Alt.games.sf2 PPL Have Issues!-->LONG!!!
LazyJae
is one of the Best SF games in the world. You PPL are Still stuck on SFA2 or
SFA3 they are good and all that I play them both.
but..........
SF3:2I is alot better This game makes you think.
It makes you stop and think should I dash at them and then do the universal
overhead or should I do this or this.. ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3 oh
let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW. Yeah it
takes alot skill to do that. Karin she puts you in the corner and then breaks
your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K, then the
Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid enough
to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz then they
start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of the GAME
SUCKS.
In 2I you have to know more than a cheap Juggle You have to parry the Attack at
the right moment and then unleash a combo that will work at that situation. U
have to have good defense to Parry at the right moment. And then good enough
Skill to put your enemy away. And since you PPL can't do that ya think Parrys
suck. If U don't like em don't Use em' DUHHHHHH!
I've also witnessed this guy he was a Parry Master and NICE with Yun. And then
this guy came in he did'nt Parry not once and he beat the Shit out of him.
Using SEAN the man. Well don't flame me. I am telling all ya how I feel Wether
U like it or not. I don't give a FUCK. This is not scrub talk or nothing take
it how ever U want coz I still don't give a fuck!
JaE:mx-SFX-http://maximum.gamespage.com
Jinston
Sorry, I have to flame you. You're a total idiot. You haven't read
anything we've said. We hate parries because we're GOOD at them, not 'cause
we don't know how to use them. And your Yun, Sean game. That's total
bullshit. If this guy using Yun was a Parry Master, then he'd have gotten a
perfect. As in NO DAMAGE WHAT SO EVER! You don't know jack about what
you're talking about. Parry Master means that a guy can parry anything and
everything. Parries are easy you dumb fuck. Too easy. That's our problem
with it. LazyJae, you ARE lazy. You obviously haven't read our hundreds of
posts complaining about parries. You just read the subject and assumed
where lame ass scrubs like you who don't know how to parry for jack! Stop
posting shit like this you ass hole! And learn how to spell. It's Parries.
IDIOT. Juggling in A3 takes much more timing and skill than parrying.
Jinston
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Chocobo
> Bahaha! I've never seen anyone complain about Karin being over-powered
> before.
Really? I wonder why not. Karin with a full meter and an opponent in the corner
= 50% life gone for the opponent.
Ultima
>
> >Jinston write:
[crap deleted]
> > As in NO DAMAGE WHAT SO EVER! You don't know jack about what
> >you're talking about
> I know what I am talking. U may play in scrubville but here in NY PPL have skillz. wether the West coast players are better so what your not included in that statement. (I don't know if your on the west or not)
Great. Just when I thought the East Coast had sufficiently rebuilt it's
reputation to a decent skill level, along comes this guy to fuck it up
for everybody. Thanks a lot you ignorant punk.
Note: This guy does NOT reflect the average attitude of the East Coast
player (regardless of whether any EC player agrees with him or not; most
of us have more class than this).
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Chocobo wrote in message <36D1F451...@mindspring.com>...
<snip 2I is the greatest game in the world>
ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3
>> oh
>> >let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW.
Yeah
>> it
>> >takes alot skill to do that. Karin she puts you in the corner and then
>> breaks
>> >your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K,
then
>> the
>> >Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid
>> enough
>> >to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz
then
>> they
>> >start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of
the
>> GAME
>> >SUCKS.
>>
>> Bahaha! I've never seen anyone complain about Karin being over-powered
>> before.
>
>Really? I wonder why not. Karin with a full meter and an opponent in the
corner
>= 50% life gone for the opponent.
>
Yeah, and that's the kicker. People would know this if they played as her or
played against someone good. Where are all the Karin players at? =)
King Kung
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote in crayon:
>U so called SF Masters have tons of issues that ya need to get checked. SF3:2I
>is one of the Best SF games in the world. You PPL are Still stuck on SFA2 or
>SFA3 they are good and all that I play them both.
>
>but..........
>
>SF3:2I is alot better This game makes you think.
>It makes you stop and think should I dash at them and then do the universal
>overhead or should I do this or this.. ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3 oh
>let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW. Yeah it
>takes alot skill to do that. Karin she puts you in the corner and then breaks
>your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K, then the
>Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid enough
>to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz then they
>start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of the GAME
>SUCKS.
>
>In 2I you have to know more than a cheap Juggle You have to parry the Attack at
>the right moment and then unleash a combo that will work at that situation. U
>have to have good defense to Parry at the right moment. And then good enough
>Skill to put your enemy away. And since you PPL can't do that ya think Parrys
>suck. If U don't like em don't Use em' DUHHHHHH!
>
>I've also witnessed this guy he was a Parry Master and NICE with Yun. And then
>this guy came in he did'nt Parry not once and he beat the Shit out of him.
>Using SEAN the man. Well don't flame me. I am telling all ya how I feel Wether
>U like it or not. I don't give a FUCK. This is not scrub talk or nothing take
>it how ever U want coz I still don't give a fuck!
1) That's not a long post. Really.
2) Read up on stuff. You may have your opinions, but get the facts
straight: there is very little balance in the game (Ibuki and Yun
alone win almost outright if played correctly) and Parrying can be
abbused way too much. The only thing that I don't agree about is when
people knock the graphics. I like that part, actually, animation-wise
(it gets far to pixelated when the screen zooms in, though...)
3) You are not a happy person.
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to do."
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LazyJae
>Sorry, I have to flame you. You're a total idiot.
Me Being an IDIOT=Negative.
>You haven't read
>anything we've said.
I have and I take it all into consideration.
Jinston->We hate parries because we're GOOD at them,= Negative
->Yun, Sean is a reality U can mail this kid and ask him ado...@netscape.net
and find out for yourself ASS-HOLE. I got the FACTS Dickhead.
>If this guy using Yun was a Parry Master, then he'd have gotten a
>perfect
It did'nt happen.
> As in NO DAMAGE WHAT SO EVER! You don't know jack about what
>you're talking about
I know what I am talking. U may play in scrubville but here in NY PPL have
skillz. wether the West coast players are better so what your not included in
that statement. (I don't know if your on the west or not)
>Parry Master means that a guy can parry anything and
>everything
Your right. But I guess his parry was off for those 5 fights. Becoz before the
Sean Player played The Parry master was on a 26 game win streak.
> Parries are easy you dumb fuck
I know STUPID!
>You obviously haven't read our hundreds of
>posts complaining about parries
Your Right I juz got here.
>You just read the subject and assumed
>where lame ass scrubs like you who don't know how to parry for jack
As for me being a SCRUB is a big negative.
>Stop
>posting shit like this you ass hole! And learn how to spell. It's Parries
Ok Parries.
>Jinston--> Isn't Jinston the Big ass-hole in here?
Onaje Everett
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> U so called SF Masters have tons of issues that ya need to get checked. SF3:2I
> is one of the Best SF games in the world. You PPL are Still stuck on SFA2 or
> SFA3 they are good and all that I play them both.
>
> but..........
>
> SF3:2I is alot better This game makes you think.
> It makes you stop and think should I dash at them and then do the universal
> overhead or should I do this or this.. ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3 oh
> let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW. Yeah it
> takes alot skill to do that.
Stop right there.
First off....have you actually seen two GOOD players play SF at all?
Seriously. Yes, I seriously want an answer to that question.
Let me explain something to you. Anyone that is of any skill level in SF
knows how to keep someone off of them. ANYONE that can play somewhat. If
YOU are having problems in counter-poking someone, that's on YOU. If you
don't know how to throw a projectile in such a manner that the attacker has
to block it and then basically give away their next move, that's on YOU. If
you haven't figured out that often times a counter hit fierce or roundhouse
most often happens when you catch someone walking towards you trying to "rush
you" and that you can tack on extra damage because of that, thus discouraging
them from trying to break your guard, THAT...IS...ON...YOU.
Oh no, don't misinterpret me. I'm not upset at you. I'm not frustrated with
you, though I'm close. However, for you to say that breaking someone's guard
takes no skill is outright nonsense. Try it against me...you'll eat pokes and
DP-like moves all day. You'll definitely eat a SC in the process.
Do yourself a favor and get a tape of a tournament or just GO to one. You
have a LOT to learn about SF in general...and you keep showing it with every
post.
> Karin she puts you in the corner and then breaks
> your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K, then
the
> Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid enough
> to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz then
they
> start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of the
GAME
> SUCKS.
Bruh...do you know what TIMING is? You're invincible in the first few frames
of your flip-out animation. IIRC, you're TOTALLY invincible while falling if
you choose to roll instead. KNOW the game before you try to trash it.
Besides, any player that thinks while they play knows better than to try and
flip out of any Karin juggle. You only give them more time to bust out her
anti-air SC on you. Again, know the game before you try to bash it.
> In 2I you have to know more than a cheap Juggle You have to parry the Attack
at
> the right moment and then unleash a combo that will work at that situation.
Yep....
> U
> have to have good defense to Parry at the right moment. And then good enough
> Skill to put your enemy away.
It doesn't take much skill to sit there and wait for your opponent to be
foolish enough to attack. You're not taking a risk. No risk involved,
therefore no skill involved. Does that make sense?
> And since you PPL can't do that ya think Parrys
> suck. If U don't like em don't Use em' DUHHHHHH!
You know what I'm doing right now? Do you? I hate to tell you this...but I
am laughing out loud at this. You're a great comedian. We sit here and TELL
you of how we have ALL abused option select to no end and we sit here and
relate tournament experience after tournament experience....and you STILL
don't get it.
What are we doing wrong? Tell us! We're using plain English and logic.
We're doing the best we can. What aren't we spelling out to you, already?
> I've also witnessed this guy he was a Parry Master and NICE with Yun. And then
> this guy came in he did'nt Parry not once and he beat the Shit out of him.
> Using SEAN the man.
Wow...you mean that someone depended so much on their defensive skills that
when they got overwhelmed by offense that they couldn't do anything?
Wow....never seen THAT before! Hyuck hyuck! (Yes, that was sarcasm.)
C'mon, bruh. Isn't it obvious? The Yun player obviously didn't know jack
about his character's great offensive capability outside of what to do after
he parries a move. It's not brain surgery. His parrying ability was
neutralized and he didn't know what to do. Sean can take people like that.
Sean is an offensive machine. He also plays tons of mind games from his Sean
Tackle and his roll (which Ken probably taught him...why doesn't Ken have
one, too?!).
Like I said....know the game.
Better yet, I'll say it like this: Come correct, or don't come at all.
> Well don't flame me. I am telling all ya how I feel Wether
> U like it or not. I don't give a FUCK. This is not scrub talk or nothing take
> it how ever U want coz I still don't give a fuck!
Then do us a favor....don't post. As long as you post incomplete, invalid,
and inaccurate assessments...I, for one, will jump all over them and expose
them to the light of fact. Nothing escapes fact. Nothing.
Or...as I used to say....nothing escapes my mace of truth. BAM! BAMBAMBAM!!
:)
In all seriousness and humility, though, you need to check YO'self, before
you wreck yo'self. You expect us to accept half-baked statements as fact?
Ha! Not when we know better and have the experience and facts to back it up.
Dare I say it again: The tournaments have been done over and over and over
ALL over the country. The results are still the same. Parry....super.
Parry...chain-super cancel-super. Ryu vs. Elena....Ryu stand forward beats
everything Elena has. The list goes on.
So, tell me.....can you refute ANY of this with fact? No...I said refute
it...not go on another of your blind rants about how we're attacking a game
that we can't play.
I DARE you to quote my message and then respond point by point in a civilized
manner. I seriously double dog dare you to do so. You know, this choice is
actually something similar to a parry: I'm taking no risk whatsoever because
I know what I'm saying has been proven time and time again. You, however,
will have a lot to lose if you attack wrong.
I know what you're thinking. Did he shoot five times or six? Did he use all
of his bullets (that is, all of the information that I have that proves how
wack parries are) or is he pointing his last bullet at me? Well, I kinda
lost track in the excitement, too....but I know one thing: I'm coming out of
this intact.
So, I ask you: Do you feel....lucky? (If you do, I have bad news for you.
There's no such thing as luck.)
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
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Onaje Everett
Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Ace-ISM wrote:
>
> > LazyJae wrote in message <19990222151533...@ng148.aol.com>...
(snip tirade over juggles from the Guren-ken (b.k.a. Rekka-ken) and hop-kick)
> > Bahaha! I've never seen anyone complain about Karin being over-powered
> > before.
>
> Really? I wonder why not. Karin with a full meter and an opponent in the
corner
> = 50% life gone for the opponent.
V-ism Karin I can understand.....but LazyJae was talking about A-ism Karin.
A-ism Karin overpowered? Whoa. I guess so. Not.
Ace-ISM
Onaje Everett (FreshOJ) wrote in message
<7atg4l$ith$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
<snip>
>> Karin she puts you in the corner and then breaks
>> your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K,
then
>the
>> Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid
enough
>> to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz
then
>they
>> start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of
the
>GAME
>> SUCKS.
>
>Bruh...do you know what TIMING is? You're invincible in the first few
frames
>of your flip-out animation. IIRC, you're TOTALLY invincible while falling
if
>you choose to roll instead. KNOW the game before you try to trash it.
Just one prob here. If you've been cornered by a good Karin and launched ...
well, there's not much you can do =).
Yes, the flip makes you invincible (for a *very* brief second). However, the
Karin player has the advantage because she can just wait to see if you do
anything. Flinch and flip, you're going to eat something ...
You can't roll out of it in the corner either, you'll still get juggled.
Outside of the corner though, than a roll can help you escape.
Launched in the corner with a A-Karin with full meter ... one way or
another, you *will* eat that super. Unless you either VC through it (the
best way to avoid it I think) or guess right and use that tiny, tiny window
of invincibility the flip gives you ...
Hmmm ... however, if it's V-ISM Karin with full meter and she manages to
launch you in the corner, than its an even *worse* story. 75% juggle, ouch.
>
>Besides, any player that thinks while they play knows better than to try
and
>flip out of any Karin juggle. You only give them more time to bust out her
>anti-air SC on you. Again, know the game before you try to bash it.
Exactly =). Or if it's V-ISM, she flashes and makes you land on 14
Palmstrikes =).
Atsuko "Nuku" Natsume
LazyJae wrote:
> U so called SF Masters have tons of issues that ya need to get checked. SF3:2I
> is one of the Best SF games in the world. You PPL are Still stuck on SFA2 or
> SFA3 they are good and all that I play them both.
A2 was good, except for the CCs... that was too overpowering (need I remind you of
Chun's 40 hit CC...) A3 is good, except for the V-ism nonsense... I can mash
buttons with V-Ryu, and do around 50+% damage... And a few other things (a certain
long-limbed indian comes to mind).
> but..........
>
> SF3:2I is alot better This game makes you think.
> It makes you stop and think should I dash at them and then do the universal
> overhead or should I do this or this.. ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3 oh
> let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW. Yeah it
> takes alot skill to do that. Karin she puts you in the corner and then breaks
> your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K, then the
> Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid enough
> to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz then they
> start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of the GAME
> SUCKS.
Well, let me think about this... (grammar corrected) "Let me rush them and break
their guard meter and then do a Super. WOW" Now, I've got a question. How exactly
do you just 'rush and break their guard meter'? Last I checked, most guard meters
were pretty big, and you can't just walk forward and hope to break it by jabbing
them to death... at least not with Karin (Rolento maybe...) I would be inclined to
agree with you if it was that easy to break a guard meter, but I dare you to
attempt something like that with Karin on my X-gief... I will laugh as you try,
c.jab you a few times and then SPD your sorry behind so hard that you'll have to
pull down your pants to take a look around...
> In 2I you have to know more than a cheap Juggle You have to parry the Attack at
> the right moment and then unleash a combo that will work at that situation. U
So you're saying that, instead of going through a complicated string of attacks to
actually break someone's guard meter, you have to press towards or down at the
right time and then chain into super? Oh, that sounds *much* harder...
> have to have good defense to Parry at the right moment. And then good enough
> Skill to put your enemy away. And since you PPL can't do that ya think Parrys
> suck. If U don't like em don't Use em' DUHHHHHH!
Ano... that's like saying "I have a gun, and you have a gun, but I don't like mine,
so I will try to punch you to death while you point your gun at me". The combos in
SF3 are *so* freaking eassy that even *I* (I'm a total scrub, I just like playing
SF because of my cousins when I was little) can pull off with ease (Krazy Ken comes
to mind... thanks Onaje, I was wondering what that trick was called! ^^)...
> I've also witnessed this guy he was a Parry Master and NICE with Yun. And then
> this guy came in he did'nt Parry not once and he beat the Shit out of him.
> Using SEAN the man. Well don't flame me. I am telling all ya how I feel Wether
Ok, let me get this straight... if this guy is a Parry Master, how come he got hit?
The way the game is set up, it is possible to parry every single thing thrown at
you, including supers. So how did he lose? Maybe he wasn't such a Parry Master
after all...
> U like it or not. I don't give a FUCK. This is not scrub talk or nothing take
> it how ever U want coz I still don't give a fuck!
Alright, I'm going to start ranting here... You've been warned. ^^
Sir, I have to ask you something. If you don't give a <expletive deleted>, why are
you still posting here? Are you trying to convince us of the error of our ways?
Could this many people, who have posted countless tidbits of data and information
(correct, I might add... And a big HI THERE to Mike Z (I think it was Mike Z),
who's Chun MSF combos I tried and loved, especially that 6-jump combo, although it
took me forever to get it down) all be wrong? I hardly think so...
This leads me to conclude a few things.
1. You aren't reading our posts. I admit, I am not as big a poster as some of the
more esteemed regulars here, but I try. And I read! Perhaps you think otherwise,
but that's no reason to completely disregard their information. SF3:2I is a pain in
the rear, because parries make it too defensive. I'd much rather they have stuck in
Alpha Counters that do almost no damage, and take off 1/3 of a super meter than
those God-Awful parries. Do you honestly think that the fact that someone can parry
every single attack thrown at him (or in my case, her), and then retaliate (since
the person being parried is still in stun animation) with a 50% combo-into-dizzy
doesn't make this game unbalanced in any respects whatsoever?
2. You seem to enjoy using profanity as evidence when you are trying to make a
point. Here's a little hint, Junior.. Profanity doesn't work. It just makes you
look silly, since you don't know what you're talking about.
3. You refute your own point. You complain that a guard crush is too easy in A3,
and that you can get rocked easily by someone GCing-into-super. Then you turn
around and say that there's so much skill involved in parrying, then comboing.
Somehow, I think that a series of well-thought-out attacks in order to GC somebody
requires much more skill than tapping towards or down at the right time? Maybe I'm
wrong, I *am* just a girl after all.
4. You keep saying you don't care, but then you keep posting. Are you on some sort
of evangelical journey, trying to show us the error of our ways by calling us names
and making lame attempts at convincing? I'm sure that will work very well...
Alright, it's about over...
I've noticed a few things... here they are, in order of appearance.
1. You make these lame claims, and assume that it is all true since in your local
area, nobody can parry that well, and therefore, parries aren't that
powerful/unbalancing.
2. People refute your claims with evidence, citing many examples of how it is
possible to abuse the parry.
3. You return to your own local world of people who can't parry, and see it happen
again, and so you conclude we must be wrong. Wow, someone was on a 26-game win
streak. Let me think... here's an idea. What if his competition just happens to
suck worse than him? I remember when I was just starting XSF, and I happened to
know how to do Air Combos from MSH. I racked up huge win streaks, since I knew how
to do them and all the local competition didn't. Does that make me an XSF Master?
4. In addition to your little observations in your little locale, you call A3
scrubby by making a totally ridiculous claim.
5. You say you're not a scrub, but most of the evidence here seems to indicate
otherwise...
Well, if you've read this far, I must congratulate you. You have shown yourself to
be of at least the 3rd grade reading level (something I was not sure you were at
before).
I'm guessing most of the large words and such I have written are probably confusing
to you, so let me spell it out for you.
Einstein said it best when he said "There are only two known infinites in
existence, and they are the Universe and Stupidity. And we're not so sure about the
Universe". Thank you for giving us a shining example of the latter of the two.
To anyone else who's reading this post:
Sorry about repeating myself, but, for the most part, most low-intellect animals
that can be trained are done so through numerous repetitions. Let's hope some
conditioning will work this time... ^_^
LazyJae
wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win streak.
But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on with
that. It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit. 75% of the
PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs. So whatever U want to belive go on and
belive it. Why do I keep posting? Becoz it is a free world. I can do whatever I
feel like doing. I am defending 2I. As for me not being able to parry that is a
negative. I can parry I am juz not a parry master. And when I become one I will
still like the game. And WHAT!!!!!!
LazyJae
someone did it to me.
Ha ha ha.
robo...@my-dejanews.com
"Ace-ISM" <karink...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
> Just one prob here. If you've been cornered by a good Karin and launched ...
> well, there's not much you can do =).
> Launched in the corner with a A-Karin with full meter ... one way or
> another, you *will* eat that super. Unless you either VC through it (the
> best way to avoid it I think) or guess right and use that tiny, tiny window
> of invincibility the flip gives you ...
I've been playing a lot of Karins lately, and they all seem to try to
rush-punch (for lack of the real name) me in the corner. Can't you poke
c.forward or dp (they always seem to play me when I'm playing a shotokan)
anything she attacks? These karin players seem super-predictable. It seems
that the only time I get juggles is when I jump in or I guess wrong and I eat
that jumping-slap move.
Dale
dpan...@kentlaw.edu
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> >Jinston--> Isn't Jinston the biggest ass-hole in here?
>
> >Sorry, I have to flame you. You're a total idiot.
>
> Me Being an IDIOT=Negative.
>
> >You haven't read
> >anything we've said.
>
> I have and I take it all into consideration.
No, you're one big moron, and I mean by the legal definition. The fact that
you can type at all (typing poorly seems to be your forte) should be
applauded.
> Jinston->We hate parries because we're GOOD at them,= Negative
>
> ->Yun, Sean is a reality U can mail this kid and ask him ado...@netscape.net
> and find out for yourself ASS-HOLE. I got the FACTS Dickhead.
You got jack-shit. Any parry-master Y/Y can kill Sean. It's Yun's fault for
not counter-attacking. Did you know that you can combo off a parry then
combo into a SC? That's what Yun should've been doing. Either that, or he's
not the parry master you claim he is.
[snip]
> I know what I am talking. U may play in scrubville but here in NY PPL have
> skillz. wether the West coast players are better so what your not included in
> that statement. (I don't know if your on the west or not)
Why don't you take your scrub ass to one of these tournaments and bring your
game w/you? You'll see what high level play at 2i can be like. Stop being
an arcade/mall rat, punk-ass and learn to post. But, I guess you would have
to learn to read first, since it seems like you're not reading anything this
ng is saying. As evidenced by the snippet directly below-
> >You obviously haven't read our hundreds of
> >posts complaining about parries
>
> Your Right I juz got here.
>
[snip]
> >Jinston--> Isn't Jinston the Big ass-hole in here?
No, you are you moron.
robo...@my-dejanews.com
laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> Look U, U think U can play the damn game. But U can't beat me regardless what
U
> wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
streak.
> But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on with
> that. It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit.
No, all it takes is some troll-moron to sit behind a computer screen and talk
all he wants. It's a lot easier when you're not face-to-face w/someone. You
want people to believe that you're not a scrub, go to the NJ Tourney, so that
the good players can kick your ass back to NY. Then, we'll see how much
garbage you talk then.
75% of the
> PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs.
Yes, b/c you know exactly how we play, right? Since we all seem to have some
grasp of the English language, is it not we who do not look like scrubs?
Especially since we post w/actual scenarios, character vs. character analysis,
we explore options, etc. You're just making garbage statements.
So whatever U want to belive go on and
> belive it. Why do I keep posting? Becoz it is a free world.
Actually, it's a free country. And, it's posts like these that make some
people want to limit free speech.
I can do whatever
I
> feel like doing. I am defending 2I. As for me not being able to parry that is
a
> negative. I can parry I am juz not a parry master. And when I become one I
will
> still like the game. And WHAT!!!!!!
God only knows,
kayin/ka khiong kwok
Ace-ISM wrote in message <36d1...@news.syd.fl.net.au>...
>Yeah, and that's the kicker. People would know this if they played as her
or
>played against someone good. Where are all the Karin players at? =)
Ditto, Karin can be a right royal Bitch. My apologies to Karin players
everywhere. No need to link the Royal to Karin.
Cheers,
Ka.
(Closet republican - no not THAT republican).
=== Four words why Alien civilisations will never make contact with us...
===
"Are we there yet?"
kayin/ka khiong kwok
Onaje Everett (FreshOJ) wrote in message
<7atg4l$ith$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Besides, any player that thinks while they play knows better than to try
and
>flip out of any Karin juggle. You only give them more time to bust out her
>anti-air SC on you. Again, know the game before you try to bash it.
I don't know much about Karin but I know enough that flipping out of any
juggle in A3 is fairly suicidal. This applies to anyone with a decent
anti-air SC (Z, Rose, Guy, etc.). Chances are, you might be better off just
taking the hits, pray you have enough life left and work your way back.
>It doesn't take much skill to sit there and wait for your opponent to be
>foolish enough to attack. You're not taking a risk. No risk involved,
>therefore no skill involved. Does that make sense?
When did skill ever came into turtling. I can turtle, and I'm not too crash
hot. At best, I'm just an intermediate.
>What are we doing wrong? Tell us! We're using plain English and logic.
>We're doing the best we can. What aren't we spelling out to you, already?
Maybe we should try another language, and less rock logic. :')
>C'mon, bruh. Isn't it obvious? The Yun player obviously didn't know jack
>about his character's great offensive capability outside of what to do
after
>he parries a move. It's not brain surgery. His parrying ability was
>neutralized and he didn't know what to do. Sean can take people like that.
>Sean is an offensive machine. He also plays tons of mind games from his
Sean
>Tackle and his roll (which Ken probably taught him...why doesn't Ken have
>one, too?!).
Ken probably doesn't want to get his hair dirty. :')
Speaking of Sean, I hope they fix that annoying DP glitch.
>Better yet, I'll say it like this: Come correct, or don't come at all.
hmmmm.... what if one needs to be corrected? A man needs to fall flat on his
face before realising that he needs to keeps his mind on the road, and not
on the pretty blonde walking by with the skimpy singlet. <I think I better
go and take a cold shower now>.
>Or...as I used to say....nothing escapes my mace of truth. BAM!
BAMBAMBAM!!
>:)
Never seen a mace of truth before. The scythe of Death, the scales of
Justice, the whip of Punishment, but not the mace of truth.
>So, I ask you: Do you feel....lucky? (If you do, I have bad news for you.
>There's no such thing as luck.)
You're a Dirty Harry fan? Did you cringe at "the bridges of Madison County"?
Did they ever found the body of the guy who suggested to Clint that it was a
good idea to do a chick flick? :')
Cheers,
Ka.
Atsuko "Nuku" Natsume
We've tried giving you evidence. We've tried telling you you are wrong and given a
line-by-line analysis as to WHY you are wrong.. We've tried yelling, cursing and
screaming. So I will try something else.
Please don't post anymore. You aren't going to convince us, and you're only making
yourself look more foolish. So don't post. Simple as that. You could be the god of
SF games (the way you talk, you sound like you're trying to convince us of this
fact). You could be the game designer from Capcom himself. I don't really care WHO
you are. I just know that your postings are not only incredibly annoying, but void
of any merit whatsoever. I tried explaining, but you didn't seem to have read what
I wrote. So I'm just going to do the simple thing and ask you not to post. Yes,
it's a free country, but if you honestly think you will convince us by
overinflating your ego and telling us how much we suck (without playing us,
naturally), you are sadly mistaken.
Lord Falconer
and spotted laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) causing trouble. Frowning,
Falconer set off to investigate...
>I know all that. Ive done that a couple of times but I learned from when
>someone did it to me.
>Ha ha ha.
In other words, you can't refute a single thing Onaje has said, so
you're dodging as fast and as feverishly as possible to save face.
Just wanted to be sure. :)
Ultima
[SLASH]
> Hey Ass-Hole NY will never have a good reputation so kill that shit.
Well shit-snake, NY won't have a good reputation if losers like LazyJae
keep showing up and posting that level of garbage.
> As for him being a Punk how do U know?
His posts tell all
> Now this has gotten personal.
What are you, his lover?
> Ultima what do U know about NY?
I live in and have played in NY for over 2 years (I'm upstate now, not
that that's any of your business). I played some awesome competition. I
obviously know a hell of a lot more than you.
> and what makes U think you have the right to judge NEbody
> are U god in disguise? -No- like I thought.
No, I'm not god (that I know of). But not being so doesn't mean I can't
tell stupidity and ignorance when I see it, like with you and that other
punk-ass.
Do me a favour: Burn your computer, and then go set yourself on fire.
That's a far superior alternative to putting up with you and The Other
Punk™'s mindless idiotic prattle.
Where's my killfile? >:(
Ace-ISM
robo...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7auih9$g4g$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <36d2...@news.syd.fl.net.au>,
> "Ace-ISM" <karink...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>> Just one prob here. If you've been cornered by a good Karin and launched
...
>> well, there's not much you can do =).
> [snip]
>> Launched in the corner with a A-Karin with full meter ... one way or
>> another, you *will* eat that super. Unless you either VC through it (the
>> best way to avoid it I think) or guess right and use that tiny, tiny
window
>> of invincibility the flip gives you ...
>[snip]
>
>I've been playing a lot of Karins lately, and they all seem to try to
>rush-punch (for lack of the real name) me in the corner.
Well they must be pretty dumb Karin players =P. They're just asking for it
if you can block them. In the corner she doesn't get pushed back far enough
and u can counter-attack (unless she manages to fake you out with the high /
low combinations).
What they should have been doing is comboing her punches from low short, jab
or whatever.
Can't you poke
>c.forward or dp (they always seem to play me when I'm playing a shotokan)
>anything she attacks?
Heh ... but then you can say that to everything. You attack, I DP you. What
kind of strategy is that?
Oh, Karin's sweep has more range than the forward and if she fakes you out
with a whiffed/blocked DP (in the *corner* ) .... say Goodbye! hehehe. They
don't call her the juggle queen for nothing ...
These karin players seem super-predictable. It seems
>that the only time I get juggles is when I jump in or I guess wrong and I
eat
>that jumping-slap move.
Then these Karin players aren't using her to her full potential (as some
people might say =P ).
Oh yeah... jumping in indiscriminately on Karin is just suicide ... if she's
too lazy to combo your ass, she can just use the almighty standing fierce
...
GOKUO187
>U
>wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
>streak.
>But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on
>with
>the
>PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs. So whatever U want to belive go on and
>belive it. Why do I keep posting? Becoz it is a free world. I can do whatever
>I
>feel like doing. I am defending 2I. As for me not being able to parry that is
>a
>negative. I can parry I am juz not a parry master. And when I become one I
>will
>still like the game. And WHAT!!!!!!
>
>
>
Just a thought.......but would you happen to be going to ECC4? I want to see
these skillz.
Sean 3i
>U
>wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
>streak.
Ok. I really wanted to stay away and just laugh at these posts.*Ahem* You sir,
are a complete dumbfuck. There's no other way around it. Haven't you been
reading the previous posts about 2i and its problems?
>But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on
>with
>that. It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit. 75% of
>the
>PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs.
No I don't have to believe. I already know your a scrub just by reading your
dumbass posts.
Let me break it down for you,son. Let me say it in words you can understand."
If you SO good. Where the fuck is you? " You say your from NY. Why don't you
come down to the Break in NJ. Some players from NY come down to the Break for
weekly tournies in A3. If you think your competetion is that ass in A3 then
come down. I'll even help you out. Here's the URL to the site. Call for
directions.http://www.fastwww.com/thebreak/
Elu
P.S. ECC4 is coming up soon. They will have a 2i tournament.
SefirosuLB
>U
>wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
>streak.
Come down to Cali...see what's gonna happen then. You can't get a 30+ Game
Win Streak unless you play against little kids, people who hardly played a
SFer, a major spazzer, if you put second player in yourself, and other reasons.
Try playing Valle or try playing the Japanese champion. Try playing the US Top
Ten, how about the Japanese Top Ten, I wonder what's going to happen then...
>But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on
>with
>that.
As I stated earlier, come down to Cali, you won't just get competition,
you'll lose, unless...
>It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit. 75% of
>the
>PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs. So whatever U want to belive go on and
>belive it. Why do I keep posting? Becoz it is a free world. I can do whatever
>I
>feel like doing. I am defending 2I. As for me not being able to parry that is
>a
>negative. I can parry I am juz not a parry master. And when I become one I
>will
>still like the game. And WHAT!!!!!!
______________________
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IceiKlez
Can I know?
Shady Prodigy!
IceiKlez
> > >you're talking about
>
skillz. wether the West coast players are better so what your not included in
that statement. (I don't know if your on the west or not)
>
> reputation to a decent skill level, along comes this guy to fuck it up
> for everybody. Thanks a lot you ignorant punk.
Hey Ass-Hole NY will never have a good reputation so kill that shit. As for
him being a Punk how do U know? Now this has gotten personal. Ultima what do
U know about NY? and what makes U think you have the right to judge NEbody
are U god in disguise? -No- like I thought.
Can I know?
IceiKlez
> In other words, you can't refute a single thing Onaje has said, so
> you're dodging as fast and as feverishly as possible to save face.
> Just wanted to be sure. :)
What does that mean?
Onaje Everett
U
> wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
streak.
Your mouth has just written a check that you can't hope to cash.
Anyone want to really shut this guy up? Play him. Find him and destroy him
and show him just how much of a scrub he is.
Do it.
LazyJae, your days are numbered. Believe me, if I could get over there to
New York, my average Rose and my average Gen would walk ramshod over you.
This ain't talk...this is fact. Your posts show that you know nothing about
A3, yet you have the nerve to talk trash? Oh....no. I know I'M not going
for that!
I dare you to tell everyone where you play and what you look like so that the
group can go on a scrub hunt (those that are near you, of course, wouldn't
want people driving 30+ miles to take down an arrogant scrub).
> But In 2I I get some competition. So if U wanna belive I am a scrub go on with
> that. It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit.
No...it just takes an internet connection and a keyboard....which you have.
However, it takes SKILL to back up that trash. Son, you just don't know. You
REALLY don't know what you've set yourself up for.
> 75% of the PPL in that dumb ass NG are scrubs.
Take the board out of your eye before you try to take the speck out of ours.
> So whatever U want to belive go on and
> belive it. Why do I keep posting? Becoz it is a free world. I can do whatever
I
> feel like doing.
You...are...DEAD...wrong on that, bub. Don't worry, though. I'm very sure
somebody on this newsgroup will find you, play you, and decimate you. Then
you won't have anything to say. Period.
> I am defending 2I. As for me not being able to parry that is a
> negative. I can parry I am juz not a parry master. And when I become one I
> will still like the game. And WHAT!!!!!!
Congratulations! You can win WITHOUT using skill! WOW!!!!
I can put you on that big list on my wall.
Point: If it's easy, there's a good chance that everyone else can do it. If
everyone else can do what you do, it means that you're average....not good.
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Onaje Everett
robo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <19990223082156...@ng-ft1.aol.com>,
> laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) wrote:
> > Look U, U think U can play the damn game. But U can't beat me regardless
what
> U
> > wanna belive I can go to NE Arcade and play A3 and go on a 30+ Game win
> streak.
with
> > that. It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit.
>
> all he wants. It's a lot easier when you're not face-to-face w/someone. You
> want people to believe that you're not a scrub, go to the NJ Tourney, so that
> the good players can kick your ass back to NY. Then, we'll see how much
> garbage you talk then.
And if he doesn't go, it's because he's a scared girly-man! :)
LazyJae, you have absolutely NO excuse to back down now. NJ isn't far from
you at all. There are plenty of players that live in NY. You can even ride
with them....if they'll have you in their car (I dunno 'bout that, but
anyways).
Now....you've talked a whole bunch of gutter trash. Let's see if you're man
enough to back it up.....or if you're just another troll.
If you don't go, don't expect ANYONE to reply to your posts. It'll be like
you don't exist...and for our purposes, you won't.
With that said, have a nice day.
Onaje Everett
sfa...@earthlink.net wrote:
> On 23 Feb 1999 13:24:25 GMT, Falconer looked out from Castle Ouroburos
> and spotted laz...@aol.com (LazyJae) causing trouble. Frowning,
> Falconer set off to investigate...
>
> >I know all that. Ive done that a couple of times but I learned from when
> >someone did it to me.
> >Ha ha ha.
>
> you're dodging as fast and as feverishly as possible to save face.
> Just wanted to be sure. :)
Don't you love it when your opponents do that? :)
The fact of the matter is that LazyJae is Tom Cruise and I'm good ol' Jaaaaack
Nicholson.
Me: You want answers? Jae: I think I'm entitled to them. Me: Do you REALLY
want answers? Jae: I want the TRUTH! Me: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! (Onaje
proceeds to do Dudley's Corkscrew Blow)
Me: Hmmm....I guess he didn't know how to parry as well as he thought he
did...talkin' all that...GUTTER TRASH!!
(It's fun to be me. You can be as corny and goofy as you want and still have
people like you. Oh yes!) :)
Onaje Everett
Atsuko \"Nuku\" Natsume <nekomus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *sigh*. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this, but enough is enough.
>
> We've tried giving you evidence. We've tried telling you you are wrong and
given a
> line-by-line analysis as to WHY you are wrong.. We've tried yelling, cursing
and
> screaming. So I will try something else.
>
> Please don't post anymore. You aren't going to convince us, and you're only
making
> yourself look more foolish. So don't post. Simple as that. You could be the
god of
this
> fact). You could be the game designer from Capcom himself. I don't really care
WHO
> you are. I just know that your postings are not only incredibly annoying, but
void
> of any merit whatsoever. I tried explaining, but you didn't seem to have read
what
> I wrote. So I'm just going to do the simple thing and ask you not to post.
Yes,
> it's a free country, but if you honestly think you will convince us by
> overinflating your ego and telling us how much we suck (without playing us,
> naturally), you are sadly mistaken.
*sniff*
That...was...BEAUTIFUL!!! :)
Whoa...getting teary-eyed (not really, but hey...why not).
After all that...I can only add one thing with my not-really-teary-eyed self:
YOU GO GIRL!!!! (And I mean that!)
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need a moment alone. :)
n00body
Ultima wrote in message <36D381FB...@rit.edu>...
>No, I'm not god (that I know of). But not being so doesn't mean I can't
>tell stupidity and ignorance when I see it, like with you and that other
>punk-ass.
>
>Do me a favour: Burn your computer, and then go set yourself on fire.
>That's a far superior alternative to putting up with you and The Other
>Punk™'s mindless idiotic prattle.
Self-immalation (sp?).
IceiKlez
> Do me a favour: Burn your computer, and then go set yourself on fire.
> That's a far superior alternative to putting up with you and The Other
> Punk™'s mindless idiotic prattle.
I will go do that. I will put on a bullet proof vest on and shoot my self in
the head. I know why U PPL don't like NY becoz in NY U will find those PPL
that will say the shit that is on there mind. As for My nigga lazyjae he is
not coming to this dumb ass NG any more becoz he cannot be in environment
where so many PPL hate 2I. Becoz of the Parry.
Can I know?
Shady Prodigy!
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
WhoaMoses
>the head.
Yaaay! Wait, you're just kidding aren't you? :(
I know why U PPL don't like NY becoz in NY U will find those PPL
>that will say the shit that is on there mind.
No, it's because there are idiot trolls like you in NY that live under bridges
and find newsgroups by total accident, then post pointlessly disproven
arguements that are hella old. Get a life chump.
As for My nigga lazyjae he is
>not coming to this dumb ass NG any more becoz he cannot be in environment
>where so many PPL hate 2I. Becoz of the Parry.
Oh, so you're not gonna use the LazyJae alias anymore? Aw, and I was gonna have
your account deleted from AOL just for shits and giggles....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
Moses has spoken. Be quiet or behold the worst plague of all: garlic breath!
BOB13
JB Gainz wrote:
> Well, I have to back up Lazy Jae on this one. Parries are a great element of
> the game.
By opinion or by fact?
> Everything in a game can be abused, but parries are hardly that bad.
> What is the result of abusing parries... nothing, no damage loss for the
> oponent.
Have you been paying attention at all? Let me give you the basics of what will
happen when i parry one of you attacks. 1. If it's a medium or hard attack I get at
least a hard attack myself. 2. If I have a chain I get to use it. 3. If I have a
super I use it. Plain and simple. If I parry the other guy gets hurt. If I go for a
parry and miss nothing happens. Absolutely no risk. Plus I get super meter when I
parry.
> What is the result for being a fireball scrub... lots of lost
> chipping damage.
Your a scrub yourself if you lose so much damage from fireball scrubs because they
are just free jump in combos.
> What is the result for tapping the Strong attacks relentless
> until you can pull off a super... lots of chip damage from a super.
Geez. Since when is taking a little less then a medium attack worth in chip damage
a lot. Especially since you should be pounding the crap out of the guy for just
sitting there an charging their super.
> I think the
> big opposition to parries is that they are something way different from Alpha.
Pay attention. It's because of the risk reward factor. Not because it's different.
> People can perform cheap corner traps
Since when are corner traps cheap? They take a lot of work and a lot of mind games
to work right. Plus alpha isn't really over run by corner traps. Their more akin to
the old school games IMO.
> and juggles anymore like in Alpha.
Juggles are only in A3. Not in all of them. Plus you can flip out of the juggles.
Even Ryu's famed redizzy is escapable.
> AC
> were a pointless element of SFA3. In a couple of years, parries will be an
> important element of SF and eveyone will like em.
I doubt it unless they are changed dramatically.
> It will be just like super
> combos when they first came out and everyone hated them.
I don't think everyone hated them more like they thought it was pointless to put
them in in the first place.
> Both SFA3 and SF3 are
> good series, but SF3 seems more oriented on balanced gameplay,
How can SF3 be more towards balanced game play when there are basically two teirs
in both SF games. The top teir and everybody else.
> which I find a
> big plus. SFA3 seems to have a few bugs (I'll call them that for my purpose)
> with long ass juggles
Don't remember any really long ass juggles in A3 though I do know a few in SF3. Go
figure.
> and unfair character advantages..
Oh but Akuma, Yang, Yun and Ibuki are completely balanced in SF3. Yep, skip. They
sure are.
> By the way, I failed to read the intire post of Atsuko, because it was just too
> damn long! Do you serioulsy think Jae and other posters are going to ready the
> whole thing! Short and sweet, my lady.. short and sweet.
What you couldn't take the two minutes it took to read the post? My, what a short
attention span.
db...@tampatrib.com
> It takes a good player to come on the internet and talk shit.
Hilarious!
-- at no extra charge
IceiKlez
I know LazyJae and the kid can play when he says he goes on 30+ Game win
streaks belive him. I remember the Broadway Arcade days. He went on a 33 game
win Streak in SFA2. Then in Alpha 1 in Playland he went on 20+ win Streak, In
MSH the day it came out with Cap America a 20+ Game win Streak. X-Men vs SF
like 20+, MvSF I have'nt seen him play this that much, And in MvC he has gone
on 50+ in Game Express. so if ya want to think he is a scrub belive what U
want. We play very Similar but his combo's are deadlier.
Can I know?
Shady Prodigy!
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Lord Falconer
Ouroburos and spotted IceiKlez <ShadyP...@yahoo.com> causing
trouble. Frowning, Falconer set off to investigate...
>
>
>> In other words, you can't refute a single thing Onaje has said, so
>> you're dodging as fast and as feverishly as possible to save face.
>> Just wanted to be sure. :)
>
>What does that mean?
>
>Can I know?
Alright. LazyJae basically said that all us AGSF people *lurker,
'regular' and so on* all had issues with parries. Jae said we 'didn't
understand' them, that we didn't know how to use them right. Onaje
thought differently.
Onaje had a refined and detailed opinion in opposition to Jae. He
gave a set of reasons why he, among others, had a VERY good idea about
parries. How to use them, how 'Option Select' helps ruin the game
*character imbalance is another drawback*... basically filling the
claims of Jae with more holes than a block of Swiss cheese on the
receiving end of a round of SMG fire would get.
Jae's response was to laugh. No refutes of Onaje's points, no counter
debate, no semblance of opposition... just laughter.
To me, that is what is called in flaming circles a 'dodge'. To dodge
is to completely ignore the subject*s* at hand, yet try to continue an
argument and/or launch an assault. Jae dodged Onaje's points. He
then proceeded to laugh *I'm assuming it was directed at mainly Onaje;
AGSF secondly*, which is seen as an 'assault', however weak. The
greater the issues/evidence/accusations a person 'dodges', the
'faster' and/or 'harder' that person is seen to have dodged. The
statements that Jae side-stepped... are OJ Fresh(TM). ;)
WhoaMoses
>I know LazyJae and the kid can play
Of course you know him. You are him you schizophrenic.
>when he says he goes on 30+ Game win
>streaks belive him.
Never said I didn't believe him. He pays that one-armed man to play him,
remember?
> I remember the Broadway Arcade days. He went on a 33 game
>win Streak in SFA2.
Man, I remember the days too. Alpha 2 was what, a whole 2 years ago? Whoa, time
flies when you're beating scrubs.
> so if ya want to think he is a scrub belive what U
>want.
Okay. You're (he's, whatever) a scrub.
>We play very Similar but his combo's are deadlier.
As in, he might fart when he's playing, and the fumes might kill someone?
>Can I know?
nope!
>
>Shady Prodigy!
>
(or LazyJae)
By the way LazyJae, I'm gonna continue to flame every stupid thing you write
here until you post something of some kind of remote worth. Happy posting!
JB Gainz
What is the result of abusing parries... nothing, no damage loss for the
chipping damage. What is the result for tapping the Strong attacks relentless
until you can pull off a super... lots of chip damage from a super. I think the
big opposition to parries is that they are something way different from Alpha.
combos when they first came out and everyone hated them. Both SFA3 and SF3 are
good series, but SF3 seems more oriented on balanced gameplay, which I find a
By the way, I failed to read the intire post of Atsuko, because it was just too
damn long! Do you serioulsy think Jae and other posters are going to ready the
whole thing! Short and sweet, my lady.. short and sweet.
Atsuko wrote:
>LazyJae wrote:
>
>> U so called SF Masters have tons of issues that ya need to get checked.
>SF3:2I
>> is one of the Best SF games in the world. You PPL are Still stuck on SFA2
>or
>> SFA3 they are good and all that I play them both.
>
>A2 was good, except for the CCs... that was too overpowering (need I remind
>you of
>Chun's 40 hit CC...) A3 is good, except for the V-ism nonsense... I can mash
>buttons with V-Ryu, and do around 50+% damage... And a few other things (a
>certain
>long-limbed indian comes to mind).
>
>> but..........
>>
>> SF3:2I is alot better This game makes you think.
>> It makes you stop and think should I dash at them and then do the universal
>> overhead or should I do this or this.. ya know what I mean.[I think.] In A3
>oh
>> let me rush them and break there guard meter and then do a Super WOW. Yeah
>it
>> takes alot skill to do that. Karin she puts you in the corner and then
>breaks
>> your meter than she starts QCF+P,F+K knocks them in the air. F,D,DF+K, then
>the
>> Super(Juggles) them and keeps on juggling, and if the Person is stupid
>enough
>> to do 2P air escape that is would be the stupidest thing U can do coz then
>they
>> start the juggle all over again, that is TOTAL BULL SHIT. That Part of the
>GAME
>> SUCKS.
>
>Well, let me think about this... (grammar corrected) "Let me rush them and
>break
>their guard meter and then do a Super. WOW" Now, I've got a question. How
>exactly
>do you just 'rush and break their guard meter'? Last I checked, most guard
>meters
>were pretty big, and you can't just walk forward and hope to break it by
>jabbing
>them to death... at least not with Karin (Rolento maybe...) I would be
>inclined to
>agree with you if it was that easy to break a guard meter, but I dare you to
>attempt something like that with Karin on my X-gief... I will laugh as you
>try,
>c.jab you a few times and then SPD your sorry behind so hard that you'll have
>to
>pull down your pants to take a look around...
>
>> In 2I you have to know more than a cheap Juggle You have to parry the
>Attack at
>> the right moment and then unleash a combo that will work at that situation.
>U
>
>So you're saying that, instead of going through a complicated string of
>attacks to
>actually break someone's guard meter, you have to press towards or down at
>the
>right time and then chain into super? Oh, that sounds *much* harder...
>
>> have to have good defense to Parry at the right moment. And then good
>enough
>> Skill to put your enemy away. And since you PPL can't do that ya think
>Parrys
>> suck. If U don't like em don't Use em' DUHHHHHH!
>
>Ano... that's like saying "I have a gun, and you have a gun, but I don't like
>mine,
>so I will try to punch you to death while you point your gun at me". The
>combos in
>SF3 are *so* freaking eassy that even *I* (I'm a total scrub, I just like
>playing
>SF because of my cousins when I was little) can pull off with ease (Krazy Ken
>comes
>to mind... thanks Onaje, I was wondering what that trick was called! ^^)...
>
>> I've also witnessed this guy he was a Parry Master and NICE with Yun. And
>then
>> this guy came in he did'nt Parry not once and he beat the Shit out of him.
>> Using SEAN the man. Well don't flame me. I am telling all ya how I feel
>Wether
>
>Ok, let me get this straight... if this guy is a Parry Master, how come he
>got hit?
>The way the game is set up, it is possible to parry every single thing thrown
>at
>you, including supers. So how did he lose? Maybe he wasn't such a Parry
>Master
>after all...
>
>> U like it or not. I don't give a FUCK. This is not scrub talk or nothing
>take
>> it how ever U want coz I still don't give a fuck!
>
>Alright, I'm going to start ranting here... You've been warned. ^^
>
>Sir, I have to ask you something. If you don't give a <expletive deleted>,
>why are
>you still posting here? Are you trying to convince us of the error of our
>ways?
>Could this many people, who have posted countless tidbits of data and
>information
>(correct, I might add... And a big HI THERE to Mike Z (I think it was Mike
>Z),
>who's Chun MSF combos I tried and loved, especially that 6-jump combo,
>although it
>took me forever to get it down) all be wrong? I hardly think so...
>
>This leads me to conclude a few things.
>
>1. You aren't reading our posts. I admit, I am not as big a poster as some of
>the
>more esteemed regulars here, but I try. And I read! Perhaps you think
>otherwise,
>but that's no reason to completely disregard their information. SF3:2I is a
>pain in
>the rear, because parries make it too defensive. I'd much rather they have
>stuck in
>Alpha Counters that do almost no damage, and take off 1/3 of a super meter
>than
>those God-Awful parries. Do you honestly think that the fact that someone can
>parry
>every single attack thrown at him (or in my case, her), and then retaliate
>(since
>the person being parried is still in stun animation) with a 50%
>combo-into-dizzy
>doesn't make this game unbalanced in any respects whatsoever?
>
>2. You seem to enjoy using profanity as evidence when you are trying to make
>a
>point. Here's a little hint, Junior.. Profanity doesn't work. It just makes
>you
>look silly, since you don't know what you're talking about.
>
>3. You refute your own point. You complain that a guard crush is too easy in
>A3,
>and that you can get rocked easily by someone GCing-into-super. Then you turn
>around and say that there's so much skill involved in parrying, then
>comboing.
>Somehow, I think that a series of well-thought-out attacks in order to GC
>somebody
>requires much more skill than tapping towards or down at the right time?
>Maybe I'm
>wrong, I *am* just a girl after all.
>
>4. You keep saying you don't care, but then you keep posting. Are you on some
>sort
>of evangelical journey, trying to show us the error of our ways by calling us
>names
>and making lame attempts at convincing? I'm sure that will work very well...
>
>Alright, it's about over...
>
>I've noticed a few things... here they are, in order of appearance.
>
>1. You make these lame claims, and assume that it is all true since
JB Gainz
>LazyJae, your days are numbered. Believe me, if I could get over there to
>New York, my average Rose and my average Gen would walk ramshod over you.
LOL.... someone takes games a little too serioulsy. By the way, I still don't
see practicing a video game with relentless effort a practical use of a human
beings time. Maybe if I entered tournies for money, but I play games to have
fun and a challenge. With the effort and seriousness you put into your playing
I hope you put it to a real use...
I take it you are going to the big ECCE4 .. or something and another..
Peace out...
JB GAINZ
Chocobo
> Well, I have to back up Lazy Jae on this one. Parries are a great element of
> the game. Everything in a game can be abused, but parries are hardly that bad.
> What is the result of abusing parries... nothing, no damage loss for the
> oponent. What is the result for being a fireball scrub... lots of lost
> chipping damage. What is the result for tapping the Strong attacks relentless
> until you can pull off a super... lots of chip damage from a super. I think the
> big opposition to parries is that they are something way different from Alpha.
> People can perform cheap corner traps and juggles anymore like in Alpha. AC
> were a pointless element of SFA3. In a couple of years, parries will be an
> important element of SF and eveyone will like em. It will be just like super
> combos when they first came out and everyone hated them. Both SFA3 and SF3 are
> good series, but SF3 seems more oriented on balanced gameplay, which I find a
> big plus. SFA3 seems to have a few bugs (I'll call them that for my purpose)
> with long ass juggles and unfair character advantages.. V- Dhalsim
> By the way, I failed to read the intire post of Atsuko, because it was just too
> damn long! Do you serioulsy think Jae and other posters are going to ready the
> whole thing! Short and sweet, my lady.. short and sweet.
Not really short and sweet... it was pretty long, considering you quoted an entire
huge message for no reason. Anyway... you seem to be missing a VERY important
point. You said that the result of using parries is nothing? That's incorrect. The
result of using parries is a free combo of choice for the person doing the
parrying, which often is a very large combo that may result in over 50% life gone.
The opponent is getting punished for attacking. Parrying ruins the game, just like
losing 50% life for blocking in A3 and MVC, and losing 50% life for standing up in
Alpha 2.
James Margaris
>Well, I have to back up Lazy Jae on this one. Parries are a great element of
>the game. Everything in a game can be abused, but parries are hardly that bad.
> What is the result of abusing parries... nothing, no damage loss for the
>oponent.
OK, so you missed the fundamental point. After you parry an attack you are
free to super the opponent. If parries just let you avoid block damage no one
would complain, but the fact is that a close parry by a good player means you
will eat a super or combo. Play against someone who can do this and then get
back to us.
You do the Alex Headstomp? I parry, goodbye 25-50% life.
James M
Onaje Everett
> streaks belive him. I remember the Broadway Arcade days. He went on a 33 game
> win Streak in SFA2. Then in Alpha 1 in Playland he went on 20+ win Streak, In
> MSH the day it came out with Cap America a 20+ Game win Streak. X-Men vs SF
> like 20+, MvSF I have'nt seen him play this that much, And in MvC he has gone
> want. We play very Similar but his combo's are deadlier.
News flash: Win streaks don't matter against scrubs.
The true proof of skill lies in tournament play. NOTHING else matters.
Prove yourself in a tournament. Otherwise, don't post...because your posts
don't tell us that you (or he) possess any skill, either.
Onaje Everett
o_ev...@hotmail.com
"I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
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Onaje Everett
> the game. Everything in a game can be abused, but parries are hardly that
bad.
> What is the result of abusing parries... nothing, no damage loss for the
> oponent.
I'm sorry, but 50% damage for abusing a parry (which is basicaly sitting
there and waiting for only THAT THING) is not equal to 0% (which would be no
damage).
You see, it's not what the thing itself does, it's what it LEADS to.
Logic, my friend. Logic.
What is the result for being a fireball scrub... lots of lost
> chipping damage.
Wrong. You eat a dizzy combo by my hand if it's pre-Alpha SF; you eat a combo
ending with a knockdown move followed by some sort of wake-up game if it's
Alpha; you eat a combo into super if I have a level and it's Alpha, Marvel, or
ST; or you eat a chain into special move into super combo if it's SF3.
If you can't get out of the old FB/DP trap by now (and it's going on NINE
years old), you just plain suck. Learn how to jump straight up or learn how
to anticipate FB attempts.
Everyone look at what JB posted. THAT is the purest example of a scrub
posting.
> What is the result for tapping the Strong attacks relentless
> until you can pull off a super... lots of chip damage from a super.
Wrong, you pick a fast super and you use it the second they hit strong and it
will nail them. Hmmm...let me name them all:
Ryu: Shinkuu Hadouken (you should be attacking them, anyway)
Ken: Shippu Jinrai Kyaku (same as above)
Ibuki: Hashin Sho
Yang: Tenshin Senkyutai (best super art for this stupid tactic)
Yun: If you're playing SF3:NG, same as Yang. If not, you should be attacking!
Oro: Any (the key is to stay close so that they can't whiff strongs)
Dudley: Corkscrew Blow or Rolling Thunder (RT is best)
Elena: Brave Dance (lovely at picking off recovering attacks)
Hugo: Hammer Frenzy (If you're Hugo, you need to be close anyway...he dies to
turtles)
Alex: Stun Gun Head Butt (my favorite move to use against whiffers)
Sean: Hyper Tornado or HADO...BURST!!! (Duh!)
Urien: Aegis Reflector (full screen range and fairly instant...can't get much
better)
Akuma: Messatsu Gou-Hadouken (same comment as Ryu)
Once again, you show your scrubbiness to the world. Well done.
I think
the
> big opposition to parries is that they are something way different from Alpha.
As you keep proving, you don't nkow how to comprehend what you read.
> People can perform cheap corner traps and juggles anymore like in Alpha.
HAH! When were corner traps cheap? I always got out of them with a precisely
placed poke or well-timed super or high priority move. They're far from cheap
if you're good. If you're not good, you'll get out-thought every time.
> AC were a pointless element of SFA3.
So? We're not talking about A3. Even if we were, I'd admit that Alpha
Counters could stand to do more damage, but they're still useful to get out
of VCs (sometimes). Still, this is an example of a move that has little
risk, but even smaller reward attached to it. Parries give litle risk for
way too much.
See my point, yet?
In a couple of years, parries will be an
> important element of SF and eveyone will like em.
I hope not. Here's a suggestion.....whatever you do, just don't start making
games. Please don't.
> It will be just like super
> combos when they first came out and everyone hated them.
I didn't hate them. I liked them, in fact. Heck, just about everyone liked
them. Where are you getting this from??
Both SFA3 and SF3
are
> good series, but SF3 seems more oriented on balanced gameplay, which I find a
> big plus.
You STILL haven't played this game to it's potential. you keep showing it
day by day. Ibuki, Yun, Akuma, and Yang rule 2I. Sean can contend with Yun,
but that's as far as he goes up the ladder. Everyone else has a very hard
time with the top four, thus they are rated a whole tier below them.
Wake up and smell the coffee. SF3:2I is NOT balanced. Neither was SF3.
> SFA3 seems to have a few bugs (I'll call them that for my purpose)
> with long ass juggles and unfair character advantages
You're typing like a scrub again.
You can only get a long juggle on someone in two instances:
1. You're using V-ism mode and you're currently in a VC.
2. Your opponent is flipping out of the air when he shouldn't.
As for the character balance, there's your first correct statement of the
week. Congratulations!
> By the way, I failed to read the intire post of Atsuko, because it was just
too
> damn long!
It wasn't. You just read slow.
> Do you serioulsy think Jae and other posters are going to ready
the
> whole thing! Short and sweet, my lady.. short and sweet.
No. Short and sweet doesn't win debates. Try going to one and watching.
And, by the way, common sense tells you that when you're not using the
included text, you DELETE IT! Hello, McFly!!
You really need to get it together. You're so disillusioned that it's
hopelessly hilarious. Sorry for being so harsh, but dang...you're just NOT
getting it.
Ultima
[snip]
> News flash: Win streaks don't matter against scrubs.
I agree with this, BUT:
> The true proof of skill lies in tournament play. NOTHING else matters. [slash]
Okay, this I disagree with. "NOTHING else matters", ONaje? Come on.
Tournament play is good at determining who's got the greatest nerves as
well as greatest skill (or who can abuse the game engine the most, where
applicable). While I'm not claiming that tournament play is not our best
indicator of skill, it's not the only one nor is it so singularly
important that "NOTHING else matters". Some players are damn good, but
just aren't tournament worthy. Say, you haven't won any tournies have
you? You don't think that you suck do you? :p
Don't be so hard on the non-tourny players. If they could play in the
right areas, they *could* be some of the best y'know? :p
Be that as it may, there's a big difference between "not tourny-worthy"
and "scrub". And win streaks vs. scrubs definitely don't count... :p
--
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arcade
Onaje Everett
Ultima <jas...@rit.edu> wrote:
> Onaje Everett (FreshOJ) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > News flash: Win streaks don't matter against scrubs.
>
> I agree with this, BUT:
>
> > The true proof of skill lies in tournament play. NOTHING else matters.
[slash]
>
> Okay, this I disagree with. "NOTHING else matters", ONaje? Come on.
> Tournament play is good at determining who's got the greatest nerves as
> well as greatest skill (or who can abuse the game engine the most, where
> applicable). While I'm not claiming that tournament play is not our best
> indicator of skill, it's not the only one nor is it so singularly
> important that "NOTHING else matters". Some players are damn good, but
> just aren't tournament worthy. Say, you haven't won any tournies have
> you? You don't think that you suck do you? :p
Hey now....my toes are tender!!! Don't be steppin' on my toes!! :)
Well, I wasn't in the best of moods when I typed that, so it came out kinda
harsh. When I start throwing absolutes around like that, I'm overdoing it.
But anyway, I agree that tournaments aren't the ONLY indicator of skill.
However, they are the best, as you agreed. The only other thing that you
could really use is versus play against people that are tournament worthy.
Everyone that I play with on a regular basis (the SDSU players and the San
Diego a.g.sf2 players), has been in at least one tourney. And, might I add,
they've all done pretty well with their shot. So, I at least know that when
I can play Bob (Painter) and give him a run for his money most of the time,
I've got some amount of skill. But, my biggest indicator of my skill is when
I've gone to tourneys and done fairly well (i.e. the Dec. 19 SHGL tourney).
Still, you have to not only test yourself (I mean TRULY test yourself), but
you also have to be able to evaluate yourself honestly. When I first
traveled up to SHGL to be in a tourney, I was thrououghly expecting to kick
some serious butt. Then...I played...and lost horribly. Why? I hadn't
played anyone outside of the city. I had a VERY poor idea of just how good I
was because I hadn't seen what's really out there.
So, yeah...maybe there are some people out there that are better that can't
get to tournaments for whatever reason. I still say that they haven't proven
themselves until they haven't been to a tourney. You can TRY to evaluate
yourself based on how you do in that little arcade you go to (like I did for
YEARS), but you'll never truly know until you've fought the best. The best
place to find the best are at tournaments.
> Don't be so hard on the non-tourny players. If they could play in the
> right areas, they *could* be some of the best y'know? :p
> Be that as it may, there's a big difference between "not tourny-worthy"
> and "scrub". And win streaks vs. scrubs definitely don't count... :p
Well....I don't think there's a big difference. I mean...I wouldn't say I'm
extremely tourney worthy and I know players that aren't as good as me, but
they're still tourney worthy. It tends to be that the scrubs get just plain
walked over in tourneys, while those that are better can manage.
Of course, it all depends on what kind of field you've got for the
tournament. I mean, if you gather the top 31 SF players in the U.S. and then
stick me in there....well....I don't exactly know how I'd do, but I kinda
doubt I'd win more than two matches (unless "somebody" was on my side the
whole time). A scrub, however, would get thoroughly destroyed. Now, gather
a field of 31 players, distributing equally the skill level of each player on
the skill spectrum from newbie to expert. Now...put me in there. I'll
definitely get rid of the newbies and scrubs (I do it most of the time) and I
should be able to take out the average players, as well. The good players
are where the real fights will be. As for the experts....I might not make it
that far. A scrub might beat a newbie and might beat another scrub....but
those that know what they're doing (average players usually know a little
something about what they're doing) will "teach" them with pain (ala
Psylocke's win quote). :)
Gee...did I ramble? :)
Benjamin Chen
making us look bad.
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:41:52 GMT, IceiKlez <ShadyP...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
>> Do me a favour: Burn your computer, and then go set yourself on fire.
>> That's a far superior alternative to putting up with you and The Other
>> Punk™'s mindless idiotic prattle.
>
>I will go do that. I will put on a bullet proof vest on and shoot my self in
>the head. I know why U PPL don't like NY becoz in NY U will find those PPL
>that will say the shit that is on there mind. As for My nigga lazyjae he is
>not coming to this dumb ass NG any more becoz he cannot be in environment
>where so many PPL hate 2I. Becoz of the Parry.
>
>Can I know?
>Shady Prodigy!
>
JB Gainz
>You said that the result of using parries is nothing? That's incorrect. The
>result of using parries is a free combo of choice for the person doing the
>parrying, which often is a very large combo that may result in over 50% life
>gone.
>The opponent is getting punished for attacking. Parrying ruins the game, just
>like
>losing 50% life for blocking in A3 and MVC, and losing 50% life for standing
>up in
>Alpha 2.
>
Chocobo.. thanks for responding in an unbiased nature.. everyone else was
obviously anti-parry and did not up there argue with good examples... and less
than displomatic nature..
Also, people respost messages of the previous post so others know who there
are responding to. Sometimes posts are not in order of responses. Therefore
copying the post is nessary.
JB Gainz
Why did you respond twice to the same message. Bored little scrub... what a
shame
Onaje Everett
Who's the bigger scrub? The one that posts twice because he has useful
information and truth to share....or the one that does nothing but waste
bandwidth?
If you plan to tangle with me, think first. Then...think again.
But yeah...I was bored. That's what happens when you take care of business
early in the week. Hmmm....you didn't consider THAT angle, did you? :)
Funny, isn't it? I can easily out-think you by using something you
don't.....logic.
BTW, how many FAQs are you in the credits on? I'm on at least two, both of
them combo FAQs. Who are you, again? I've been in tournaments and have
played known tournament players and had THEM complement me on my skill. What
have YOU done? Yeah...just like I thought....nothing but a wannabe.
Bottom line: You can't talk about me unless you actually contribute something
or prove yourself in a concrete way.
Now, do you want more, or shall we end this here and now in a mature fashion?
Onaje Everett
jbg...@aol.com (JB Gainz) wrote:
>
>
> >You said that the result of using parries is nothing? That's incorrect. The
> >result of using parries is a free combo of choice for the person doing the
> >parrying, which often is a very large combo that may result in over 50% life
> >gone.
> >The opponent is getting punished for attacking. Parrying ruins the game, just
> >like
> >losing 50% life for blocking in A3 and MVC, and losing 50% life for standing
> >up in
> >Alpha 2.
>
> Chocobo.. thanks for responding in an unbiased nature.. everyone else was
> obviously anti-parry and did not up there argue with good examples... and less
> than displomatic nature..
I guess Chocobo is the only one that got through....'cause everyone else was
saying the exact same thing.
At least you got it. That's the important part.