next thing you will proabbly say is
that people on this news net dont look like the typical asian
guy or that this news net is not like the real world !!! you
boofoologous !
.
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00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
crime rate is nearly non-exsistant, and so is their sexual assalt (including
rape). Just to think they have games like that with a record like that
you would believe that it would be worst than America. I mean here, we
are censoring everything (violence, rape, sex, etc.) and our violence and
rape records are one of the highest in the world...(Japan has one of the
lowest). Japan has sex, nudity (alittle), and sexual intentions in
their daily cartoon shows too. They're as funny as hell, and the kids
love them.
If any of you figured this out yet, children are smarter than they
look and they know the difference between reality and games/cartoons(fiction).
Some of you just need to open your minds (just ALITTLE). By the way,
France has a lot of sex in their society too, and their crime rate is
low compared to America's. Then again French can't fight (ie. WWII, hahaha).
-KGB
ps-for those French people, it was just a history joke, no flaming for it...
James Elkinton
Custer's Revenge rings a bell.....
Tim Hartley
>> Well, rape-the-tied-up-teenage-schoolgirl computer games seem to be the most
>> popular ones in Japan. Not that
>> I've played any of them, of course, I just know they exist. :)
>>
>> -TK
>It is interesting that you mention what the Japanese do...since their
>crime rate is nearly non-exsistant, and so is their sexual assalt (including
>rape). Just to think they have games like that with a record like that
>you would believe that it would be worst than America. I mean here, we
>are censoring everything (violence, rape, sex, etc.) and our violence and
>rape records are one of the highest in the world...(Japan has one of the
>lowest).
That's an interesting assertion. Until recently, the US had rather
low rape statistics too, in line with much of the world. But following
the sexual revolution, rape statistics have gone up. Some groups claim
this is a form of backlash, but a large and credible group claim that
much of the increase is simply due to increased reporting of rape
as it becomes less a stigma against the victim.
I believe it was on CBS' 60 Minutes that I saw a lengthy story on sexism
in Japan, a large section of which was a talk with a woman who runs
a women's advocacy program, including a women's shelter, in Japan.
She claims that the institutionalized sexism of Japan, as evidenced
by the graphic violence against women in movies and comic books,
extends into law enforcement, such that women are unwilling to report
rape and abuse, just as women in the US were reluctant to report abuse
previous to the seventies. She asserts as well that the social stigma
against the victim is still strong, whereas there is little stigma
against the perpetrator. She claimed to have stories of sexual abuse
of women at the hands of the police. Altogether, I'm not surprised the
reported rape statistics are so low. Bear in mind also that women's
advocacy groups in the US claim that, optimisticly, in the US only one
in four rapes is reported, and of those reported fewer than one in ten
is prosecutable.
Timothy Hartley
Sergey Shimkevich
>Bear in mind also that women's
>advocacy groups in the US claim that, optimisticly, in the US only one
>in four rapes is reported, and of those reported fewer than one in ten
>is prosecutable.
I am pretty sure that their numbers are too high (all interest groups have a
somewhat creative approach to statistics :-), but this is not the news.group
to discuss the subject, anyway.
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Steph
>.
So I suppose you would object to Leisure Suit Larry also? I do not
think rape is funny at all, far from it. But, on the other hand,
I can't help but think that if it's not okay to show sex (is
rape sex? I don't think it's the point anyway), then why should
violence be tolerated?
I guess it's true -- you can show people getting decapitated,
maimed, all in good humours, but you cannot, humour or not,
show people naked. Gee.
Which is more natural?
(and I'm *not* saying rape is natural!!)
Steph.
michael grisham
Very true. And it makes you wonder how many voiceless victims there are
in Japan, as well as other countries. In America we have acknowledged the
problem, and women are coming forward at alarming rates, but what if
anything have we done about it.
I don't think that making video games with rape and violence are helping
the problems, but I also don't know to what degree they are causing these
problems to persist.
Have we gotten too serious, some of you may ask. I don't know. But I think
it's good that some gamers also have a conscience, and saying something as
infinitely stupid as "Well it's just a game", is as bad as someone saying
"it's just a gun."
Sorry folks, let's set those phasers back on FUN!
Bladerunner
i.e. Every goddamned war, like, ever.
Took a damned Italian to whip them into anything remotely useful...
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>bha...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Benjamin Louis Hayek) writes:
>>Listen freak, get a life. We're all talking about fricken video games here.
>>Ben
> Listen Mr Hayek what are you talking about ? yes we are talking
> about video games ! are you telling me that video games are
> not important ??? the next thing you will proabbly say is
> that people on this news net dont look like the typical asian
> guy or that this news net is not like the real world !!! you
> boofoologous !
Listen Mr. Freak, what are you talking about? Do you even know
what we're talking about? Are you just totally stupid, or what?
If you don't start making sense, I'll have John beat you up at
the arcade. I love it when he makes you cry...
Ben.
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>In <1993Sep21.230022.22378@bsu-ucs> 00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
What the hell are you doing? Do you play Sf2? Do you even know what
Street Fighter is? Post this somewhere else. If it's not related to
SF2, it shouldn't be here.
Ben.
>Timothy Hartley
Jeb Buford Lee
> Ben.
Listen you dork i'm not afraid of you john might throw
me around but then you cant do anything...and i'm better
than you too !
E. Kontei
>
> Listen Mr. Freak, what are you talking about? Do you even know
> what we're talking about? Are you just totally stupid, or what?
> If you don't start making sense, I'll have John beat you up at
> the arcade. I love it when he makes you cry...
Folks, I think this counts as anecdotal evidence of the
harm violent videogames can do to a person's mind... B-)
[Follow-ups to me. No need to keep cluttering the net.]
Benjamin Louis Hayek
> Listen you dork i'm not afraid of you john might throw
> me around but then you cant do anything...and i'm better
> than you too !
Oh, I'm really scared now. Gee, you really know how to intimidate
someone. And by the way, take your crappy Ken and shove him you
know where. Everyone knows he's useless in HF.
Ben.
> Lord Baal....
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Ahh, yes, yes, 60 Mins...good show. I used to watch that show quite
a bit (like really like Andy Rouny (sp?)). I know how much goes on
unreported in Japan, like the US. I had discussed this with someone
else on the net (privately), and as I told him, I've got this
hobby like facination with Japanese culture. But aside from that,
I have to point out a mistake that you had; I said VIOLENCE and rape, not
just rape as you put it, which will easily put the US on the top ten list
(just a cliche). If you reeeaaally want statistics then I will get them,
but be forwarned, I reeeeaaally don't like research...
BTW, my flame was off two days ago.
-KGB, a person who knows much too much useless stuff, well, almost useless.
michael grisham
Cool, we've got brain surgeons on the net.
MG
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>Cool, we've got brain surgeons on the net.
Cool, we've got very original and humorous people on the net.
Ben.
Kenichiro Tanaka
user 00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.ed writes:
>[...]
>hobby like facination with Japanese culture. But aside from that,
>I have to point out a mistake that you had; I said VIOLENCE and rape, not
>just rape as you put it, which will easily put the US on the top ten list
>(just a cliche).
Just wondering--exactly what is a non-violent rape?
Ken
Benjamin Louis Hayek
Just wondering--exactly what kind of violence does not include some form
of rape?
William Fang
Colonol Custer's Last Stand on the old Atari 2600 systems. Bash Indians,
hump their women.
- Jim
Aymerik Renard
Shodown has bee.. by Blade...@CUNYVM.CUNY.
>
> i.e. Every goddamned war, like, ever.
>
> Took a damned Italian to whip them into anything remotely useful...
What the HELL are you talking about? It isn't referenced to anything,
and has nothing to do with the header, or with video games in any vague
way. Shove it onto netnews.military.pointless-slams-without-foundation.
OB SS Ref: With talk of the blood-less home version, has anyone bought
it yet? Is it actually out?
Philip John Stroffolino
>Kenichiro Tanaka <kt...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
How about a rock from outer space smashing into your head, Ben?
- FIL
ronstedt john q.
>Benjamin H. writes:
>>Kenichiro Tanaka <kt...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
Uh, earth to fil. EARTH TO FIL. He was making a point, moron.
>- FIL
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
I'll admit, violence is a pretty broad term, and putting it with rape
makes the term confusing. My mistake. I should have used only the term
violence and let the reader interperate (sp?) it, and ASSuME that rape is
included, since the subject was about (sorta) rape.
BTW- an example of a non-violent rape is a Date Rape, heard of it? Ya
want more examples, Mr. "I can't think on my own"?
-KGB
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Good point, very good point. Are we leaving the subject here? Aaah, who
cares...
spola...@cobra.uni.edu
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>Benjamin H. writes:
>>Kenichiro Tanaka <kt...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
It seems, Phil, that you did not understand my response, but I assure you
that it makes complete sense. You see, I just used a very interesting
technique called sarcasm. Look it up in your dictionary and read my post
over and over again until you realize what I'm trying to say, you moron.
Ben.
>- FIL
Philip John Stroffolino
>>>>>just rape as you put it, which will easily put the US on the top ten list
>>>>>(just a cliche).
>>>>Just wondering--exactly what is a non-violent rape?
>>>Just wondering--exactly what kind of violence does not include
>>>some form of rape?
>>How about a rock from outer space smashing into your head, Ben?
>It seems, Phil, that you did not understand my response,
>but I assure you that it makes complete sense. You see,
>I just used a very interesting technique called sarcasm.
>Look it up in your dictionary and read my post over and
>over again until you realize what I'm trying to say, you
>moron.
>Ben.
Ben, I know full well you were mocking Ken's reply with sarcasm with
your "witty" little comment.
However, anyone who trivializes the trauma of rape (or encourages the
notion that there is such a thing as a "non-violent rape") ought to
reassess their value system.
Phil "moron" Stroffolino
Kenichiro Tanaka
user 00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.ed writes:
>BTW- an example of a non-violent rape is a Date Rape, heard of it? Ya
>want more examples, Mr. "I can't think on my own"?
Well then, have you ever really thought about what the term "rape" or
"date rape" means? While not all rape involves beating, stabbing,
shooting, etc, the very act of forcing sex on a woman is violent. If you
disagree (and you're not a woman) imagine being held down and having a
pipe shoved up your butt and try to tell me that isn't violent.
And there's no reason to resort to insults, you know, I was just
disagreeing with something you said.
Ken
Dave Rooth
There may still be time to stop the censoring of SS. Write to SNK! I will
get the address and post it.
Remember, the did change in the past, due to customer dissatisfaction (remember
games that had unlimited continues .. now they don't because people wrote in).
WRITE SNK!
ronstedt john q.
Philip John Stroffolino
>>Well then, have you ever really thought about what the term "rape" or
>>"date rape" means? While not all rape involves beating, stabbing,
>>shooting, etc, the very act of forcing sex on a woman is violent.
>>[...]
Ficus Kirkpatrick
What the hell does any of this have to do with Samurai Shodown?
If you people don't like the damn game, go to the arcade and play it, and
SHUT THE F*CK UP!
please.
*ficus-k.*
--
Ficus Kirkpatrick -- Exotic Fruit Import Specialties -- Spokane, WA
Manly, yes, but Beavis likes him too!
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
No, Ken, I'm not going to insult you. In fact, in my opinion (of course), I
haven't insulted anyone (except maybe one). All I state are my opinions and
a few facts. I also point out peoples mistakes. That's it!
I'm glad that you have your opinion, as I have mine (you don't know if I'm
not a woman). I'll just point out that I'm using the term "violent" in
the text book sense (called a dictionary), for future reference, of course.
--KGB
michael grisham
There's a place called Alt.Zitfaced.braindead.clueless. Why don't
you guys FIND it! Or just simply shut the hell up.
ronstedt john q.
First of all, I was not saying that "the act of forcing sex" was not
violent. You implied that "rape" meant that the perpetrator forces
sex on the victim; I was merely pointing out that this is not always
the case. Second of all, the act of forcing sex on a woman is not
necessarily violent. You seem to be using some definition of violent
that none of us know of, so please enlighten us. I use a standard
english dictionary, how about you?
JP...@psuvm.psu.edu
In article <289tfd$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, pri...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ronstedt
john q.) says:
> [..stuff deleted...] the act of forcing sex on a woman is not
>necessarily violent. You seem to be using some definition of violent
>that none of us know of, so please enlighten us. I use a standard
>english dictionary, how about you?
>
The fact that you are entirely clueless is attested to by the first
sentence above. Even if the dictionary were enough to determine which actions
are violent and which are not, every dictionary definition of violence that I
have seen mentions force as one of the determining characteristics. If rape
means intercourse without mutual consent, then no rape is non-violent. The
reason statutory rape is a special case is because our court-system assumes
that persons of a certain age are not yet capable of truly consenting to
certain acts. I would be willing to accept that some cases of statutory rape
would therefore not necessarily involve violence in the ordinary sense of
the term. However, such cases may nonetheless involve a violation (note the
root) of the child's trust in adults to make decisions in their best interests.
This is why statutory rape is illegal.
I must say that the level of discourse in this thread has deteriorated
to the point of total inanity, so that I feel foolish even responding to the
kind of moronic drivel that has appeared here (e.g. as in the above post and
similar ones by other equally clueless users). However, as someone who takes
these issues seriously, I felt I could no longer stand idly by. I have tried
to make my post constructive. If you feel you must respond, please do
likewise, otherwise, let's get back to discussing video-games.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Emmer Think for yourself. Think from the standpoint of
Philosophy, Penn State everyone else. Think consistently. - Kant, CoJ
JP...@psuvm.psu.edu (Spontaneity, Universality, Consistency)
-------- The Emmer Arcade: Amiga 1200, Genesis, Sega CD, SNES, Vectrex --------
Dave Rooth
Write to SNK! There is still time to have them change the game!!!
This is proven with the unlimited continues problem that older NG games had
before people complained enough for them to take it out.
I will get the address, or someone can post it up. WRITE NOW!! Before it's toolate!!
da...@cad.ucla.edu
NeoGeo Busts OUt!
Kenichiro Tanaka
user michael grisham@launchpa writes:
>>[...]
>There's a place called Alt.Zitfaced.braindead.clueless. Why don't
>you guys FIND it! Or just simply shut the hell up.
I looked for this group but couldn't find it. It's strange because I
thought all the alt groups were accesible from our school. The closest
thing I could find was alt.zima, a group for discussing the new malt
beverage.
Should I talk to my admin?
Ob Shodown: people have been talking about how cheap Earthquake is but
can't just about any character be played super-defensively? There isn't
too much of this anymore but when we first got our machine, a lot of
people would just sit in the corner doing nothing. What do you do
against someone like that? Besides just sitting there yourself and
seeing who can bore the other to death.
Ken
Miguel Santana
It is getting pretty pretty old.
Philip John Stroffolino
>First of all, I was not saying that "the act of forcing sex" was not
>violent. You implied that "rape" meant that the perpetrator forces
>sex on the victim; I was merely pointing out that this is not always
>the case. Second of all, the act of forcing sex on a woman is not
>necessarily violent. You seem to be using some definition of violent
>that none of us know of, so please enlighten us. I use a standard
>english dictionary, how about you?
If you force yourself into a woman when she isn't ready, you will hurt
her physically. Men and women aren't built for penetration on demand,
especially not when they are pinned down and afraid (regardless of
whether the rapist is a stranger or a supposed friend, BTW).
Tearing and bruising the lining of someone's vagina or anus sounds
pretty violent to me. If I forcefully twist someone's wrist until it
breaks, isn't that a violent act? Must I strike someone in the face
before my action qualifies as being "violent?"
I don't have a dictionary in front of me, but would be surprised if
having consentual sex with willing underage persons comes to mind when
most people hear the word "rape."
Sorry to all who are angry at the existance of this unrelated thread.
I will not respond to it again, unless someone wishes to send me email
(though I'd rather no one did)...
ObSS:
Personally, I think that Samarai Shodown has a lot to offer, regardless
of whether the blood is red. I didn't even notice the slicing in half
and blood gushing out (being acclimatized to MK, no doubt ^_^) until it
was pointed out to me. If I had a Neo-Geo, I'd buy this game, whether
or not it had blood, and wouldn't really care one way or another.
On the other hand, I agree with those who expect an identical arcade
translation - after all, isn't that what the Neo-Geo home system is
for...?
I also don't understand why they felt like censoring it in the first place...
Also, didn't someone mention that SNK is reconsidering censoring it?
Phil
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
(Kinda gets boring anyways).
-KGB
ronstedt john q.
>JQR writes:
>>First of all, I was not saying that "the act of forcing sex" was not
>>violent. You implied that "rape" meant that the perpetrator forces
>>sex on the victim; I was merely pointing out that this is not always
>>the case. Second of all, the act of forcing sex on a woman is not
>>necessarily violent. You seem to be using some definition of violent
>>that none of us know of, so please enlighten us. I use a standard
>>english dictionary, how about you?
>If you force yourself into a woman when she isn't ready, you will hurt
>her physically. Men and women aren't built for penetration on demand,
>especially not when they are pinned down and afraid (regardless of
>whether the rapist is a stranger or a supposed friend, BTW).
Thanks for the anatomy lesson... There are ways around that little
problem. Just admit that you are wrong.
Eric Thomas Pronko
Shodown has bee.. Dave Ro...@Avian.CAD.UCL (330)
> I will get the address, or someone can post it up. WRITE NOW!! Before
> it's toolate!!
um, how can we write now when you don't have the adress now? :P
eric
"hey, i didn't order any tax!"
"sylvia, i can't believe you're having an affair!"
"well you know, being a cow is a recessive trait"
un03...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
The difference being that if you get in on any other character
let you get that close. Earthquake is unthrowable, so all he has to do
is sit there and the only damage you can do is the 'ticks' taken off by
special moves.
Chuck
.sig? What's a .sig?
un03...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
> In article <ogeBrWa00WBO8E93x=@andrew.cmu.edu>, Kenichiro Tanaka <kt...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> On 28-Sep-93 in Re: Samurai Shodown has bee..
>> user michael grisham@launchpa writes:
>>
>> Ob Shodown: people have been talking about how cheap Earthquake is but
>> can't just about any character be played super-defensively? There isn't
>> too much of this anymore but when we first got our machine, a lot of
>> people would just sit in the corner doing nothing. What do you do
>> against someone like that? Besides just sitting there yourself and
>> seeing who can bore the other to death.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>
> The difference being that if you get in on any other character
> is sit there and the only damage you can do is the 'ticks' taken off by
> special moves.
>
> Chuck
> .sig? What's a .sig?
That's what it's supposed to read as
Ficus Kirkpatrick
> Can we please stop this thread? It has nothing to do with Samurai Shodown.
>
> It is getting pretty pretty old.
Yeah. And what does Samurai Shodown have to do w/ SFII (besides the
fact they're both fighting games.) ?????
William Fang
[...]
: >>>Just wondering--exactly what is a non-violent rape?
:
: >>Just wondering--exactly what kind of violence does not include
: >>some form of rape?
:
: >How about a rock from outer space smashing into your head, Ben?
:
: It seems, Phil, that you did not understand my response, but I assure you
: that it makes complete sense. You see, I just used a very interesting
: technique called sarcasm. Look it up in your dictionary and read my post
: over and over again until you realize what I'm trying to say, you moron.
Sarcasm doesn't work too well on the net, as we assume that the poster
is as stupid as his/her posting.
- Jim
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>Sarcasm doesn't work too well on the net, as we assume that the poster
>is as stupid as his/her posting.
Listen freak, you may think that, but that doesn't mean that everyone
thinks that. What are you, a boofooloogous or something? Why don't
you go home or something?
Ben.
>- Jim
michael grisham
No, but I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of you and your
boyfriend Jim's verbal jabbing. Take it somehwere else pinhead.
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>No, but I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of you and your
>boyfriend Jim's verbal jabbing. Take it somehwere else pinhead.
Hey fuckhead, um, talk about verbal jabbing, what the hell are you doing?
And as to taking it somewhere else, why don't you go first, and I'll follow
your lead? You are the utmost freakish boofooloogous.
Ben.
michael grisham
>Michael...@launchpad.unc.edu (michael grisham) writes:
>
>>No, but I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of you and your
>>boyfriend Jim's verbal jabbing. Take it somehwere else pinhead.
>
>Hey fuckhead, um, talk about verbal jabbing, what the hell are you doing?
>And as to taking it somewhere else, why don't you go first, and I'll follow
>your lead? You are the utmost freakish boofooloogous.
>Ben.
>
Oooooo good comeback brainiac!
Sorry to the rest of you folks forced to read this BS. I won't acknowledge
the little pukes posts again.
Sorry,
Jeb Buford Lee
>: It seems, Phil, that you did not understand my response, but I assure you
>: that it makes complete sense. You see, I just used a very interesting
>: technique called sarcasm. Look it up in your dictionary and read my post
>: over and over again until you realize what I'm trying to say, you moron.
>Sarcasm doesn't work too well on the net, as we assume that the poster
>is as stupid as his/her posting.
Listen you boofoologi chinkius wupius cippius.... sarcasm
works just fine on the net...what are you a freak or something ?
>- Jim
ronstedt john q.
>In article <28f090$a...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> bha...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Benjamin Louis Hayek) writes:
>>Michael...@launchpad.unc.edu (michael grisham) writes:
>>
>>>No, but I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of you and your
>>>boyfriend Jim's verbal jabbing. Take it somehwere else pinhead.
>>
>>Hey fuckhead, um, talk about verbal jabbing, what the hell are you doing?
>>And as to taking it somewhere else, why don't you go first, and I'll follow
>>your lead? You are the utmost freakish boofooloogous.
>>Ben.
>>
>Oooooo good comeback brainiac!
>Sorry to the rest of you folks forced to read this BS. I won't acknowledge
>the little pukes posts again.
>Sorry,
>MG
Oooooo good comeback brainiac!
Justin C. Hogue
>int...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
>
>>Sarcasm doesn't work too well on the net, as we assume that the poster
>>is as stupid as his/her posting.
>
>Listen freak, you may think that, but that doesn't mean that everyone
>thinks that. What are you, a boofooloogous or something? Why don't
>you go home or something?
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ahhhh--I'm still crying from laughing SOO HARD at the memories stupid
insults like this bring back (sandboxes, cooties, hating girls).
When did Kindergardens get internet access?
--Jowfus (ho...@cs.arizona.edu)
| --- \\ "They just kept killing and killing and killing until
--|-- --- / / it wasn't about fun anymore, it was just about killing"
/ | \ / --Bathroom wall, Social Sciences building
| / University of Arizona
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>Benjamin Louis Hayek <bha...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>int...@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
>>
>>>Sarcasm doesn't work too well on the net, as we assume that the poster
>>>is as stupid as his/her posting.
>>
>>Listen freak, you may think that, but that doesn't mean that everyone
>>thinks that. What are you, a boofooloogous or something? Why don't
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>>you go home or something?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> Ahhhh--I'm still crying from laughing SOO HARD at the memories stupid
>insults like this bring back (sandboxes, cooties, hating girls).
> When did Kindergardens get internet access?
Well, isn't is obvious that I was really trying to insult him? I was
trying to write something that this freak could relate to.
Ben.
Benjamin Louis Hayek
>Oooooo good comeback brainiac!
>Sorry to the rest of you folks forced to read this BS. I won't acknowledge
>the little pukes posts again.
>Sorry,
>MG
Oh Mikey, you are my idol. You are such a manly man. I'm sure everyone
looks up to you. Listen freak, look at where you're posting for a sec.
alt.games.sf2
Um, why don't you just take a little look in the mirror and ask, would
my mommy be proud of me now? I don't think so. It's a fucking video
game, you freak. Stop acting like it not.
Ben.
ronstedt john q.
>In article <289tfd$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, pri...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ronstedt
>john q.) says:
>> [..stuff deleted...] the act of forcing sex on a woman is not
>>necessarily violent. You seem to be using some definition of violent
>>that none of us know of, so please enlighten us. I use a standard
>>english dictionary, how about you?
>>
> The fact that you are entirely clueless is attested to by the first
>sentence above. Even if the dictionary were enough to determine which actions
>are violent and which are not, every dictionary definition of violence that I
>have seen mentions force as one of the determining characteristics. If rap
So, if we are playing tennis, and I force you to make a mistake, that is
violent?
00k...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
> In article <28f090$a...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> bha...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Benjamin Louis Hayek) writes:
>>Michael...@launchpad.unc.edu (michael grisham) writes:
>>
>>>No, but I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of you and your
>>>boyfriend Jim's verbal jabbing. Take it somehwere else pinhead.
>>Hey fuckhead, um, talk about verbal jabbing, what the hell are you doing?
>>And as to taking it somewhere else, why don't you go first, and I'll follow
>>your lead? You are the utmost freakish boofooloogous.
>>
>
> Oooooo good comeback brainiac!
> ^^^^^^^^
> Sorry to the rest of you folks forced to read this BS. I won't acknowledge
> the little pukes posts again.
> Sorry,
> MG
>
Listen guys, there is no need of the pointless insults. If you want to just
insult each other, just use the E-mail system. Really, most of use don't
care to listen you this.
BTW- all of you guys should use the "Sticks and stones..." philosophy.
-KGB