CODE VERONICA - !!CENSORED!! :-(
Mark G
Are Capcom going soft? Have they actually started to care about young kids
seeing brain matter and limbs flying all over on their TV screens...after
all this time?!!
No death sequences, no zombie head pops, no limb loss
(the only splatter of head i've seen is when you play as Steve, he gives a
most satisfying "stompy pop" when he gets his ankle knawed on !!)
When Claire gets a nibble on the ankles, she simply gives 'em a little kick,
no decapitated rolling head! WHAT!! that was the most satisfying feeling
when you're hammering away at the button, you expect a nice volley into the
back of the net! Also, when you despatch a zombie with the grenade
launcher, you hear the marvellous "melon splat" sound efftect, but no head
pops! - just fire and scorchy rags....DOH!
Don't get me wrong, the game is sheer class (like the rest of the series) -
but for goremeisters like myself, i wanna see heads rolling baby!!
Anybody else noticed anything that maybe got cut?
I wonder if the US release will have the undiluted, brain squelching stuff
in....we'll see
Keep popping !
paul tallerico
censors and such. We will have to wait for another no-name company to make a
hardcore game so it will slip through the cracks of those bastard censors! i
hope they see this message
Daniel Meléndez
> I wonder if the US release will have the undiluted, brain squelching stuff
> in....we'll see
When it comes to US? I know it´ll be MArch, but what day?
Bryan Anthony
are censoring the wrong thing, the gore factor rawks. The thing I think the
video game industry needs to stop is the whole Lara Croft thing. Every game
that seems to come out nowadays has some female character in skimpy
clothing. I waited for Resident Evil 3 to come out and I was really looking
forward to it but I didn't get it when it came out due to the fact of what
Jill was wearing. I just thought it was tasteless and kinda a shot at
women. I mean male action heros don't run around in lil outfits soo why
should the female ones wear em?. Mind you I'm not being a prude about this
I just think that the video game companies do this soo they dont have to put
as much depth into the games, instead they use smut.
This isn't really censorship issue tho, this is about how sick the video
game companies are by doing this. I mean who needs to see pixels in leather
skirts?.
Peter Butscher
Bryan Anthony <nit...@internetcds.com> wrote in message
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> I think it's about time that some of these games get censored. Thing is
they
> are censoring the wrong thing, the gore factor rawks. The thing I think
the
> video game industry needs to stop is the whole Lara Croft thing. Every
game
> that seems to come out nowadays has some female character in skimpy
> clothing. I waited for Resident Evil 3 to come out and I was really
looking
> forward to it but I didn't get it when it came out due to the fact of what
> Jill was wearing. I just thought it was tasteless and kinda a shot at
> women. I mean male action heros don't run around in lil outfits soo why
> should the female ones wear em?. Mind you I'm not being a prude about
this
> I just think that the video game companies do this soo they dont have to
put
> as much depth into the games, instead they use smut.
Sure Jill's outfit may be a little skimpy but have looked at any street
fighter type game lately compared to them Jill is ready to go to Sunday
Mass! Also I will not let what Jill is wearing stop me from buying the
game. At least they did not put Jill in high heals.
As for RE:CV Claire's outfit is pretty good. Short sleeve shirt and vest,
pants and street shoe's...sure she has the midriff thing going but besides
that I can't complain.
Peter B
P.S What is really important is not how the character looks but how they
act. Nothing pisses me off more than a movie or game portraying the female
character as a big breasted helpless moron. Thankfully Capcom has made most
of the female characters intelligent and resourceful (and kept their breast
size under control).
Starbug 1
extreme to me. Hey, I'm a woman, and I didn't take it as a shot at me at
all!
What, blood and violence is okay but not a little sexuality? Characters
like Lara and Jill may be sexed up a little but I don't think it's at all a
replacement for depth - the games are well developed and FUN. I see no harm
in making the characters a little sexy to look at, nor do I think it
objectifies women. (Well maybe a little, but c'mon, let's be honest,
ladies...we like being objectified just a little, though we don't admit it.
Sure, we cry "PIG" when men leer a little, but boy do we complain if they
don't! LOL) Anyway, both Lara and Jill are also portrayed as strong,
intelligent and resourceful, so they're certainly not just brainless
packages with boobs - heck, I love Lara's buxom, long-haired look. Apart
from that, take a look at Chris Redfield in closeup (that camera shot just
outside the "dog hall" is perfect for examining Jill and Chris). All bulked
out, tight pants - what, he's Rambo? I think it goes both ways.
If you ask me, this country goes a way overboard on its concern over sex.
It seems odd to me that I see violence everytime I switch on the television,
yet I can't breastfeed in public in this country without people getting
embarassed....
Mind you, I'm not trying to stir a hornet's nest with you, just expressing
my differing viewpoint. :-)
Starbug 1
P.S. I could say one thing about the portrayal of women in the media,
though....give them some food, for God's sake! Too skinny!! :-O
"Bryan Anthony" <nit...@internetcds.com> wrote in message
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> I think it's about time that some of these games get censored. Thing is
they
> are censoring the wrong thing, the gore factor rawks. The thing I think
the
> video game industry needs to stop is the whole Lara Croft thing. Every
game
> that seems to come out nowadays has some female character in skimpy
> clothing. I waited for Resident Evil 3 to come out and I was really
looking
> forward to it but I didn't get it when it came out due to the fact of what
> Jill was wearing. I just thought it was tasteless and kinda a shot at
> women. I mean male action heros don't run around in lil outfits soo why
> should the female ones wear em?. Mind you I'm not being a prude about
this
> I just think that the video game companies do this soo they dont have to
put
> as much depth into the games, instead they use smut.
>
Deviancy
3 sucks, how can I, I have never played it. But I just think the game community has grown a lil perverse. Alright to be honest
they have grown more then a little. I mean I drove down the 10 freeway and I saw a huge freeway banner advertising Lara Croft
selling something and I don't even think it was the game that characters in. I just dont see how some could find pixels sexy and I
dont see why theres the need to try to make em look sexy. It's a game, we play it we have fun beating it, it's just pointless to
put that other stuff in the game. The game company has really come a long way, we've gone from saving the girls in the game to
watching them run around in skirts with guns. For those who like that stuff and dont mind it the game companies could throw these
games out aimed entirely and 17 and up. But they don't they throw them out with "You should be but if you're not eh". I just don't
think places like Toys R Us should even bother carrying games like that, a ten year old kid shouldn't even see this game. It's just
as bad as raising lil girls on Barbies, some of them will get the wrong impression.
As for the country caring more about sex then gore in the media you're right they both should be handled evenly. Both subject
matters shouldn't be something a small child can access on tv, games, or comics. Resident Evil games do have the M rating and I give
them credit for that but I have never seen a store ID a kid for buying a game. As for women liking to be objectified a little
thats a little odd. Women could never look like the characters in these games, they are made like Barbies and thats the impossible
figure. Soo basically the guys who drool over these characters are drooling over something thats never possible.
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Starbug 1
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>I dont see why theres the need to try to make em look sexy. It's a game,
we play it we have fun beating it, it's just pointless to
> put that other stuff in the game. The game company has really come a long
way, we've gone from saving the girls in the game to
> watching them run around in skirts with guns.
Sounds like you're saying it's pointless to "make pixels sexy" because we're
only playing for the fun and not looking at the graphics. Why then does the
industry continue to improve graphics and realism at all? In the days of
Pac-Man, maybe we did. In these days of bigger and better consoles with
bigger and better games competing with each other, visual appeal is a big
part of the sell. The backgrounds gotta look good, the monsters gotta look
good, the blood and gore's gotta look good, so yeah, they want their
characters to look good too. A man may enjoy seeing a sexy main character
in a video game but that doesn't mean he fails in anyway to distinguish
make-believe from reality, no more than he would think anime is real (and
whoo boy, you wanna talk about animated characters being sexed up....) It's
just part of the visual package.
> For those who like that stuff and dont mind it the game companies could
throw these
> games out aimed entirely and 17 and up. But they don't they throw them
out with "You should be but if you're not eh". I just don't
> think places like Toys R Us should even bother carrying games like that, a
ten year old kid shouldn't even see this game. It's just
> as bad as raising lil girls on Barbies, some of them will get the wrong
impression.
> As for the country caring more about sex then gore in the media you're
right they both should be handled evenly. Both subject
> matters shouldn't be something a small child can access on tv, games, or
comics. Resident Evil games do have the M rating and I give
> them credit for that but I have never seen a store ID a kid for buying a
game.
Of course you're right, but that's a separate issue from whether these
graphics should be in the game at all. Certainly I think these games filled
with violence and sexuality should be labeled as such, and the stores
shouldn't be renting them to ten-year-olds.
> As for women liking to be objectified a little
> thats a little odd.
I don't think it's odd at all - if you do then I think I didn't make my
point correctly. I'm not saying women are thinking, "oh yeah baby, treat me
like a piece of meat." I'm just saying that a woman who says she wants to
be loved and admired for her mind alone is not being honest (probably - I
don't know ALL women). We also want to be considered beautiful. We want to
be looked at, dammit. :-) We roll our eyes when we get a whistle on the
street but secretly we're a bit pleased. Especially us married moms with
baby hips - it's nice to get a little confirmation from time to time that
we're still sexy. LOL.
> Women could never look like the characters in these games, they are made
like Barbies
> and thats the impossible
> figure. Soo basically the guys who drool over these characters are
drooling over something thats
> never possible.
Yeah, you're right on that one too. But so what? The danger lies in the
real-life women we're seeing in the magazines and on
television....supermodels, Calista Flockhart (something's SERIOUSLY wrong
with that woman), Monica and Rachel on "Friends" getting thinner every
season....and they wonder why we've got six-year-olds with weight anxiety.
But Barbie and her good friend Lara are unrealistically proportioned, so how
could they make me feel inadequate? I know darn well that they couldn't
have so little body fat and still have big boobs, and I also know they
couldn't have such tiny waistlines without spending their lives in corsets,
crushing their little plastic (or electronic) internal organs to mush. I
might just as well let Bugs Bunny make me feel inadequate for being able to
paint a tunnel into a rock wall. I haven't the slightest inclination to
become an exaggerated caricature of the female figure.
I don't actually care too much whether the main characters wear tank tops or
turtlenecks, it's doesn't do anything for me (well okay, I hated Claire's
pink Daisy Dukes, but that was a crime of fashion, not exposure). I just
think it's harmless and see no reason to censor it. Considering the rating
these games should already have for the violence, if young children are
being influenced by them it is a problem of the stores and of the parents.
Deviancy
I recently finished playing Legacy of Kain The Soul Reaver and I was left with a great feeling. THe game dint rely on anything sexual and it was a great game, the graphics were nice the gameplay was addicting and hell it even had good music. It did have lil damsels in distress running around but they were in full gowns. Plus there were like in the game for like 2 minutes.
My point is this, if they took Kain and made the lead character a girl in a tight skirt it wouldn't have the same appeal. I like characters to be less realistic and more make believe. I mean the character in Kain is this guy who got all of his flesh burned off, he has bat wings and big ol claws.
You brought up some good things tho and at least I got a womans viewpoint on all of this. If a guy would have said that I would have just labeled him a pervert who needs that kind of gratification. But I'm just trying to avoid the stuff personally, I mean I love music but there are some bands i've adored for awhile who've stooped low by using sex of some sort on the cover to sell (Type O Negative). I just feel like I don't have a choice without suffering, I cant play a game because the game industry goes there, I cant listen to a band I like because they go there and I can't read a good comic because there in the mud with the others. I'm not religious, I'm not even a prude I just feel theres a time and place for everything and music and games isnt the place.
Starbug 1
>Graphics and detail are nice but I still think the gaming industry is being
one sided. I don't see the male >characters having the outfits like the girl
ones. The guys don't run around in fishnet and pvc pants.
No, but the Rambo thing is enough. I think the male equivalents of the
buxom female video game character ARE all those male characters with their
tiny butts and waists and unrealistically massive torsos rippling under
tight shirts. And the male "body ideal" has its anxiety equivalent too,
didja read that awful article in Maxim a while back about the guy who nearly
killed himself with bodybuilding and steroids? The issues are there for
both genders, I think.
Anyhoo I think we agree to disagree on this issue, but thanks for bringing
up some interesting points. I love a good-natured debate. :-)
Starbug 1
"Hey uh, this 'Internet' of yours...
How many things are listed on it?" --my grandfather
Deviancy
"Starbug 1" <elli...@hatesspamyahoo.com> wrote in > Anyhoo I think we agree to disagree on this issue, but thanks for bringing
> up some interesting points. I love a good-natured debate. :-)
>
MvdB
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> Well, it's happened again (as with Bio2 and Bio Nemesis)
>
> Are Capcom going soft? Have they actually started to care about young kids
> seeing brain matter and limbs flying all over on their TV screens...after
> all this time?!!
>
> No death sequences, no zombie head pops, no limb loss
> (the only splatter of head i've seen is when you play as Steve, he gives a
> most satisfying "stompy pop" when he gets his ankle knawed on !!)
>
> When Claire gets a nibble on the ankles, she simply gives 'em a little
kick,
> no decapitated rolling head! WHAT!! that was the most satisfying feeling
> when you're hammering away at the button, you expect a nice volley into
the
> back of the net! Also, when you despatch a zombie with the grenade
> launcher, you hear the marvellous "melon splat" sound efftect, but no head
> pops! - just fire and scorchy rags....DOH!
>
> Don't get me wrong, the game is sheer class (like the rest of the
series) -
> but for goremeisters like myself, i wanna see heads rolling baby!!
Thing is, Capcom has got a rating to take into account. Code: Veronica
already has got a mature rating, with even more gore it might be possible
that it would be even banned. Plus that extremely violent games cause quite
a stir in the media most of the time (like the hype when Carmageddon 2 was
released). And that's probably the last thing Capcom will want.
>
> Anybody else noticed anything that maybe got cut?
>
> I wonder if the US release will have the undiluted, brain squelching stuff
> in....we'll see
If the Japanese version doesn't have that, I don't think will have it, most
violent Japanese games are even censored when converted to US NTSC or PAL.
--
MvdB
Webmaster of Totally Resident Evil - http://beam.to/tre
Coming soon: Resident Evil: Untold Mysteries - http://go.to/untold
Mark G
version as the JAP)
Do you recall in RE2 when the JAP version was pulled and the US version was
released BEFORE the JAP version.....BAM! censorship (no death sequences)
It's total bollocks, I mean, take films these days - disgusting! (Blade,
Sleepy Hollow, etc, etc) there are some abolsolutely gore-laden titles
floating about...
Hey ho...another day, another debate
We'll see upon the US/PAL releases....
Post your thoughts.....................
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>Graphics and detail are nice but I still think the gaming industry is being
one sided. I don't see the male characters having the >outfits like the girl
ones. The guys don't run around in fishnet and pvc pants. Altho a game
with more of a 'goth' thing would be >nice since I'm also sick of Rambo like
characters but thats another story.
I'm sorry to interrupt the "girls talk" here, but IMO the main reason why
male characters are not "running around in fishnet and pvc pants" is that
the biggest part of the gamers is male (ofcourse, there are enough women
gamers but, apparently, not enough). And believe me, most men don't like to
see half-naked guys running around blasting zombies.
I agree with you on the Rambo characters - my best guess is that it's just
another thing left of the old "tough men, fragile women"-idea.
Deviancy
"MvdB" <vd-...@planet.nl> wrote in message news:87v4l0$3n32e$2...@reader2.wxs.nl...
> > I'm sorry to interrupt the "girls talk" here, but IMO the main reason why
> male characters are not "running around in fishnet and pvc pants" is that
> the biggest part of the gamers is male (ofcourse, there are enough women
> gamers but, apparently, not enough). And believe me, most men don't like to
> see half-naked guys running around blasting zombies.
I wasn't asking for half naked guys, that would be icky.
Games should be just unisex I guess
But I would like to see male characters that were more cool lookin. If anyones played Legacy of Kain it's the perfect example. Theres these movie plots prior to the start of the game when Raziel is all fucking cool looking and it would rawk if they made more characters like that. Chris, Leon etc are just too 80's