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Joe Klemm

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Sep 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/15/00
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Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon

Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly becoming
an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at the lastest
one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope Cardcaptors gets
renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show, despite the
butchering.

Now for the new Pokemon episode.

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon", since the
basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the 1950's movie
The Defiant Ones.

Loved the bit where Pikachu and Ash run backwards as if they were being
"rewound".

Riff Alert 1: When TR says "Up, up and away", who else had the urge to say "In
our beautiful balloon"?

Animation Goof: Pikachu's brace disappears when he and Meowth crash into the
ground, with Pikachu landing on Meowth.

Speaking of Pikachu and Meowth. I definitely enjoyed the concept of the two
being bound together for two good reasons.

1. It serves as a good comical device for the episode.

2. It helps with an idea that first appeared in Island of the Giant Pokemon:
That it's the human, not the Pokemon, that makes Pokemon evil. This is pointed
out when Meowth questions whether he and Pikachu would have gotten along better
if it weren't for the bad first meeting (Viridian City Pokemon Center).

Who else thinks that Pikachu's attacking Rhydon through the mouth kind of
reminds you of Dr. No?

Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had the urge to
say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With Gene Rayburn,
with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I love game
shows.)

Togepi used the Metronome attack again today as it stops TR from blasting the
heroes.

All in all, an enjoyable episode.

Joe Klemm

syke108

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Sep 15, 2000, 9:47:28 PM9/15/00
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In article <20000915165018...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,

tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:
> Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
>
> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly
becoming
> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at the
lastest
> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
Cardcaptors gets
> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
despite the
> butchering.

Damn, i missed that commercial, sounds pretty funny.

> Now for the new Pokemon episode.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon",
since the
> basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the
1950's movie
> The Defiant Ones.

Eh, it doesnt have the same ring to it, besides, it's too obscure a
reference for most of the viewers. (Myself included)

> Loved the bit where Pikachu and Ash run backwards as if they were
being
> "rewound".
>
> Riff Alert 1: When TR says "Up, up and away", who else had the urge
to say "In
> our beautiful balloon"?

Actually, I had the urge to watch a Superman cartoon.

> Animation Goof: Pikachu's brace disappears when he and Meowth crash
into the
> ground, with Pikachu landing on Meowth.

First time I saw that ep i didn't catch it, but now I did. Ah,
animation goofs. Give bored viewers something to look for.

> Speaking of Pikachu and Meowth. I definitely enjoyed the concept of
the two
> being bound together for two good reasons.
>
> 1. It serves as a good comical device for the episode.

You got that right.

> 2. It helps with an idea that first appeared in Island of the Giant
Pokemon:
> That it's the human, not the Pokemon, that makes Pokemon evil. This
is pointed
> out when Meowth questions whether he and Pikachu would have gotten
along better
> if it weren't for the bad first meeting (Viridian City Pokemon
Center).

Alas, fate had it in for poor Meowth. I felt sorry for Meowth after
seeing this side of him in the ep.

> Who else thinks that Pikachu's attacking Rhydon through the mouth
kind of
> reminds you of Dr. No?

Nope. probably because I havn't seen an episode.

> Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had
the urge to
> say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With Gene
Rayburn,
> with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I
love game
> shows.)

I was more apt to think of it as the name of a singer than an actor.

> Togepi used the Metronome attack again today as it stops TR from
blasting the
> heroes.

Toge toge priiii! (Boom!) We gotta see that more often. Electrode can
eat its heart out.

> All in all, an enjoyable episode.

Two thumbs up! (I always wanted to say that.)

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A battle with Jigglypuff on the mike!

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A battle with Eevee, I'm a fan!
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Leaping Larry Jojo

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Sep 15, 2000, 10:04:26 PM9/15/00
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In article <20000915165018...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:
> Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
>
> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly
becoming
> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads.

Meilin! Meilin! Meilin!

Looks like she's becoming the Lucy Liu of Saturday mornings. Too bad
she leaves in 10 episodes (from where we are now). I guess they're
milking her while she's still around.

Just look at the lastest
> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
Cardcaptors gets
> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
despite the
> butchering.
>

Agreed. It's still a lot more sedated than other kid's shows. Less
screaming and meaningless histrionics, more subtlety. KWB's scheduling
doesn't help matters. Both Pokemon and CC are aired out of order (and
in some cases, skipping blocks of eps). Although the next few weeks
seem more hopeful, as KTLA's site lists episodes in an order resembling
the originals'.

> Now for the new Pokemon episode.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon",
since the
> basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the
1950's movie
> The Defiant Ones.
>

I give you a cookie for citing that film.

>
> All in all, an enjoyable episode.
>

I'm holding out for when Brock comes back later this Fall/Winter. He
added a lot more to the show than I thought.

Jojo

Joe Klemm

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Sep 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/16/00
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>wrote:
>> Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
>>
>> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly
>becoming
>> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at the
>lastest
>> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
>Cardcaptors gets
>> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
>despite the
>> butchering.
>
>Damn, i missed that commercial, sounds pretty funny.

It is indeed a silly one, along with the one where Kiro rants about what he's
not.

>
>> Now for the new Pokemon episode.
>>
>> S
>> P
>> O
>> I
>> L
>> E
>> R
>>
>> S
>> P
>> A
>> C
>> E
>>
>> Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon",
>since the
>> basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the
>1950's movie
>> The Defiant Ones.
>
>Eh, it doesnt have the same ring to it, besides, it's too obscure a
>reference for most of the viewers. (Myself included)

You may be right about that. However, how many younger viewers will get the
joke when it comes to the "Magikarp in my pajamas" line in the first of today's
new episodes (The Wacky Watcher)?

>> Loved the bit where Pikachu and Ash run backwards as if they were
>being
>> "rewound".
>>
>> Riff Alert 1: When TR says "Up, up and away", who else had the urge
>to say "In
>> our beautiful balloon"?
>
>Actually, I had the urge to watch a Superman cartoon.
>
>> Animation Goof: Pikachu's brace disappears when he and Meowth crash
>into the
>> ground, with Pikachu landing on Meowth.
>
>First time I saw that ep i didn't catch it, but now I did. Ah,
>animation goofs. Give bored viewers something to look for.

Like the two-beaked Biyomon in the Digimon episode that introduces Etemon.

>> Speaking of Pikachu and Meowth. I definitely enjoyed the concept of
>the two
>> being bound together for two good reasons.
>>
>> 1. It serves as a good comical device for the episode.
>
>You got that right.
>
>> 2. It helps with an idea that first appeared in Island of the Giant
>Pokemon:
>> That it's the human, not the Pokemon, that makes Pokemon evil. This
>is pointed
>> out when Meowth questions whether he and Pikachu would have gotten
>along better
>> if it weren't for the bad first meeting (Viridian City Pokemon
>Center).
>
>Alas, fate had it in for poor Meowth. I felt sorry for Meowth after
>seeing this side of him in the ep.
>
>> Who else thinks that Pikachu's attacking Rhydon through the mouth
>kind of
>> reminds you of Dr. No?
>
>Nope. probably because I havn't seen an episode.

Not Dr. Who, the popular British sci-fi series, Dr. No, the first film in the
James Bond series.

>> Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had
>the urge to
>> say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With Gene
>Rayburn,
>> with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I
>love game
>> shows.)
>
>I was more apt to think of it as the name of a singer than an actor.

I don't get what you mean. I am referring to the musical "Bye Bye, Birdie", and
I was making reference to a person who appeared in the Broadway version of the
show. I think it would have easier to get across, as well as stick with my love
for game shows, if I said "With Paul Lynde."

Joe Klemm

Joe Klemm

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> Just look at the lastest
>> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
>Cardcaptors gets
>> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
>despite the
>> butchering.
>>
>
>Agreed. It's still a lot more sedated than other kid's shows. Less
>screaming and meaningless histrionics, more subtlety. KWB's scheduling
>doesn't help matters. Both Pokemon and CC are aired out of order (and
>in some cases, skipping blocks of eps). Although the next few weeks
>seem more hopeful, as KTLA's site lists episodes in an order resembling
>the originals'.

Also, the first four episodes of the anime (the ones that weren't shown on KWB
so that they can bring Lei to the picture on the first KWB episode) will be out
on video and DVD soon.

>I'm holding out for when Brock comes back later this Fall/Winter. He
>added a lot more to the show than I thought.

Brock will be back sometime in October, when the G/S episodes start on KWB.

Joe Klemm

Leaping Larry Jojo

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Sep 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/16/00
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In article <20000916112259...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:

>
> Also, the first four episodes of the anime (the ones that weren't
shown on KWB
> so that they can bring Lei to the picture on the first KWB episode)
will be out
> on video and DVD soon.
>

Yep. There were 7 episodes that weren't aired, as well as a few blocks
of episodes they skipped. It's not known if they will ever air them (or
dub them), because they haven't decided yet. Though the show has done
pretty well even in episodes where Li has limited screen time (like the
Dash Card).


> >I'm holding out for when Brock comes back later this Fall/Winter. He
> >added a lot more to the show than I thought.
>

> Brock will be back sometime in October, when the G/S episodes start
on KWB.
>

Fun. That's November.

Paul Nolan

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You mean the UK are actually /ahead/ of the US with Pokémon eps?
I saw that ep months ago (and now they're just looping through the whole lot
again and again for some reason)

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>Toge toge priiii! (Boom!) We gotta see that more often. Electrode can
>eat its heart out.

Electrode doesn't have a heart.

-Andrusi &&

Co-founder of the Bomb Ball Bashers
Webmaster of the sparsely updated FBZ, at http://members.aol.com/andyvvv

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>>First time I saw that ep i didn't catch it, but now I did. Ah,
>>animation goofs. Give bored viewers something to look for.
>
>Like the two-beaked Biyomon in the Digimon episode that introduces Etemon.

Or Bumblejumper and the Flying Ghost of Ironhide in the Transformers movie.

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On 17 Sep 2000 14:02:00 GMT, and...@aol.comagnemite (Andrusi is in
love with Tikal) wrote:

->>Toge toge priiii! (Boom!) We gotta see that more often. Electrode
can
->>eat its heart out.
->
->Electrode doesn't have a heart.
->

You beat me to it >:o

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In article <20000916111651...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:
> >wrote:

>
> Like the two-beaked Biyomon in the Digimon episode that introduces Etemon.
>
Cookie Monster: Why do they call this place "Twin Beaks"?

Biyomon: [Looks straight at camera, revealing a twin set of beaks] I don't
know...

Aw, great. Now I'm making Seasame Street references. Not only that, but I'm
griping about it in the same post. Now I REALLY feel stupid.

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are crunchy and tastes good with ketchup."

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Joe Klemm wrote:

> Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
>
> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly becoming

> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at the lastest


> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope Cardcaptors gets
> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show, despite the
> butchering.
>

> Now for the new Pokemon episode.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon", since the
> basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the 1950's movie
> The Defiant Ones.

Shall we go back to the books (as in there were a couple of different ones before
it) where the plot for that movie was taken from instead? The basic idea was used
before that movie and after it. Maybe the first time it was done in a Looney Tunes
cartoon, it could've been considered as having been taken directly from one of
those previous sources. By this time, though, it's just a stock plot for certain
kinds of series. IMHO the title that it was given was better for this episode for
a couple of reasons.

> Animation Goof: Pikachu's brace disappears when he and Meowth crash into the
> ground, with Pikachu landing on Meowth.

This particular goof just about screams "stock footage" to me. The pose there
could have easily been taken out of the animation cels for alot of other episodes.
All they would've needed to do was add another overlay sheet with the ring drawn in
properly. It looks like they did that, then forgot that last overlay sheet.

> Speaking of Pikachu and Meowth. I definitely enjoyed the concept of the two
> being bound together for two good reasons.
>
> 1. It serves as a good comical device for the episode.
>

> 2. It helps with an idea that first appeared in Island of the Giant Pokemon:
> That it's the human, not the Pokemon, that makes Pokemon evil. This is pointed
> out when Meowth questions whether he and Pikachu would have gotten along better
> if it weren't for the bad first meeting (Viridian City Pokemon Center).

This episode showed that Meowth really thinks like a human and almost not at all
like a pokemon.

For one, the Island of the Giant Pokemon citation goes back to what was said in
that episode, a pokemon only does what its master tells it. In here when he
imagines Pikachu joining him, its Pikachu joining him in Team Rocket, not just with
The Boss. While Meowth does show the desire to specifically be with his master
every now and then, here his loyalty is shown extending out indirectly. It seems
more of a human trait since it is loyalty to the whole organization, even if not
everyone in the organization is close to Giovanni, and could therefore be
considered as part of the close social circle. You could also toss in the loyalty
to those that he now considers friends, even if it conflicts with his loyalty to
his master.

Another is when the two pokemon have to decide which direction to go. Even though
its done for comedy, Meowth doesn't react as another pokemon. As a pokemon he
could fight bak against Pikachu with his own attacks, but instead acts like a human
who can't.

> Who else thinks that Pikachu's attacking Rhydon through the mouth kind of
> reminds you of Dr. No?

Actually, at the time I was reminded of that translated manga. Specifically, the
issue with Ash fighting the final part of his battle in the Orange League
championship.

> Togepi used the Metronome attack again today as it stops TR from blasting the
> heroes.

Except for the Pinkin Island episode, Metronome seems to translate invariably into
Explosion in the anime (let's not forget the Clefairys when making this
consideration). It would be alot more interesting if they actually had it do
something different once in a while (James: Why is there suddenly six of the girl
and Togepi?)


Jeff Hauser*
*Sig Sold Seperately


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Joe Klemm wrote:

> >wrote:
> >> Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
> >>
> >> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly
> >becoming
> >> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at the
> >lastest
> >> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
> >Cardcaptors gets
> >> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
> >despite the
> >> butchering.
> >
> >Damn, i missed that commercial, sounds pretty funny.
>

> It is indeed a silly one, along with the one where Kiro rants about what he's
> not.

Is that the one where Kiro bites Li's finger because of the Pikachu crack?

I would have to say that I've found both to be very amusing. Ranks up there among
some of their best commercials they've run so far. They exploit his character well
in these ads, IMHO.

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Leaping Larry Jojo wrote:

> In article <20000915165018...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
> tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:
> > Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
> >
> > Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is quickly
> becoming
> > an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads.
>
> Meilin! Meilin! Meilin!
>
> Looks like she's becoming the Lucy Liu of Saturday mornings. Too bad
> she leaves in 10 episodes (from where we are now). I guess they're
> milking her while she's still around.

Are you kidding?! (sorry, I haven't sen any episodes of Cardcaptor Sakura
and the KWB dub is all I've seen of it so far)

If that is accurate, excuse me for a moment. ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

Meilin's the only one who provides the proper antagonistic balance to the
main character. Li's certainly not interesting enough on his own to
provide the balance that accentuates the complete character of the main
character, as well as his own.

I guess we'll have to do as you say and enjoy her while she's still around.

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Andrusi is in love with Tikal wrote:

> >>First time I saw that ep i didn't catch it, but now I did. Ah,
> >>animation goofs. Give bored viewers something to look for.
> >

> >Like the two-beaked Biyomon in the Digimon episode that introduces Etemon.
>

> Or Bumblejumper and the Flying Ghost of Ironhide in the Transformers movie.

Don't forget Shockwave showing up in that same 3-second shot, while he was back
on Cybertron. (Or did he make a copy of Skywarp's power rectifier chip?).

Newton P. Haights

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Joe Klemm wrote:

<skip>

>Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had the urge
>to
>say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With Gene
>Rayburn,
>with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I love game
>shows.)

Er, correction. I believe what you meant to say here was "With Gene Rayhorn,
with Charles Nelson Rei-chu as understudy."

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Something I`ve always wondered, how did Meowth`s intelligence increse to the
level of a human? I mean, a lot of the pokemon are about as intellignet and
loyal as dogs, like Pika and Bulba. While others are very animalistic and show
no feelings at all. ex. Beedrill, Rhydon, Electabuzz. But Meowth is just as
intelligent as a human.

Raptordx1,

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Actually I did forget. ::watches Optimus Prime's headlights turn round and his
engine grille point at the top, while Cliffjumper and Bumblebee's hands morph
into tires and Arcee is unable to transform because her arms are on backwards::

Juan F. Lara

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In article <20000919152335...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,

Raptordx1 I Proudly Love Susan <rapt...@aol.comimirules> wrote:
> Something I`ve always wondered, how did Meowth`s intelligence increse to the
> level of a human? I mean, a lot of the pokemon are about as intellignet and
> loyal as dogs, like Pika and Bulba.

First, have you seen "Go West, Young Meowth"? That's the origin episode
of Meowth and it explains a lot about what he's all about.
All pokemon can be as intelligent as humans. Eps like "Island of the
Giant Pokemon" and the Pikachu cartoons in the movies show that the pokemon
talk to each other in their own languages and can act like people. But the
society in this cartoon is such that most pokemon don't have to live lives more
complex than that as animals. Wild pokemon societies are very animallike, and
the trained pokemon can get trained and taken care of like pets or livestock.
So they don't need to act like humans as the society discourages them to do
that. Whereas Meowth decided to pattern his own life after humans. So Meowth
has a strong sense of free will and autonomy that most pokemon don't bother to
get. Also, the Chanceys do live like humans, as they have to be nurses.
Also, pokemon seem to be limited in how much they can learn. In "Meowth
Rules" Meowth said that he couldn't learn any new attacks because he learned to
talk instead. That would imply that a pokemon like Pikachu who's learned lots
of attacks can't learn how to talk. So it's a choice between learning attacks
or learning to talk, and this society values attacks a lot more.

- Juan F. Lara
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jfl/intro.html


Leaping Larry Jojo

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In article <39C6CF9A...@mindspring.com>,
Continue <cont...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Leaping Larry Jojo wrote:
>
> > In article <20000915165018...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
> > tna...@aol.com (Joe Klemm) wrote:
> > > Here's my take on today's new episode (America wise) of Pokemon
> > >
> > > Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is
quickly
> > becoming
> > > an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads.
> >
> > Meilin! Meilin! Meilin!
> >
> > Looks like she's becoming the Lucy Liu of Saturday mornings. Too bad
> > she leaves in 10 episodes (from where we are now). I guess they're
> > milking her while she's still around.
>
> Are you kidding?! (sorry, I haven't sen any episodes of Cardcaptor
Sakura
> and the KWB dub is all I've seen of it so far)
>
> If that is accurate, excuse me for a moment. ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!
>
> Meilin's the only one who provides the proper antagonistic balance to
the
> main character.

Oh yeah. Also, WB skipped a lot of the episodes she was in; maybe they
should consider going back and airing them. See, we are at episode 31
in the Japanese coninuity right now, and she appeared in episode 20.
She leaves at around episode 43, though I hear she does come back for a
short while in the second season between episodes 50-60. Confused? I
know.

Li's certainly not interesting enough on his own to
> provide the balance that accentuates the complete character of the
main
> character, as well as his own.
>

He's like Angel in Buffy TVPS (actually, one could say this is Kids
WB's version of Buffy...with less annoying characters >_<). He's
serious to a fault. Though a new student *does* come at around episode
47. But he provides a...different atmosphere from Meilin's. Something
that Sakura is happy about...but not Li.

> I guess we'll have to do as you say and enjoy her while she's still
around.
>

I agree.

Daemon

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Juan F. Lara said...

<snip sociological view of Pokémon>

Good point. I like it.

> Also, pokemon seem to be limited in how much they can learn. In
"Meowth
> Rules" Meowth said that he couldn't learn any new attacks because he
learned to
> talk instead. That would imply that a pokemon like Pikachu who's learned
lots
> of attacks can't learn how to talk. So it's a choice between learning
attacks
> or learning to talk, and this society values attacks a lot more.

I think this particular ruling in the cartoon is based on a parody of the
game, whereby Pokémon can learn only 4 "attacks" at a time before having to
forget one to learn a new one. I would say Pikachu, in this case, has
learnt his maximum 4 attacks (albeit very powerful ones), and as such could
not learn to talk without forgetting one of them.

Not that he would. Meowth's motivations for learning to talk were quite
extreme - even learning to walk on two legs was quite difficult and painful.
In the cartoon, it seems as though learning normal attacks are a natural
thing for Pokémon, not necessarily a choice (with a few exceptions, like the
Ditto who could not transform, etc.). I would say Meowth did something
outside this "natural order" of things by attempting to learn to talk - it
certainly seemed he needed to work very hard at it, moreso I would argue
than a Pokémon generally would to learn an attack. I think the distinction
I'm trying to make is that Pokémon normally "discover" their abilities
rather than learning them (much in the way they also evolve fairly
predictably) and Meowth had to study and copy something outside of a
Meowth's normal range of abilities. I suppose what he did was like a
Rattata trying to learn Metronome or Dragon Rage.

Anyway, I do agree with what you said, just adding my opinion. :)

Daemon
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hiding deadly sharp claws of doom, its cat-like voice, meowing at me,
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Joe Klemm

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>>Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had the urge
>>to
>>say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With Gene
>>Rayburn,
>>with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I love game
>>shows.)
>
>Er, correction. I believe what you meant to say here was "With Gene Rayhorn,
>with Charles Nelson Rei-chu as understudy."

Good pun. How about a Pokemon pun name for Brett Somers?

Joe Klemm

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America is behind Canada in terms of Pokémon eps? You must be kidding!
Bound for Trouble, the episode that had Pikachu cuffed to Meowth, aired in
Canada in May! The latest episode as of this writing (Sep 21, 2000) is the
episode after Ash wins the O-league title but leaves Lapras behind and the
episode before returning to Pallet. The episode number is #309 (after #105
Charizard Chills, which should be the next episode for you Amerks, comes
#301 to #310, the 10 episodes before going to the G/S storyline).

#105: Charizard lets hit by a near-fatal ice beam from a Poliwrath and Ash
must save him. From then on Charizard listens to Ash.
#301: Squirtle lost his fire-fighting pride and tries to beat up a trained
Wartortle at his own game.
#302: The gang is stuck on an island without food and Snorlax's pokéball is
broken. How will they get to the pokémon center?
#303: Ash arrives at the location of the fourth O-league gym, where the
match is a 2-on-2 Texas Tornado Style Match and Ash cannot let either
Charizard or Pikachu get knocked out or he will lose.
#304: Ash and the gang come across a group of Magikarp and a Magikarp
researcher. Team Rocket plans to steal the Magikarp, evolve them, and bring
chaos to the world.
#305: Ash and Tracey are incapacitated when they are hit by Vilepume's Stun
Spore.
#306: Ash arrives at Pummelo Island, where his O-league Championship is to
be held, and it is a 6-on-6 battle with a field change when either finishes
off three pokémon of the other team. However, Snorlax is unable to compete.
#307: Ash looks like his match against Drake will be on the upside, but then
comes Dragonite, who knocks out Charizard, Tauros, and Squirtle, leaving
Pikachu as the last man standing. Can Ash still pull off the win and win a
place in the O-league hall of fame?
#308: Pirates try to hunt down a group of Lapras, which are relatives of
Ash's Lapras.
#309: Ash comes to the island where there is a ferry to Pallet Town, but
finds the island stranded because of an Electrode infestation.
#310: Ash returns to Pallet where he is greeted by an old friend and an old
enemy.

Andrusi is in love with Tikal

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>#309: Ash comes to the island where there is a ferry to Pallet Town, but
>finds the island stranded because of an Electrode infestation.

Enter, they need us. To the Magnemobile!

...Er, sorry, the Magnemobile is on my end of the connection. Let's try this
again. ::bends space-time:: To the Magnemobile!

David Pochron

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"Kelvin Chung" <kel...@home.com> wrote in message
news:B5F01569.17BE%kel...@home.com...

> America is behind Canada in terms of Pokémon eps? You must be kidding!
> Bound for Trouble, the episode that had Pikachu cuffed to Meowth, aired in
> Canada in May! The latest episode as of this writing (Sep 21, 2000) is the
> episode after Ash wins

"Bound for Trouble" was shown because Kids WB was showing the episodes out of
order. Because we've been getting 2 to 3 new episodes a week, we've almost
caught up again. The episode you are currently at will air next week, along
with the return-to-Pallet episode.

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syke108

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> >> Before I begin, I have to say that Kiro (from Cardcaptors) is
quickly
> >becoming
> >> an enjoyable character when it comes to the KWB ads. Just look at
the
> >lastest
> >> one, where tells the MIB that he is not an alien. I sure hope
> >Cardcaptors gets
> >> renewed for next season, because it is indeed an enjoyable show,
> >despite the
> >> butchering.
> >
> >Damn, i missed that commercial, sounds pretty funny.
>
> It is indeed a silly one, along with the one where Kiro rants about
what he's
> not.

I finally saw the commercial about Kero and the MIB. It was ok, but the
MIB/Superman alien commercial was funnier.

> >>
> >> Personally, I would have named the episode "The Defiant Pokemon",
> >since the
> >> basic idea (Pikachu and Meowth bound together) is lifted from the
> >1950's movie
> >> The Defiant Ones.
> >
> >Eh, it doesnt have the same ring to it, besides, it's too obscure a
> >reference for most of the viewers. (Myself included)
>

> You may be right about that. However, how many younger viewers will
get the
> joke when it comes to the "Magikarp in my pajamas" line in the first
of today's
> new episodes (The Wacky Watcher)?
>

"There's a Magikarp in my pajamas. How a Magikarp got in my pajamas
I'll never know."

Hmmm. You got a point there. I had to say it twice before I finally
understood it. Sheesh, talk about your Groucho Marx wannabes.

> >
> >> Animation Goof: Pikachu's brace disappears when he and Meowth crash
> >into the
> >> ground, with Pikachu landing on Meowth.
> >
> >First time I saw that ep i didn't catch it, but now I did. Ah,
> >animation goofs. Give bored viewers something to look for.
>

> Like the two-beaked Biyomon in the Digimon episode that introduces
Etemon.
>

Dangit, now I got something else to watch for carefully.

> >> Who else thinks that Pikachu's attacking Rhydon through the mouth
> >kind of
> >> reminds you of Dr. No?
> >
> >Nope. probably because I havn't seen an episode.
>

> Not Dr. Who, the popular British sci-fi series, Dr. No, the first
film in the
> James Bond series.
>

Doh! Thanks for the heads-up. ok, Dr. No. Well, i didnt see that movie,
so I still didnt notice the reference. Oh well.

> >> Riff Alert 2: When Jessie tells Pidgeot "Bye bye, birdie", who had
> >the urge to
> >> say a person who starred in the play or movie. My example: "With
Gene
> >Rayburn,
> >> with Charles Nelson Reilley as his understudy." (What can I say, I
> >love game
> >> shows.)
> >
> >I was more apt to think of it as the name of a singer than an actor.
>

> I don't get what you mean. I am referring to the musical "Bye Bye,
Birdie", and
> I was making reference to a person who appeared in the Broadway
version of the
> show. I think it would have easier to get across, as well as stick
with my love
> for game shows, if I said "With Paul Lynde."

Ok, you deserve an explanation, so here it is. To me, Bye Bye Birdie
sounded like the name of a song, so I was thinking along the lines
of "Bye Bye Birdie, sung by (insert artist's name here) with
accompaniement by (insert other artist's name here). I guess I better
learn how to expand my sentences.

syke108

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In article <20000917100200...@ng-co1.aol.com>,

and...@aol.comagnemite (Andrusi is in love with Tikal) wrote:
> >Toge toge priiii! (Boom!) We gotta see that more often. Electrode can
> >eat its heart out.

>
> Electrode doesn't have a heart.

Ok, then, Electrode can eat its whatever-keeps-it-alive out. There,
better?

syke108

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In article <kM5z5.2406$L41.1...@homer.alpha.net>,

"David Pochron" <dp...@ticon.net> wrote:
> "Kelvin Chung" <kel...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:B5F01569.17BE%kel...@home.com...
> > America is behind Canada in terms of Pokémon eps? You must be
kidding!
> > Bound for Trouble, the episode that had Pikachu cuffed to Meowth,
aired in
> > Canada in May! The latest episode as of this writing (Sep 21, 2000)
is the
> > episode after Ash wins
>
> "Bound for Trouble" was shown because Kids WB was showing the episodes
out of
> order. Because we've been getting 2 to 3 new episodes a week, we've
almost
> caught up again. The episode you are currently at will air next week,
along
> with the return-to-Pallet episode.
>

And in the episode after that, the long-awaited battle you have/havn't
been wating for: Ash vs. Gary!


Without spoiling anything, I'll just say: I wasn't too impressed.

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