Neon250 Poll
Ragh Beempalasi
IF the Neon250 is delayed and won't come out at the proposed date of
June, who will be foolish enough to wait more time???
This is not meant as a troll.
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Andrew R. Gillett
> I just want to know:
>
> IF the Neon250 is delayed and won't come out at the proposed date of
> June, who will be foolish enough to wait more time???
Depends how soon afterwards Series 3 will arrive (judging by NEC/VL's
previous record, it'll be out in 2001). I'll probably get the Neon250 no
matter when it is released.
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Ragh Beempalasi <moi...@globalserve.net> wrote in message
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> I just want to know:
>
> IF the Neon250 is delayed and won't come out at the proposed date of
> June, who will be foolish enough to wait more time???
>
Alan Shepherd
it'll be fast enough to easilly beat the TNT, DVD & TV Out, the Neon is
facing VERY tough competition, and although VideoLogic have an Ok
reputation, so do nVidia, Diamond, Ati.
Matrox may have a good card in the G400, but how many people are going to
play the waiting game with that card for Certified drivers. I'm sure as hell
not going to get a card from them without a full certified OpenGL driver,
probably never, like their promise of DVD decoding on card........
Dog Bait
on a 3d card. Obviously there are quite a few. Many of us here own the 3dx
card (sorry guys, if you own an m3d), but the 3dx is supposed to have some
kind of rebate when the Neon comes out. Whether VDO honours that commitment
or not, is debatable, but it has held the faith of many PowerVR owners for
the time being.
Besides some of us are keen to 'see' what the new PVR brings, and how it
handles itself on the market before buying it. I myself am one of these
people. I'm looking forward to seeing it come out in June (fingers crossed).
And if it does, then I think nVidia and 3dfx would also be quite interested
too, if not concerned about the threat to their markets.
Whatever happens, as long as the PVR comes out, there is going to be one
very interesting match between graphics card companies/OEMs,
Leon.
stephen troup
the market place, no point in buying something if it isn't going to be
supported, or costs more then the opposition, or has a lower performance than
the others.
Steve
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its cheap enough I will buy it regardless. But at either $200 or
$130 it does not compare. BTW if there was Linux support for both
2d and 3d I *would* buy it in a heartbeat, which leads me to another
topic which I feel applies.
Its funny how people swear by or slave to a particular hardware brand.
IMHO I have found that the best method of buying hardware is to determine
which software you are going to be using. For example I play ID based engine
games, Unreal (lots!), Starcraft, and Descent Freespace. The new games I am
looking at buying are possbile Everquest, new version of TeamFortress, Diablo
II, Unreal Tournament, Q3 arena, and hopefully Blizzard will come out with a
similar new version of StarCraft that will look like Diablo II.
Now what system do most of these natively support? Glide and d3d. Sure
most of them support d3d, but I have seen side by side demos of Glide vs.
d3d (TNT) playing Everquest and there was a very noticable difference.
I had an m3d and was eternally messing with drivers, patches, lockups,
freezes, and searching around for the aforementioned software. Seriously
I would say that comparing the time I spent playing to the time I spent
getting my system to run games with the m3d was perhaps 1 hour tweaking for
every 5 playing. With the 3dfx I can say it was far, far less. Now if I
wanted to play Unreal online I would have to get the newest patch which
does not support SGL.
Being more than familiar with computer software, when recommending hardware
to people who are not so but wish participate in 3d gaming, what do you
think I am going to recommend? What is the easiest to use, install, and
play games with? What has the most support? How do these factors compare
with the cost?
With the amount that folks complain about drivers, openGl, support for this
and that, one would think that the manufacturers would have figured out that
it is the support and software/drivers , not the hardware or specs, that most
people are concerned about. What the heck good is a feature of the chipset
if it is not enabled through the drivers, might as well not have it at all.
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<snip>
> BTW if there was Linux support for both
>2d and 3d I *would* buy it in a heartbeat, which leads me to another
>topic which I feel applies.
FWIW, after Matrox released register-level specs for the G200,
an open-source project was started by an SGI employee (independently
of both MGA and SGI tho) to produce a GLX module for it. Its based on an
older, software-glx module. The X-display-server has been available
thru XF86 for a while.
Bearing this in mind, and the amount of feedback (ie-none) that I got
from VDO/NEC on it, I gave up on the otherwise wonderful sounding
Neon-250 and got a G200 last week. Sure, so it probably isn't that fast
or that pretty, but it's my 1st 3D card (never had pcx2, only read this NG
for the series 2) and it looks GREAT to me.
Unfortunately, I haven't tried out the Linux drivers as I've spent the
week playing Shogo and looking to patch Unreal to use D3D on windoze :P
But from what I can tell, the driver is pretty good considering the
project's
only been going about 2 or 3 months, and they haven't got access to
DMA transfers or the WARP engine microcode yet. John Carmack
has been making occasional hints and pointers on the mailing list
and recently said he'd got himself a Linux box with a G200 to test with.
Apparently people have got the Linux Q3A test to work with it OK...
So now I've crossed over to the other side, if VDO suddenly
produce a Linux driver like nVidia are doing, or give out specs like
MGA did, then it'll be too late for me, and I won't be able to use the
very fast very pretty card, 'cos I'm not buying ANOTHER card.
Otherwise, the G200 will work out way faster on Linux than the
Neon, because it won't be software only, so I'm happy.
<snip>
>With the amount that folks complain about drivers, openGl, support for this
>and that, one would think that the manufacturers would have figured out
that
>it is the support and software/drivers , not the hardware or specs, that
most
>people are concerned about. What the heck good is a feature of the
>chipset if it is not enabled through the drivers,
>might as well not have it at all.
Exactly.
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Todd McCormick
everyone's butts, then I'll be interested. As for waiting...
While I've "waited" I have purchased a TNT and a voodoo1 and
a voodoo2 card, waiting for the "next" generation. If NEC/VL
had been coming out with hot cards during this extended period
some of my purchases would have likely been VR cards.
I'm not going to stand still and hold my breath waiting for
some better card on the horizon, there are ALWAYS better cards
on the horizon. When what I own doesnt run the software I want
to run, or doesnt run it very well, then I upgrade. Some of
the difficulties running software on my m3D was the reason
I got my first voodoo card. So quite frankly it wont be a
matter of how long it takes for the card to come out, but
rather it will be a matter of IF there is a compelling reason
to purchase the vr250 when it arrives, which will govern whether
I buy it. nec/vl has kept the public in anticipation as long as
it reasonably can, this is turning into the proverbial case of
the "boy who cried wolf". (its coming out SOON!, it will be the
BEST! really, just wait, oops delayed again, well just wait...)
If come June/July/August....Feb/march.. it is just another
also-ran card, then I dont think loyalty will be a compelling
enough reason for people to buy it.
Todd McCormick
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