New to NWN: Help me interpret something
Gary Lee
a Fighter (3) and Thief (1) and at the next level I will level the thief
skills. His stats are:
STR 18
DEX 18 (with gaultlets of DEX he is 18)
CON 8
INT 10
WIS 8
CHR 10
The question is this: I understand the bonus' (or penelties) in the column
after the stats, but when I dualed this guy, a red "1" with no plus or minus
showed up in the modifyer column. What does that red "1" mean.
My goal for the character is to be mostly a fighter with enough thief skills
to open most chests and detect and disarm most traps. Nothing else that's
fancy with thieves.
I'm very familiar with BG and BG2, but these 3E rules throw me a bit,
especially with this particular itme.
Thanks for the help.
Gary
Trammel
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If you are more than ONE level different then lowest level gets a
penality... I thinx
(Im new to NWM)
Snuggles the Psycho Shepherd
>
> I have a CG Dwarf Fighter that I Dualed to Thief
> The question is this: I understand the bonus' (or penelties) in the column
> after the stats, but when I dualed this guy, a red "1" with no plus or minus
> showed up in the modifyer column. What does that red "1" mean.
>
> Gary
Something (I couldn't say what) is causing you to suffer a penalty to
that particular stat. It could be that you were bit by a spider and
poisoned or got diseased by a mummy. There should be a red icon to the
left of your character's portrait. (the portrait is in the uppper left
corner of the screen, not the one on the character sheet) If you hold
your cursor over that icon a tool tip should describe what's causing the
penalty (I think).
This is totally unrelated to you're dual-classing. (Unless you've got
something really wacked in your installation)
--
-Snuggles the Psycho Shepherd
Gary Lee
for a thief?Besides, the negative (red "1") came IMMEDIATELY on dualing to
thief. I thought that a thief's skills were totally dependant on DEX, and
with 17 natural plus 1 from the gauntlets I'd think that I'd be ok. I know
my skills are low, but would that cause the negative mark?
Gary
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Snuggles the Psycho Shepherd
> news:3E24B695...@fake-address.com...
> > Gary Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a CG Dwarf Fighter that I Dualed to Thief
> >
> > > The question is this: I understand the bonus' (or penelties) in the
> column
> > > after the stats, but when I dualed this guy, a red "1" with no plus or
> minus
> > > showed up in the modifyer column. What does that red "1" mean.
> > >
> > > Gary
> >
> > Something (I couldn't say what) is causing you to suffer a penalty to
> > that particular stat. It could be that you were bit by a spider and
> > poisoned or got diseased by a mummy. There should be a red icon to the
> > left of your character's portrait. (the portrait is in the uppper left
> > corner of the screen, not the one on the character sheet) If you hold
> > your cursor over that icon a tool tip should describe what's causing the
> > penalty (I think).
> >
> > This is totally unrelated to you're dual-classing. (Unless you've got
> > something really wacked in your installation)
> > --
> > -Snuggles the Psycho Shepherd
>
> Nope. No icon to the left of the portrait. Is one of the other stats too low
> for a thief?Besides, the negative (red "1") came IMMEDIATELY on dualing to
> thief. I thought that a thief's skills were totally dependant on DEX, and
> with 17 natural plus 1 from the gauntlets I'd think that I'd be ok. I know
> my skills are low, but would that cause the negative mark?
>
> Gary
>
Are you wearing some kind of heavy armour? If you are, then your "Max
Dex Bonus" to any dexterity related skill checks is going to be limited
depending on how heavy the armour is.
(Manual pg. 176: Table 9: Armour Stats: Max Dex Bonus)
Also, I meant to clarify earlier: A red 1 (one) is not the same as a -1
(neg. one). A red '1' is still a positive bonus to whatever relavent
skills it affects, it's just that you have other things that should be
pushing it higher than '1' (like your high dex and gauntlets) and
something is pulling it back down (possibly heavy armour).
Gary Lee
He had half-plate on. Duh! I should know from BG that this is a no-no. What
armor would you suggest for a Fighter Thief, or would it be better to lug
around an extra suit of armor for when he wants to use those thieving
skills?
Thanks for helping me get to the bottom of that. With no armor it is a green
"4" with the gauntlets or a white "3" naturally. It makes complete sense to
me now. Thanks!
Gary
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cavebear
>Dex Bonus" to any dexterity related skill checks is going to be limited
>depending on how heavy the armour is.
Nope. The Maximum Dexterity Bonus only affect the DEX bonus to *Armor
Class*, not DEX-based skill checks. The following three skills: Hide,
Move Silently and Parry are subject to the Armor Check Penalty, which
is a completely different number. For the half-plate this guy's
character wears, the Max Dex Bonus is 1, which means he can add only 1
point of DEX to his AC. Of course, since his base AC is 7, and his
normal DEX bonus is only 4, he's not being hurt much. (The heaviest
armor he could wear to get his full DEX bonus would be Scale Mail,
which is base AC 4, so his total AC from armor/DEX would be 8, same as
it is now.)
OTOH, the half-plate has an Armor Check Penalty of -7, so Hide, Move
Silently and Parry skills will all be penalized 7 points.
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cavebear
>armor would you suggest for a Fighter Thief, or would it be better to lug
>around an extra suit of armor for when he wants to use those thieving
>skills?
Since most of your rogue skills will be used to disarm traps and open
locks, don't worry about your armor. Wear armor appropriate to your
fighter class. Your armor choice will only affect Hide, Move Silently
and Parry. If you think you will be using those skills frequently,
carry around some Leather Armor, which has no Armor Check Penalty on
the skills in question.
Snuggles the Psycho Shepherd
Ugh.. I shouldn't have messed that up. <slap> bad advice giver <slap>
Bad! Always check your facts.
Thanks for catching it though, thus preventing the total dissemination
of incorrect information.