To All Who Think Ping Doesn't Matter
Daniel
also there is little defference between 0 and 150 ping exept in high levels
of play.
"^Vigil^" <@.> wrote in message news:382f2707...@news.f9.net.uk...
> A friend and I always have around the same ping on the servers we go to,
and we
> are around the same skill level with the rail gun.
>
> Last time, I ran my server and he connected to it. His ping was as it
usually is
> - 100-200; mine was somewhere around zero.
>
> I railed his arse good and proper.
>
> Conclusion: being a LPB DOES help!
Figment
and inconsistent ping.
Daniel <dan...@rockdalenet.com> wrote in message
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Daniel
exactly the same results unless you are at a high level of play.
"^Vigil^" <@.> wrote in message news:382f3f6e...@news.f9.net.uk...
> Maybe it's me but aren't you (Daniel) forgetting that if you have a high
ping
> you have to aim further ahead of the enemy and fire to hit him. This gives
him
> that distance of time to change direction and you'll miss. With a low ping
you
> can merely keep the crosshair on him and fire.
>
> On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:00:07 -0600, "Figment" <grap...@zdnetmail.com>
wrote:
Astro
with an inconsistant ping. There is no such thing as long
distance aming, you have to get so close to the bastard
that you catch the spray from him wetting his pants and
then frag 'em.
smasher
> if you have a high ping
>you have to aim further ahead of the enemy and fire to hit him.
yes, but the more u commit to aiming in front of him, the easier it is for him
to turn the other way, and be a screen-inch away from your crosshair in 1/2 a
sec.
ping matters!
Steve Humiston
of November, eight days ahead of everyone else. That means you have a ping
of negative 691,200,000 give or take a couple of million. ;-)
Seriously, though, while ping matters, it seems some people like to label
and judge others based on only one of several factors. Some guys with pings
of 275 rag on the ones with pings of 80, calling attention to their LPB
status. What about when that 275 goes up against someone with a 450 ping?
To the guy with a 450 ping, 275 is low but they are both classified as HPBs.
I almost never see the 450+ pingers complaining about the 275 ping guys.
Why is that? There's a big difference between 275 and 450.
It seems there is a cutoff point in many player's minds. If your ping falls
above the cutoff point you belong to some sort of HPB brotherhood. It
doesn't matter if your ping is 200 or 800; you belong to the club. If your
ping falls below the cutoff point then you are a hated LPB, worthy only of
scorn.
There are other factors in winning and losing. There's packet loss,
computer speed, sound system quality (if I locate you by your sounds I can
kill you without seeing you), your frame of mind (we all have bad days),
overall skill, and experience.
I've noticed many players place the highest value on whatever factor they
lack. To the guy with 56K dialup, ping is most important. To the guy on a
P166, frame rate is most important, etc. It's easier for some high pingers
to blame ping than to compliment the other guy's skills or chalk up a loss
to a bad day. For the low pinger it's annoying to make good shots and really
be in the zone, so to speak, then have some whiner say you're all ping.
You, ^Vigil^, probably catch some flak occasionally when your ping is in the
low 100s.
To the high pingers I say, most of you are cool. You take your lumps
graciously and many of you are awesome players and you give more lumps than
you receive. To the HPBs with attitudes I say, most of us LPBs don't abuse
our advantage. We avoid servers populated only with HPBs regardless of your
perception of us. To the LPBs who seek out HPBs for easy kills I say, you
give the rest of us a bad name. Cut it out! You are not being paid money
for your frags so don't sweat it if you get beaten by better players.
--
I have often repented speaking, but never of holding my tongue.
Xenocrates, Greek philosopher.
^Vigil^ <@.> wrote in message news:382f2707...@news.f9.net.uk...
Kip C. Anderson
Steve Humiston <sigu...@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote in message
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> To the high pingers I say, most of you are cool. You take your lumps
> graciously and many of you are awesome players and you give more lumps
than
> you receive. To the HPBs with attitudes I say, most of us LPBs don't
abuse
> our advantage. We avoid servers populated only with HPBs regardless of
your
> perception of us.
That's one of the most frustrating parts of being saddled with a high ping,
finding a server that's not overrun with low pingers. There's no way to
check before joining the battle - at which point I've already wasted 30-60
seconds finding the server and waiting for my system to hook up. And even
when I can find a high ping game, it usually doesn't take long for an LPB to
come along and ruin the fun/enhance the challenge.
The lowest ping will always have an advantage assuming reasonable FPS etc.
A skilled high ping player can compensate for this difference somewhat, but
when it comes down to one player not having to lead his target vs. the other
having to guess 1/4 second or more ahead where his target may (or may never)
be, the high pinger has to be an expert merely to compete against an LPB
that is not as good.
That said, I can still tell when I am up against a truly expert low pinger.
I had such misfortune just yesterday on the Test2 map in a 1 on 1 bout.
That bastard hit me with the rail 8 times out of 10 no matter what I did. I
lost miserably but gave credit where it was due.
sjoerd ophof
favorites list, which says (NO LPB'S) and it seems to attract them like flies.
and if you ask them to leave they start to curse at ya, i mean......
-redrum
Astro
it is as simple as leading your victims with the crosshair,
sorry.
^Vigil^ wrote:
> You've inadvertently backed up my whole point. Thanks.
MechCow
> and judge others based on only one of several factors. Some guys with
pings
> of 275 rag on the ones with pings of 80, calling attention to their LPB
> status. What about when that 275 goes up against someone with a 450 ping?
> To the guy with a 450 ping, 275 is low but they are both classified as
HPBs.
> I almost never see the 450+ pingers complaining about the 275 ping guys.
> Why is that? There's a big difference between 275 and 450.
I have a 450 ping (getting cable soon... sweeet)... and the difference is
this. Below 100 it is rare for you to notice lag... it is rare for you to be
able to hit the button and see a noticeable difference with when the rocket
appears. This means you can time your shots basically, just based on the
weapon (as you should be able to). Anything above this, and the way I play
and I imagine most others play is different, you don't time that perfect
shot you more or less spray the area. Sure you keep your mouse ahead of them
alittle but it can be extremely hard to judge, most of the time you just try
and fire to either side of them, if they are moving.
> To the high pingers I say, most of you are cool. You take your lumps
> graciously and many of you are awesome players and you give more lumps
than
> you receive. To the HPBs with attitudes I say, most of us LPBs don't
abuse
> our advantage. We avoid servers populated only with HPBs regardless of
your
> perception of us. To the LPBs who seek out HPBs for easy kills I say, you
> give the rest of us a bad name. Cut it out! You are not being paid money
> for your frags so don't sweat it if you get beaten by better players.
I'm glad someone has finally said this. I h8 nothing more than LPBs who join
the server with no other LPB's just so they can kick arse... goddamnit!
>
> --
> I have often repented speaking, but never of holding my tongue.
> Xenocrates, Greek philosopher.
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MechCow
Paul S.
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>
> That's one of the most frustrating parts of being saddled with a high
ping,
> finding a server that's not overrun with low pingers. There's no way to
> check before joining the battle
What are you talking about? Get Gamespy. It tells you the pings of players
on servers before you enter the server, along with dozens of other features
that the ingame browser doesn't have.
Paul
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Chris Shewel
the actual game state exist in relation to what I see on the screen? Like,
I shoot the shotgun, and a full second later I see the bullets hit the wall.
Do the shots actually fire after I press the button, exactly when I press it
or somewhere inbetween where I press and see the effect? Why do I see a
rocket going one direction, and when I dodge it, it seems to hit me
anyways?!
I know that high ping really fucks up my game. I've just tried playing at
home for the first time (56K), and shit, I am one useless bastard with any
weapon. When I play on LAN, I can rail players who are jumping for quad as
I am falling into the void. I hate the thought of aiming ahead... Maybe
it's just time to bite the bullet and get a cable modem...
Chris
MechCow <mec...@killspam.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Kip C. Anderson
Chris Shewel <chris_...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Im trying to understand myself just how ping affects play. I mean how
does
> the actual game state exist in relation to what I see on the screen?
Like,
> I shoot the shotgun, and a full second later I see the bullets hit the
wall.
> Do the shots actually fire after I press the button, exactly when I press
it
> or somewhere inbetween where I press and see the effect? Why do I see a
> rocket going one direction, and when I dodge it, it seems to hit me
> anyways?!
The shots do fire when you press the button, but if your average ping is 250
ms, you are seeing what has already happened 1/4 second after the server has
registered it happening. The greater that interval, the more you have to
guess where people are going next and the longer it takes for your computer
to figure out what really happened while you were waiting for packets.
I especially love it when I've grabbed the rocket launcher, picked up the
quad, and fragged the nearest player only to have the server nix the whole
deal for me with an empty click, 'Quad Denied', and P.S., 'You're dead!'
That simply doesn't happen on a LAN or other reliable low ping setup.
It has made me a better player to have to think about where people are most
likely to go in trying to impose some splash damage from a rocket, but I
miss far more often than I hit because I'm usually firing where I think the
other players are zigging when in fact they have already zagged. Using the
rail is practically a hopeless endeavor with any ping over 200 or so against
most skilled players that know how to dodge around a bit.
Kip C. Anderson
Paul S. <p...@killspam.grove.ufl.edu> wrote in message
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> Kip C. Anderson <ki...@clipper.removethis.net> wrote in message
> news:bKjV3.3569$7m.1...@newshog.newsread.com...
> >
> > That's one of the most frustrating parts of being saddled with a high
> ping,
> > finding a server that's not overrun with low pingers. There's no way to
> > check before joining the battle
>
> What are you talking about? Get Gamespy. It tells you the pings of
players
> on servers before you enter the server, along with dozens of other
features
> that the ingame browser doesn't have.
>
>
> Paul
Thanks for the heads-up. I've been using Ping Tool which does not have this
feature and did not realize that GameSpy does.
Steve Humiston
non-issue. Believe it or not I have to lead my opponents when making long
distance rail shots even when I'm pinging at 50. Not nearly as much as you
have to lead but lag is still there.
--
I have often repented speaking, but never of holding my tongue.
Xenocrates, Greek philosopher.
MechCow <mec...@killspam.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> I have a 450 ping (getting cable soon... sweeet)... and the difference is
numbe...@nospam.net
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Try Pingtool 2.5a View >> Player window (current
server). In player window, right click upon 'name' and
choose 'select player fields'.
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numbe...@heat.net
Daniel Jackson
group are hostile to people to set their clock ahead to put their message at
the top of the list.
LoTekGuru
I run over a weapon, I hear the "cha-chink" like I picked it up, only to
find out when I try to switch to that weapon that it's not in my inventory
(regardless of what happened on MY screen!), and the guy next to me grabbed
it, and has killed me with it, while I'm in a frenzy trying to change my
plan of attack on the fly. I get soooo frustrated sometimes
James : LoTekGuru : SDS-Spank
www.quakeclan.net/sds
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of course.....
and does Q3 have grenades? I loved those things....
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^Vigil^ <@.> wrote in message <382f2707...@news.f9.net.uk>...
call*911*
some bubble gum that Duke Nukem didn't get, then when the sap bends
down to pick it up... *KAZAP* ...nails his sorry ass butt good with a
100 gm slug of U232 ...kinda lights up his life too
On Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:45:16 GMT, "Daniel Jackson"
<dani...@flash.net> wrote:
:You are right, but, please set your clock correctly. Some posters in this
:group are hostile to people to set their clock ahead to put their message at
:the top of the list.
:
:^Vigil^ <@.> wrote in message news:382f2707...@news.f9.net.uk...
:> A friend and I always have around the same ping on the servers we go to,
:
Joel Malone
to be splattered a second or two later and appear back on the bad side of
the corner.
Michael French
the quad and you get it , then 1 sec later you havent got it at all the
other guy with a ping 200 faster has and so on but thats life i guess .
Wouldent it be good if you could set up a sever so that everyone has roughly
the same ping for eg : you could set the lowest ping to 350 or 400 and that
way everyone has a chance .
<]RECOIL[>
Joel Malone <eljo...@wantree.com.au> wrote in message
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ZnU
<fre...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> I totaly agree with you , its like when your in a race to get the armer or
> the quad and you get it , then 1 sec later you havent got it at all the
> other guy with a ping 200 faster has and so on but thats life i guess .
> Wouldent it be good if you could set up a sever so that everyone has roughly
> the same ping for eg : you could set the lowest ping to 350 or 400 and that
> way everyone has a chance .
I've played network games (the old Mac game Avara comes to mind) where the
game brings everyone down to the speed of the slowest player to make
things fair. Trust me, you do NOT want this. It just results in players
with slow connections getting kicked all the time.
--
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parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do
not use a hammer.
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Michael French
lowest players ping as the norm but i see what your saying .
<]RECOIL[>
ZnU <z...@znu.dhs.org> wrote in message
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EvilBill[AGQ2]
>
> Seriously, though, while ping matters, it seems some people like to label
> and judge others based on only one of several factors. Some guys with
pings
> of 275 rag on the ones with pings of 80, calling attention to their LPB
> status. What about when that 275 goes up against someone with a 450 ping?
> To the guy with a 450 ping, 275 is low but they are both classified as
HPBs.
> I almost never see the 450+ pingers complaining about the 275 ping guys.
> Why is that? There's a big difference between 275 and 450.
>
falls
> above the cutoff point you belong to some sort of HPB brotherhood. It
> doesn't matter if your ping is 200 or 800; you belong to the club. If
your
> ping falls below the cutoff point then you are a hated LPB, worthy only of
> scorn.
>
Heh, my cutoff point is 400... anyone below that is an LPB and is evil and
the spawn of Stan and must be mercilessly flamed! <g>
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Steve Humiston
;-)
Saint EB protect us from the evils of the dark LPBs that plunder our game
and steal our fun. Wait a minute! I'm an evil LPB. Hmmmmm.
If only we could all chip in and get you a good internet connection to go
with that new computer we evil LPBs could convert you to our wicked plan of
world domination. Muahahahaha!
BTW, who is this Stan fellow we are all spawned from? ;-)
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Xenocrates, Greek philosopher.
EvilBill[AGQ2] <evil...@DIE-SPAM-DIE.nutter.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in
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> Steve Humiston <sigu...@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote in message...
EvilBill[AGQ2]
> ;-)
> Saint EB protect us from the evils of the dark LPBs that plunder our game
> and steal our fun. Wait a minute! I'm an evil LPB. Hmmmmm.
> If only we could all chip in and get you a good internet connection to go
> with that new computer we evil LPBs could convert you to our wicked plan
of
> world domination. Muahahahaha!
> BTW, who is this Stan fellow we are all spawned from? ;-)
>
Aaargh! My keyboard is still giving me crap. I meant Satan, hehe. Should've
said Bill Gates <g>
And unfortunately high-speed connections over here cost £150 a month, which
is way more than I rack upon the connection charges now! LOL!
^Vigil^
have went to the top of the list.
^Vigil^
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:16:53 GMT, call*911* <nobo...@home.com>
wrote:
>I don't hafta lead my shots. I stick a $1000 bill to the floor with
>some bubble gum that Duke Nukem didn't get, then when the sap bends
>down to pick it up... *KAZAP* ...nails his sorry ass butt good with a
>100 gm slug of U232 ...kinda lights up his life too
>
>:
>