Chap 3: Fire Giants Lair - What to do with the Blue Dragon?
Moon Buggy
puzzles me......What do I do with the Blue Dragon which is asking nothing
but food. Should I let him be? or just put him in the spear? Anything
special about it?
Hate to kill an unarmed dragon :D
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diner
just leave him be. you could have killed it, then captured its dead essence
into the little sphere then give it to the red dragon. it takes him down to
"badly wounded." i did that and regretted it but hey it didnt shift my
alignment towards evil so i didn't bother going back to redo it.
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GuppyShark
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>just leave him be. you could have killed it, then captured its dead essence
>into the little sphere then give it to the red dragon. it takes him down to
>"badly wounded." i did that and regretted it but hey it didnt shift my
>alignment towards evil so i didn't bother going back to redo it.
You regretted killing a blue dragon?
Then again, I can't talk, I left the green one alive.
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diner
have no idea.
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Kish
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> well it didn't look evil... are blue dragons supposed to be evil or good? i
> have no idea.
In D&D, evil. All metallic dragons are Good, all chromatic dragons are
Evil.
That said, judging anything by scale color is morally dubious at best.
Memnoch
A blue dragon in that state with almost no mind to begin with could have been
brought up any way. Is there some unbreakable law that says they would have to
be evil? What if it was taken to some local monastery and brought up by monks?
Hong Ooi
Well, if it has no mind to begin with, then killing it is at best putting
it out of its misery, and at worst nothing more serious than killing a fly.
In fact, Klauth says as much if you talk to him.
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Memnoch
wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:45:41 +0100, Memnoch
><mem...@nospamforme.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:57:38 GMT, Kish <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>>>diner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> well it didn't look evil... are blue dragons supposed to be evil or good? i
>>>> have no idea.
>>>
>>>In D&D, evil. All metallic dragons are Good, all chromatic dragons are
>>>Evil.
>>>
>>>That said, judging anything by scale color is morally dubious at best.
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>>A blue dragon in that state with almost no mind to begin with could have been
>>brought up any way. Is there some unbreakable law that says they would have to
>>be evil? What if it was taken to some local monastery and brought up by monks?
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>Well, if it has no mind to begin with, then killing it is at best putting
>it out of its misery, and at worst nothing more serious than killing a fly.
>In fact, Klauth says as much if you talk to him.
No mind is probably inaccurate. More like an adult with a childs mind, a
newborn baby in an adult body. Given time it could probably be just as
intelligent as other dragons, but centuries behind if you see what I mean.
GuppyShark
>>> have no idea.
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>>In D&D, evil. All metallic dragons are Good, all chromatic dragons are
>>Evil.
>>
>>That said, judging anything by scale color is morally dubious at best.
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>A blue dragon in that state with almost no mind to begin with could have been
>brought up any way. Is there some unbreakable law that says they would have to
>be evil? What if it was taken to some local monastery and brought up by monks?
Blue Dragons are evil.
It's their nature. :)
So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
be evil.
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Memnoch
That's just like saying all Indian people run corner shops. ;-)
Matthew Miller
>Blue Dragons are evil.
>It's their nature. :)
>So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
>be evil.
D&D seems to have a weird technical meaning for good and evil, abstract from
actual morality.
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CreeDance
dinner for Klauth, (what am I saying? ) Has anyone tried killing Klauth
without giving him the dead dragon sphere? Is he that tough? I might try it
later with another character.
Caroline
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Dave Slavik
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> I felt bad about killing the blue, but then it was doomed anyway, it was
> dinner for Klauth, (what am I saying? ) Has anyone tried killing Klauth
> without giving him the dead dragon sphere? Is he that tough? I might try
it
> later with another character.
I never touched the blue, but went dancing with Klauth.
My biggest issue was my henchman (Herr Red Tiger) who required me to keep
using my recall stone to heal his dumb ass up.
Finally I just left him dead and showed Mr Klauth how a proper Gwar mosh pit
works.....
Physical damage wasn't that big of an issue, the main worry was the fire
breath attack...
Will
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>Blue Dragons are evil.
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> It's their nature. :)
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> So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
> be evil.
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> Brad "GuppyShark"
This is one of the reasons I have never agreed with the racial alignment
rules. It seems to me that Good and Evil should be learned things not
instinctual. (except in the case of the undead, and in that case there are a
couple of exceptions). And in some cases they could be unlearned (chaotic
good ranger drow for example)
Most DMs that I have had the pleasure of playing with didn't really enforce
this rule.
Memnoch
Agreed. Since we are talking about magical creatures I guess anything goes but
I personally don't believe that a creature widely reported to be Evil by
nature would grow up as such if brought up and taught to respect law and
order.
Matthew Miller
>This is one of the reasons I have never agreed with the racial alignment
>rules. It seems to me that Good and Evil should be learned things not
>instinctual. (except in the case of the undead, and in that case there are a
>couple of exceptions). And in some cases they could be unlearned (chaotic
>good ranger drow for example)
One way to look at it is that Good and Evil (and Law and Chaos) have a
special, technical meaning in D&D -- separate from morality. Few evil people
really think that they're evil -- but hey, Protection from Evil spells still
work against them.
GuppyShark
>>Blue Dragons are evil.
>>It's their nature. :)
>>So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
>>be evil.
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>D&D seems to have a weird technical meaning for good and evil, abstract from
>actual morality.
It's a dragon.
They're not people.
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GuppyShark
>>
>>It's their nature. :)
>>
>>So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
>>be evil.
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>That's just like saying all Indian people run corner shops. ;-)
Or all spiders that can like to weave webs.
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Insane Ranter
Ummmm.. dude the Blue Dragon wouldn't be evil just cause it's a Blue
Dragon...
Why is Drizzt not the standard Drow Alignment??? Or any PC character not
made to be a Race Alignment??
Beancounter
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I understand your point, but..... I have NEVER heard of a good blue, green,
or red dragon in any story. It is accepted that they being not human and
wishy washy, know what they are inherintly and have no qualms about being
evil or good, its simply what they are. Perhaps even has to do with the
God's who have dragon shapes being certain colors (platinum for instance for
good and red I think for evil). Kinda like the angels, at one time they
were one, but now you have either good or bad angels and thats it.
Stef
>D&D seems to have a weird technical meaning for good and evil, abstract
>from actual morality.
It does, and I believe it relates to respect for life, esp PC types of
life (human/elf/etc). In a campaign, a friend was turned into a troll.
He completely lost his understanding for life/death, considering himself
generally immortal and expecting others shared his views. I ruled that
he detected as evil.
stef
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Kish
How do you define "people," then? It's evident that D&D dragons are
quite sapient.
Richard.bacon
"Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Thankyou the nearest explenation ive found is the dracon gods (chromatic=
evil metalic = good) dragons are people if half orks are people and drzt is
a unique individual how many good drow do you know of
GuppyShark
>> >>It's their nature. :)
>> >>So yes, according to D&D rules, your monk-raised blue dragon *would*
>> >>be evil.
>> >
>> >D&D seems to have a weird technical meaning for good and evil, abstract
>from
>> >actual morality.
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>> It's a dragon.
>>
>> They're not people.
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>Ummmm.. dude the Blue Dragon wouldn't be evil just cause it's a Blue
>Dragon...
According to D&D rules, yes, it is.
>Why is Drizzt not the standard Drow Alignment??? Or any PC character not
>made to be a Race Alignment??
PC races can be alignments. Blue Dragons aren't a PC race (anymore).
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GuppyShark
>> >actual morality.
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>> It's a dragon.
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>> They're not people.
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>How do you define "people," then? It's evident that D&D dragons are
>quite sapient.
People = PC races ;)
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Dave Slavik
Goblins are people too!!
P.E.T.G
Memnoch
wrote:
Coming to a T-Shirt near you. :-)
Breadfan
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> >> People = PC races ;)
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> >Goblins are people too!!
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> Coming to a T-Shirt near you. :-)
Right on! That would make a wicked T! }:>
Franklin Bratcher
It would seem to me, at least, that one should look in the 3rd Ed MM, and
check aligment for the dragons. If it says "always <foo alignment>," it
will always be that alignment. However, if it says "usually <foo
alignment>," the creature TENDS to be that alignment, but there can
always be the rare exception to the race. Most PC compatible races in the
MM have that "usually" tag on their alignment. ;O)
Matthew Miller
>It would seem to me, at least, that one should look in the 3rd Ed MM, and
>check aligment for the dragons. If it says "always <foo alignment>," it
>will always be that alignment. However, if it says "usually <foo
Always never means always.