Rankings for the FAQ
Rodrigo Benevides
Hello,
Someone suggested that the FAQ for the newsgroup should contain rankings. How
about we discuss them? I dont know much, i'll try some, please add/correct:
SF2:WW
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Top: Guile and Dhalsim
Mid: Honda, Z and Blanka
Bot: Ryu/Ken and Chun
CE
--
Top: Guile, Bison, Vega ?
Bot: Balrog, Chun ?
HF
--
Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
Bot: Balrog ?
SSF2
--
Top: Sagat ?
Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
ST
--
Top: Balrog, Vega ?
Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
SFA
---
Top: Guy, Akuma, Ken ?
Bot: Sagat, Dan ?
SFA2
----
Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
SFA3
----
Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
COTA
----
Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
XsF
---
Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
DS1,2,3
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Dont know, heard something Bishamon being good in one of them
MSH, MsF, MvC, All SFEX's
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Dont know!
All these are guesses, even those without ? after. Please try to be
constructive. Instead of "WHAT!!! No way you sucker, ??? kicks ass!", try to
explain your opinions. Rankings from magazines are welcomed, if possible from
US and Japan, for comparison.
Also what you think it's best: Include these in the FAQ or create a separate
FAQ on rankings? I think it's better ask Shaun first, as he's the faq keeper.
Rodrigo
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Chocobo
> Hello,
>
> Someone suggested that the FAQ for the newsgroup should contain rankings. How
> about we discuss them? I dont know much, i'll try some, please add/correct:
I have a feeling this will turn into a huge thread... I also don't think that it
will be very useful, because there are always going to be people who think they
know everything but they're really completely wrong, and you have no way of
knowing whose rankings to believe...
> HF
> --
> Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
> Bot: Balrog ?
Guile was very high, I believe. I'm not sure about Sagat being up there, but I'm
not positive on either one.
>
> SSF2
> --
> Top: Sagat ?
> Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
Yeah, Sagat was #1. T.Hawk was among the worst... I don't know about Cammy, but
Fei Long certainly wasn't right at the bottom.
>
> ST
> --
> Top: Balrog, Vega ?
> Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
Bison is pretty high, too.
> SFA
> ---
> Top: Guy, Akuma, Ken ?
> Bot: Sagat, Dan ?
I personally can't see how Bison isn't one of the best characters, but I've never
seen anyone else who thought so too. But basically, you're right about the top 3.
I'd say Sagat and Charlie for the bottom... or maybe Birdie. Dan kinda kicked ass
in Alpha 1.
> SFA2
> ----
> Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
> Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
>
Add Ken to the top list... it looks like people are calling them the "big four" in
Alpha 2, now.
> SFA3
> ----
> Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
> Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
Birdie's definitely at the bottom, and probably Dan also. R.Mika is not.
> COTA
> ----
> Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
Silver Samurai could compete... but Cyclops was just awful.
> XsF
> ---
> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
I'm not so sure about putting Gief at the top... but then again, he does have the
easiest infinites to land in the game. I wouldn't say Ken is quite at the bottom,
though he was weak... Storm was pretty bad, and so was Juggernaut, though Juggy
did have some tricks.
> explain your opinions. Rankings from magazines are welcomed, if possible from
> US and Japan, for comparison.
Rankings from magazines might be entertaining, but in no way are they useful. A
Japanese magazine put T.Hawk as one of the top characters in either SSF2 or SSF2T,
and US magazines usually put Ken and Ryu at the top of every game, and Zangief
last.
> Also what you think it's best: Include these in the FAQ or create a separate
> FAQ on rankings? I think it's better ask Shaun first, as he's the faq keeper.
Probably best to make them a separate file... I don't know
Savior413
>Japanese magazine put T.Hawk as one of the top characters in either SSF2 or
>SSF2T,
They also had Birdie fifth in A2.
Wenchi Liao
Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Rodrigo Benevides wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Someone suggested that the FAQ for the newsgroup should contain rankings. How
>> about we discuss them? I dont know much, i'll try some, please add/correct:
>
>I have a feeling this will turn into a huge thread... I also don't think that it
>will be very useful, because there are always going to be people who think they
>know everything but they're really completely wrong, and you have no way of
>knowing whose rankings to believe...
>
>> HF
>> --
>> Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
>> Bot: Balrog ?
>
>Guile was very high, I believe. I'm not sure about Sagat being up there, but I'm
>not positive on either one.
Ryu was up there because of the incredible fb trap, and the invincible
hk. I think the ``consensus'' at one point was that Ryu and Ken were
tops, with Ryu edging Ken out with the hk (it let Ryu out of fb
traps). If nobody noticed, getting out of fb traps and laying down a
corner shutdown is an integral part of HF play....
I guess Sagat would be on the same tier with his tiger shots, but it
just feels like the gap between Ken and Sagat is huge compared to the
gap between Ryu and Ken. I'd have to play again, but memory puts sagat
in the middle somewhere...
As apoc posted before, Balrog is pretty deadly in HF. Actually,
everybody was pretty deadly. I think everybody has a 3+ hit link/combo
that dizzied within the first 10 seconds, or pretty close to dizzy.
If there has to be a bottom, I'd put Chun-li and Vega there. Chun-li
because her ``new move'' seems pointless (the fireball) and she just
seems to lose big time to Ryu and the fb trap. Plus, her normal mode of
play (fast ground speed) eliminates the charge for her sbk with its
frame of invincibility. Using the low forwardx2 to charge only suckers
a person so many times. There are some odd combos with third-screen fb,
walk up and jab/throw, though.
Vega because his crouching strong doesn't seem to hit low (which loses to
crouching shorts/forwards), and low, low damage in general. I don't
remember being able to 2in1 the low short/forward, and the short time
to charge for the roll on a jump-in didn't help either. Very punishable
wall dive (with it's double hop) makes it less attractive, as well.
>> SSF2
>> --
>> Top: Sagat ?
>> Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
>
>Yeah, Sagat was #1. T.Hawk was among the worst... I don't know about Cammy, but
>Fei Long certainly wasn't right at the bottom.
I think jbb is the one to go, but T hawk can be really, really good.
His standing short, typhoon was pretty much inescapable, and the bounce
sets the tick up fairly well. That's my impression, although I played
this very, very few times.
WL
Shaun Patrick Mcisaac
>> Top: Sagat ?
>> Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
>
>Yeah, Sagat was #1. T.Hawk was among the worst... I don't know about Cammy, but
>Fei Long certainly wasn't right at the bottom.
Ryu was pretty good, as was Bison.
>> ST
>> Top: Balrog, Vega ?
>> Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
>Bison is pretty high, too.
O. Ken, O. Ryu, and O. Sagat are up there, usually. Akuma is #1 of
course, but he's banned by default.
>> SFA2
>> Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
>> Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
>Add Ken to the top list...
Uhm... ok. You meant Rose I geuss?
> it looks like people are calling them the "big four" in
>Alpha 2, now.
Hrm. Sodom and Bison should also be on the bottom list.
>> SFA3
>> ----
>> Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
>> Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
>
>Birdie's definitely at the bottom, and probably Dan also. R.Mika is not.
Where's A gen on the top list?
>> XsF
>> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
>though he was weak... Storm was pretty bad, and so was Juggernaut, though Juggy
>did have some tricks.
Storm's infinite is one of the hardest, IIRC, so she's bottom. Ken's
wasn't tooo bad.
>Rankings from magazines might be entertaining, but in no way are they useful. A
>Japanese magazine put T.Hawk as one of the top characters in either SSF2 or SSF2T,
>and US magazines usually put Ken and Ryu at the top of every game, and Zangief
>last.
Don't forget Birdie serving the beats in A2.
>> Also what you think it's best: Include these in the FAQ or create a separate
>> FAQ on rankings? I think it's better ask Shaun first, as he's the faq keeper.
>Probably best to make them a separate file... I don't know
May as well add it.
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>DS1,2,3
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>Dont know, heard something Bishamon being good in one of them
I'm sure the experts will correct me if I'm wrong, but these are
the rankings I recall from newsgroup hearsay and from muddled recall of Gamest
rankings:
DS1 Top-tier: Bishamon, Demitri, Anakaris
Bottom-tier: Victor, Felicia
DS2 Top-tier: Bishamon, Pyron, Anakaris
Bottom-tier: Victor, Donovan
DS3 Top-tier: Demitri, Morrigan, Bishamon, Pyron (maybe)
Bottom-tier: Lilith, Victor, Sasquatch
I seem to recall Gamest ranking Jedah really low in the first VS -
any truth to this? Admittedly, with experience, he really becomes a non-issue,
but his ability to inspire terror in scrubs with saw/contract traps makes
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> > HF
> > --
> > Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
> > Bot: Balrog ?
>
> Guile was very high, I believe. I'm not sure about Sagat being up there, but
I'm
> not positive on either one.
Guile is high up there, but Ryu and his fb trap is nigh-unstopable. I think I
would put Bison ahead of Sagat, and maybe Balrog (depends on who you talk to).
> >
> > SSF2
> > --
> > Top: Sagat ?
> > Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
>
> Yeah, Sagat was #1. T.Hawk was among the worst... I don't know about Cammy,
but
> Fei Long certainly wasn't right at the bottom.
I must concur, Fei Long is definitely not bottom tier. He gave anyone who
threw a fb (except Ryu) a very hard time, and around here, he destroys Blanka.
I wouldn't put Sagat at the top, at all. People keep saying how T.Hawk has
this awesome jab and shouldn't even be in the bottom tier. I still think
they're wrong, he should be bottom tier, just not the worst. I guess that
leaves Cammy and Blanka. Bison is top tier, then Ryu (either tie or close
second).
> >
> > ST
> > --
> > Top: Balrog, Vega ?
> > Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
>
> Bison is pretty high, too.
I think O.Sagat is #1. Ryu and Bison can make a stake for it, and O.Ken isn't
all that bad. But, imo, O.Sagat barely edges these others out.
> > SFA
> > ---
> > Top: Guy, Akuma, Ken ?
> > Bot: Sagat, Dan ?
>
> I personally can't see how Bison isn't one of the best characters, but I've
never
> seen anyone else who thought so too. But basically, you're right about the
top 3.
> I'd say Sagat and Charlie for the bottom... or maybe Birdie. Dan kinda kicked
ass
> in Alpha 1.
I didn't see anyone playing too awesome of an Akuma, since, AFAIK, he didn't
have those deadly chains that Guy and Ken had. Some mag said Bison was #1 b/c
he could throw double-fbs. I haven't seen it. If it's true, I can see how
it's hard to get out of.
> > SFA2
> > ----
> > Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
> > Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
> >
>
> Add Ken to the top list... it looks like people are calling them the "big
four" in
> Alpha 2, now.
I heard Valle say that Ryu is #1. I think he's too awesome of a player to
differentiate at degree. But, I won't argue. Chun and Ken are definitely
tops. I put them ahead of Ryu b/c they CC and AC better. Dan is definitely
not at the bottom.
> > SFA3
> > ----
> > Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
> > Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
> Birdie's definitely at the bottom, and probably Dan also. R.Mika is not.
I still haven't played as much as I want to. I see nothing good coming out
of R.Mika and think she's a true circus freak. I use her when I feel giddy.
But, I shouldn't comment, since I'm extremely bad w/her. The consesus seems
to be that Birdie is at the bottom. I wouldn't put V-Dan at the bottom.
> > COTA
> > ----
> > Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> > Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
>
> Silver Samurai could compete... but Cyclops was just awful.
I've never seena a good SS. I never knew that Cyclops was bad (hey, I use
Cyclops). Iceman was a favorite, IIRC. If you talk to Seth Killian (or even
watch him play), then you'll know that Sentinel is the best, hands down.
Dale
JasonTC01
> ----
> Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
Omega Red knocks the Sentinel off. SS is not at the bottom. Cyclops was
garbage in that game, and Akuma is at the bottom too.
>> SFA3
>> ----
>> Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
>> Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
Dan belongs with Birdie, not R. Mika. Dan is the most pathetic character in a
fighting game. I hate him because he acts retarded! He's always doing
someting dumb on the screen (like jumping around for his super taunt in MSF,
crying and whining like a sissy, etc). The only way one wins with Dan is to
annoy your opponent to death.
>> XsF
>> ---
>> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
Tooth belongs where Zan is (100% of a team counter is lethal). Tooth was
better than Wolvie. Rogue is NOT the bottom- she's quite good. Ken is not at
the bottom either. The bottom belongs to Storm and Juggie.
MSH
Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
MSF
Top: Cyclops, Wolverine, Omega Red
Bottom: Blackheart, Sakura
MvC
Top: Strider, Zangief, Wolverine
Bottom: Roll, MM
Chocobo
> In article <371BFE90...@mindspring.com>,
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> ST
> >> Top: Balrog, Vega ?
> >> Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
> >Bison is pretty high, too.
>
> O. Ken, O. Ryu, and O. Sagat are up there, usually. Akuma is #1 of
> course, but he's banned by default.
Oh yeah, I forgot the old characters.
>
> >> SFA2
> >> Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
> >> Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
> >Add Ken to the top list...
>
> Uhm... ok. You meant Rose I geuss?
Oh. Yeah, that's right. Dumb mistake.
Ultima
> > COTA
> > ----
> > Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> > Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
> Omega Red knocks the Sentinel off. SS is not at the bottom. Cyclops was garbage in that game, and Akuma is at the bottom too.
I thought Julien Beasley's Jumping Roundhouse was virtually unbeatable?
I don't know, as I've never played COTA, but I thought I heard something
to that effect.
[snip]
> >> XsF
> >> ---
> >> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
> >> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
> Tooth belongs where Zan is (100% of a team counter is lethal). Tooth was better than Wolvie. Rogue is NOT the bottom- she's quite good. Ken is not at the bottom either. The bottom belongs to Storm and Juggie.
> MSH
>
> Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
> Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
Never played these to any real extent, so I'm not going to argue this.
> MSF
> Top: Cyclops, Wolverine, Omega Red
> Bottom: Blackheart, Sakura
NOw here's where you'll get arguments. I don't think Cyclops's top-tier
(I'd place him upper-middle for the most), and Blackheart's not bottom
tier (keep-away, low short, s.forward all powerful). True bottom tier
belongs to Sakura and Ken, IMO.
> MvC
> Top: Strider, Zangief, Wolverine
> Bottom: Roll, MM
Megaman's middle tier. Zangief *could* be top tier, but I think he has
way too many tough match-ups to make that so. Red Venom's top tier, and
so's Chun Li.
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<robo...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>In article <371BFE90...@mindspring.com>,
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>> > SFA2
>> > ----
>> > Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
>> > Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
>> >
>>
>four" in
>> Alpha 2, now.
>
>I heard Valle say that Ryu is #1. I think he's too awesome of a player to
>differentiate at degree. But, I won't argue. Chun and Ken are definitely
>tops. I put them ahead of Ryu b/c they CC and AC better. Dan is definitely
>not at the bottom.
Put Dhalsim in the bottom, as well. If you absolutely must win
against Dhalsim, you can get a lead and sit in defensive crouch for
the rest of the match. There's nothing he can do about it.
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Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
>COTA
>----
>Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
>Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
My ass, Silver Samurai at the bottom. Spiral is the worst, IMHO. And Wolverine is just spastic cheese in that game.
>XsF
>---
>Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
Definitely not Rogue. Ken doesn't suck either. I don't think there's a singular "bad" character, but the bottom is definitely
Bison. And Apocalypse *grin*
>MSH, MsF, MvC, All SFEX's
>---
>Dont know!
MSH - I think the top would be Psylocke or Spider-Man. Bottom would probably be Blackheart even though it's very possible to play
a good Blackheart.
MvSF - Tops are Omega Red and Spider-Man. Bottom is probably Sakura and Ken, not sure though.
MvC - Top characters are Strider Hiryu and Chun-Li, and perhaps Wolverine. Bottom would probably be Orange Hulk, Roll, Ken-mode
Ryu, "Lilith" Morrigan.
All post IMHO.
Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
>>> XsF
>>> ---
>>> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>>> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
>better than Wolvie. Rogue is NOT the bottom- she's quite good. Ken is not at
>the bottom either. The bottom belongs to Storm and Juggie.
I'd have to disagree with you on Storm, I've seen one good Storm and she can be really annoying. Juggy is not that great, but not
the worst. The worst is Bison. Bad damage, bad angles, bad supers. Bad. Still, he has a three Psycho Crusher combo.
>MSH
>
>Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
>Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
Dr. Doom my ass. You're not playing him right. Blackheart can also be a very tough cookie, but he's probably the poorest.
>MSF
>Top: Cyclops, Wolverine, Omega Red
>Bottom: Blackheart, Sakura
Blackheart really should not be at the bottom here. Sakura and Ken, I think, are the worst in that game, Sakura with her weird
angle and Ken with his poor damage and zero keep away tactics. I think.
>MvC
>Top: Strider, Zangief, Wolverine
>Bottom: Roll, MM
Megaman? Nuh-uh. IMHO, the worst is Orange Hulk because he gives little damage and takes WAY too much. With a little damage
adjustment, he could be one of the best. And where is Hyper Venom? He should be up there too.
Ultima
> Rodrigo Benevides wrote in message <7fgqug$k3k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
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> >MSH, MsF, MvC, All SFEX's
> >---
> >Dont know!
> MSH - I think the top would be Psylocke or Spider-Man. Bottom would probably be Blackheart even though it's very possible to play
> a good Blackheart.
Depends on who you ask. Some say Spiderman followed by Captain America,
while I think Iron Man is considered top in Japan (someone correct me if
I'm wrong).
> MvSF - Tops are Omega Red and Spider-Man. Bottom is probably Sakura and Ken, not sure though.
Wolverine is also at the top. Wolvie-coptor and the easiest 100% combo
in existance.
> MvC - Top characters are Strider Hiryu and Chun-Li, and perhaps Wolverine. Bottom would probably be Orange Hulk, Roll, Ken-mode
> Ryu, "Lilith" Morrigan.
For top, (not necessarily in this order) Chun Li, Red Venom, Strider,
Wolverine. I've heard Venom, but I haven't played against a good Venom.
And concerning this thread, I think that rankings should either be dealt
with separately or else not used at ALL in the alt.games.sf2 FAQ. Gross
exceptions aside, they're too subjective. The best you could do is have
a listing of "official" rankings made by certain parties (like Gamest),
and even that would be useless except as "food for thought" (like WHY is
Biride ranked so highly in A2 there?)
Rodrigo Benevides
Ultima <jas...@rit.edu> wrote:
> JasonTC01 wrote:
>
> > > COTA
> > > ----
> > > Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> > > Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
>
garbage in that game, and Akuma is at the bottom too.
>
> I thought Julien Beasley's Jumping Roundhouse was virtually unbeatable?
> I don't know, as I've never played COTA, but I thought I heard something
> to that effect.
>
This was why I put him up and Wolvie because of block cancel after charging.
Always liked Omega, but didnt think he's top. SS got too much lag in all, but
you're right, he's not bottom, not with cyke (iceman's sparring) and akuma
(who looks like a dwarf in this game, too small).
> [snip]
>
> > >> XsF
> > >> ---
> > >> Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
> > >> Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
>
> > Tooth belongs where Zan is (100% of a team counter is lethal). Tooth was
better than Wolvie. Rogue is NOT the bottom- she's quite good. Ken is not at
the bottom either. The bottom belongs to Storm and Juggie.
>
Forget about 'Tooth. Put Zan there 'cause people say his infinite is the
easiest. The problem with Ken was his dash (or lack of). But Storm and Juggie
are worst than him, granted.
> > MSH
> >
> > Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
> > Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
>
> Never played these to any real extent, so I'm not going to argue this.
>
Doom is really that low? He seemed good in keep-away (fly'n'photon shock all
time)
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Rodrigo Benevides
robo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <371BFE90...@mindspring.com>,
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Rodrigo Benevides wrote:
>
> > > --
> > > Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
> > > Bot: Balrog ?
> >
> > Guile was very high, I believe. I'm not sure about Sagat being up there, but
> I'm
> > not positive on either one.
>
> Guile is high up there, but Ryu and his fb trap is nigh-unstopable. I think I
> would put Bison ahead of Sagat, and maybe Balrog (depends on who you talk to).
>
I was thinking on what happened around here. Everyone started playing with
Ryu and Guile, but after sometime, Sagat players suddenly popped all over the
place! (well, scrubs used Ken all the time :))
<snip>
> > > COTA
> > > ----
> > > Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> > > Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
> >
> > Silver Samurai could compete... but Cyclops was just awful.
>
> I've never seena a good SS. I never knew that Cyclops was bad (hey, I use
> Cyclops). Iceman was a favorite, IIRC. If you talk to Seth Killian (or even
> watch him play), then you'll know that Sentinel is the best, hands down.
I liked Cyke, but I had some tough fights with him (Iceman!). SS was a "noone
uses"-character around here. Even Spiral was more popular. What I heard about
Sentinel is that he's the best, only Wolvie had a chance.
>
> Dale
Waleed Mahdi
JasonTC01 wrote in message <19990420140247...@ng156.aol.com>...
Other stuff snipped.
>MSH
>Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
>Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
Is the Doc really *that* bad? Where's Anita? With her easy infinite and
her 60+% blocked super?
Rodrigo Benevides
spmc...@midway.uchicago.edu (Shaun Patrick Mcisaac) wrote:
> In article <371BFE90...@mindspring.com>,
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
useful. A
> >Japanese magazine put T.Hawk as one of the top characters in either SSF2 or
SSF2T,
> >and US magazines usually put Ken and Ryu at the top of every game, and
Zangief
> >last.
>
> Don't forget Birdie serving the beats in A2.
>
I thought exactly for the entertainment, for comparing with the ng rankings.
> >> Also what you think it's best: Include these in the FAQ or create a
separate
> >> FAQ on rankings? I think it's better ask Shaun first, as he's the faq
keeper.
> >Probably best to make them a separate file... I don't know
>
> May as well add it.
I asked 'cause it can become pretty large, so a separate file could be better.
Shaun could make it too, the faq being posted regularly and there could be a
link to the rankings in the faq, maybe? Or the rankings could be posted too,
like: 2 weeks, post FAQ, 2 weeks, post rankings.
Rodrigo Benevides
wl...@midway.uchicago.edu (Wenchi Liao) wrote:
> In article <371BFE90...@mindspring.com>,
> Chocobo <cho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> HF
> >> --
> >> Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
> >> Bot: Balrog ?
> >
> >Guile was very high, I believe. I'm not sure about Sagat being up there, but
I'm
> >not positive on either one.
>
> As apoc posted before, Balrog is pretty deadly in HF. Actually,
> everybody was pretty deadly. I think everybody has a 3+ hit link/combo
> that dizzied within the first 10 seconds, or pretty close to dizzy.
>
Well, i had lotsa problem with getting out of the fb trap with Balrog. I know
the Turn Around Punch is the key, as it has the invunerability in the
beginning, but i found it hard. Maybe it's just me. Balrog is one of the
characters i like best, but one of I have some difficulty (didnt play ST,
where people say he rocked). :p
> If there has to be a bottom, I'd put Chun-li and Vega there.
<snip> Chun was pretty bad, about Vega, everyone said you need to throw to
make damage with him (that's why he's lost much power in SFA3, V-Vega not
counting), but better said than done!
> >> SSF2
> >> --
> >> Top: Sagat ?
> >> Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
> >
> >Yeah, Sagat was #1. T.Hawk was among the worst... I don't know about Cammy,
but
> >Fei Long certainly wasn't right at the bottom.
>
> I think jbb is the one to go, but T hawk can be really, really good.
> His standing short, typhoon was pretty much inescapable, and the bounce
> sets the tick up fairly well. That's my impression, although I played
> this very, very few times.
>
My impression and of people here is that the new challengers were weak. Cammy
and Hawk below Fei Long and Dee Jay was the better of them. Sagat dominated
without doubt (last days of HF already had many Sagat players popping), Ryu
being good, too.
JasonTC01
>be really annoying. Juggy is not that great, but not
>the worst. The worst is Bison. Bad damage, bad angles, bad supers. Bad.
>Still, he has a three Psycho Crusher comb
Bison's bad, but the thing that saves him is his Psycho Crusher. On the
ground, it's one of the most damaging moves (as is the Headcrush), but what
saves Bison is the AC with the Psycho Crusher. If timed right, the enemy will
not fall off. I got 21 hits with a medium size character.
JasonTC01
>>
>>Top: Thanos, Spiderman,Captain America
>>Bottom: Doctor Doom, Blackheart
>
>
>very tough cookie, but he's probably the poorest.
>
I hope someone would say Dr. Doom had some redeeming qualities. I guess I'll
put Blackheart by himself.
>>MSF
>>Top: Cyclops, Wolverine, Omega Red
>>Bottom: Blackheart, Sakura
>
>
>Blackheart really should not be at the bottom here. Sakura and Ken, I think,
>are the worst in that game, Sakura with her weird
>angle and Ken with his poor damage and zero keep away tactics. I think.
>
Opps! I forgot about Ken. He's definitely down there.
>>MvC
>>Top: Strider, Zangief, Wolverine
>>Bottom: Roll, MM
>
>Megaman? Nuh-uh. IMHO, the worst is Orange Hulk because he gives little
>damage and takes WAY too much. With a little damage
>adjustment, he could be one of the best. And where is Hyper Venom? He
>should be up there too.
>
>
Yeah, your right. I keep forgeting about secret characters!
Onaje Everett
"Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr." <kicka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rodrigo Benevides wrote in message <7fgqug$k3k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
be Blackheart even though it's very possible to play
> a good Blackheart.
Stop it....stop it now!!!! :)
Guys....it's like this:
Top - Spider-Man and Captain America
Bottom - Blackheart
The great thing about this game is that it's very hard to determine the
bottom, but it's Blackheart because he has the least amount of offense.
SpiderDan would also say that Magneto belongs on the bottom and he has a good
argument for that, but I really don't think so. I'd argue it, but I really
don't have time.
Any comments?
Onaje Everett, just a humble lover of combos at (o_ev...@hotmail.com).
Meaning: The Sensitive One Nicknames: FreshOJ, DaJooce, The Juice
Mantra: "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
-Philippians 4:13
James Margaris
>In article <371CD596...@rit.edu>,
> Ultima <jas...@rit.edu> wrote:
>> JasonTC01 wrote:
>
> This was why I put him up and Wolvie because of block cancel after charging.
>Always liked Omega, but didnt think he's top. SS got too much lag in all, but
>you're right, he's not bottom, not with cyke (iceman's sparring) and akuma
>(who looks like a dwarf in this game, too small).
Why are people saying that Akuma is low in this game. Let me just
quickly list his strengths:
Super super fast low short. Great for ticking, high priority.
Almost always has super meter, thanks in pat ot air fireball. This
means he can always tech hit. Not only that, but he can tech out of any
throw at virtually any time, easiest tech in the game by far. He is basicaly
free to tick all day and counter-throwing is worthless.
Super Uppercut: One of the most damaging supers in the game, comes out
instantly so he can block cancel with it for 45-50% damage. Most damaging
super that you can block cancel effectively into.
Super Fireball: Decent block damage, bug makes last 2-3 hits
*unblockable* if opponent is landing on it at right place.
Air hurricane kick often dizzies someone who previously had zero dizzy
points, super high priority.
Another bug: Against some characters (Sentinel, Iceman, maybe more)
when they are knocked over if Akuma low shorts them fast enough they do *not*
get up off the ground. So, you do a low shortx3, low roudhouse, then dash up
and do the whole thing again and it will knock them over again and usually
dizzy them. Once Sentinel or Iceman hit the ground they are dead. Low short,
low forward, low roundhouse, they *can not* get up and block it.
Summary: Akuma can almost never be thrown, has no reason to fear
counter throws at all. If he makes you block a low short he puts you in a
low short/throw guessing game that is very heavily in his favor. In the air
his fireballs build huge meter and his hurricane has incredible priority and
dizzy ability. His air throw is also excellent, air throw -> air throw ->
fierce -> air fireball will combo on some characters.
Super meter almost always up, super moves insanely useful. Sentinel
and Iceman lose as soon as they are knocked over, which means they lose as
soon as hit by a low short. No way in hell is he at the bottom.
James M
Rodrigo Benevides
Ultima <jas...@rit.edu> wrote:
> Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr. wrote:
>
> > Rodrigo Benevides wrote in message <7fgqug$k3k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
> with separately or else not used at ALL in the alt.games.sf2 FAQ. Gross
> exceptions aside, they're too subjective. The best you could do is have
> a listing of "official" rankings made by certain parties (like Gamest),
> and even that would be useless except as "food for thought" (like WHY is
> Biride ranked so highly in A2 there?)
I started the thread 'cause rankings, despite being subjective, are a FAQ in
this ng. There's a lot of people asking who is top in game A, who sucks in
game B. What i suggest is making the rankings, but somewhat loose. Dont use
strict rankings, but instead put the chars in large tiers. Top, mid and
bottom should do it.
--
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JasonTC01
space gem is ultimate. He is middle to upper middle. Thanos belongs in the
Top Tier. He is the most dominant character in Marvel game period. If you
don't agree, just let somebody use the Mind Gem against you
>Subject: Re: Rankings for the FAQ
>From: Onaje Everett (FreshOJ) <o_ev...@hotmail.com>
>Date: 4/21/1999 12:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <7fl51u$hh1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
>
>In article <7fj8mg$1...@journal.concentric.net>,
> "Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr." <kicka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Rodrigo Benevides wrote in message <7fgqug$k3k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>
>> MSH - I think the top would be Psylocke or Spider-Man. Bottom would
>probably
>be Blackheart even though it's very possible to play
>> a good Blackheart.
>
>Stop it....stop it now!!!! :)
>
>Guys....it's like this:
>
>Top - Spider-Man and Captain America
>Bottom - Blackheart
>
>The great thing about this game is that it's very hard to determine the
>bottom, but it's Blackheart because he has the least amount of offense.
>
>SpiderDan would also say that Magneto belongs on the bottom and he has a good
>argument for that, but I really don't think so. I'd argue it, but I really
>don't have time.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Onaje Everett, just a humble lover of combos at (o_ev...@hotmail.com).
>Meaning: The Sensitive One Nicknames: FreshOJ, DaJooce, The Juice
>Mantra: "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
>-Philippians 4:13
>
Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
>SpiderDan would also say that Magneto belongs on the bottom and he has a good
>argument for that, but I really don't think so. I'd argue it, but I really
>don't have time.
I'd like to hear it, because I don't buy it at all. At least, not in MSH. XvSF, on the other hand...
Viscant
>probably
>be Blackheart even though it's very possible to play
>> a good Blackheart.
>
>Stop it....stop it now!!!! :)
>
>Guys....it's like this:
>
>Top - Spider-Man and Captain America
>Bottom - Blackheart
>
>The great thing about this game is that it's very hard to determine the
>bottom, but it's Blackheart because he has the least amount of offense.
>
>argument for that, but I really don't think so. I'd argue it, but I really
>don't have time.
I wouldn't put Magneto that close to Blackheart. Blackheart is ass (with one
notable exception against Spiderman), but Magneto is a little bit better.
Still, if you need a second man to fill your bottom tier, Magneto would be it.
For the other Marvel games:
XSF: (Aw, do I have to)
Top: Cyclops, maybe Wolverine, maybe Sabretooth
Middle: The pack
Bottom: Ken
MSF: (The only really rankable VS game)
Top: Omega Red, Wolverine, Spiderman, Ryu, Akuma, Hulk (Dan almost makes it,
as does Shuma)
Bottom: Shadow, Ken, Sakura
MvC: (Bleh)
Top: Strider, Chun-Li, Red Venom, Zangief
Up there because of team abilities: Both WMs, Gambit
Bottom: Lilith, Jin.
NOT bottom: Roll. Roll is not quite as bad as she's been made out to be. At
the very least, I know she can beat the bottom two and in team situations, she
can excel. She is very hard to hit and has access to the beat plane, the
ultimate time killing tool.
--Viscant, The Icy Rose
"Death becomes us all."
DOOMstadt
> > ----
> > Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
> > Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
>
> Silver Samurai could compete... but Cyclops was just awful.
<<I've never seena a good SS. I never knew that Cyclops was bad (hey, I use
Cyclops). Iceman was a favorite, IIRC. If you talk to Seth Killian (or even
watch him play), then you'll know that Sentinel is the best, hands down.>>
Duckable Jab Optic Blast (by Wolvie and Omega Red, maybe others), S. Roundhouse
that misses ducking opponents completely (in XSF and MSF, you can hit them
close). SLOW, uncomboable optic Blasts with a ton of recovery (and do little
damage). Pathethic damage on the Super Optic Blast. Mega Optic Blast is too
small. Combos suck (every decent move Cyke has sents the opponent flying
across the screen, making good combos impossible), no Cyclone Kick, No block
damage on Iceman. In a world of easy instant dizzy combos, he had the absolute
hardest. The best Cyke could do is throw into his MOB or try to tick the
opponent to death. He cannont build the meter up quickly. I'm not sure about
his priority, but I don't think it's as good as in MSF and XSF.
Graham Fredrick
> DS1 Top-tier: Bishamon, Demitri, Anakaris
> Bottom-tier: Victor, Felicia
>
> DS2 Top-tier: Bishamon, Pyron, Anakaris
> Bottom-tier: Victor, Donovan
>
> DS3 Top-tier: Demitri, Morrigan, Bishamon, Pyron (maybe)
> Bottom-tier: Lilith, Victor, Sasquatch
I really don't think Pyron has a chance at being top tier in DS3. He is
mobile, but his chains seem very weak, especially compared to Bishamon.
Victor on the other hand, can do some insane damage but his moves are so
slow...
Graham Fredrick
"Some days you don't notice the little things in life.
But some days you do, and those are the days
that will drive you nuts." - J.H.
Cammy White
its top tier. ^_^ I guess that's why everyone thinks MSH is the pinnacle of Marvel
gaming (it really *is* pretty balanced, isn't it?).
My guesses at top/bottom would be:
Top: Spidey, Wolvie
Bottom: Hulk, Blackheart
Notice something? The big guys on bottom, the small ones on top. Dang pixies, too
much pixie dust everywhere...
(Yes, I know Hulk was pretty good, but a Hulk without Super armor was a Hulk that I
didn't like to use too much because I couldn't buffer charge moves worth diddly
when I *did* play MSH)
--Cammy, the Mean Green Smashing Machine (not) Scrub
"Studying hard? Hardly Studying!"
"Get me off what?"
"O_O;"
David Wright
Top Tier:
Anita :)
Top tier because no one has a prayer of touching her. She is GOD.
Just Below Top Tier:
Thanos - Combos from hell, shitloads of cheapass supers :)
Spiderman - I think everyone agrees with this dude :)
Wolverine - I'm suprised no one mentioned him, excellent dash traps, combos off
throws, various infinites, he's got it all
Psylocke-while lacking on infinites, she's the best abusers of the gems IMO, and
still a VERY solid character. If you play without gems I'd probably put her
middle though.
Middle:
Ironman-Excellent keepaway character, excellent priority, he just barely doesn't
make top tier. He's hard as hell to use though.
Hulk-Simple yet effective basically.
Captain America-He HURTS for such a fast character.
Shuma Gorath-throws are fun :)
Dr. Doom-his specials and supers are good, what keeps him from being bottom tier
with his weak normals.
Juggernaught-UNSTOPPABLE! (almost :)
Bottom:
Magneto
Blackheart
Both of these characters can still contend,, but there has to be a worst
somewhere :)
This is of course my opinion :) You can of course adjust these depending on if
you use gems/infinites/etc.
SF2Freak
WhoaMoses
like Mike Z....well the real Mike might sound like that after he reads this,
but....
JasonTC01
>Date: 4/21/1999 8:05 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <371e8106...@news.erols.com>
I'd have to put Thanos on top of this one. Nobody else can compete. Magneto
is better than Juggy, Blackheart, the Hulk, Iron Man, and Dr. Doom. He's quite
good in XSF. Why are people underestimating Magnus?
JasonTC01
>From: vis...@aol.com (Viscant)
>Date: 4/21/1999 5:44 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990421194428...@ng-cg1.aol.com>
There sure are alot of people for that top. I think the resason why I would
keep Spidey out of the top tier is because he takes too much work to win with.
I was pecking away at my friend for ages with Spidey AC s for what seemed liked
days. His Supers hurt him. Red makes up for this by having a very damaging
AC. I completely left Ryu off of my top, but I should have known better (I
wrote a Faq on him!). Akuma is much worse than Ryu. Given all of the shotokans
have so-so air priority. His priority is lower on his combo starters ( on his
S. Short ), his FB is not as good, does crap, his VC is as bad as Ken' s and so
is the Shoryureppa, he takes damage like a baby, although his regular moves do
more damage, his supers hurt less than Ryu. He can't chain three supers
together like Ryu. Anyone who can cancel fast can dial the Hulk to death.
Dan struggles to keep out of the bottom tier, and Shuma is dead middle (bad
supers).
>
>MvC: (Bleh)
>Top: Strider, Chun-Li, Red Venom, Zangief
>Up there because of team abilities: Both WMs, Gambit
>Bottom: Lilith, Jin.
>NOT bottom: Roll. Roll is not quite as bad as she's been made out to be.
>At
>the very least, I know she can beat the bottom two and in team situations,
>she
>can excel. She is very hard to hit and has access to the beat plane, the
>ultimate time killing tool.
>
>--Viscant, The Icy Rose
>"Death becomes us all."
>
>
Where's Wolverine? Gambit and WM maybe upper middle. Borderline. Jin is NOT
bottom. He beats Cap A hands down.
>
>
>
David Wright
>I'd have to put Thanos on top of this one. Nobody else can compete. Magneto
>is better than Juggy, Blackheart, the Hulk, Iron Man, and Dr. Doom. He's quite
>good in XSF. Why are people underestimating Magnus?
I would probably put thanos above the rest of my upper tier as well, except i
still woudln't put him in the anita tier because even he can't hang with anita.
Then again both are not playable in a normal arcade setting anways :)
SF2Freak
Joe Zaza
>Bottom: Hulk, Blackheart
>
>Notice something? The big guys on bottom, the small ones on top. Dang pixies, too
>much pixie dust everywhere...
>
>(Yes, I know Hulk was pretty good, but a Hulk without Super armor was a Hulk that I
>didn't like to use too much because I couldn't buffer charge moves worth diddly
>when I *did* play MSH)
Who said Blackheart was a bottom feeder? I think Blackheart can stand his ground against anything. Think about it... A good
Blackheart player will tear a whining pixie who wants to get a punch in edgewise to peices. So Wolvie and Spidey, (yes even
spidey, my all time veteran) will go waa waa waa all the way to the Hospital.
Hulk in MSH is way underestimated... He might have very little safe combos, but if you see the char block the first hit, you STOP!
=)
Ehh? Ehh?
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Hello,
Someone suggested that the FAQ for the newsgroup should contain rankings. How
about we discuss them? I dont know much, i'll try some, please add/correct:
SF2:WW
------
Top: Guile and Dhalsim
Mid: Honda, Z and Blanka
Bot: Ryu/Ken and Chun
agree here...but i dind't play this enough to actually know
CE
--
Top: Guile, Bison, Vega ?
Bot: Balrog, Chun ?
same as above...
HF
--
Top: Ryu, Sagat ?
Bot: Balrog ?
now this is where i started to really get into the game. my personal favorite
for the seires is ryu (obviously from sn) and he was supposedly 2nd to guile
according to gamepro but i din't really see any good guiles so i can't
contest...oh and dhalshim and bison were 11th and 12th respectively (out of 12)
SSF2
--
Top: Sagat ?
Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
the rankings for this one were almost the same
as hf except with bison moving up
ST
--
Top: Balrog, Vega ?
Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
number one was either dee jay or bison. i think ryu was weakened a bit by the
loss of his invincible dp, but he still posted a respectable 5th..
SFA
---
Top: Guy, Akuma, Ken ?
Bot: Sagat, Dan ?
didn't play this game much. but i do remmeber akuma being the best
SFA2
----
Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
same big 4:chun ken, rose, ryu. but there was always shin akuma and satsui no
hadou mezameta ryu (aka evil ryu)
SFA3
----
Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
you forgot the perpetual loser dan. though he's definitely fun to play with :-)
COTA
----
Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
don't remember.
XsF
---
Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
i don't think anyone could match cyclops especially with his jab optic blasts
and decent speed. but the bull dog into the m. optic blast was always fun.
DS1,2,3
-------
Dont know, heard something Bishamon being good in one of them
MSH,
top:spider man, psylocke
bot:black heart, magneto
iron mand and spidey were always pretty good/cheap in this game. but psylocke
was a babe AND was good.
MsF,
top:ryu, cyclops, wolverine (grrr...)
bot:dan (wow), blackheart
i hate wolverine and i always will. he may not be good, but he will win with
his spastic movements and by the cheezy players who play with the same jump
down mk, cancel into wild combo, c lk, c mk, c hk, fatal claw.. ryu had the
ground to air to shinkuu hadoken combos though.
MvC,
top:chunners, strider, spidey
middle: ryu (dammit)
bottom:jin, gambit
chun li had air dominance, strider had ground dominance and spidey had air
dominance and extremely hard to counter combos. chun li has the imo cheap air
demon, and strider ( my fav character in this game along with ryu) had the
ourobous-->raganarok or legion chains. gambit i think has lost any sort of
"goodness" h e ever had. the royal flush just sucks now and his kinetic cards
are way too slow. his cajun explosion is too weak.
All SFEX's
don't know as well
--
Dont know!
well thats enough of my rantings...
"You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance"
-Ryu in SF2 series
After ST-"You must defeat, aww dammit you did..."
Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
>SF2:WW
>CE
>HF
Don't know enough about these games to comment...
>SSF2
>--
>Top: Sagat ?
>Bot: Cammy, Fei Long ?
>the rankings for this one were almost the same
>as hf except with bison moving up
Sagat was the best... I think Ryu was up there somewhere too, not sure...
>ST
>--
>Top: Balrog, Vega ?
>Bot: Chun, T.Hawk ?
>number one was either dee jay or bison. i think ryu was weakened a bit by the
>loss of his invincible dp, but he still posted a respectable 5th..
#1 is Bison. (ick.) Balrog comes through pretty high, too (wow!)
>SFA
>---
>Top: Guy, Akuma, Ken ?
>Bot: Sagat, Dan ?
>didn't play this game much. but i do remmeber akuma being the best
Best, read "Cheapest".
>SFA2
>----
>Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
>Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
>same big 4:chun ken, rose, ryu. but there was always shin akuma and satsui no
>hadou mezameta ryu (aka evil ryu)
Rose was never near being the best :-(. Chun-Li all the way.
>SFA3
>----
>Top: V-Akuma, V-Ryu, Dhalsim, Rolento
>Bot: Birdie, R.Mika ?
>you forgot the perpetual loser dan. though he's definitely fun to play with :-)
I don't know about you, but where I live all the cheapos use Dhalsim and win a lot. :-(
>COTA
>----
>Top: Sentinel, Wolverine
>Bot: Silver Samurai, Cyclops ?
>don't remember.
SS was nowhere near the bottom. Worst are Cyclops and Spiral, IMHO.
>XsF
>---
>Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
>i don't think anyone could match cyclops especially with his jab optic blasts
>and decent speed. but the bull dog into the m. optic blast was always fun.
There were two cheapsters in that game, and that was Wolverine and Cyclops. Zangief, however, needs a certain amount of skill to
win consistently with. And Rogue and Ken are not the worst. The worst were Bison and Storm.
>DS1,2,3
>-------
>Dont know, heard something Bishamon being good in one of them
DS1 is probably Lord Raptor. DS2, I think might have been Donovan, but I'm not sure (am I confusing it?). I only saw DS3 once.
>MSH,
>top:spider man, psylocke
>bot:black heart, magneto
>iron mand and spidey were always pretty good/cheap in this game. but psylocke
>was a babe AND was good.
Spider-Man was definite #1 here. Bottom would probably be Blackheart, but they are all closely matched.
>MsF,
>top:ryu, cyclops, wolverine (grrr...)
>bot:dan (wow), blackheart
>i hate wolverine and i always will...
Good.
>ryu had the
>ground to air to shinkuu hadoken combos though.
You are wrong about Blackheart and Dan being the worst. The worst people in that game were Sakura and Ken.
>MvC,
>top:chunners, strider, spidey
>middle: ryu (dammit)
>bottom:jin, gambit
>chun li had air dominance, strider had ground dominance and spidey had air
>dominance and extremely hard to counter combos. chun li has the imo cheap air
>demon, and strider ( my fav character in this game along with ryu) had the
>ourobous-->raganarok or legion chains. gambit i think has lost any sort of
>"goodness" h e ever had. the royal flush just sucks now and his kinetic cards
>are way too slow. his cajun explosion is too weak.
Gambit??? Jin??? You know very little.
Gambit's Kinetic Cards are faster than they were in XvSF. Cajun Explosion is NOT weak at all. You can, in fact, combo it off of
a charging super if you are good. Jin's attacks are powerful and have incredible priority.
The three worst characters in that game are "Lilith" Morrigan, Roll and Ken-mode Ryu.
Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
> *snip*
Oh, please don't quote me on any but the Marvel games. I played the Alpha games very little, mostly watching people play and
listening to my friends talk about the game. *ick* Just my personal observations. As for SSF2 and SSF2T, well I loved those
games, but I just suck at them. Again, personal observation.
David Wright
wrote:
>>SFA2
>>----
>>Top: Chun, Ken, Ryu ?
>>Bot: Birdie, Gen, Dan ?
>>same big 4:chun ken, rose, ryu. but there was always shin akuma and satsui no
>>hadou mezameta ryu (aka evil ryu)
>
>
>Rose was never near being the best :-(. Chun-Li all the way.
Oh yes she was, top tier was definately ryu, ken, chun, and rose.
>>XsF
>>---
>>Top: Zangief, Wolverine, Cyclops ?
>>Bot: Rogue, Ken ?
>>i don't think anyone could match cyclops especially with his jab optic blasts
>>and decent speed. but the bull dog into the m. optic blast was always fun.
>
>
>There were two cheapsters in that game, and that was Wolverine and Cyclops. Zangief, however, needs a certain amount of skill to
>win consistently with. And Rogue and Ken are not the worst. The worst were Bison and Storm.
Storm wasn't bottom, because she had the runaway shit. And Magneto was worse
than Bison IMO becaues bison had the instant super which did nasty damage.
>>MSH,
>>top:spider man, psylocke
>>bot:black heart, magneto
>>iron mand and spidey were always pretty good/cheap in this game. but psylocke
>>was a babe AND was good.
>
>
>Spider-Man was definite #1 here. Bottom would probably be Blackheart, but they are all closely matched.
I personally think Wolverine is better...he's better at trying to keeping you in
block stun, and it's easier to set up his infinites.
>>MvC,
>>top:chunners, strider, spidey
>>middle: ryu (dammit)
>>bottom:jin, gambit
>>chun li had air dominance, strider had ground dominance and spidey had air
>>dominance and extremely hard to counter combos. chun li has the imo cheap air
>>demon, and strider ( my fav character in this game along with ryu) had the
>>ourobous-->raganarok or legion chains. gambit i think has lost any sort of
>>"goodness" h e ever had. the royal flush just sucks now and his kinetic cards
>>are way too slow. his cajun explosion is too weak.
>
>
>Gambit??? Jin??? You know very little.
>Gambit's Kinetic Cards are faster than they were in XvSF. Cajun Explosion is NOT weak at all. You can, in fact, combo it off of
>a charging super if you are good. Jin's attacks are powerful and have incredible priority.
>
>The three worst characters in that game are "Lilith" Morrigan, Roll and Ken-mode Ryu.
>
Ken mode Ryu isn't all THAT bad..he's defiantely better if you wanna be more
offensive with ryu, though ryu in general is sup par in the game. Top tier is
both venoms, wolverine, strider, chun. IMO there is no bottom tier...everyone
else falls into the middle tier :)
Cammy White
David Wright wrote:
> Ken mode Ryu isn't all THAT bad..he's defiantely better if you wanna be more
> offensive with ryu, though ryu in general is sup par in the game. Top tier is
> both venoms, wolverine, strider, chun. IMO there is no bottom tier...everyone
> else falls into the middle tier :)
How did I miss this?
Orange Hulk and Roll both go on bottom tier here.
--Cammy the ranking Scrub
Ricardo A Lafaurie Jr.
wrote:
>David Wright wrote:
>How did I miss this?
>Orange Hulk and Roll both go on bottom tier here.
Orange Hulk? Well definitely not top tier, but I personally round up
some mean winning streaks with Bust Hulky. The key is to learn the
Gamma Charge and use it in combos when you can.
Roll? Okay, she's bottom tier for sure. But the worst character I
have seen is Lilith Morrigan. She's worse than Roll because she can't
establish any sort of dominance. Her Vania Dash is still useful to
play offensively but she can't even combo one of her Hyper Combos
anymore, and that's just wrong. Fireball has no range. She has no
air dominance. She sucks. And I still think Ken-mode Ryu sucks worse
than Roll.