SoU - Paladin can't cast Cantrips?
Neil Turkenkopf
I'm playing a Paladin in SoU, and have reached the Underground Ruins beneath
the Gnoll Caves in the High Forest.
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I'm stumped, because I cannot figure out how to cast "0 Level Spells", or
Cantrips! I've tried resting of course, but can never "learn" them like 1st
Level Spells & up. I've even teleported back to town and purchased Scrolls
with the actual Spells on them, but they all say "useable by
Sorcerer/Wizard/Bard only" and always fail when attempted. I've also tried
giving them to Dorna, but she cannot cast them either. I need to be able to
cast any of these four spells: Flare, Ray of Frost, Acid Splash, or Electric
Jolt.
Does *anyone* know how? I need to cast one of these at any of the 4
Elemental Shrines in order to collect a "token" for the pool by the
entrance. I've already received one token for eliminating all 4 Elementals,
but I still need a second one. I know that the answer is probably so simple,
but I really can't think of anything else at this point and need a hint!
Thanks in advance!
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Neil ━D
Kish
> Hi folks!
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> I'm playing a Paladin in SoU, and have reached the Underground Ruins beneath
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> I'm stumped, because I cannot figure out how to cast "0 Level Spells", or
> Cantrips!
Paladins can't cast cantrips. Look for another way of getting the token.
Neil Turkenkopf
Unfortunately, I'm still unsure of what to do. If the whole Cantrips idea is
out, then what can I do instead?
(I've even tried hurling a few of those new grenade-type items, but no-go.)
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Neil ━D
"Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Xocyll
the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
signs say:
>Hi Kish, and thanks for your quick response!
>Unfortunately, I'm still unsure of what to do. If the whole Cantrips idea is
>out, then what can I do instead?
>(I've even tried hurling a few of those new grenade-type items, but no-go.)
From what I remember I never did manage to get two tokens even casting
cantrips with my sorcerer.
I wouldn't be too upset about it though, since the item you'd get from
using two tokens is a robe with elemental resistance. Not exactly
Paladin-wear. (I used a cheat to load a second token.)
Xocyll
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Patrick Dobson
"Neil Turkenkopf" <NeilTur...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Kish, and thanks for your quick response!
> Unfortunately, I'm still unsure of what to do. If the whole Cantrips idea
is
> out, then what can I do instead?
> (I've even tried hurling a few of those new grenade-type items, but
no-go.)
> --
Not everyone can get two tokens, you only need one to go on. The item from
two is a bonus for spellcasters.
Patrick
Neil Turkenkopf
(I've even tried destroying the shrines, but that only left me a gizmo to
summon Elementals.)
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"Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in message
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Neil Turkenkopf
now open door, I really wanted that robe! <g>
(Is there some reason why a Paladin would -not- benefit from a Robe of
Elemental Resistance?)
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"Patrick Dobson" <pj...@oikumene.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Patrick Dobson
> Thanks, Patrick. Even though I do have one token & can proceed through the
> now open door, I really wanted that robe! <g>
> (Is there some reason why a Paladin would -not- benefit from a Robe of
> Elemental Resistance?)
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Well, it doesn't provide much armour! It's good for Arcane casters as it
doesn't interfere in their spells, but for a paladin, you should really be
wearing the armour from the Elf Tombs at the mo' .
Patrick
PS. It is the convention in this group, and many others, to post a reply
underneath the text of what you are replying to, as it makes it easier to
follow any long-running threads.
Kish
> Thanks, Patrick. Even though I do have one token & can proceed through the
> now open door, I really wanted that robe! <g>
> (Is there some reason why a Paladin would -not- benefit from a Robe of
> Elemental Resistance?)
You have to wear a robe instead of armor. For a sorcerer/wizard, for
whom armor disrupts spellcasting, this is a good trade. For a paladin,
it very rarely is.
Xocyll
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>>"Xocyll" <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote in message
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>>"Neil Turkenkopf" <NeilTur...@comcast.net> looked up from reading
>>the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
>>signs say:
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>>>Hi Kish, and thanks for your quick response!
>>>Unfortunately, I'm still unsure of what to do. If the whole Cantrips idea
>>is
>>>out, then what can I do instead?
>>>(I've even tried hurling a few of those new grenade-type items, but no-go.)
>>
>>From what I remember I never did manage to get two tokens even casting
>>cantrips with my sorcerer.
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>>I wouldn't be too upset about it though, since the item you'd get from
>>using two tokens is a robe with elemental resistance. Not exactly
>>Paladin-wear. (I used a cheat to load a second token.)
>Thanks Xocyll, but I actually -did- want to get that robe!
>(I've even tried destroying the shrines, but that only left me a gizmo to
>summon Elementals.)
OK.
I hadn't thought a PAladin would want it, since you're a predominantly
melee fighter and robes usually have sweet damn all for ac.
You'd have _some_ resistance to elements (it wasn't very high as I
recall) but you'd take a beating from everything that got close to you.
I pretty much stuck with the armor I got from the Elf Tomb until I got
armor with better ac. I'd never have considered wearing a robe.
I don't think my Sorcerer even wore it, it was that unimpressive.
Barry Scott Will
> (Is there some reason why a Paladin would -not- benefit from a Robe of
> Elemental Resistance?)
Several, beginning with the fact you're supposed to be wearing actual
armor, not a robe. You do realize that armor does not interfere with a
paladin's spellcasting abilities, right?
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Neil Turkenkopf
I appreciate all your comments and advice. I'm a little confused though why
you all think it's a choice between either wearing armor or robe, I wear
them both at the same time and enjoy the benefits of each! My only problem
right now is that I cannot get the 2nd token which is needed to actually get
the robe itself. I hope this explains my dilemma a little better. <g>
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Neil ━D
"Barry Scott Will" <nwn**JUNK**@cavecreations.net> wrote in message
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Kish
> Thanks Patrick, Kish, Xocyll & Barry!
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> I appreciate all your comments and advice. I'm a little confused though why
> you all think it's a choice between either wearing armor or robe, I wear
> them both at the same time and enjoy the benefits of each!
Ahhh.
You've gotten "robe" and "cloak" confused, I'm afraid. This isn't a
cloak--it's a robe, which will replace your armor if you put it on. (It
can be worn with a cloak, though...)
Barry Scott Will
> I appreciate all your comments and advice. I'm a little confused though why
> you all think it's a choice between either wearing armor or robe, I wear
> them both at the same time and enjoy the benefits of each!
Ah, the confusion seems to be that you believe when we say "robe" we
mean "cloak". That is not the case. The Robe of Elemental Resistance is
a piece of clothing of AC 0 that is equipped in the armor (chest) slot
on your character. It is not a cloak (also sometimes referred to as
"robes") equipped to your cloak slot. Thus, your paladin will not want
to wear the Robe of Elemental Resistance as it would reduce your AC by
many points (depending on what type of armor you currently wear).
Neil Turkenkopf
You've gotten "robe" and "cloak" confused, I'm afraid. This isn't a
cloak--it's a robe, which will replace your armor if you put it on. (It
can be worn with a cloak, though...)
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Ok, I think I understand my confusion now! <g>
I appreciate all your help!
Thanks again, Kish & Barry!
Neil ━D
John Parkinson
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:19:52 -0500, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote:
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>>From what I remember I never did manage to get two tokens even casting
>>cantrips with my sorcerer.
>>
>>I wouldn't be too upset about it though, since the item you'd get from
>>using two tokens is a robe with elemental resistance. Not exactly
>>Paladin-wear. (I used a cheat to load a second token.)
>
> pedestals *before* you kill the last elemental. I tried going back and
> destroying the pedestals (and did!), but nothing happened. I suspect that the
> code has it written such that:
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> if (numberOfElementalsAlive = 0)
> if (numberOfPedestalsAlive = 0)
> { givePlayer(token);
> givePlayer(token);
> }
> else givePlayer(token);
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> So there is only one time that it checks.
Nope.
I played that part this weekend with my wizard and I got a tocket
after casting a cantrip on one of the pedestals (can't remember which
cantrip/pedestal now) and I got the token immediately and ignored the
other 3 pedestals. Then I got the second token from killing the last
elemental.
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John Parkinson
Hans Wein
> After reviewing online walkthroughs and this thread, I have come to
> the conclusion that my above information is incorrect, as well.
> Apparently you must cast cantrips and *only* cantrips; I used
> higher-level spells and destroyed the pedestals, which I mistook for
> success. I mistakenly interpreted 'cantrip' to be 'spell', and not
> 'cantrip, as in the 0-level spells *only*'. So, a note to you out
> there: use 0 level cantrips. :)
That's correct, every spell of higher level will destroy the pedestal.
> My only other question concerning this issue, then, is this: what
> specific cantrips must one use on what specific pedestals? Do you
> want to *match* the element, or *oppose* the element? One walkthrough
> mentioned using a Flare cantrip on the water pedestal, for example.
> Is this correct? If so, then fire and water are fairly obvious; what
> other spells should one use on pedestals such as air and earth?
As fas as I can see from the scripts, a spell of the opposed element
will give you the token like this:
fire - Ray of Frost
air - Acid Splash
earth - Electric Jolt
water - Flare
A matching spell will destroy the pedestal:
fire - Flare
air - Electric Jolt
earth - Acid Splash
water - Ray of Frost
All other combinations are considered as neutral and does nothing.
> And
> why on earth is there no definitive information in any of the
> walkthroughs or posts online? :P
Perhaps the scripts are too tricky ;-)
HTH
Hans