Accidental killed Dagoth ur
Ajpeetsold
jbcbu...@bellsouth.net
> What can i do about it i need him in the final quest to kill him ????
How did you "accidentally" kill Dagoth Ur? I have killed him but there
was no accident involved.
Bruce
Greg Johnson
wrote:
>What can i do about it i need him in the final quest to kill him ????
Your question makes no sense, as it's not possible to actually kill
him in the game without completing the final quest - his death
triggers the end of it, even if you didn't do the early parts in
order. This has been demonstrated many times by people doing speed
runs.
DeAnn
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:44:52 +0100, "Ajpeetsold" <ajpeets...@orange.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >What can i do about it i need him in the final quest to kill him ????
>
> Your question makes no sense, as it's not possible to actually kill
> him in the game without completing the final quest - his death
> triggers the end of it, even if you didn't do the early parts in
> order. This has been demonstrated many times by people doing speed
> runs.
And for anyone who hasn't seen some of the speedruns, try searching
google videos!
The Horny Goat
wrote:
Actually during one game where I raised my strength to insane heights
by an exploit involving alchemy, I killed Dagoth Ur without doing the
lead-up quests (including gaining Keening and Sunder) and did NOT
trigger the end of game video where at the end of it you get the Ring
of the Nevarine.
Seeing as my main interest in that game was exploring some of the
Tribunal mods I didn't much mind though having 5000 strength for 1000+
seconds kind of broke the game - I was killing nearly everything else
with a single blow while taking 3 or 4 to get Dagoth Ur...but NO cut
sequence involving Azura that's for sure!
Greg Johnson
wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:23:34 +1100, Greg Johnson <greg...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:44:52 +0100, "Ajpeetsold" <ajpee...@orange.nl>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What can i do about it i need him in the final quest to kill him ????
>>
>>Your question makes no sense, as it's not possible to actually kill
>>him in the game without completing the final quest - his death
>>triggers the end of it, even if you didn't do the early parts in
>>order. This has been demonstrated many times by people doing speed
>>runs.
>
>Actually during one game where I raised my strength to insane heights
>by an exploit involving alchemy, I killed Dagoth Ur without doing the
>lead-up quests (including gaining Keening and Sunder) and did NOT
>trigger the end of game video where at the end of it you get the Ring
>of the Nevarine.
That's interesting. I wonder why it happened that way to you (and
presumably the starter of this thread) when I've watched it trigger
properly in several speedrun videos, most of which were abusing
potions for stat gain like you were.
PLG
> What can i do about it i need him in the final quest to kill him ????
I think what you probably mean is that you killed him in the outer
chamber and he disappeared. That's okay, that's supposed to happen!
He's waiting for you inside the next chamber, with a huge half-built
metal monster named Gulakhan, and this time he means business!
This is where you'll need Keening and Sunder, because once he
disappears and reappears inside the final chamber, he's no longer
killable in combat. You have to find some way of using Keening and
Sunder to cut off the source of his godlike powers.
Give Azura my love on the way out. :)
Hope this helps
PLG
Jonathan Ellis
"Greg Johnson" <greg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's quite simple.
"Killing Dagoth Ur" without having destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan doesn't
work.
Narratively: The Heart of Lorkhan could restore him. Not necessarily
immediately, but in a few centuries' time. He'll outlive you, and be back.
The Tribunal will certainly be no stronger, if anything weaker, and in any
case only Vivec is still bothering to actually continue the fight at all.
Mechanically: He has three in-game incarnations, each with a separate
monster-identity.
The first one is encountered in the antechamber, and is a tough but highly
beatable fight. Destroying it, causes the second form to appear inside the
Akulakhan chamber. This much we already know.
The second one is encountered in the Akulakhan chamber. It has a ton of hit
points and insane regenerative abilities - something like, regenerate
several times his already-massive total hit points, per second. It can,
however, be killed if you do enough damage fast enough - however this
requires some kind of exploit. This is what you've done. Killing it,
however, does NOT advance the main quest plot, or count as "finally
defeating Dagoth Ur".
The third form is the one that ONLY appears AFTER destroying the Heart of
Lorkhan. Destroying the second form has nothing to do with it: to cause the
third form to appear, you MUST destroy the Heart with Sunder and Keening.
This will automatically cause his second form to disappear (no matter how
many hit points it has left), and make his third form appear behind you.
It's killing this third and final form - a fairly wimpy fight in fact, by
comparison - that causes the cutscenes to appear.
so if you've "accidentally killed him" by means of an exploit... what you've
"accidentally killed" isn't HIM. As in, it isn't really the third form,
which is all that's left after destroying the Heart of Lorkhan. Go back, get
the quest items, destroy the Heart, and I predict he'll reappear behind you
for you to kill, and killing him will trigger the cutscenes.
Jonathan.
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Michael W. Ryder
Sometimes he has already fallen into the lava and destroying the heart
finishes him off. This is what happened to me the first time through
and I think I have only had to fight him once after destroying the heart.
The Horny Goat
<jle3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>It's quite simple.
>
>"Killing Dagoth Ur" without having destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan doesn't
>work.
I didn't say I killed him without destroying the Heart of Lorkhan - I
said I killed him without using Keening and Sunder. I had both
absurdly enhanced stats (including a healing potion that healed 300
points per second for half an hour) and darned good weapons - but no
Keening or Sunder.
>The first one is encountered in the antechamber, and is a tough but highly
>beatable fight. Destroying it, causes the second form to appear inside the
>Akulakhan chamber. This much we already know.
In the game I referred to above the first one took no more than 2 or 3
swings.
>The second one is encountered in the Akulakhan chamber. It has a ton of hit
>points and insane regenerative abilities - something like, regenerate
>several times his already-massive total hit points, per second. It can,
>however, be killed if you do enough damage fast enough - however this
>requires some kind of exploit. This is what you've done. Killing it,
>however, does NOT advance the main quest plot, or count as "finally
>defeating Dagoth Ur".
>
>The third form is the one that ONLY appears AFTER destroying the Heart of
>Lorkhan. Destroying the second form has nothing to do with it: to cause the
>third form to appear, you MUST destroy the Heart with Sunder and Keening.
>This will automatically cause his second form to disappear (no matter how
>many hit points it has left), and make his third form appear behind you.
>It's killing this third and final form - a fairly wimpy fight in fact, by
>comparison - that causes the cutscenes to appear.
>
>so if you've "accidentally killed him" by means of an exploit... what you've
>"accidentally killed" isn't HIM. As in, it isn't really the third form,
>which is all that's left after destroying the Heart of Lorkhan. Go back, get
>the quest items, destroy the Heart, and I predict he'll reappear behind you
>for you to kill, and killing him will trigger the cutscenes.
Interesting. I never tried to go and get the quest items after killing
Dagoth Ur - I was a LONG way from there in the main quest (IIRC it was
after first visiting the northern nomads camp) Like I say - I hadn't
even been to see Azura yet.
Jonathan Ellis
"The Horny Goat" <lcr...@home.ca> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:02:46 -0000, "Jonathan Ellis"
> <jle3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It's quite simple.
>>
>>"Killing Dagoth Ur" without having destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan doesn't
>>work.
>
> I didn't say I killed him without destroying the Heart of Lorkhan - I
> said I killed him without using Keening and Sunder. I had both
> absurdly enhanced stats (including a healing potion that healed 300
> points per second for half an hour) and darned good weapons - but no
> Keening or Sunder.
It doesn't matter what you hit HIM with. You can use any weapon you like:
all you need to do is reduce whichever incarnation he's appearing in to 0
hit points. (In the case of his "normal but powerful" first form, that's the
one that you knocked over in just a couple of hits, but without potion abuse
it should be difficult but doable: in the case of his "godlike" second form,
this is only possible with the absurdly enhanced stats and potion exploits
that you describe, because he regenerates too fast for "normal" fighting.)
To destroy the Heart, though, you need Keening and Sunder. Which means that
you need to OWN them both if you want to actually "complete the main quest".
Otherwise, you killed his first form easily, and his second form with your
absurdly enhanced stats. But you will never even *meet* his THIRD (and, in
fact, weakest) form, or see the cool graphics of the giant divine-golem
statue falling apart and landing in the lava, or meet Azura for the final
cutscene, UNLESS you destroy the Heart of Lorkhan with Keening and Sunder.
That's the trigger.
PLG
> "Greg Johnson" <greg....@gmail.com> wrote in message...
> Narratively: The Heart of Lorkhan could restore him. Not necessarily
> immediately, but in a few centuries' time. He'll outlive you, and be back.
> The Tribunal will certainly be no stronger, if anything weaker, and in any
> case only Vivec is still bothering to actually continue the fight at all.
About the above point: Has anyone used the console to click on Dagoth
Ur and try the cheat "sethealth 0" to see if the Heart of Lorkhan
revives him straight away? It would fit the story, if it did, because
he gets his immortality from the Heart, supposedly!
PLG